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freshboi88:
MUMU I no fear to answer, I just smart pass u

Hahaha...u go kill yasef o.....c wetin my question dey do u....

You can't defend your statement that Russell is in hellfire again ?? E get as e be .

I thought u said u will lecture me about hell, Just one verse u are shaking already

Was the Holy Spirit wrong in inspiring Russell to worship Jesus?.....wait o e b like say u dey fear to answer this question

Did Rusell worship Jesus as God ?

Maximus69:
Of course they can make mistakes because they are imperfect humans just like the first century Christians also made mistakes!

Which means their doctrines are just human philosophies which didn't come from God.

So it's the fruits they're able to bear that's attracting honest hearted people to the Organization Sir!

The difference between you people and adherents of Jehovah's Witnesses Organization is that you people choose any of the churches that soothes your likeness out of the different religious groups claiming Christians and forget about the contradictions amongst those claiming worshipers of your God, while we stick to oneness and unique line of thought governing a worldwide family of peace!

This is the most deluded statement ever....

You convertered from Islam to JWs, isn't it that you choose the church that soothes your likeness too?

Hypocrite!

Peacefullove:
I know it pains. But that record will live long on Nairaland.

Fully human = flesh and bones.

So fully human isn't flesh and bones to you?

Matthew 4:10

" Jesus answered him, "It is written, 'You are to worship the Lord your God and serve only him.'"

Satan wasn't tempting His God. Because God cannot be tempted with evil, the focus point is " YOUR GOD "

Jesus is not our God - John 20:17

Even in heaven, we are told Jesus is not our God

" And they cried out in a loud voice: "Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne , and to the Lamb [Jesus] " Rev 7:10

That's the God of Jesus Christ too.

My question is:

So how did people now know that worshipping and reverence Jesus is wrong?

You're still beating about the without straight answer to my question.

Good you admit.

Admit what?

That's because no one claim they are God. My focus now is : Does this man claim Jesus is God ?

He never said Jesus is God. That's when I will agree he followed the Misused translation. So he never meant worship in a different way than Translators used it for humans.

Keep lying....

The @underlined really shows how a chronic lying mouth sound.

Russell and his team always place Jesus along side of Jehovah in worship.

No translation ever put human worship along side of God.

Which means Russell and his team knows exactly what they're teaching not misused translation.

So why did watchtower society then REMOVE this type of worship and term it as idolatry if what Russell did wasn't PURE WORSHIP?

Polytheist definition:

Believe in more than one God.

Can I get where he declared Jesus God ?

Till then, You are still lying.

So your dull brain didn't tell you that Polytheist is also worshipping more than one God.

Who command those humans to be worshiped at Rev 3:9 ?

Jesus himself command it to happen . the point is someone command humans to be worshiped too.

Jesus is not OUR GOD. We are to worship OUR GOD - Matt 4:10. Not Yeshua

And I need reference of where this man claimed Jesus is our God?

Who are the human Jesus commanded to be worshipped in Rev 3:9?

And where are these humans recorded to be worshipped in the scripture?

Jesus is OUR GOD

You can hit your dull skull on rock about that.

One thing would always work against you . this guy doesnt see Jesus as GOD Almighty deserving of worship.

Why did he worship Jesus along side of Jehovah then?

John 9:37-39 is the funniest thing have read . let me quote it from a translation that says worship.


37 Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

39 Jesus said,[a] “For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.”

40 Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, “What? Are we blind too?”


How come the Pharisses says nothing when a man WORSHIPPED another man right in their presence if the way this people meant worship referred to being God ??

U read more into the word worshipped because you have been thoroughly deceived.

The same Pharisees say for Jesus to be claiming to be the Son of God means He is making Himself EQUAL WITH GOD....

What sayeth thou?

Divinity means Divine qualities/characteristics. I think I educate you earlier.

Did he believe he was God on earth ?

But you claimed no Divinity dwell in His human body!

And Divinity is also Divine Nature!

Meanwhile, the Divinty Russell spoke about isn't quality because he said "It seems clear that his DIVINITY was RETAINED in his humanity because He repeatedly spoke of Himself as having come down from heaven, and because He, though passing through trial and sorrow as a man, was yet possessed of the authority and exercised the prerogatives of a God."

Yes he believes he was God on earth...

Emusan:
Which means their doctrines are just human philosophies which didn't come from God.



This is the most deluded statement ever....

You convertered from Islam to JWs, isn't it that you choose the church that soothes your likeness too?

Hypocrite!

Choose the church that soothes my likeness?

NO Sir, let me correct you on that!

They came several times to my door, i often tell them "i'm not interested, i have my own religion or i'm a Muslim or i'm a believer" anyone that comes to my mouth i'll just spew to send them away.

But their persistency is choking me so one day i decided to refute whatever they've got to say NO MORE RUNNING AWAY FROM THESE CHRISTIANS, only to find out that they knew so much about the questions that has been bothering my mind about life!

Well i'm not the type that argue blindly in support of what i can't defend with efficacy. What rendered me helpless was the nickname they gave themselves (Christian Soldiers) now i know Jesus never used physical weapons and never encouraged his followers to do so.

So during the study i discovered Jehovah's Witnesses don't go into military services nor Politics, i have no option than to surrender to the TRUTH.
I never chose their Church Sir, i will prefer my Islam to any religion anytime anyday, if not because of their convincing teachings!

freshboi88:
Jehovah Witnesses want us to believe that Jesus is God's first creature. They quote the part of scripture that says Jesus is the first born of all God's creature.

I have just 1 verse from the bible that ridicules that false teaching.

John 1:3 God created everything through Jesus and nothing was made without him

Going by this scripture, God used Jesus to create Jesus since Jesus is God's creature and nothing was created without Jesus

I guess they have never reasoned this part of the scripture.

Jesus was created by God himself period... God created the human version of himself that's Jesus. and the spirit version of himself that's the Holy spirit..

That's why they are known as God the Father, the son and the Holy spirit...

Ayspark7:
Jesus was created by God himself period... God created the human version of himself that's Jesus. and the spirit version of himself that's the Holy spirit..

That's why they are known as God the Father, the son and the Holy spirit...

This is pure heresy...The bible never teaches that

Peacefullove:
You can't defend your statement that Russell is in hellfire again ?? E get as e be .

I thought u said u will lecture me about hell, Just one verse u are shaking already



Did Rusell worship Jesus as God ?

I said I'll lecture u bout hell if u answer my question. Have u answered the question?...No!

Maximus69:
According to what the Organization teaches, the Governing Body is NOT inspired in anyway Sir!

They only devote their time to diligent study of God's word, that's why God is using his holy spirit to direct them to things they need to know in the scriptures NOT inspiring them like Bible writers who penned down the things we are all studying today!

Was Russell Jehovahs mouth piece?...true or false?

Peacefullove:
Referred as " IT " too . u can faint now

"And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave IT unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease." Numbers 11:25.

So to settle it: Did Holy spirit know the day and hour ? U will run again.

Acts 8:29, “the Spirit said to Philip, ‘Go over and join this chariot.’

Acts 13:2, “While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, ‘Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.'”


Hahahaha.......the Holy Spirit can speak. No wonder the bible referred to him as he....the bible is never wrong. Hahaha, the Holy Spirit set out work for Paul and Barnabas.....

This is has killed this issue

Now go back to Russell, was Russell wrong when he worshipped Jesus

freshboi88:
Was Russell Jehovahs mouth piece?...true or false?

Jesus said

"by their FRUIT you will RECOGNIZE them" Matthew 7:20

So read your Bible, get the identity of the fruit of God's holy spirit so as to find the answer yourself Sir! Mark 11:27-33

Maximus69:
Jesus said

"by their FRUIT you will RECOGNIZE them" Matthew 7:20

So read your Bible, get the identity of the fruit of God's holy spirit so as to find the answer yourself Sir!

Shame dey catch me for u. C as I use Ur founder dey disgrace u . U hve suddenly turned motivational speaker on top small question way I ask u bout Russell

freshboi88:
Shame dey catch me for u. C as I use Ur founder dey disgrace u . U hve suddenly turned motivational speaker on top small question way I ask u bout Russell

Title of the thread:-

Did Jesus Create Jesus?

Maximus69:
Title of the thread:-

Did Jesus Create Jesus?

Hide Ur face in shame...d only option left for u is to keep turning round in circles

freshboi88:
Hide Ur face in shame...d only option left for u is to keep turning round in circles

Did you just say "hide face" Sir?

I never knew you can see my face on FACELESS social media.

You get jazz o!

Maximus69:
Did you just say "hide face" Sir?

I never knew you can see my face on FACELESS social media.

You get jazz o!

Really!!.. is this what u have been reduced to?...such a shame. Im sure I have hit countless nerves. You are restless, I know how it feels ehn, take heart

freshboi88:
Acts 8:29, “the Spirit said to Philip, ‘Go over and join this chariot.’

Acts 13:2, “While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, ‘Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.'”


Hahahaha.......the Holy Spirit can speak. No wonder the bible referred to him as he....the bible is never wrong. Hahaha, the Holy Spirit set out work for Paul and Barnabas.....

This is has killed this issue

Now go back to Russell, was Russell wrong when he worshipped Jesus

Personification. You should examine why its called " It " as well . and also does holy spirit know the day and hour ?

Peacefullove:
Personification. You should examine why its called " It " as well . and also does holy spirit know the day and hour ?

U dnt know the meaning of personification.

Acts 13:2, “While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, ‘Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.'”


The above cannot be referred to as personification. Are u brain dead or something?

Peacefullove:
Personification. You should examine why its called " It " as well . and also does holy spirit know the day and hour ?

Ephesians 4:30, “do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption

So a force can feel aggrieved. A force can express emotions...my guy, simply put, YOU ARE BRAIN DEAD

freshboi88:
Really!!.. is this what u have been reduced to?...such a shame. Im sure I have hit countless nerves. You are restless, I know how it feels ehn, take heart

My heart is still very much within me Sir!

Peacefullove:
Personification. You should examine why its called " It " as well . and also does holy spirit know the day and hour ?

Yes the Spirit knows......n I'll show u how and why.


10these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

1 cor 2:10-11[b]The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.[/b] 11For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God

I said I'll show u how and why

How.... because the spirit searches the depth of God.

Why....because according to 1 cor 2:11 the Holy Spirit knows the thought of God

Emusan:
So fully human isn't flesh and bones to you?

Mumu. Add blood. Genesis 5:2 that which he called human has blood.

My question is:

So how did people now know that worshipping and reverence Jesus is wrong?

You're still beating about the without straight answer to my question.

What people understand is the word " Worship " should be reserved solely for OUR GOD. Matt 4:10.

This is why many translations now use " prostrate, obeisance , bow down " for every other persons.

Admit what?

The word Worship was misused by most bibles

Keep lying....

The @underlined really shows how a chronic lying mouth sound.

Russell and his team always place Jesus along side of Jehovah in worship.

No translation ever put human worship along side of God.

Which means Russell and his team knows exactly what they're teaching not misused translation.

So why did watchtower society then REMOVE this type of worship and term it as idolatry if what Russell did wasn't PURE WORSHIP?

The same reason modern translations use Bow down to replace worship used by old translations where its not appropriate.

So your dull brain didn't tell you that Polytheist is also worshipping more than one God.

Who is that other God Russell worship ? I demand an answer .

Who are the human Jesus commanded to be worshipped in Rev 3:9?

And where are these humans recorded to be worshipped in the scripture?

Jesus is OUR GOD

You can hit your dull skull on rock about that.

, " ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to MY God and YOUR GOD.’” - John 20:17

Did Jesus lied here that he isn't our God ?

Why did he worship Jesus along side of Jehovah then?

Jehovah is his God.
Did he worship Jesus as God ??

The same Pharisees say for Jesus to be claiming to be the Son of God means He is making Himself EQUAL WITH GOD....

What sayeth thou?

The translation says Jesus received worship and the Pharisees see no wrong. Does that not tell you what occurred in that scene is not an Act of worship to God ?

But you claimed no Divinity dwell in His human body!

Divinity in what sense , Mary carries God and his divine nature in her womb for 9 months ? Mary clearly will be the Mother of God ...

And Divinity is also Divine Nature!

Meanwhile, the Divinty Russell spoke about isn't quality because he said "It seems clear that his DIVINITY was RETAINED in his humanity because He repeatedly spoke of Himself as having come down from heaven, and because He, though passing through trial and sorrow as a man, was yet possessed of the authority and exercised the prerogatives of a God."

Yes he believes he was God on earth...

Why do you remove the highlighted in your statement at blue. Am also a God if you don't know. This is different from being GOD. That " a" makes a difference. You are not wise



" Our Lord Jesus Christ is a God . . . still the united voice of the Scriptures must emphatically assert that there is but one Almighty. God, the Father of all. " Studies in the Scriptures. Vol. V, page 55.

Its not what you are thinking.

freshboi88:
Yes the Spirit knows......n I'll show u how and why.


10these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

1 cor 2:10-11[b]The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.[/b] 11For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God

I said I'll show u how and why

How.... because the spirit searches the depth of God.

Why....because according to 1 cor 2:11 the Holy Spirit knows the thought of God

But Jesus said NOBODY knows not even the angels (who are also spirits) nor the son (Jesus himself) but the father ALONE! Matthew 24:36

Abi this your Holy Ghost is no more a person like Jesus?

This TRINITY needs loads of backup lies to get roots in your heart ooooooo!

freshboi88:
Yes the Spirit knows......n I'll show u how and why.


10these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

1 cor 2:10-11[b]The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.[/b] 11For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God

I said I'll show u how and why

How.... because the spirit searches the depth of God.

Why....because according to 1 cor 2:11 the Holy Spirit knows the thought of God

According to Jesus , ONLY one person knows, the Father ... Who is lying ? Freshboi88 claims two persons know Spirit and the Father.

Someone is Lying here.

Maximus69:
But Jesus said NOBODY knows not even the angels (who are also spirits) nor the son (Jesus himself) but the father ALONE! Matthew 24:36

Abi this your Holy Ghost is no more a person like Jesus?

This TRINITY needs loads of backup lies to get roots in your heart ooooooo!

Your last line

freshboi88:
U dnt know the meaning of personification.

Acts 13:2, “While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, ‘Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.'”


The above cannot be referred to as personification. Are u brain dead or something?

Na the matter of who knows the day and hour we still dey settle. When we settle that matter finish . your eye go clear

Peacefullove:
Your last line

Trinitarians and their pigheadedness!

He is arguing that God's active force is a separate person on it's own, OK Jesus said there are things only the Father knows, instead of him to dodge that one he jumped at it saying

"the holy ghost sabi am"

When Jesus said NOBODY except the father, NOT even Jesus (that Trinitarians are claiming is part of their Godhead, NOT even angels that are also spirit beings) then it's either that Holy Ghost is not a person to validate Jesus' statement or freshboi88 must find supporting lies to back up TRINITY so as not to fall yakata!

Simply asking to learn what you don't know!

Nobody will flog you o freshboi88!

I remembered the other time you wanted to start arguing where Jesus and his followers preached from house to house!

Haba na by force to become wetin you no fit?

God's people have everything it takes to teach you but this ego and arrogance will deprive you of gaining insight, don't think by arguing with Jehovah's Witnesses, you will be better than your cohorts in false Trinitarian Churches.

If we don't pray with you, you can never know how to connect fitting scriptures neither can you be efficient in preaching and teaching God's word!

Peacefullove:
Mumu. Add blood. Genesis 5:2 that which he called human has blood.

Ode...and animals are human too since they have blood.

What people understand is the word " Worship " should be reserved solely for OUR GOD. Matt 4:10.

This is why many translations now use " prostrate, obeisance , bow down " for every other persons.

So Russell didn't know that Matt 4:10 was in his Bible before he worship Jesus along side of Jehovah

So can you show us translations that used prostrate, bow down, for where it was talking about Jesus?

The word Worship was misused by most bibles

This is your figment of your deluded mind.

The same reason modern translations use Bow down to replace worship used by old translations where its not appropriate.

Show us how these translations rendered it when it's about Jesus Christ.

Who is that other God Russell worship ? I demand an answer .

Jesus Christ.

, " ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to MY God and YOUR GOD.’” - John 20:17

Did Jesus lied here that he isn't our God ?

Where did He say He isn't OUR GOD in that verse?

"...And the Word was God"
"...To thy throne Oh God"

Jehovah is his God.
Did he worship Jesus as God ??

To worship someone means the person is your God.

So which worship did Russell worship Jesus for if not as God?

Again, why then did your demonic organization change the doctrine of worshipping of Jesus Christ and admitted they made error, if what Russell did was right?

The translation says Jesus received worship and the Pharisees see no wrong. Does that not tell you what occurred in that scene is not an Act of worship to God?

The same Pharisees say Jesus claimed to be God, making Himself equal to God for calling Himself the Son of God...why do you think they will oppose Him when people worshipped Him?

Divinity in what sense , Mary carries God and his divine nature in her womb for 9 months ? Mary clearly will be the Mother of God ...

You have started your delusion to divert attention again...

It's clear from the quote that Divinity RUSSELL meant isn't Divine quality/character but Divine nature.

Why do you remove the highlighted in your statement at blue. Am also a God if you don't know. This is different from being GOD. That " a" makes a difference. You are not wise

If you're a God then good for you.

Of course the 'a' makes a difference that's why you people added it in the first place, that's why you'll continue to deny Jesus as God.

" Our Lord Jesus Christ is a God . . . still the united voice of the Scriptures must emphatically assert that there is but one Almighty. God, the Father of all. " Studies in the Scriptures. Vol. V, page 55.

Its not what you are thinking.

And you're also a God which means you and Jesus Christ are the same.

Maximus69:
But Jesus said NOBODY knows not even the angels (who are also spirits) nor the son (Jesus himself) but the father ALONE! Matthew 24:36

Abi this your Holy Ghost is no more a person like Jesus?

This TRINITY needs loads of backup lies to get roots in your heart ooooooo!

Are you then saying the Holy Spirit didn't know the things of God then?

Maximus69:
But Jesus said NOBODY knows not even the angels (who are also spirits) nor the son (Jesus himself) but the father ALONE! Matthew 24:36

Abi this your Holy Ghost is no more a person like Jesus?

This TRINITY needs loads of backup lies to get roots in your heart ooooooo!

This ORGANIZATION concept needs loads of backup lies to get roots in your heart ooooooo! cheesy

Just as you have been going back and forth with lies trying to defend RUSSELL from IDOLATRY. Even going as far as ROPING prophets of OLD in your lies in order to EXONERATE RUSSELL from IDOLATRY.

Peacefullove:
According to Jesus , ONLY one person knows, the Father ... Who is lying ? Freshboi88 claims two persons know Spirit and the Father.

Someone is Lying here.

Only people with common sense can reconcile this.

Let me help u

Peacefullove has a body and a spirit....right?

Is peacefullove two beings?..... Is your body one being and your spirit another being?......

If no, then why do u think God and God's Spirit are two beings.....can u see Ur foolishness.


According to 2 cor 2:10-11.....what a man knows his spirit knows.(because the man and his spirit is one). Same for God, what the Father knows, His Spirit knows( one being)

Maximus69:
[s]Simply asking to learn what you don't know!

Nobody will flog you o freshboi88!

I remembered the other time you wanted to start arguing where Jesus and his followers preached from house to house!

Haba na by force to become wetin you no fit?

God's people have everything it takes to teach you but this ego and arrogance will deprive you of gaining insight, don't think by arguing with Jehovah's Witnesses, you will be better than your cohorts in false Trinitarian Churches.

If we don't pray with you, you can never know how to connect fitting scriptures neither can you be efficient in preaching and teaching God's word! [/s]

Gibberish!!!!!