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Peacefullove:
are you saying the bible contradict itself ..??

Live and direct it says Jesus spirit return to the Father ( Luke 23:46, Ecc 12:7 )

What returned is a force . not Jesus himself.


So bringing the question again: Is the holy spirit a person meaning Two persons know and Jesus lied OR Holy spirit is a force/power from the only one person that know ?

U keep running around the truth like a headless chicken

1 pet 3:18-19


18For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but MADE ALIVE in the Spirit.

19After being made alive, d he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—

So what went to preach to imprisoned spirit....the answer to this question is the key to Ur delusion

Peacefullove:
Holy spirit is Greater than Jesus. Deal with it. Unless holy spirit is not a person

There's no scriptural backing to this statement, DOA

Peacefullove:
A materialized Jesus appear after Hus ressurection not a fully human.



That single one exposes others as fraud.



" Although we are nowhere instructed to make petitions to him, " - Russell.

He admit this , How would a person said He is no where instructed to make petition to his God ?

Show me where he claimed Jesus is his God ??



John 20:17 My GOD and * YOUR GOD

The YOUR is important for me to see. Anyone can be called *GOD* , Even humans are called GODS , BUT the designation " OUR GOD " showing total submission to a supreme being is not applied to anyone else from the Father.


Jesus is never called OUR GOD. Emusan so you can't find anywhere Jesus Is called our God. Yeye



Daniel was worshipped yet was never called anyone's God. If that can be correct, someone who also uses worship in the same respect for Jesus is also correct. But if that word is wrong to have been used for Daniel, Its also wrong for Jesus WHOM RUSELL Admit is a creation like Daniel. Neither did he call Jesus his God. This is where correction comes in, they didn't know its wrong to apply worship to someone that's not God. So its not a sin , it would have been a different ball game if We find evidence him saying Jesus his HIS GOD. I promise you won't find any

From Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong to IT WAS JUST A RESPECT now you have shifted the blame on those after Russell to "If he knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it to mean Jesus is his God."

When you noticed that it was on the same basis that watchtower society change their doctrines and even admitted that they were actually wrong.


Just different lies from the same lying mouth.

Emusan:
From Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong to IT WAS JUST A RESPECT now you have shifted the blame on those after Russell to "If he knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it to mean Jesus is his God."

When you noticed that it was on the same basis that watchtower society change their doctrines and even admitted that they were actually wrong.


Just different lies from the same lying mouth.

Mr man, show me where he ever claimed Jesus is his God ?


And am expecting you to show me where Jesus is called OUR GOD. U never see am?

freshboi88:
There's no scriptural backing to this statement, DOA

Where is it written that sin against Jesus can be forgiven BUt not sin against holy spirit ?? Not in the bible ?

Sin against Boss. And sin against Employee, which is weightier ?


Sense is far from you

So far holy spirit is a person, he is greater than Jesus. Deal with it

freshboi88:
U keep running around the truth like a headless chicken

1 pet 3:18-19


18For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but MADE ALIVE in the Spirit.

19After being made alive, d he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—

So what went to preach to imprisoned spirit....the answer to this question is the key to Ur delusion

The verse didnt support your stance . but I won't explain Nada for you.


Does the bible contradict itself then... It says Jesus spirit return to His Father. Does it contradict itself ?

Your low thinking is manifesting itself.


So far u claim holy spirit is a person, it means Jesus lied only the Father knows .

Peacefullove:
Mr man, show me where he ever claimed Jesus is his God ?

From Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong to IT WAS JUST A RESPECT now you have shifted the blame on those after Russell to "If he knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it to mean Jesus is his God."

When you noticed that it was on the same basis that watchtower society change their doctrines and even admitted that they were actually wrong.

Just different lies from the same lying mouth.

Emusan:
From Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong to IT WAS JUST A RESPECT now you have shifted the blame on those after Russell to "If he knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it to mean Jesus is his God."

When you noticed that it was on the same basis that watchtower society change their doctrines and even admitted that they were actually wrong.

Just different lies from the same lying mouth.

You said I lied but can't produce where that man ever claimed Jesus is his God. Are u okay ? I doubt


Provide where Jesus is called OUR GOD ??

Peacefullove:
You said I lied but can't produce where that man ever claimed Jesus is his God. Are u okay ? I doubt


Provide where Jesus is called OUR GOD ??

From Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong to IT WAS JUST A RESPECT now you have shifted the blame on those after Russell to "If he knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it to mean Jesus is his God."

When you noticed that it was on the same basis that watchtower society change their doctrines and even admitted that they were actually wrong.

Just different lies from the same lying mouth.

Emusan:
From Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong to IT WAS JUST A RESPECT now you have shifted the blame on those after Russell to "If he knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it to mean Jesus is his God."

When you noticed that it was on the same basis that watchtower society change their doctrines and even admitted that they were actually wrong.

Just different lies from the same lying mouth.

The lying mouth that said Jesus is our God but can't prove it ? Very interesting that u ended this way . continue your copy and paste.

Peacefullove:
The verse didnt support your stance . but I won't explain Nada for you.


Does the bible contradict itself then... It says Jesus spirit return to His Father. Does it contradict itself ?

Your low thinking is manifesting itself.


So far u claim holy spirit is a person, it means Jesus lied only the Father knows .

I dnt c any contradiction

U r meant to ask urself the question u r asking me, u say Jesus's spirit returned to the Father, Peter said no, he went to preach to spirits in prison.


As a good bible student, u r meant to ask how does a force preach to spirits in prison or even how can force even be imprisoned.

But Ur deceitful self would not....keep running around in circles, while the truth keeps staring at u in d face.... hahahaha...u r a learner

Peacefullove:
Where is it written that sin against Jesus can be forgiven BUt not sin against holy spirit ?? Not in the bible ?

Sin against Boss. And sin against Employee, which is weightier ?


Sense is far from you

So far holy spirit is a person, he is greater than Jesus. Deal with it

The bible makes no such comparison. If it does show me

Peacefullove:
are you saying the bible contradict itself ..??

Live and direct it says Jesus spirit return to the Father ( Luke 23:46, Ecc 12:7 )

What returned is a force . not Jesus himself.


So bringing the question again: Is the holy spirit a person meaning Two persons know and Jesus lied OR Holy spirit is a force/power from the only one person that know ?

So which one went to preach to spirits in prison.....first thing first how force the enter prison?......hahahaha ... Force in prison

freshboi88:
So which one went to preach to spirits in prison.....first thing first how force the enter prison?......hahahaha ... Force in prison

Jesus said His spirit return to his Father not prison .. Does your Bible contradicts itself ?

freshboi88:
The bible makes no such comparison. If it does show me

U lied - by saying Sin against Jesus can be forgiven but not holy spirit. That's a COMPARISON between both . So far Holy spirit is a person. Its greater than Jesus. Deal with it

Peacefullove:
U lied - by saying Sin against Jesus can be forgiven but not holy spirit. That's a COMPARISON between both . So far Holy spirit is a person. Its greater than Jesus. Deal with it

In which verse did the bible say so?.........

If u sin against my elder he will forgive you, but if u try me, I no dey forgive person o....

How does this statement equate to me been greater than my brother........your village people don finally use Ur brain do pepper soup

Peacefullove:
Jesus said His spirit return to his Father not prison .. Does your Bible contradicts itself ?

U answer the question. Read it again....


1 pet 3:18 Christ suffered for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit.

19 So he went and preached to the spirits in prison

Dead physically, alive in the spirit.....The very fact that the word Life is associated with Spirit ridicules your whole Spirit is a force doctrine.

After been made alive in the spirit he went to preach to imprisoned spirit

Peacefullove you cannot abandon scripture that goes against what your governing body has told u. Questions a right thinking individual should ask is?

1. How can Jesus's spirit be alive when his body is residing in the grave

2. How is it possible to imprison a spirit that's not alive but a force.


Your claim all spirits(force) go to Jehovah when people die

Now see this verse that ridicules that false doctrine.

Acts 7:59 As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit

Questions

1. Why is Stephen appealing to Jesus to receive his spirit not Jehovah as u pple teach

2. Does this mean Jehovah is Jesus?

Emusan:
From Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong to IT WAS JUST A RESPECT now you have shifted the blame on those after Russell to "If he knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it to mean Jesus is his God."

When you noticed that it was on the same basis that watchtower society change their doctrines and even admitted that they were actually wrong.

Just different lies from the same lying mouth.

Like those in Christendom, the early Bible Students mistakenly allowed their love for Jesus to overshadow their relationship with Jehovah. Beginning in 1919, however, they came to see that Jehovah and their relationship with him should be the focus of their worship. We can be thankful that we understand that our affection for Jesus is key to having a relationship with Jehovah. We must attach neither too much nor too little importance to our love for Jesus.​—John 16:27.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-april-2020/I-Have-Called-You-Friends/



One will ask since their FOCUS of worship was for JEHOVAH beginning from 1919. Who was their FOCUS of worship from 1800--------1918?

Since JESUS IS KEY to having relationship with GOD, one will further ask do other Christians they JUDGE as CHRISTENDOM don't know JESUS? or JESUS is a PROPERTY of JWs whereby they have SOLE OWNERSHIP?

freshboi88:
U answer the question. Read it again....


1 pet 3:18 Christ suffered for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit.

19 So he went and preached to the spirits in prison

Dead physically, alive in the spirit.....The very fact that the word Life is associated with Spirit ridicules your whole Spirit is a force doctrine.

After been made alive in the spirit he went to preach to imprisoned spirit

Peacefullove you cannot abandon scripture that goes against what your governing body has told u. Questions a right thinking individual should ask is?

1[b]. How can Jesus's spirit be alive when his body is residing in the grave

2. How is it possible to imprison a spirit that's not alive but a force.


Your claim all spirits(force) go to Jehovah when people die

Now see this verse that ridicules that false doctrine.

Acts 7:59 As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit

Questions

1. Why is Stephen appealing to Jesus to receive his spirit not Jehovah as u pple teach

2. Does this mean Jehovah is Jesus?
[/b]

PASTORPRENEURS' JUNK & STUPIDITY BLOCK your brain....& ERASE Your SENSE.

So , your almighty God died on earth ?

Even though Jesus Christ himself spoke to you in Revelations 3:5,12 & John 7:16.
1 Cor11:1,3 & 3:23, Paul says himself copies Jesus Christ.
Freshboi no agree with Paul and Jesus Christ but him believe FRAUDULENT version of Titus 2:13.


See the Screenshot....

achorladey:
Like those in Christendom, the early Bible Students mistakenly allowed their love for Jesus to overshadow their relationship with Jehovah. Beginning in 1919, however, they came to see that Jehovah and their relationship with him should be the focus of their worship. We can be thankful that we understand that our affection for Jesus is key to having a relationship with Jehovah. We must attach neither too much nor too little importance to our love for Jesus.​—John 16:27.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-april-2020/I-Have-Called-You-Friends/



One will ask since their FOCUS of worship was for JEHOVAH beginning from 1919. Who was their FOCUS of worship from 1800--------1918?

Since JESUS IS KEY to having relationship with GOD, one will further ask do other Christians they JUDGE as CHRISTENDOM don't know JESUS? or JESUS is a PROPERTY of JWs whereby they have SOLE OWNERSHIP?

You can even see their demonic organization blaming people for what they are teaching people.

Imagine if the early Bible students MISTAKENLY allowed their love for Jesus to OVERSHADOW their relationship with Jehovah. Then we can ask:

1. Who inspired this LOVE OF CHRIST to the extent of OVERSHADOWING their relationship with Jehovah?

2. Will Jesus ever allow people to love Him so much that the same love of Christ begins to affect believers' relationship with the Father? If such ever happened, then it means the house is divided against itself?

3. Can Jehovah ever allow people to love His son so much that the love they have for Him will begin to create problem for the relationship with Him?

One will then begin to wonder what sort of God will inspire such confusion!

Janosky:
PASTORPRENEURS' JUNK & STUPIDITY BLOCK your brain....& ERASE Your SENSE.

So , your almighty God died on earth ?

Even though Jesus Christ himself spoke to you in Revelations 3:5,12 & John 7:16.
1 Cor11:1,3 & 3:23, Paul says himself copies Jesus Christ.
Freshboi no agree with Paul and Jesus Christ but him believe FRAUDULENT version of Titus 2:13.


See the Screenshot....

Janosky want make I believe fraudulent translation with inconsistencies.

NWT fraud...................how many saviour we come get?


Titus 2:13 - New World Translation of The Holy Scriptures

Titus 2:13
while we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of [the] Savior of us, Christ Jesus,

See the same NWT

Isaiah 43:11 - New World Translation of The Holy Scriptures

Isaiah 43:11
I-I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.'


So how many savior we get?

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freshboi88:
U answer the question. Read it again....

I expected an Answer because Jesus himself said his spirit return to his Father.
And eccl 12 vs 10 backed it up saying spirit return to God. But we know the spirit of Jesus that return to his Father is not Jesus himself. - John 20:17

1 pet 3:18 Christ suffered for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit.

Raise to life means Ressurection. The verse didnt say while he was dead. Is your brain even working ?

19 So he went and preached to the spirits in prison

You will get burnt, the spirits in prison are angels not dead humans . dead human spirit is breath of life.

Dead physically, alive in the spirit.....The very fact that the word Life is associated with Spirit ridicules your whole Spirit is a force doctrine.

After been made alive in the spirit he went to preach to imprisoned spirit

.who are those spirits that are imprisoned .. Dead human spirits ?

Peacefullove you cannot abandon scripture that goes against what your governing body has told u. Questions a right thinking individual should ask is?

1. How can Jesus's spirit be alive when his body is residing in the grave

After he was raised to LIFE( Resurrected as a Spirit being ) Go back and read, this time u can use your glasses.

2. How is it possible to imprison a spirit that's not alive but a force.

The spirits imprisoned are not dead humans but angels.

Your claim all spirits(force) go to Jehovah when people die

Now see this verse that ridicules that false doctrine.

Acts 7:59 As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit

Questions

1. Why is Stephen appealing to Jesus to receive his spirit not Jehovah as u pple teach

2. Does this mean Jehovah is Jesus?

When it says the spirit returned to Jesus . Call me. Is Eccl 12:10 still in your bible ? I doubt.

freshboi88:
In which verse did the bible say so?.........

If u sin against my elder he will forgive you, but if u try me, I no dey forgive person o....

How does this statement equate to me been greater than my brother........your village people don finally use Ur brain do pepper soup

U can be penalized for your lack of forgiveness, its a weakness on your part because God oppose such humans. But did God oppose holy spirit for the non forgiveness ? That's the powerful authority this supposed person have over Jesus and other humans who are to forgive


Come back and make that analogy when its clear you can't be penalized for your lack of forgiveness.

freshboi88:
So which one went to preach to spirits in prison.....first thing first how force the enter prison?......hahahaha ... Force in prison

The second issue is still on ground - If holy spirit is a person, it means Jesus lied only one person knows when there are Two persons. Can Jesus lie ?

Peacefullove:
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I expected an Answer because Jesus himself said his spirit return to his Father.
And eccl 12 vs 10 backed it up saying spirit return to God. But we know the spirit of Jesus that return to his Father is not Jesus himself. - John 20:17




Raise to life means Ressurection. The verse didnt say while he was dead. Is your brain even working ?



You will get burnt, the spirits in prison are angels not dead humans . dead human spirit is breath of life.


.who are those spirits that are imprisoned .. Dead human spirits ?



After he was raised to LIFE( Resurrected as a Spirit being ) Go back and read, this time u can use your glasses.



The spirits imprisoned are not dead humans but angels.




When it says the spirit returned to Jesus . Call me. Is Eccl 12:10 still in your bible ? I doubt.

Fool...read chapter 1 Peter 3:20 and see how u r exposing Ur ignorance on social media.....hahahahhaha....angels?....y would angels be imprisoned?....does that even make sense to. Do u guys just spew any garbage that enter into your head

19 After being made alive, d he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,

The spirit imprisoned my Bible tells me that they were those who were disobedient during the time of Noah.

Read Ur bible to stop spewing garbage you will not hear. Do u still think the spirits are angels?

freshboi88:
Fool...read chapter 1 Peter 3:20 and see how u r exposing Ur ignorance on social media.....hahahahhaha....angels?....y would angels be imprisoned?....does that even make sense to. Do u guys just spew any garbage that enter into your head

19 After being made alive, d he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,

The spirit imprisoned my Bible tells me that they were those who were disobedient during the time of Noah.

Read Ur bible to stop spewing garbage you will not hear. Do u still think the spirits are angels?

Am happy we arrive here . Disgracing you is a good thing since you have refuse to learn normally.


It says those who were disobedient in the days of Noah.

Unless the bible contradict , Those who died in the days of Noah are not in hell, so how could they be the one in prison ?

Peacefullove:
Am happy we arrive here . Disgracing you is a good thing since you have refuse to learn normally.


It says those who were disobedient in the days of Noah.

Unless the bible contradict , Those who died in the days of Noah are not in hell, so how could they be the one in prison ?

Ur question doesn't make sense. What are u saying..... Be ambiguous....did I shake u so much that u cannot construct sentences properly

Peacefullove:
The second issue is still on ground - If holy spirit is a person, it means Jesus lied only one person knows when there are Two persons. Can Jesus lie ?

I don kill Janosky for this matter read my post on this

Peacefullove:
U can be penalized for your lack of forgiveness, its a weakness on your part because God oppose such humans. But did God oppose holy spirit for the non forgiveness ? That's the powerful authority this supposed person have over Jesus and other humans who are to forgive


Come back and make that analogy when its clear you can't be penalized for your lack of forgiveness.

All this your gibberish is your interpretation. It's not scriptural. The scripture is our standard not Ur thoughts.

A dog cannot give birth to a goat. That's what u r trying to do. No matter how u force it, it is simply not scripture but Ur analogy

freshboi88:
I don kill Janosky for this matter read my post on this

Bros, You be murderer?

Triune Pagan deity devotee wey Dey challenge Jesus Christ!
You can't do NOTHING with your FRESH GIBBERISH

Emusan:
From Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong to IT WAS JUST A RESPECT now you have shifted the blame on those after Russell to "If he knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it to mean Jesus is his God."

The point made is VERY VALID and FACTUAL.
Bros you REFUSED to get SENSE

Na today the English speaking world began using the Wycliffe & KJV Bibles?
We are talking as far back as the 1300s/1500s....(Oga ,go and do the Maths )

Since the very day the Wycliffe & KJV Bibles came out of the printing press, that Hebrews 1:6 FRAUD have been MISLEADING the English speaking world for so many centuries.

Matthew 4:10 Jesus Christ says Yahweh NEVER commanded anybody to worship Jesus

The Hebrews 1:6 FRAUD was EXPOSED for what it is when Bible Scholars and koine Greek studies understood the correct meaning of Greek Proskuneo

Janosky:
The point made is VERY VALID and FACTUAL.
Bros you REFUSED to get SENSE

Na today the English speaking world began using the Wycliffe & KJV Bibles?
We are talking as far back as the 1300s/1500s....(Oga ,go and do the Maths )

Since the very day the Wycliffe & KJV Bibles came out of the printing press, that Hebrews 1:6 FRAUD have been MISLEADING the English speaking world for so many centuries.

Before I round up with you, which particular part is VALID and FACTUAL to you?

From these four different cases from one twisting lying mouth person....

1. Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to have worshipped Jesus.

2. Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong.

3. Worship of Jesus WAS JUST A RESPECT given to Christ.

4. If he (Russell) knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it (worship of Jesus Christ) to mean Jesus is his God.

ADDED: I remember your deluded brother also claimed on this thread that Wycliffe and Tyndale were good Bible students. But when I pointed out the rendition of both Wycliffe and Tyndale Bible of John 1:1 he went deaf completely.