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freshboi88:
So was Russell an idol worshipper?

NO!

So far himself and his team kept digging in the scriptures in order to fully grasp God's word and make amendments to improve in the way they will offer sacred service to God! Proverbs 2:1-5
God's word proved that they're weren't IDOL WORSHIPERS Sir!

freshboi88:
Hahahaha...c dem so anxious to derail this thread into am hellfire arguement because they know they have lost this 1

You and your cohorts have gone round and round to the extent of bringing in different topics on this same thread all in a bid to establish TRINITY that never appeared anywhere in the 1189 chapters and 31,200 verses of the Bible!

Don't forget Sir, the title of your thread was and still is

Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus?

Is Russell an idol worshipper

Russell slept in the year 1916 Sir, so presently he is no more visibly here. But if you mean whether he WAS an Idol worshiper, Jesus have something to say~
By their FRUIT you will know them, a good tree doesn't produce routine fruit, and a bag tree will never produce fine fruit. Matthew 7:15-20

Before Russell's time only five to six orthodox Churches were rivalries claiming Christians.
During and after Russell many religious groups emerged all claiming Christians

Today over 100 years after Russell, for you to have singled out only Jehovah's Witnesses for questioning in the midst of over 41,000 religious groups all claiming Christians and bringing up Russell's issue is enough proof that Russell's work still lives and Jesus have chosen Russell's group to be the light and the salt! Matthew 5:14-16

Maximus69:
You and your cohorts have gone round and round to the extent of bringing in different topics on this same thread all in a bid to establish TRINITY that never appeared anywhere in the 1189 chapters and 31,200 verses of the Bible!

Don't forget Sir, the title of your thread was and still is

Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus?

Russell slept in the year 1916 Sir, so presently he is no more visibly here. But if you mean whether he WAS an Idol worshiper, Jesus have something to say~
By their FRUIT you will know them, a good tree doesn't produce routine fruit, and a bag tree will never produce fine fruit. Matthew 7:15-20

Before Russell's time only five to six orthodox Churches were rivalries claiming Christians.
During and after Russell many religious groups emerged all claiming Christians

Today over 100 years after Russell, for you to have singled out only Jehovah's Witnesses for questioning in the midst of over 41,000 religious groups all claiming Christians and bringing up Russell's issue is enough proof that Russell's work still lives and Jesus have chosen Russell's group to be the light and the salt! Matthew 5:14-16

U didn't answer the question Mr. dnt be silly

Maximus69:
NO!

So far himself and his team kept digging in the scriptures in order to fully grasp God's word and make amendments to improve in the way they will offer sacred service to God! Proverbs 2:1-5
God's word proved that they're weren't IDOL WORSHIPERS Sir!

But he worshipped Jesus. Him worshipping Jesus, doesn't that make him an idol worshipper?

Peacefullove:
Why are you scared

Let me go straight to the point. You said Russell is in hellfire RIGHT NOW

According to Jesus anyone In hell goes with their body .

" It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your WHOLE BODY to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble,(B) cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell. " Matt 5 vs 29,30


Do you agree with this ? So why was Russell body buried if he is in hellfire right now ? Isn't his body supposed to be thrown into hell ? Or was Jesus lying ?

Until u answer my question on where Russell, u r only fooling urself

Peacefullove:
The only form visible to human eyes is Flesh and blood , For them to appear as human, means Resurrection has occurred . You Lied!!!

When the angel Gabriel appeared to Mary in what form did he appear?

Peacefullove:
Grow some sense , nowhere does record says the man Believe Jesus is God .

Idol worshipper is anyone that worship anything else except God, going by this logic - Jesus also sanctions idol worship when he ask humans to accept worship in Revelation 3 vs 9 , does that make him supporter of Idol worship ?

" Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. "

Jesus making humans accept worship, isn't this idolatry ?

Hypocrite..

So what about Christians who worship Jesus, are they idolaters

freshboi88:
U didn't answer the question Mr. dnt be silly

Good morning!

You may soothe yourself Sir!

Nobody can stop anybody from practicing his religion anymore!

There is FREEDOM of expression, speech and worship now, so go and worship your God no wahala!

freshboi88:
But he worshipped Jesus. Him worshipping Jesus, doesn't that make him an idol worshipper?

Go and worship whatever you want Sir!

Jehovah's Witnesses won't stop you neither can you stop us, it's a free world now.

So far we both agreed that our Gods differs, no wahala!

Mumu dey fear ... U know That verse go wound you

freshboi88:
Until u answer my question on where Russell, u r only fooling urself

You said the below

freshboi88
By the way deal with the fact that Russell and his team are idol worshippers who are in hell RIGHT NOW [/color]

Since am assuming you are correct , According to Jesus those in hell right now should be there with there bodies, But Russell body was buried , which means he isn't in any hell. Can you see you are a LIaR ?

I just want you to know your statement was a lie.

Maximus69:
Go and worship whatever you want Sir!

Jehovah's Witnesses won't stop you neither can you stop us, it's a free world now.

So far we both agreed that our Gods differs, no wahala!

But Russell who was divinely inspired and Gods mouth piece Worshipped Jesus. The Holy Spirit must have instructed him to do so. Or was the Holy Spirit wrong at that time?

Maximus69:
Good morning!

You may soothe yourself Sir!

Nobody can stop anybody from practicing his religion anymore!

There is FREEDOM of expression, speech and worship now, so go and worship your God no wahala!

Maximus69 answer my question, was the Holy Spirit wrong when he inspired Russell to worship Jesus

freshboi88:
But Russell who was divinely inspired and Gods mouth piece Worshipped Jesus. The Holy Spirit must have instructed him to do so. Or was the Holy Spirit wrong at that time?

KJV also use worship for humans Do you accept KJV is idolatrous ?

freshboi88:
Maximus69 answer my question, was the Holy Spirit wrong when he inspired Russell to worship Jesus

Holy spirit is not he , have corrected you earlier. U mean he impregnated Mary ??

Maximus69:
Go and worship whatever you want Sir!

Jehovah's Witnesses won't stop you neither can you stop us, it's a free world now.

So far we both agreed that our Gods differs, no wahala!

You both agreed that our God differs?how?are you people bringing polytheism to Christianity just because of an unending arguments?Or are you saying JW God differs from the the God other Christians worship?i don't understand you anymore

Peacefullove:
Holy spirit is not he , have corrected you earlier. U mean he impregnated Mary ??

John 14:26, “the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, [b]he [/b]will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

U know more than the God that referred to him as he..... hahahaha peacefullove claims to know more than Jehovah.

Now back to the question, was the Holy Spirit wrong inspiring Russell to worship Jesus?

Peacefullove:
KJV also use worship for humans Do you accept KJV is idolatrous ?

Trash ansa my question....was the Holy Spirit wrong in inspiring Russell to worship Jesus?

He dey deflect the question...if u hve mind give a str8 ansa

Peacefullove:
Mumu dey fear ... U know That verse go wound you



You said the below




Since am assuming you are correct , According to Jesus those in hell right now should be there with there bodies, But Russell body was buried , which means he isn't in any hell. Can you see you are a LIaR ?

I just want you to know your statement was a lie.

MUMU I no fear to answer, I just smart pass u

Hahaha...u go kill yasef o.....c wetin my question dey do u....

Was the Holy Spirit wrong in inspiring Russell to worship Jesus?.....wait o e b like say u dey fear to answer this question

Peacefullove:
No rebuttal. Remain silent.

That one is a MUMU and dont have sense means you can keep them SHUT

Jesus CLEARLY support IDOLATRY alias Peacefullove

Peacefullove:
Fully human is flesh and bones ... Sorry , i know that thing still dey pain una. Mr Moses and Elijah are spirit beings

When he didn't know what to say again....

Further Research shows the word worship was misused by Many translations, We have Daniel and David accepting worship , Revelation 3:9 is also another record. Whereas Jesus himself worship someone.

This was my question..

So how did people now know that worshipping and reverence Jesus is wrong?

But even if the word was misused, DID ANYBODY EVER TEACH THAT David and Daniel should be worshipped and reverend? The way Russell and His team openly teached that Jesus should be worshipped and reverend.

So what is the importance of Russell being INSPIRED BY GOD, if he still went ahead to follow the same MISUSED INTERPRETATION?

This is delusion. The man isn't a Trinitarian

What made you think he his didnt use of worship for Jesus , in isn't the same sense KJV applied it to OTHER humans? Does that make the humans Almighty for accepting worship? Does this man believe Jesus is the Almighty God ?

You're still grasping for air to lie more!

He isn't a Trinitarian but polytheist.

The OTHER HUMAN were not commanded to be WORSHIPPED just as Jesus was commanded to be worshipped.

This is the basis of Russell for teaching the worship and reverence of Jesus Christ. Which is the same form of worship given to the true God.

Russell holds the DOCTRINE OF PRAYING TO JESUS Christ!

Let me put it for you the way Russell himself put it so that your dull skull can be reset.

"Question. The fact that our Lord received worship is claimed by some to be an evidence that while on earth he was God the Father disguised in a body of flesh and not really a man. Was he really worshiped, or is the translation faulty? Answer. Yes, we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshiped, and properly so. It was proper for our Lord to receive worship in view of his having been the only begotten of the Father and his agent in the creation of all things, including man." Zion's Watch Tower 1898 Jul 15 p.216

From here, Russell himself didn't see any wrong FAULTY TRANSLATION but you concluded on his behalf that there's a problem in the translation.

Lastly, the same Russell you're fighting tooth and nail for here, also believed that DIVINITY WAS HIDDEN IN THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST.

Well you can continue to dwell in your delusions!

Maximus69:
Good morning!

You may soothe yourself Sir!

Nobody can stop anybody from practicing his religion anymore!

There is FREEDOM of expression, speech and worship now, so go and worship your God no wahala!

He will come back and call SOME are GOATS. Yet there is freedom of worship and these people don't worship THEIR GOD.

See as you're competing JESUS with those that don't worship your GOD. I believe that Jesus must be RELATED to your GOD

Is your friend Peacefullove a GOAT? I know he is not your brother.

Rozz:
You both agreed that our God differs?how?are you people bringing polytheism to Christianity just because of an unending arguments?Or are you saying JW God differs from the the God other Christians worship?i don't understand you anymore

Their GOD differs yet they KEEP dragging JESUS with those JWs call CHRISTENDOM. This Jesus MUST be related to their GOD too.

The question is this JESUS RELATED to their GOD?

That's by the way, Maximus69 don't believe they should attach the name CHRISTIAN to JWS. He believe that name has been ABUSED BASTARDIZED and degraded so much that they had to bring up another name called JWS(Rutherford). The reason he can easily say Christians don't worship THEIR GOD. Because in a way he feels they are JWS are not CHRISTIANS. Maximus69 will explain better should you seek clarification further.

Emusan:
When he didn't know what to say again....



This was my question..

So how did people now know that worshipping and reverence Jesus is wrong?

But even if the word was misused, DID ANYBODY EVER TEACH THAT David and Daniel should be worshipped and reverend? The way Russell and His team openly teached that Jesus should be worshipped and reverend.

So what is the importance of Russell being INSPIRED BY GOD, if he still went ahead to follow the same MISUSED INTERPRETATION?



You're still grasping for air to lie more!

He isn't a Trinitarian but polytheist.

The OTHER HUMAN were not commanded to be WORSHIPPED just as Jesus was commanded to be worshipped.

This is the basis of Russell for teaching the worship and reverence of Jesus Christ. Which is the same form of worship given to the true God.

Russell holds the DOCTRINE OF PRAYING TO JESUS Christ!

Let me put it for you the way Russell himself put it so that your dull skull can be reset.

"Question. The fact that our Lord received worship is claimed by some to be an evidence that while on earth he was God the Father disguised in a body of flesh and not really a man. Was he really worshiped, or is the translation faulty? Answer. Yes, we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshiped, and properly so. It was proper for our Lord to receive worship in view of his having been the only begotten of the Father and his agent in the creation of all things, including man." Zion's Watch Tower 1898 Jul 15 p.216

From here, Russell himself didn't see any wrong FAULTY TRANSLATION but you concluded on his behalf that there's a problem in the translation.

Lastly, the same Russell you're fighting tooth and nail for here, also believed that DIVINITY WAS HIDDEN IN THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST.

Well you can continue to dwell in your delusions!

Peacefullove will comeback and tell us there is need to check our BRAIN CELLS for REPAIRS. Peacefullove alias MUMU detector alias JESUS CLEARLY SUPPORT IDOLATRY

freshboi88:
Maximus69 answer my question, was the Holy Spirit wrong when he inspired Russell to worship Jesus

According to what the Organization teaches, the Governing Body is NOT inspired in anyway Sir!

They only devote their time to diligent study of God's word, that's why God is using his holy spirit to direct them to things they need to know in the scriptures NOT inspiring them like Bible writers who penned down the things we are all studying today!

Peacefullove:
Stop barking

To be physically present in human body, they need Ressurection from dead . has ressurection occurred when Jesus himself is yet to die ?

When you show us the bible passage that said they where not present physically or nobody saw them we will start talking. Till then you are still assuming and trying to propagate a lie based on your own assumption and not what is written in the bible

Rozz:
You both agreed that our God differs?how?are you people bringing polytheism to Christianity just because of an unending arguments?Or are you saying JW God differs from the the God other Christians worship?i don't understand you anymore

My dear young lady, Our own God Jehovah is not a God of confusion but of PEACE! 1Corinthians 14:33

Wherever we see confusion we are 100% certain that Jehovah can't be in such a place or gathering.

Before this organization was formed, the first pioneers of the group tried to find out why there is no PEACE in the churches of Christendom.

Rozz, you are from a family and i'm sure that there is nobody on this planet that can make you carry weapons against your family member if you're not at loggerheads with your brother. But churches of Christendom failed woefully in this regard, members of Deeperlife Bible Church will carry weapons and shoot one another at the order of Racist Politicians, whereas this people will claim they are followers of the Prince of Peace!

After getting to the root of all these mishaps, Jehovah's Witnesses discovered that Satan is the one blindfolding them into thinking they belong to Christ when truly speaking they belong to the world that is under Satan's control! 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19

Jesus told the Jewish religionists of his times who refused to accept his wise counsel to figure out how Satan has gain total control of the Jewish religious system: "you are of your father the devil and you wish to do the will of your father, that one was a murderer from the beginning and a liar, when he lies he does so from his own minds, he is a liar and the father of lie" John 8:44

Clearly Jesus made us understand that those murderous religionists are not worshipers of his own God as they're claiming!

If these misinformed Churchgoers are not worshipers of Satan the murderer, why can't they stop all their members from using physical weapons? Matthew 26:52

Who exactly do they want to kill?

Who are their enemies, when Jesus asked us to pray for our own enemies instead of cursing them? Matthew 5:43-48

And if they're not worshipers of a lying God, why is it that they're all having contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines leading to fierce opposition amongst them over rules of conduct?


NO! My dear young lady, the God this people are worshiping is certainly not our own JEHOVAH who sent Jesus (the Prince of Peace) to unite his own worshipers as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! John 17:20-23

God bless you!

Maximus69:
According to what the Organization teaches, the Governing Body is NOT inspired in anyway Sir!

They only devote their time to diligent study of God's word, that's why God is using his holy spirit to direct them to things they need to know in the scriptures NOT inspiring them like Bible writers who penned down the things we are all studying today!

If they are not inspired, it means they are using human wisdom to teach people, then we can ask!

Can they make any mistakes or teach any wrong doctrines?

If though, the demonic organization claimed in many places that God is directing them...

Only a fool will believe God is directing someone and the person isn't inspired.

Emusan:
If they are not inspired, it means they are using human wisdom to teach people, then we can ask!

Can they make any mistakes or teach any wrong doctrines?

If though, the demonic organization claimed in many places that God is directing them...

Only a fool will believe God is directing someone and the person isn't inspired.

Of course they can make mistakes because they are imperfect humans just like the first century Christians also made mistakes!

So it's the fruits they're able to bear that's attracting honest hearted people to the Organization Sir!

The difference between you people and adherents of Jehovah's Witnesses Organization is that you people choose any of the churches that soothes your likeness out of the different religious groups claiming Christians and forget about the contradictions amongst those claiming worshipers of your God, while we stick to oneness and unique line of thought governing a worldwide family of peace!

freshboi88:
John 14:26, “the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

U know more than the God that referred to him as he..... hahahaha peacefullove claims to know more than Jehovah.

Referred as " IT " too . u can faint now

"And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave IT unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease." Numbers 11:25.

So to settle it: Did Holy spirit know the day and hour ? U will run again.

Hairyrapunzel:
When you show us the bible passage that said they where not present physically or nobody saw them we will start talking. Till then you are still assuming and trying to propagate a lie based on your own assumption and not what is written in the bible

John 5:28,29 the hour is coming when the dead will hear Jesus voice and come out. Until then, They are dead !!! U are the one assuming they dont need ressurection to be alive and be seen with human eyes.

Maximus69:
My dear young lady, Our own God Jehovah is not a God of confusion but of PEACE! 1Corinthians 14:33

Wherever we see confusion we are 100% certain that Jehovah can't be in such a place or gathering.

Before this organization was formed, the first pioneers of the group tried to find out why there is no PEACE in the churches of Christendom.

Rozz, you are from a family and i'm sure that there is nobody on this planet that can make you carry weapons against your family member if you're not at loggerheads with your brother. But churches of Christendom failed woefully in this regard, members of Deeperlife Bible Church will carry weapons and shoot one another at the order of Racist Politicians, whereas this people will claim they are followers of the Prince of Peace!

After getting to the root of all these mishaps, Jehovah's Witnesses discovered that Satan is the one blindfolding them into thinking they belong to Christ when truly speaking they belong to the world that is under Satan's control! 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19

Jesus told the Jewish religionists of his times who refused to accept his wise counsel to figure out how Satan has gain total control of the Jewish religious system: "you are of your father the devil and you wish to do the will of your father, that one was a murderer from the beginning and a liar, when he lies he does so from his own minds, he is a liar and the father of lie" John 8:44

Clearly Jesus made us understand that those murderous religionists are not worshipers of his own God as they're claiming!

If these misinformed Churchgoers are not worshipers of Satan the murderer, why can't they stop all their members from using physical weapons? Matthew 26:52

Who exactly do they want to kill?

Who are their enemies, when Jesus asked us to pray for our own enemies instead of cursing them? Matthew 5:43-48

And if they're not worshipers of a lying God, why is it that they're all having contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines leading to fierce opposition amongst them over rules of conduct?


NO! My dear young lady, the God this people are worshiping is certainly not our own JEHOVAH who sent Jesus (the Prince of Peace) to unite his own worshipers as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! John 17:20-23

God bless you!

Hmmmmmmmmmm!

Oh why didn't i pass through the potters of the military intelligence like you Maximus?

Only your outspokenness and efficiency alone can kill any critic, now i'm fully convinced of what Haggai the prophet said that "JEHOVAH is rocking the nations so that all the desirable things like you will be taken to beautify his spiritual Temple" Haggai 2:7

Maximus69, Jehovah truthfully brought you in to fight his spiritual battle! Ephesians 6:12

I wonder the type of heart that will read this without been touched to the marrow!

I can't stop saying this

May Jehovah continue to bless you my brother and to increase your understanding in Jesus name, Amen!

Emusan:
When he didn't know what to say again....

I know it pains. But that record will live long on Nairaland.

Fully human = flesh and bones.

This was my question..

So how did people now know that worshipping and reverence Jesus is wrong?

Matthew 4:10

" Jesus answered him, "It is written, 'You are to worship the Lord your God and serve only him.'"

Satan wasn't tempting His God. Because God cannot be tempted with evil, the focus point is " YOUR GOD "


Jesus is not our God - John 20:17

Even in heaven, we are told Jesus is not our God


" And they cried out in a loud voice: "Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne , and to the Lamb [Jesus] " Rev 7:10

That's the God of Jesus Christ too.

But even if the word was misused

Good you admit.

, DID ANYBODY EVER TEACH THAT David and Daniel should be worshipped and reverend?

That's because no one claim they are God. My focus now is : Does this man claim Jesus is God ?

The way Russell and His team openly teached that Jesus should be worshipped and reverend.

So what is the importance of Russell being INSPIRED BY GOD, if he still went ahead to follow the same MISUSED INTERPRETATION?

He never said Jesus is God. That's when I will agree he followed the Misused translation. So he never meant worship in a different way than Translators used it for humans.

You're still grasping for air to lie more!

He isn't a Trinitarian but polytheist.

Polytheist definition:

Believe in more than one God.

Can I get where he declared Jesus God ?

Till then, You are still lying.

The OTHER HUMAN were not commanded to be WORSHIPPED just as Jesus was commanded to be worshipped.

Who command those humans to be worshiped at Rev 3:9 ?

Jesus himself command it to happen . the point is someone command humans to be worshiped too.

This is the basis of Russell for teaching the worship and reverence of Jesus Christ. Which is the same form of worship given to the true God.

Jesus is not OUR GOD. We are to worship OUR GOD - Matt 4:10. Not Yeshua

And I need reference of where this man claimed Jesus is our God ?

Russell holds the DOCTRINE OF PRAYING TO JESUS Christ!

Let me put it for you the way Russell himself put it so that your dull skull can be reset.

"Question. The fact that our Lord received worship is claimed by some to be an evidence that while on earth he was God the Father disguised in a body of flesh and not really a man. Was he really worshiped, or is the translation faulty? Answer. Yes, we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshiped, and properly so. It was proper for our Lord to receive worship in view of his having been the only begotten of the Father and his agent in the creation of all things, including man." Zion's Watch Tower 1898 Jul 15 p.216

From here, Russell himself didn't see any wrong FAULTY TRANSLATION but you concluded on his behalf that there's a problem in the translation.

One thing would always work against you . this guy doesnt see Jesus as GOD Almighty deserving of worship.

I
John 9:37-39 is the funniest thing have read . let me quote it from a translation that says worship.


37 Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

39 Jesus said,[a] “For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.”

40 Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, “What? Are we blind too?”


How come the Pharisses says nothing when a man WORSHIPPED another man right in their presence if the way this people meant worship referred to being God ??

U read more into the word worshipped because you have been thoroughly deceived.

Lastly, the same Russell you're fighting tooth and nail for here, also believed that DIVINITY WAS HIDDEN IN THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST.

Well you can continue to dwell in your delusions!

Divinity means Divine qualities/characteristics. I think I educate you earlier.

Did he believe he was God on earth ?