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achorladey:
You know it's FUNNY when you sometimes SAY some should go and do more Sunday school LEARNING. Even if it is not SUNDAY school at least an OPPORTUNITY for them to take second,third look about what is SHOWN. To really see where the DISCUSSION is headed. But BOAST, ARROGANCE, applying LABELS and NAMES will not allow. Zeal to ACCUMULATE religious MEDALS and TROPHY is THEIR GOAL.

As captured in one of the POST above they are still not GRATEFUL enough that YOU bring to their NOTICE about how they are IN CLEAR CONTRADICTION with what the organization they are members of TEACH them. Were you a FELLOW JWs like they are, it will not be out of PLACE to call these ONES apostate like they do on any JWs not in SYNC with whatever they POST.

I believe the lesson was well passed only don't EXPECT GRATITUDE from them. The three post above this clearly TELL the STORY

Everything that occur was termed Vision. Either Moses and Elijah were present in Reality or they are not. One must happen. The article you brought denied any real presence . this is why the article didn't say it was Real, it only try to Convey its not a dream . am.asking you : if the transfiguration was Real, were Moses and Elijah Real ?? Talk guy.

U for tag me when you don bring ya proof say e real nah .

Emusan:
You got it!

Look at the first commenter, he stylishly says my point 1-3 is CORRECT, no wahala.

He went back, to edit it to 1-3 MAYBE CORRECT but unfortunately for him, his fellow deluded brother has quoted the post which won't change.

Shame couldn't let him say boldly that I'm correct, their deluded brother is wrong.

Meanwhile, they are the same people who hide behind keyboard cheering their deluded brother about his lies of reality Vs vision.

There is much in pride, no wonder they took after their father the Devil.

Coming from a Deluded person that said fully human means flesh and bones. Are you not ashamed ?

Janosky:
Your position about horama is correct , on this matter of Jesus transfiguration, no wahala.
Vision is NOT always reality, that fact is OBVIOUS.
My brothers will learn a thing or two therefrom.



However, you unwittingly brought out the ammunition to nail the coffin of your John 1:1,14 FRAUD, the DEMONIC doctrine popular in Christendom.

We now have another strong EVIDENCE that Trinitarian John 1:1,14 is HOGWASH !
LUKE 9:34-35 ..2Peter1:17,18 Yahweh said so.....

34 While he was speaking, a cloud appeared and covered them, and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. 35 A voice came from the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him.”

We now know that Luke 9:35 no dey Emusan Bible.

The Word is NOT God in the flesh.
John 5:37, God did not dwell in the flesh with man.
Luke 9:35. Romans8:3 , YAHWEH says Dump your John1:1,14 Trinitarian Delusion in the Trash can.


the TRUTH remains the TRUTH....


Shalom

Oga , none of your book says transfiguration na real . If its real moses and Elijah are real too, go check that post the article denied any reality of them . learn to differentiate direct statement's and comparisons. The article was speaking in the sense of calling it a dream. As for reality . it denied.


From another of your book , I saw this:

" Although this is a vision, it APPEARS so real "

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1988002#h=6

When you watch some Hollywood movies , some scenes appear so real due to effects BUT They are not Real.

Emusan:
The two of them have been seeking for my attention since, my name is a torn in their flesh.

Fully human = flesh and bones moses and Elijah are spirit beings

U sef dey feel yourself. U still recall Act 12:10 ?

achorladey:
Maximus69: once caught him on another thread where he quoted and even directed the OP to get a soft copy of the Watchtower to answer the sincere question of the OP

Achorladey: The post is still there, the publication I cited is still there, its an AWAKE paapaa. Did I deny citing your PUBLICATION? No. I have done same here too.

Oh you can't even talk about the one ABOVE that kept you mute and made you SOBER considering the numerous TAGS you attached to numerous ones on this particular thread HAHAHAHAHA. I asked bring out MY first RESPONSE to the question on that THREAD on self DEFENSE You cannot, I know you cannot because if you do your IMAGE will be REFLECTED back to you in that mirror. Yet you can SHOUT HYPOCRITE.

Maximus69: That's what convinced me beyond all reasonable doubt that achorladey will not enter God's Kingdom and he's bent on depriving other to enter

Achorladey: You see YOURSELF, for close to TEN pages you join your BROTHERS in saying TRANSFIGURATION is a VISION blah blah blah. Let me give this as a SCENARIO, if that was the CRITERIA for entering into God's KINGDOM which the ORGANIZATION equally teaches, For close to ten pages and considering the numerous following on that THREAD I bet you would have got most of them miss the GOD'S KINGDOM and here am I on the sideline watching it.

The above should CONVINCE you beyond all REASONABLE doubt and not to CONFUSE you who will have entered into God's KINGDOM. Hahahaha. I told you before when ONE talks too much something HAPPENS...........you remember?

Today Achorladey is an ATHEIST, tomorrow APOSTATES and HE DETEST SUBMISSIVENESS hahahahaha the WAY to GOD by SUBMISSION hope you catch the DRIFT. It's your palaver to sort Maximus69 alias I AM THROUGH WITH YOU.

Mumu , transfiguration is real but what you posted Denied any Real presence of individuals in the vision. Do you have sense ? I doubt


Again, if it was Real and They saw with their literal eyes, do you accept Moses and Elijah are physically present ?
.
More is explain Act 12:10 for this thread.

Emusan:
So if God's word declares RUSSELL and his team of Pagan worshippers RIGHTEOUS, why are you giving yourself unnecessary headache? After all the same God's word will declare Trinitarian RIGHTEOUS.

Trinity will make God vex for you . Do you remember what he told Jobs friend?

Job 42:7

" After the LORD had finished speaking to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite: "I am angry with you and your two friends, for you have not spoken the truth about me, "

Trinity is a lie against the Almighty supreme God. You are in deep crisis man.

Janosky:
Rutherford worshipped the God and Father of Jesus Christ, no DECEIVE yourself.

Jehovah is a God of Positive Change, in His Infinite mercies, Emusan was never born with complete set of teeth in his mouth...

Before Noah , Jehovah's servants were not meat eaters. Why ?
Genesis 9:1-4, Jehovah ordered a Change.
Genesis 2:1-24, Jehovah had no arrangement for Jesus Christ coming to earth for man's redemption.
However, after the fall of Man , Jehovah ordered and Engineered the Change...
Do you want more?

MUMU Emusan Pagan pretending to be following Christ wey him no know....
positive CHANGE is constant, no dey DECEIVE yourself

Oga , You dont need to bother yourself , is it written in your Bible that if anyone does not know something is wrong, its not a sin ?

So why are you allowing Mr Fully human is flesh and blood and the so called achorladey to dribble you lol. Those former men didnt know those things like worship to Jesus are wrong. Its not a sin . But the Mumu here who have been shown their wrongs and still arguing are the one to be pitied.


Emusan and achorladey : Do you agree Mary carried God himself with his divine nature in her womb ??

freshboi88:
What language, what's wrong saying I dnt want to argue with u, or telling a kid to keep shut.i c no wrong there boy!

By the way deal with the fact that Russell and his team are idol worshippers who are in hell RIGHT NOW

Mumu ode , Hellfire doesn't exist

That bold will injure u big time if you try to drag it. I wish u will come and drag it. Just try

Peacefullove:
I revisited this thread and saw this . Explain the red part for me : REALITY ?

The funniest part was when it says it doesnt imply unreality, it was making a comparison with a mere dream. And added as though. THE ARTICLE NEVER SAID IT WAS REAL. It only says its not a mere illusion as a dream.


If you dont understand things ask questions.



" Although this is a vision, it APPEARS so real that Peter begins to participate in the scene, "

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1988002


It didn't say its REAL , but appears .

If it was REAL , Moses and Elijah must have been physically present. Deal with it.

Well what can I say other than

Fully Awake NOW, the disciples watch and listen with amazement. Although this is a vision, it appears so real that Peter begins to participate in the scene, saying: “Lord, it is fine for us to be here. If you wish, I will erect three tents here, one for you and one for Moses and one for Elijah.”

How did the same publisher of these materials EXPLAIN VISION in the first material I cited?

FULLY AWAKE In the same reference you provided. The reference I provided also captures.....for they [b]WERE FULLY AWAKE when WITNESSING the TRANSFIGURATION. With their LITERAL EYES and EARS they actually SAW and HEARD what took PLACE at that TIME. —[/b]Lu 9:32.

You now want me to go in CIRCLES with you on meaning of REALITY. I was wondering what were you and Emusan doing concerning that previously. Even your friends accepted when shown what the ORGANIZATION teaches about the TRANSFIGURATION is REALITY.

Peacefullove:
Everything that occur was termed Vision. Either Moses and Elijah were present in Reality or they are not. One must happen. The article you brought denied any real presence . this is why the article didn't say it was Real, it only try to Convey its not a dream . am.asking you : if the transfiguration was Real, were Moses and Elijah Real ?? Talk guy.

U for tag me when you don bring ya proof say e real nah .

does not imply UNREALITY, as though the OBSERVERS were laboring under a DELUSION. Nor were they insensible to what occurred, for they WERE FULLY AWAKE when WITNESSING the TRANSFIGURATION. With their LITERAL EYES and EARS they actually SAW and HEARD what took PLACE at that TIME. —Lu 9:32.

What is the opposite of UNREALITY. Hahahahahaha.

I tag you I no tag, you reply. What's the DIFFERENCE.

According to you EVERYTHING THAT OCCUR WAS TERMED VISION why was the material also saying this

The Greek word used for “VISION” at Matthew 17:9 is HOʹRA·MA, also rendered “SIGHT.” (Ac 7:31) It does not imply UNREALITY, as though the OBSERVERS were laboring under a DELUSION. Nor were they INSENSIBLE to what occurred, for they WERE FULLY AWAKE when WITNESSING the TRANSFIGURATION. With their LITERAL EYES [/b]and [b]EARS they actually SAW and HEARD what took PLACE at that TIME.​—Lu 9:32.

Do you understand the above at all?

The material said the same VISION used there is TERMED SIGHT not to be seen as UNREALITY.

What is opposite of UNREALITY? Come back and say the material SAY EVERYTHING that occur is VISION. hahahahaha.

Peacefullove:
Mumu , transfiguration is real but what you posted Denied any Real presence of individuals in the vision. Do you have sense ? I doubt


Again, if it was Real and They saw with their literal eyes, do you accept Moses and Elijah are physically present ?
.
More is explain Act 12:10 for this thread.

Grandmaster of MUMU DETECTOR and sense detector you have diagnosed accordingly and found out that I be MUMU and doubt my SENSES.

I don't owe YOU an EXPLANATION for the above simply because you don't even BELIEVE I have sense at all.

The IRONY of it all is you made mention of me 5 times with your AGITATION written all over the post.

Oga water don pass Garri. Your friends KEPT mute when shown these reference materials. You can continue the discussion with then as for me and you I DON'T HAVE SENSE. HAHAHAHAHA

Peacefullove:
Oga , You dont need to bother yourself , is it written in your Bible that if anyone does not know something is wrong, its not a sin ?

So why are you allowing Mr Fully human is flesh and blood and the so called achorladey to dribble you lol. Those former men didnt know those things like worship to Jesus are wrong. Its not a sin . But the Mumu here who have been shown their wrongs and still arguing are the one to be pitied.


Emusan and achorladey : Do you agree Mary carried God himself with his divine nature in her womb ??

HAHAHAHAHA the reason Emusan said Matthew 4:10 was written after Russell DIED. and considering RUSSELL was inspired how come he missed that

Peacefullove:
Mumu ode , Hellfire doesn't exist

That bold will injure u big time if you try to drag it. I wish u will come and drag it. Just try

Hehehe.......I will teach u on hellfire if u ansa this question

Where is Russell the founder of JW?.... Heaven or in the grave?

achorladey:
HAHAHAHAHA the reason Emusan said Matthew 4:10 was written after Russell DIED. and considering RUSSELL was inspired how come he missed that

Hahaha peacefullove nah MUMU ah swear!!!! So Russell who was divinely inspired made a mistake of worshipping Jesus. If he was truly inspired, isn't it obvious he was inspired by the Spirit to worship Jesus?

It also means that modern day JWs are not divinely inspired

achorladey:
does not imply UNREALITY, as though the OBSERVERS were laboring under a DELUSION. Nor were they insensible to what occurred, for they WERE FULLY AWAKE when WITNESSING the TRANSFIGURATION. With their LITERAL EYES and EARS they actually SAW and HEARD what took PLACE at that TIME. —Lu 9:32.

What is the opposite of UNREALITY. Hahahahahaha.

I tag you I no tag, you reply. What's the DIFFERENCE.

According to you EVERYTHING THAT OCCUR WAS TERMED VISION why was the material also saying this

The Greek word used for “VISION” at Matthew 17:9 is HOʹRA·MA, also rendered “SIGHT.” (Ac 7:31) It does not imply UNREALITY, as though the OBSERVERS were laboring under a DELUSION. Nor were they INSENSIBLE to what occurred, for they WERE FULLY AWAKE when WITNESSING the TRANSFIGURATION. With their LITERAL EYES [/b]and [b]EARS they actually SAW and HEARD what took PLACE at that TIME.​—Lu 9:32.

Do you understand the above at all?

The material said the same VISION used there is TERMED SIGHT not to be seen as UNREALITY.

What is opposite of UNREALITY? Come back and say the material SAY EVERYTHING that occur is VISION. hahahahaha.

You dont understand yourself.
Okay, So According to the article Moses and Elijah are REAL ??

achorladey:
Grandmaster of MUMU DETECTOR and sense detector you have diagnosed accordingly and found out that I be MUMU and doubt my SENSES.

I don't owe YOU an EXPLANATION for the above simply because you don't even BELIEVE I have sense at all.

The IRONY of it all is you made mention of me 5 times with your AGITATION written all over the post.

Oga water don pass Garri. Your friends KEPT mute when shown these reference materials. You can continue the discussion with then as for me and you I DON'T HAVE SENSE. HAHAHAHAHA

At least you accept you dont have sense .. Good move. You term the event Real, But you ain't ready to admit Moses and Elijah must be present in REALITY as well. Something is doing your head.

freshboi88:
Hehehe.......I will teach u on hellfire if u ansa this question

Where is Russell the founder of JW?.... Heaven or in the grave?

You go cry o . Your first statement was Russell is in hellfire right now. Based on this ... I have a question.

What is in hell

A) Rusells body

B) Russell's body and Soul

C) Rusells Soul.


Let us begin.

achorladey:
Well what can I say other than

Fully Awake NOW, the disciples watch and listen with amazement. Although this is a vision, it appears so real that Peter begins to participate in the scene, saying: “Lord, it is fine for us to be here. If you wish, I will erect three tents here, one for you and one for Moses and one for Elijah.”

How did the same publisher of these materials EXPLAIN VISION in the first material I cited?

FULLY AWAKE In the same reference you provided. The reference I provided also captures.....for they [b]WERE FULLY AWAKE when WITNESSING the TRANSFIGURATION. With their LITERAL EYES and EARS they actually SAW and HEARD what took PLACE at that TIME. —[/b]Lu 9:32.

You now want me to go in CIRCLES with you on meaning of REALITY. I was wondering what were you and Emusan doing concerning that previously. Even your friends accepted when shown what the ORGANIZATION teaches about the TRANSFIGURATION is REALITY.

Question : Does that article Accept Moses and Elijah were present in REALITY ? Let us check your brain cells.

Peacefullove:
Oga , You dont need to bother yourself , is it written in your Bible that if anyone does not know something is wrong, its not a sin ?

So why are you allowing Mr Fully human is flesh and blood and the so called achorladey to dribble you lol. Those former men didnt know those things like worship to Jesus are wrong. Its not a sin . But the Mumu here who have been shown their wrongs and still arguing are the one to be pitied.


Emusan and achorladey : Do you agree Mary carried God himself with his divine nature in her womb ??

This deluded one is back, just see how my posts are causing severe pains on you....

Imagine, even jump like a kangaroo into what doesn't concern you and spew thrash.

According to you "Those former men didnt know those things like worship to Jesus are wrong. Its not a sin."

1. So how did people now know that worshipping and reverence Jesus is wrong?

2. Do you then also agree that people before Russell who worshipped and reverend Jesus Christ weren't wrong either nor commit sin? Which then makes all of them to be part of the heavenly ones.

freshboi88:
Hahaha peacefullove nah MUMU ah swear!!!! So Russell who was divinely inspired made a mistake of worshipping Jesus. If he was truly inspired, isn't it obvious he was inspired by the Spirit to worship Jesus?

It also means that modern day JWs are not divinely inspired

The most astonished part is that...

Russell did not only claim to be inspired but claim to be the VERY MOUTHPIECE of Jehovah.

Just imagine the very mouthpiece of Jehovah is still ignorance of what were written in the Bible.

It's either Russell lied that he was inspired and be the very mouthpiece of Jehovah or the inspiration is true which is what Jehovah wants, which is worshipping and reverence Jesus Christ is correct.

Then it means it's today's JWs who are actually teaching wrong doctrines.

Peacefullove:
Question : Does that article Accept Moses and Elijah were present in REALITY ? Let us check your brain cells.

You still dey ask MUMU QUESTION. .

But you the GRAND MASTER of the committee of MUMUS can check the MUMU Brain cells to get the needed RESPONSE you don't need to Ask ME. . After all power dey your hand as GRAND MASTER of the MUMUS.

Asking me were MOSES and ELIJAH PRESENT in REALITY when you can check the MUMU brain cells. Please after you are DONE checking feel free to communicate your RESPONSE.

Peacefullove:
You go cry o . Your first statement was Russell is in hellfire right now. Based on this ... I have a question.

What is in hell

A) Rusells body

B) Russell's body and Soul

C) Rusells Soul.


Let us begin.

Peacefullove please let us be truthful, this your questions are not Peaceful o!

Peacefullove:
At least you accept you dont have sense .. Good move. You term the event Real, But you ain't ready to admit Moses and Elijah must be present in REALITY as well. Something is doing your head.

Peacefullove: At least you accept you dont have sense.

Achorladey: At least I know my NONSENSE and NO SENSE is drawing your ATTENTION and AGITATION. How do you think people will VIEW someone conversing with an INDIVIDUAL with no SENSE? Perhaps you are able to RELATE with me because we SHARE something in common which is MUMU. You being the GRANDMASTER.

Well what do I KNOW according to Peacefullove I don't have SENSE

Peacefullove:
You dont understand yourself.
Okay, So According to the article Moses and Elijah are REAL ??

Peacefullove: You dont understand yourself.

Achorladey: How can MUMU UNDERSTAND ONESELF.

Peacefullove: So According to the article Moses and Elijah are REAL?

Achorladey: when you are DONE asking MUMU QUESTION you will go and check MUMU BRAIN with NO SENSE to seek the answer up there.

Peacefullove:
You go cry o . Your first statement was Russell is in hellfire right now. Based on this ... I have a question.

What is in hell

A) Rusells body

B) Russell's body and Soul

C) Rusells Soul.


Let us begin.

C this mumu u think I'll follow u into this merry go round......I asked u a question, u no ansa come dey ask me jamb question. Ansa my question fest ode

Maximus69:
Peacefullove please let us be truthful, this your questions are not Peaceful o!

Just as my response isn't peaceful as well

Emusan:
The most astonished part is that...

Russell did not only claim to be inspired but claim to be the VERY MOUTHPIECE of Jehovah.

Just imagine the very mouthpiece of Jehovah is still ignorance of what were written in the Bible.

It's either Russell lied that he was inspired and be the very mouthpiece of Jehovah or the inspiration is true which is what Jehovah wants, which is worshipping and reverence Jesus Christ is correct.

Then it means it's today's JWs who are actually teaching wrong doctrines.

Dnt mind these deluded fellows...they are sick on the mind

achorladey:
Peacefullove: You dont understand yourself.

Achorladey: How can MUMU UNDERSTAND ONESELF.

Peacefullove: So According to the article Moses and Elijah are REAL?

Achorladey: when you are DONE asking MUMU QUESTION you will go and check MUMU BRAIN with NO SENSE to seek the answer up there.

Hahahaha.....u kill am, peacefullove when three people call u MUMU.....no be coincidence o

freshboi88:
C this mumu u think I'll follow u into this merry go round......I asked u a question, u no ansa come dey ask me jamb question. Ansa my question fest ode

Abegi no mind Peacefullove jare!

His questions are not Peaceful in anyway!

Peacefullove dey dodge Emusan. E wan run comot for that Russell matter...oboy go defend yasef

Maximus69:
Abegi no mind Peacefullove jare!

His questions are not Peaceful in anyway!

U that has not been able to absorb Russell from idol worshipping is here talking trash.... I weep for u

freshboi88:
Just as my response isn't peaceful as well

Only a Bible believer can dismantle those three questions PEACEFULLY!

Hell is the common grave that all humans spends their eternity Ecclesiastes 9:5-6

Body is your physic that's visible to everyone!

Soul is your inner person documenting all what you know!

Spirit is the life force that's sustaining your breath!

At death the body gradually decay, the soul becomes useless since it's none functional apart from the body and the life force seizes!

The only hope of life again rest on the one who gave Adam (man) the breath of life in the first place! Psalms 146:4 compare to Genesis 2:7

But it will become a thug of war when you don't have scriptural backings to explain your beliefs!