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Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 1:05pm On May 30, 2020
Peacefullove:
I already showed you a man and his spirit are one because the spirit itself is not a separate person but force or breath of life . I cited the example of Jesus .

But to claim the spirit of man is a person, means Man and his spirit are Two persons.

Trinity is defined as three persons . So u have to deal with this.


Are you saying Father and holy spirit are one person rendering one of them as force ?
U must be deluded. The spirit is separate from the body. When Jesus died, the bible made us understand that his spirit went to preach to spirits in prison. It means while the body was in the grave, his spirit was active...even to the extent of preaching........

If Jesus's spirit is a force how come he was able to teach even when his body was lying in the grave.

See how the bible exposes u
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 1:07pm On May 30, 2020
Peacefullove:
1Samuel 2:25
" If one man sin against another, the judge shall judge him: but if a man sin against the LORD, who shall intreat for him?" KJV

Who has more authority in the above ?

Then if sin against holy spirit has more weight than Sin against Jesus , who has more authority ??
There's no correlation from the verse u quoted to ur affirmation. Can u be more unambiguous
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 4:21pm On May 30, 2020
Peacefullove:
Humans at Genesis 5:2 are creatures with blood , Not just Flesh and Bones.
And what is your point here?

That is enough prove.
Hypocrite!

It's enough prove because you know the rest are against your lies.

Nowhere did he claimed Jesus is His God.

You can keep that lie
So why praying to Jesus if Jesus isn't his God?

Where is " YOUR " in the above ??

Its like something is doing your Brain

John 20:17 says " YOUR GOD " not Just God.

When you have where Jesus is called YOUR God or OUR God. Quote me, I dare you won't find any
So funny how you people dance around like headless chicken. Now, it's YOUR and OUR

The Bible says, "...and the word was God" & "Thy throne Oh God..."


And that Make Daniel the God of Nebuchadnezzar . So ?

If Daniel didnt become the God of Nebuchadnezzar for accepting Worship, then worship here meant a different sense. Same with Russell who never claimed Jesus is his God.

Brainwashed . its not Ruseel that's the problem. He didnt say Jesus is his God. Its the Fact that the word worship should actually be reserved solely for OUR GOD. And not anyone else , not even Jesus.



If he knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it to mean Jesus is his God . when He never claimed that . he won't have used it. That's my point. Hence he didnt know it will confuse your likes to use that word or else Folks with small thinking like you will misinterpret.

Record never said he refer to Jesus as His God. That alone kill your points instantly.
After your blatant lying mouth was exposed you still have gut to open your mouth to spew nonsense.

From Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong to IT WAS JUST A RESPECT now you have shifted the blame on those after Russell to "If he knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it to mean Jesus is his God." when you noticed that it was on the same basis that watchtower society change their doctrines and even admitted that they were actually wrong.

Just different lies from the same lying mouth.

When you even realize that Russell also Prayed to Jesus.

The attached is still there for you....oni ro buruku!

Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 4:27pm On May 30, 2020
Barristter07:
with emphasis on Your and Our. Show me where Jesus is Called OUR God ?
Always shifting post. Now, it's YOUR and OUR

"The word was God"
"Thy throne Oh God..."

I know you people lack basic English.

But let me teach you!
If the word was God, and the word became flesh known as Jesus, and Jesus Christ is OUR Savior.

Definitely the Saviour is OUR GOD!

Now wonder you people change that verse to "a god" because you know the implication.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 5:32pm On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:
It's your questions Sir! Galatians 6:5

Not others, so if truthfully you want answers tender your apology! smiley
Apology my foot.....u dnt have answers to d questions. Nd I hope these questions illuminate your mind. Thts d essence of the questions. They should set u thinking
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 5:34pm On May 30, 2020
Emusan:
Always shifting post. Now, it's YOUR and OUR

"The word was God"
"Thy throne Oh God..."

I know you people lack basic English.

But let me teach you!
If the word was God, and the word became flesh known as Jesus, and Jesus Christ is OUR Savior.

Definitely the Saviour is OUR GOD!

Now wonder you people change that verse to "a god" because you know the implication.
Dnt mind them, I have hook them on holy spirit is a force lie, they have no where else to turn to
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 5:37pm On May 30, 2020
freshboi88:
Apology my foot.....u dnt have answers to d questions. Nd I hope these questions illuminate your mind. Thts d essence of the questions. They should set u thinking
In that case hold onto your questions Sir!

Nobody is forcing anybody! cheesy
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 5:37pm On May 30, 2020
Emusan:
And what is your point here?



Hypocrite!

It's enough prove because you know the rest are against your lies.



So why praying to Jesus if Jesus isn't his God?



So funny how you people dance around like headless chicken. Now, it's YOUR and OUR

The Bible says, "...and the word was God" & "Thy throne Oh God..."




After your blatant lying mouth was exposed you still have gut to open your mouth to spew nonsense.

From Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong to IT WAS JUST A RESPECT now you have shifted the blame on those after Russell to "If he knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it to mean Jesus is his God." when you noticed that it was on the same basis that watchtower society change their doctrines and even admitted that they were actually wrong.

Just different lies from the same lying mouth.

When you even realize that Russell also Prayed to Jesus.

The attached is still there for you....oni ro buruku!
From claiming Russell didn't know that worshipping Jesus was wrong and so it's not a sin to Russell didn't worship Jesus......

Peacefullove y r u like this, talking with both sides of the mouth.... Thts proof to show u r a liar
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 5:39pm On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:
In that case hold onto your questions Sir!

Nobody is forcing anybody! cheesy
U r only fooling urself and giving up an excuse not to answer the question. U no get answer!!!



What a shame JW has been defeated !!!!!!......They have no answer to my questions.....hide urself in shame
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 5:44pm On May 30, 2020
freshboi88:
U r only fooling urself and giving up an excuse not to answer the question. U no get answer!!!



What a shame JW has been defeated !!!!!!......They have no answer to my questions.....hide urself in shame
APOLOGIZE for insulting your teacher Sir!

You can't eat your cake and still have it, if i'm responding to your questions regarding my FAITH, it's because i respected and honour you! Matthew 7:12 wink
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 5:49pm On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:
APOLOGIZE for insulting your teacher Sir!

You can't eat your cake and still have it, if i'm responding to your questions regarding my FAITH, it's because i respected and honour you! Matthew 7:12 wink
We have run our course, since u dnt have answers to my questions. It's clearly above u.
Meditate on the questions, sleep over it, put it forward to my pastors in church, their response will shock u. Because I'm sure they will end up brainwashing u more with lies
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 6:05pm On May 30, 2020
freshboi88:
We have run our course, since u dnt have answers to my questions. It's clearly above u.
Meditate on the questions, sleep over it, put it forward to my pastors in church, their response will shock u. Because I'm sure they will end up brainwashing u more with lies
Just simply apologize that's all! wink
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 8:00pm On May 30, 2020
freshboi88:
From claiming Russell didn't know that worshipping Jesus was wrong and so it's not a sin to Russell didn't worship Jesus......

Peacefullove y r u like this, talking with both sides of the mouth.... Thts proof to show u r a liar
The lying liar mouth doesn't have a single shame.

Imagine someone who openly said that The old men didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong, then shifted to TRANSLATION mislead Russell, again to Yes! Russell worshipping Jesus was only TO GIVE JESUS RESPECT. and finally to last nonsense up there.

This is to show you the actual spirit working in them, which is the spirit of their father the Devil.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 8:12pm On May 30, 2020
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Emusan:
The lying liar mouth doesn't have a single shame.

Imagine someone who openly said that The old men didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong, then shifted to TRANSLATION mislead Russell, again to Yes! Russell worshipping Jesus was only TO GIVE JESUS RESPECT. and finally to last nonsense up there.

This is to show you the actual spirit working in them, which is the spirit of their father the Devil.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 8:28pm On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:
grin grin grin
Even the matter makes you laugh too.....

I guess it's "the light getting brighter" method your brother is using here too.

As organization as followers!
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 8:33pm On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:
APOLOGIZE for insulting your teacher Sir!

You can't eat your cake and still have it, if i'm responding to your questions regarding my FAITH, it's because i respected and honour you! Matthew 7:12 wink
I can see you're silent on my question, which is:

Is Holy spirit a separate thing from Jehovah Himself?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by achorladey: 10:28pm On May 30, 2020
Emusan:
I can see you're silent on my question, which is:

Is Holy spirit a separate thing from Jehovah Himself?
I hope you get the desired response or DIVERSION comes in as usual.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 10:37pm On May 30, 2020
AYE! cheesy
Emusan:
Even the matter makes you laugh too.....

I guess it's "the light getting brighter" method your brother is using here too.

As organization as followers!
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 10:37pm On May 30, 2020
Matthew 7:7 cheesy
Emusan:
I can see you're silent on my question, which is:

Is Holy spirit a separate thing from Jehovah Himself?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 10:48am On May 31, 2020
Happy Sunday to you all.Very knowledgeable people
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 10:54am On May 31, 2020
achorladey:
I hope you get the desired response or DIVERSION comes in as usual.
As usual, you can see his respond with Matt 7:7
And one will begin to wonder, how Matt 7:7 related with my question...
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 11:16am On May 31, 2020
Emusan:
As usual, you can see his respond with Matt 7:7

And one will begin to wonder, how Matt 7:7 related with my question...
Keep asking! wink
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 11:32am On May 31, 2020
Emusan:
The lying liar mouth doesn't have a single shame.

Imagine someone who openly said that The old men didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong, then shifted to TRANSLATION mislead Russell, again to Yes! Russell worshipping Jesus was only TO GIVE JESUS RESPECT. and finally to last nonsense up there.

This is to show you the actual spirit working in them, which is the spirit of their father the Devil.
You are yet to show where he claimed Jesus is his God ? Shame on you
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 11:35am On May 31, 2020
freshboi88:
There's no correlation from the verse u quoted to ur affirmation. Can u be more unambiguous
There is big correlation , it says Sin against God is weighty than sin against men. Which proves God has far greater authority than man.

Holy spirit as a person is Greater than Jesus going by the Fact that sin against Jesus is a small thing compared to sin against Holy spirit . deal with it.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 11:37am On May 31, 2020
freshboi88:
U must be deluded. The spirit is separate from the body. When Jesus died, the bible made us understand that his spirit went to preach to spirits in prison. It means while the body was in the grave, his spirit was active...even to the extent of preaching........

If Jesus's spirit is a force how come he was able to teach even when his body was lying in the grave.

See how the bible exposes u
Eccl 12:7 Spirit return to God after death.

Jesus spirit returned to the Father Luke 23:46.

Again I ask: How many persons know the day and hour , ? Freshboi88 or Jesus who lied ?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 11:43am On May 31, 2020
Peacefullove:
Eccl 12:7 Spirit return to God after death.

Jesus spirit returned to the Father Luke 23:46.

Again I ask: How many persons know the day and hour , ? Freshboi88 or Jesus who lied ?
18For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.

19After being made alive, d he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—

So what went to preach to imprisoned spirit....the answer to this question is the key to Ur delusion
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 11:46am On May 31, 2020
Peacefullove:
There is big correlation , it says Sin against God is weighty than sin against men. Which proves God has far greater authority than man.

Holy spirit as a person is Greater than Jesus going by the Fact that sin against Jesus is a small thing compared to sin against Holy spirit . deal with it.
Making baseless comparison, that's Ur own interpretation.....show me scripture says sin against the holy spirit means holy spirit is greater than Jehovah
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 11:47am On May 31, 2020
Emusan:
And what is your point here?
A materialized Jesus appear after Hus ressurection not a fully human.

Hypocrite!

It's enough prove because you know the rest are against your lies.
That single one exposes others as fraud.

So why praying to Jesus if Jesus isn't his God?
" Although we are nowhere instructed to make petitions to him, " - Russell.

He admit this , How would a person said He is no where instructed to make petition to his God ?

Show me where he claimed Jesus is his God ??

So funny how you people dance around like headless chicken. Now, it's YOUR and OUR

The Bible says, "...and the word was God" & "Thy throne Oh God..."
John 20:17 My GOD and * YOUR GOD

The YOUR is important for me to see. Anyone can be called *GOD* , Even humans are called GODS , BUT the designation " OUR GOD " showing total submission to a supreme being is not applied to anyone else from the Father.


Jesus is never called OUR GOD. Emusan so you can't find anywhere Jesus Is called our God. Yeye grin

After your blatant lying mouth was exposed you still have gut to open your mouth to spew nonsense.

From Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong to IT WAS JUST A RESPECT now you have shifted the blame on those after Russell to "If he knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it to mean Jesus is his God." when you noticed that it was on the same basis that watchtower society change their doctrines and even admitted that they were actually wrong.

Just different lies from the same lying mouth.

When you even realize that Russell also Prayed to Jesus.

The attached is still there for you....oni ro buruku!
Daniel was worshipped yet was never called anyone's God. If that can be correct, someone who also uses worship in the same respect for Jesus is also correct. But if that word is wrong to have been used for Daniel, Its also wrong for Jesus WHOM RUSELL Admit is a creation like Daniel. Neither did he call Jesus his God. This is where correction comes in, they didn't know its wrong to apply worship to someone that's not God. So its not a sin , it would have been a different ball game if We find evidence him saying Jesus his HIS GOD. I promise you won't find any
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 11:47am On May 31, 2020
freshboi88:
Making baseless comparison, that's Ur own interpretation.....show me scripture says sin against the holy spirit means holy spirit is greater than Jehovah
Holy spirit is Greater than Jesus. Deal with it. Unless holy spirit is not a person
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 11:53am On May 31, 2020
freshboi88:
18For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but MADE ALIVE in the Spirit.

19After being made alive, d he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—

So what went to preach to imprisoned spirit....the answer to this question is the key to Ur delusion
are you saying the bible contradict itself ..??

Live and direct it says Jesus spirit return to the Father ( Luke 23:46, Ecc 12:7 )

What returned is a force . not Jesus himself.


So bringing the question again: Is the holy spirit a person meaning Two persons know and Jesus lied OR Holy spirit is a force/power from the only one person that know ?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 11:54am On May 31, 2020
freshboi88:
Dnt mind them, I have hook them on holy spirit is a force lie, they have no where else to turn to
so Jesus is lying that one person knows when there are two persons ?? grin grin
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 12:01pm On May 31, 2020
Peacefullove:
so Jesus is lying that one person knows when there are two persons ?? grin grin
He always jubilatile over his failure! cheesy

When there is nothing to show for all his arguments, let their arguments unite them for fine works first! smiley
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