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Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 11:00am On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:
NO!
God's holy spirit is attracted by faith and on the other hand could also be irritated by lack of faith.

Because it's God himself that's gives it out to faithful people! Luke 11:13

It's this same active force (holy spirit) that's controlling all the natural elements that's sustaining life on planet earth! Genesis 6:3
You have the answer to Ur delusion in your statement.

How can a force feel irritated......one has to be living to express emotions
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 11:01am On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:
Did your instrument know what is in your brain?
The holy spirit means Jehovah's active force to us Sir, so it's just Jehovah's instrument like a screwdriver, if Jehovah didn't mean to use it, it can't operate on it's own.
But if you've gotten a totally different opinion, go and make use of what you know Sir everyone is watching out to see the BENEFITS of your knowledge! smiley
My instrument isn't part of myself.

So is Jehovah active force a separate being/thing/from God Himself right?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 11:12am On May 30, 2020
freshboi88:
It's funny how u and Ur kind have to answers to the questions I listed




What u have not been able to reconcile is how :

1. How can Gods force speak?

2. How can he be lied to?

3. How he is able to teach

4. How he is able to feel aggrieved?

5. How he is able to set apart Paul and Barnabas for work he has called them to do.

6. How he can shut Paul from speaking in Asia.

Answer these questions......let's c how delusional u r.

How can a force do these things?
You're not interrogating a common criminal!
Both of you have the right to choose whatever you will believe. It doesn't speak well of you insulting someone all simply because he is chatting with you based on what he believes in his mind!
I think people discuss what they have in mind like FAITH with you out of respect and regard for you as a person.
So disrespecting them and expecting them to continue answering your questions, sounds somehow! 1Peter 3:15 undecided undecided undecided
I think you need to be respectful in discussing with someone who is ready to share his time with you on what he holds so dear 'his Faith', this is the reason why most so called Pastors irritates their audience in the north leading to disputes! Matthew 10:16 embarassed embarassed embarassed
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 11:25am On May 30, 2020
Emusan:
My instrument isn't part of myself.
That's exactly my former religious views!
They will say the man never intended stealing the item but your hand did" so they'll amputate that hand and set the thief to go scot-free! cheesy
They'll say he never intended raping the victim but his manhood did therefore they'll amputate the organ so the rapist is free to go! cheesy

So is Jehovah active force a separate being/thing/from God Himself right?
I believe Jesus is God's son NOT Josephs because Mary God pregnant through God's holy spirit NOT through sex with Joseph!

So God's ACTIVE FORCE means his means of getting things done! smiley
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 11:28am On May 30, 2020
freshboi88:
You have the answer to Ur delusion in your statement.

How can a force feel irritated......one has to be living to express emotions
So there's no reason been aggrieved over what someone else believes, after all God will judge unbelievers, don't you think so? smiley
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 11:29am On May 30, 2020
TATIME:
You're not interrogating a common criminal!
Both of you have the right to choose whatever you will believe. It doesn't speak well of you insulting someone all simply because he is chatting with you based on what he believes in his mind!
I think people discuss what they have in mind like FAITH with you out of respect and regard for you as a person.
So disrespecting them and expecting them to continue answering your questions, sounds somehow! 1Peter 3:15 undecided undecided undecided
I think you need to be respectful in discussing with someone who is ready to share his time with you on what he holds so dear 'his Faith', this is the reason why most so called Pastors irritates their audience in the north leading to disputes! Matthew 10:16 embarassed embarassed embarassed
Answer question u dey fear.......Kai!!!!....it's not easy been a JW, too many lies to defend
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 11:35am On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:
That's exactly my former religious views!
They will say the man never intended stealing the item but your hand did" so they'll amputate that hand and set the thief to go scot-free! cheesy
They'll say he never intended raping the victim but his manhood did therefore they'll amputate the organ so the rapist is free to go! cheesy



I believe Jesus is God's son NOT Josephs because Mary God pregnant through God's holy spirit NOT through sex with Joseph!

So God's ACTIVE FORCE means his means of getting things done! smiley
The point Ur brain is too dull to comprehend is how this Force can speak?

set assignment for people?,

can be lied to ?

Can even be sinned against....sin against the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven(nah Jesus talk am)

Can be aggrieved?

Can stop Paul from preaching in Asia?

Can teach?

Dnt be a Zombie....and try to run away from things u can't comprehend because u have been brainwashed to think in a certain way.

How can a force do all these things and have these xracteristics?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 11:37am On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:
So there's no reason been aggrieved over what someone else believes, after all God will judge unbelievers, don't you think so? smiley
When we started this thread, Una mouth dey sharp, even peacefullove has run away when faced with the truth.

Where are Ur bible verses to explain how the Holy Spirit can do all these things
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 11:42am On May 30, 2020
freshboi88:
You preach what the bible didn't say. God forgive u. Now let's see what the bible teaches.

1 Peter 3: 18Christ sufferedd for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit.e

19 So he went and preached to the spirits in prison— 20those who disobeyed God long ago when God waited patiently while Noah was building his boat. Only eight people were saved from drowning in that terrible flood.

The Spirit of Jesus preached to spirits in prison. C how this verse ridicules Ur life force gibberish.........

So while d body was lying in the grave, the spirit was alive on its own, conscious, preaching and teaching.

It must be really cumbersome been a JW having to carry all these lies on your head.

Now can a force teach.


If Jesus Spirit returned to God as u said, which Spirit went to preach to spirits in prison
Luke 23:46

"And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, "Father, INTO YOUR HANDS I COMMIT MY SPIRIT." Having said this, He breathed His last." NASB


His Spirit returned to the Father. After ressurection , he said.


John 20:17

I ( Jesus ) have not Yet ascended to my Father.


The spirit that returned is not Jesus. Clear !


The point that spring up is: Since Jesus Spirit Is not a person, Do you agree Gods spirit is also not a person ??


If Gods spirit is a separate person as the Trinity teach , Third person, Do you admit it means two persons Know the Day and hour ?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 11:45am On May 30, 2020
freshboi88:
The point Ur brain is too dull to comprehend is how this Force can speak?

set assignment for people?,

can be lied to ?


Can even be sinned against....sin against the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven(nah Jesus talk am)


Can be aggrieved?

Can stop Paul from preaching in Asia?

Can teach?

Dnt be a Zombie....and try to run away from things u can't comprehend because u have been brainwashed to think in a certain way.

How can a force do all these things and have these xracteristics?
Another problem with the bold : Does this not prove holy spirit is Greater than Jesus in authority if it were a person ? Deal with it!
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 11:48am On May 30, 2020
freshboi88:
[s]
When we started this thread, Una mouth dey sharp, even peacefullove has run away when faced with the truth.

Where are Ur bible verses to explain how the Holy Spirit can do all these things [/s]
Holy spirit is not the Father . they are different persons according to Trinity not one same person , So did Jesus lied only the Father knows. ??
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 11:49am On May 30, 2020
freshboi88:
When we started this thread, Una mouth dey sharp, even peacefullove has run away when faced with the truth.

Where are Ur bible verses to explain how the Holy Spirit can do all these things
You're not asking questions Sir!

You are insulting people and at the same time anticipating their response as if they owe you any! cheesy

Go and try that in the north and see how easy you'll win souls for you TRINITY Jesus! cheesy
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 11:50am On May 30, 2020
Peacefullove:
Another problem with the bold : Does this not prove holy spirit is Greater than Jesus in authority if it were a person ? Deal with it!
Trash!!!...maybe in Ur mind only.

The point here is Holy Spirit is a person. One a living being can exhibit these xteristics.

Only a living being can talk, can express emotions, can speak, can teach, can be sinned against.

If the Holy Spirit is not a living being how can he exhibit these xteristics?. None of u can answer these questions....what a shame!!!!!!!

JW has been defeated....sorry ehn, u guys lost.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 11:51am On May 30, 2020
Peacefullove:
Humans at Gen 5:2 are Creation that function with blood. That your blunder is on record man.
You first started with Mr fully human flesh and blood, now it's Mr fully human flesh and bones

What is your problem in the first place?

Why are you so confused and trying to drag people into your confusion?

John 9:38

Contemporary English Version
The man said, "Lord, I put my faith in you!" Then he worshiped Jesus.

Good News Translation
"I believe, Lord!" the man said, and knelt down before Jesus.

Weymouth New Testament
"I believe, Sir," he said. And he threw himself at His feet.


Young's Literal Translation
and he said, 'I believe, sir,' and bowed before him
Was this only the place the word "worship" was used for Christ?

Show us other place and how the same translations put it.

My God and YOUR GOD. - John 20:17

YOUR GOD.

Whom did he refer as my God and YOUR GOD ??

We can't have two Gods, So who is this OUR GOD ?
Yes! And that's what make Russell and his team an idolater because they have two Gods

But Jesus is your God

"...and the word was God"
"Thy throne Oh God... "

Daniel is the God of Nebuchadnezzar?
Always off point

Did worship someone or things make them your God or not?

Russell didnt worship Jesus as God. Like you dull Trinitarians.

I still demand where he said Jesus Is Almighty God.! grin

Now that you can't find proof he regard Jesus as God, You are asking " IF " grin

Simply means He gave him respect.

Your polytheism tag is Fully found a lie

Show me Russell's error in this regard .. I expected to see a man who worship Jesus as God like you dumb Trinitarians
So you know he only gave him RESPECT yet you first claimed he was mislead by TRANSLATIONS and what they (Russell and his team) are doing by worshipping Jesus is wrong, which isn't a sin since the Bible says whatever you don't know isn't a sin.

Russell was mislead by translations and given Jesus respect wrongfully.

Then a reasonable question to ask is while then did watchtower have to change their doctrines if what RUSSELL and his team did were just given respect to Jesus Christ

I have to end it up here because it's soo shameful that your lying mouth doesn't have any dignity.

See the pic attached below

They wanted to stone him for their accusation, So why won't they attack him if worship here meant what your deluded head is telling you ?

Yet he didnt believe Jesus was God Almighty ? Are you okay at all ?

Ye are Gods - Yahweh says .

But all of us including Jesus have ONE GOD, THE FATHER OF ALL - Eph 4:6

Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 11:54am On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:
You're not asking questions Sir!

You are insulting people and at the same time anticipating their response as if they owe you any! cheesy

Go and try that in the north and see how easy you'll win souls for you TRINITY Jesus! cheesy
Excuse not to answer my questions because u have no answers. I guess u spent the whole night going through watch tower publications looking for answers but couldn't find.

So you result to me been insultive, I guess insults just started on the thread abi.

Sorry u, u lost to superior arguement and the truth.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 11:55am On May 30, 2020
freshboi88:
The point Ur brain is too dull to comprehend is how this Force can speak?

set assignment for people?,

can be lied to ?

Can even be sinned against....sin against the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven(nah Jesus talk am)

Can be aggrieved?

Can stop Paul from preaching in Asia?

Can teach?

Dnt be a Zombie....and try to run away from things u can't comprehend because u have been brainwashed to think in a certain way.

How can a force do all these things and have these xracteristics?
Just meditate on the bolded Sir!

This same BRAINWASHED are the ones zealously preaching and industriously teaching people globally! cheesy

Now it's you who is not brainwashed that's crying day and night because your cohorts can't beat the industriousness of the ones you referred to as BRAINWASHED.

Ó mà seo! embarassed
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 11:58am On May 30, 2020
Peacefullove:
Holy spirit is not the Father . they are different persons according to Trinity not one same person , So did Jesus lied only the Father knows. ??
This is the only thing u r left with. U hve gone back to this.....u already conquered this arguement.

Whatever the Father knows, the spirit knows because the spirit searches the depth of the Father and knows his thoughts.....(no be me talk am, nah bible talk am)

So keep fooling urself
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 12:00pm On May 30, 2020
freshboi88:
Excuse not to answer my questions because u have no answers. I guess u spent the whole night going through watch tower publications looking for answers but couldn't find.

So you result to me been insultive, I guess insults just started on the thread abi.

Sorry u, u lost to superior arguement and the truth.
Just apologize due to your lack of respect for people you wish to hear their views on what they holds so dear "FAITH"!

Do so and let's continue chatting as friendly neighbours over what you and i believe or you soothe yourself.

No wahala! smiley
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 12:00pm On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:
[s]That's exactly my former religious views!
They will say the man never intended stealing the item but your hand did" so they'll amputate that hand and set the thief to go scot-free! cheesy
They'll say he never intended raping the victim but his manhood did therefore they'll amputate the organ so the rapist is free to go! cheesy[/s]
Off point!
My instrument isn't part of myself, you can tell me any of my instrument you mean!

I believe Jesus is God's son NOT Josephs because Mary God pregnant through God's holy spirit NOT through sex with Joseph!

So God's ACTIVE FORCE means his means of getting things done! smiley
So it's a separate THING from Jehovah, right?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 12:03pm On May 30, 2020
Emusan:
You first started with Mr fully human flesh and blood, now it's Mr fully human flesh and bones

What is your problem in the first place?

Why are you so confused and trying to drag people into your confusion?
Humans at Genesis 5:2 are creatures with blood , Not just Flesh and Bones.

Was this only the place the word "worship" was used for Christ?

Show us other place and how the same translations put it.
That is enough prove.

Yes! And that's what make Russell and his team an idolater because they have two Gods
Nowhere did he claimed Jesus is His God.

You can keep that lie


But Jesus is your God

"...and the word was God"
"Thy throne Oh God... "
Where is " YOUR " in the above ??

Its like something is doing your Brain

John 20:17 says " YOUR GOD " not Just God.

When you have where Jesus is called YOUR God or OUR God. Quote me, I dare you won't find any

Always off point

Did worship someone or things make them your God or not?
And that Make Daniel the God of Nebuchadnezzar . So ?

If Daniel didnt become the God of Nebuchadnezzar for accepting Worship, then worship here meant a different sense. Same with Russell who never claimed Jesus is his God.

So you know he only gave him RESPECT yet you first claimed he was mislead by TRANSLATIONS and worshipped Jesus unknownly, which isn't a sin since the Bible says whatever you don't know isn't a sin.

Then a reasonable question to ask is while then did watchtower have to change their doctrines if what RUSSELL and his team did were just given respect to Jesus Christ?
Brainwashed . its not Ruseel that's the problem. He didnt say Jesus is his God. Its the Fact that the word worship should actually be reserved solely for OUR GOD. And not anyone else , not even Jesus.

I have to end it up here because it's soo shameful that your lying mouth doesn't have any dignity.

See the pic attached below
If he knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it to mean Jesus is his God . when He never claimed that . he won't have used it. That's my point. Hence he didnt know it will confuse your likes to use that word or else Folks with small thinking like you will misinterpret.

Record never said he refer to Jesus as His God. That alone kill your points instantly.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 12:04pm On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:
Just meditate on the bolded Sir!

This same BRAINWASHED are the ones zealously preaching and industriously teaching people globally! cheesy

Now it's you who is not brainwashed that's crying day and night because your cohorts can't beat the industriousness of the ones you referred to as BRAINWASHED.

Ó mà seo! embarassed
Even the devil can preach nah, the devil can quote scripture. The devil uses scripture to deceive people like he tried to do with Jesus, quoting scripture for him in the temptations of Jesus.

But Jesus having superior knowledge of scripture,cos he himself is the word of God. He is scripture himself defeated satan with the same scipture.

Thts d same way u pple go about deceiving pple with scripture like Ur father the devil. But in this thread, u have all been defeated with superior knowledge of scripture. Now go and wail cos this defeat is heavy on your hearts
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 12:05pm On May 30, 2020
freshboi88:
This is the only thing u r left with. U hve gone back to this.....u already conquered this arguement.

Whatever the Father knows, the spirit knows because the spirit searches the depth of the Father and knows his thoughts.....(no be me talk am, nah bible talk am)

So keep fooling urself
And Jesus said ONLY one person, The Father knows .

Freshboi88 says Two persons.


Who is lyinngggggggggg ??

grin
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 12:07pm On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:
Just apologize due to your lack of respect for people you wish to hear their views on what they holds so dear "FAITH"!

Do so and let's continue chatting as friendly neighbours over what you and i believe or you soothe yourself.

No wahala! smiley
The point Ur brain is too dull to comprehend is how this Force can speak?

set assignment for people?,

can be lied to ?

Can even be sinned against....sin against the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven(nah Jesus talk am)

Can be aggrieved?

Can stop Paul from preaching in Asia?

Can teach?

I can see these questions are tormenting you. I will keep the question in your face so the readers can c u have no answer to them
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 12:08pm On May 30, 2020
freshboi88:
Even the devil can preach nah, the devil can quote scripture. The devil uses scripture to deceive people like he tried to do with Jesus, quoting scripture for him in the temptations of Jesus.

But Jesus having superior knowledge of scripture,cos he himself is the word of God. He is scripture himself defeated satan with the same scipture.

Thts d same way u pple go about deceiving pple with scripture like Ur father the devil. But in this thread, u have all been defeated with superior knowledge of scripture. Now go and wail cos this defeat is heavy on your hearts
Dont forget there is another issue on ground, Holy spirit as a person HAS FAR Authority than Jesus Christ , Remember Sin against Jesus can be forgiven, But holy spirit can't ?? Do u accept Jesus is actually the third person of trinity ,??
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 12:09pm On May 30, 2020
freshboi88:
The point Ur brain is too dull to comprehend is how this Force can speak?

set assignment for people?,

can be lied to ?

Can even be sinned against....sin against the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven(nah Jesus talk am)


Can be aggrieved?

Can stop Paul from preaching in Asia?

Can teach?

I can see these questions are tormenting you. I will keep the question in your face so the readers can c u have no answer to them
Holy spirit as a person has Far more authority than Jesus Christ ? @bold
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 12:11pm On May 30, 2020
Peacefullove:
And Jesus said ONLY one person, The Father knows .

Freshboi88 says Two persons.


Who is lyinngggggggggg ??

grin
Hahahaha.....Jesus was not wrong, neither am I, that's because a person and his spirit despite been distinct are one
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 12:12pm On May 30, 2020
Peacefullove:
Holy spirit as a person has Far more authority than Jesus Christ ? @bold
How does the bold correspond to what u put up there
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 12:15pm On May 30, 2020
Peacefullove:
Dont forget there is another issue on ground, Holy spirit as a person HAS FAR Authority than Jesus Christ , Remember Sin against Jesus can be forgiven, But holy spirit can't ?? Do u accept Jesus is actually the third person of trinity ,??
Explain how sin against the holy spirit cannot be forgiven translates to authority
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 12:17pm On May 30, 2020
Emusan:
You first started with Mr fully human flesh and blood, now it's Mr fully human flesh and bones

What is your problem in the first place?

Why are you so confused and trying to drag people into your confusion?



Was this only the place the word "worship" was used for Christ?

Show us other place and how the same translations put it.



Yes! And that's what make Russell and his team an idolater because they have two Gods


But Jesus is your God

"...and the word was God"
"Thy throne Oh God... "



Always off point

Did worship someone or things make them your God or not?



So you know he only gave him RESPECT yet you first claimed he was mislead by TRANSLATIONS and what they (Russell and his team) are doing by worshipping Jesus is wrong, which isn't a sin since the Bible says whatever you don't know isn't a sin.

Russell was mislead by translations and given Jesus respect wrongfully.

Then a reasonable question to ask is while then did watchtower have to change their doctrines if what RUSSELL and his team did were just given respect to Jesus Christ

I have to end it up here because it's soo shameful that your lying mouth doesn't have any dignity.

See the pic attached below
with emphasis on Your and Our. Show me where Jesus is Called OUR God ?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 12:26pm On May 30, 2020
freshboi88:
Explain how sin against the holy spirit cannot be forgiven translates to authority
1Samuel 2:25
" If one man sin against another, the judge shall judge him: but if a man sin against the LORD, who shall intreat for him?" KJV

Who has more authority in the above ?

Then if sin against holy spirit has more weight than Sin against Jesus , who has more authority ??
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 12:32pm On May 30, 2020
freshboi88:
Hahahaha.....Jesus was not wrong, neither am I, that's because a person and his spirit despite been distinct are one
I already showed you a man and his spirit are one because the spirit itself is not a separate person but force or breath of life . I cited the example of Jesus .

But to claim the spirit of man is a person, means Man and his spirit are Two persons.

Trinity is defined as three persons . So u have to deal with this.


Are you saying Father and holy spirit are one person rendering one of them as force ?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 12:47pm On May 30, 2020
freshboi88:
The point Ur brain is too dull to comprehend is how this Force can speak?

set assignment for people?,

can be lied to ?

Can even be sinned against....sin against the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven(nah Jesus talk am)

Can be aggrieved?

Can stop Paul from preaching in Asia?

Can teach?

I can see these questions are tormenting you. I will keep the question in your face so the readers can c u have no answer to them
It's your questions Sir! Galatians 6:5

Not others, so if truthfully you want answers tender your apology! smiley
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