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Maximus69:
There is no need to argue on this Sir!

Jesus set the standard we are following, when Mary (his mother) Joseph-junior, James, Jude and Simon (his four blood brothers from the same mother) came to where he was preaching, an individual called Jesus' attention perhaps to honour their presence. Jesus said about his own relatives "who is my mother and who are my brothers?" then extending his hands to those listening to his preaching his said "look my mothers, brothers, father's and sisters, whoever does the will of the one who sent me is my brother and sister and father" Matthew 12:46-49

Why does the NWT refer to Jesus As God in Isaiah 9:6 ?

And

a god in John 1:1

Why the confusion?.....

Maximus69:
Freshboi88 is arrogant and insulting, loves to argue with JWs but respond respectfully, he will start insulting you and at the same time demanding answers to his questions simply because you honour him!

I told him to apologise for the insults but he refused so i stopped responding to his questions!

I even feel like I belittled myself engaging him cos he's obviously not open to critical religious thinking.

Narijoel:
If reporting this makes you feel better, well done
Because I never saw where the OP claimed in his post that some so called JWs that you may know would never be wayward.

Was the blood transfusion doctrine really reversed by the JW organisation?

freshboi88:
What is not clear about my statement and questions madam.

You said one of the most important commandment Jesus gave was that y'all should go out preaching the word of God.

Then I quoted James 1:3

That says not many of you should be teachers because teachers would be judged with a stricter judgement.

Doesn't it mean, Ur organisation is making y'all teachers thereby condemning some of u to hell?

Was Jesus contravening his own command when he allowed all his disciples both male and female to preach and teach from door to door?

All of us preach and teach others

1x2x3:
I even feel like I belittled myself engaging him cos he's obviously not open to critical religious thinking.

I have not insulted u, I only showed u scripture n you have become uncomfortable.

We are Jehovah’s Witnesses, we do our best to apply what the bible teaches in our daily lives, though it’s not always easy, but with persistence in adhering to the teachings of Christ, we become matured Christians who through the study of the bible is able to distinguish both right and wrong. Some of you are pointing to a few Witnesses you know who is practicing something wrong, you should know that no religion on earth can boast of having a 100% dedicated and faithful worshippers; we only pray that in time, these ones will find their footing in the Christian Faith. As regards those who go to heaven to rule with Christ over those on the earth, it is only Jehovah and his Son Jesus Christ who select these ones and they have a role to play in the outworking of God’s purpose for mankind to live in peace and security, a life where death will be no more, not even sickness or disease of whatever kind. The majority of mankind will receive the gift of everlasting life on earth. While those in heaven will rule over them because they are kings and priest to our God. Blood transfusion is a no for the life of every living thing is in its blood. If bloodless surgery cannot save me and I die, I have hope that I have kept the faith till death and I’ll be resurrected to life everlasting when this earth is turned into a paradise. Death does not end my life, because I will definitely live again. Instead of putting faith in musa’s blood to save my life temporarily, I’ll rather put faith in Jesus shed blood which paid the price for my sins and gave me the opportunity to have a clean standing before God and man. I wasn’t born a JW, I embraced the faith...and there is nothing in this world that can separate from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus as preached to me by the JW’s. And I must say I have never lived a better life until I became one of the witnesses. I live a simple life without much pressure. My father died in 2002 and while on the hospital bed, he was given blood because my family isn’t a witness family, and then I wasn’t a witness, but still he died in that hospital from what the doctors called haemorrhage. Blood did not save him, point to note, I’m not undermining the fact that blood transfusion saves life temporarily, but what if that was just another crime against God? I’m not trying to convince anyone , I’m just happy to be a JW.

1Sharon:
You have no answer, just run along.

Follow follow sheep.

Have a nice day!

ImaIma1:
Your analysis doesn't even match.

It's only JW that interpret those Bible passages that they readily cite as not donating blood. And give reasons like...it is not safe or a guarantee that the person will get well. But won't you at least try if that will save the child? Rather than watching the child die.

Besides haven't the JW organisation reversed that doctrine? Doesn't it mean that it was just a doctrine and not a clear interpretation of the Bible?

Our faith inn God's word is unshakable!

Of course it's not a possession of all people! 2Thessalonians 3:2

Narijoel:
Nice storyline, I might need your assistance to write some captivating fictional stories

Voltron.

But it's true now. That's how I get them of my doorstep

1x2x3:
I would advise you to focus on whatever you believe in. JW would rather focus on what they believe in or they would rather focus on teaching you but would never criticise or call any denomination hypocrite........... You see the difference?

We believe the scripture as the Word of God, our standard. The scripture says Jesus is God, you say he is not. On what basis did u make that statement.

Is it scriptural, or what u were told?.....

We cannot just believe what we want to believe, the bible is our guide, it's what holds the truth

joyandfaith:
patients or relatives must sign consent form before before receiving blood. it is standard practice transfusion medicine worldwide. is blood transfusion safe. answer is no. it is becoming safer does not mean it is safe. DO NOT TELL ME BLOOD IS SAFE?
all forms of treatment including surgeries or medication have their complications or adverse effects. nothing is really safe in medicine. that is why we have concept of patient-centred healthcare on deviation from past doctor- centred care.

Stop lying. They don't sign shit, the patient is simply informed orally. No paperwork is needed.

Blood transfusions are safe! Did you even read the links you sent to me??

Show me where it's stated that transfusions are becoming safer and not ALREADY safe?

Since you agree that nothing is 100% safe why do JW pick on blood transfusions only?

Why do JW bother getting medical treatment at all? Why not pray in your house, since SAFETY seems to be your main issue?

You lot are just hypocrites.

Maximus69:
Our faith inn God's word is unshakable!

Of course it's not a possession of all people! 2Thessalonians 3:2

Was the blood transfusion doctrine reversed by the organisation?

mitchyy:
I don't spend my time with someone who cannot discuss maturedly without the use of insults. My time is highly valuable. Highly

But I have not insulted u. This comment was meant for Maximus69. I am surprised he tarnished my image n u believed him. U know I have not been insultive.

So why take his side, is it because he is a fellow JW. That's some form of favouritism u know

Franklyspeakin:
Hmmm so oyibo Jehovah's witness they carry bag , up and down too??

you sef weak abi?

American rapper Hopson, on his ill mind seven track said 'next time when the Jehovah's witness come knocking, I am slamming the door' na that day I realize

freshboi88:
Why does the NWT refer to Jesus As God in Isaiah 9:6 ?

And

a god in John 1:1

Why the confusion?.....

Just apologize first and we can continue our discussion, now you can see what i've been trying to tell you.

JWs hate arguing but we accommodate friendly discussion, so if you want me to continue responding to your questions just apologize for your rudeness and we will surely continue discussing friendly my guy!

explosiveskull:
And muslims said that Jesus was a muslim, so which one we go believe?

Since this has to do with life, don't you think it is wise and important for you to examine the evidence? That was what I did and I found out that the Jehovah's Witnesses were right before I took my stand.

Re: Five (5) Misconceptions About Jehovah's Witnesses. by jeff1993: 10:08am
I remember when I was in Ss3 ... I had this beautiful class mate of mine called Uchechi ...she was a very funny and lively girl and she was a Witness.

One fateful day she had an accident on her way to write NECO exam .... She lost a lot of blood and was the hospital requested for blood transfusion but the parents refused ... Everyday we went to the hospital we literally watched our classmate tether on the brink of death just because of a stupid manmade ideology.

Our principal had to involve social service authorities from the local govt and when they intervened, they took over the case and called the senior brother who was in another state to come and donate blood since the parents were adamant.

That was how Uchechi's life was saved but the unity of their family was never saved because she quitted the church when she went to Uni and her parents kind of partially disowned her.
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That's the problem with not properly understanding the bible.that girl would have died just because of the foolishness of believing rubbish.

Practicing religion doesn't mean u throw common sense away,Jehovah has no problem with medical science.

I lov the witnesses ,but on the blood transfusion thing ,they r so wrong.Although in general they are good people though[color=#990000][/color]

ImaIma1:
Was the blood transfusion doctrine reversed by the organisation?

NO!

ImaIma1:
Your analysis doesn't even match.

It's only JW that interpret those Bible passages that they readily cite as not donating blood. And give reasons like...it is not safe or a guarantee that the person will get well. But won't you at least try if that will save the child? Rather than watching the child die.

Besides haven't the JW organisation reversed that doctrine? Doesn't it mean that it was just a doctrine and not a clear interpretation of the Bible?

Do you really love God when you cherry pick His Laws you would obey at your convenience?

Investnow2017:
Well, Jehovah's Witnesses refusal to take blood transfusion is not so much because it is unsafe, it is because that practice contravenes God's law on the use of blood. God specifically commanded that his servants must not eat blood. Blood must not be misused. At Genesis chapter nine verse three and four, God was very clear - don't eat blood. Genesis 9:3,4.
When he gave the Mosaic law, he re-emphasized that the only proper use of blood is for atonement (sacrifice), that blood must not be eaten but should be poured into the dust if an animal was slaughtered to be eaten. Read Leviticus chapter 17:13-16
In the Christian era, it was again emphasised that Christians should abstain from blood. So how should Christians abstain from blood? When we considered God's law on how blood was to be handled or used we understood that we must not eat blood. Whether or not safe, Christians must abstain from blood transfusion. Blood Transfusion amounts to improper use of blood. Please read Acts chapter 15:28,29.
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Ok. Your fellow witness main issue seems to be safety.

And I hope you know taking blood intravenously is different from eating

freshboi88:
Why does the NWT refer to Jesus As God in Isaiah 9:6 ?

And

a god in John 1:1

Why the confusion?.....

Stop confusing yourself sir.

The first thing to understand is the JW believe there are multiple Gods. Jesus is A God, but not God Almighty. This verse is actually used to separate Jesus Christ from Jehovah.

At Isaiah 9:6 Jesus Christ is prophetically called ʼEl Gib·bohrʹ, “Mighty God” (not ʼEl Shad·daiʹ [God Almighty], which is applied to Jehovah at Genesis 17:1)."

Jesus Christ is "Mighty God" Jehovah is "God Almighty" Almighty is clearly a higher title than simply Mighty, which could include anybody who is considered Mighty, and a God, as JW consider Jesus.


Do you have more questions?

ImaIma1:
Was the blood transfusion doctrine really reversed by the JW organisation?

You should known the answer to this simple question and many more if you don't do your quoted statement below. Why do think a public forum is the best place to learn from JWs? It never is.

Voltron.

But it's true now. That's how I get them of my doorstep

Franklyspeakin:
Hmmm so oyibo Jehovah's witness they carry bag , up and down too??

They're everywhere!

Investnow2017:
Well, Jehovah's Witnesses refusal to take blood transfusion is not so much because it is unsafe, it is because that practice contravenes God's law on the use of blood. God specifically commanded that his servants must not eat blood. Blood must not be misused. At Genesis chapter nine verse three and four, God was very clear - don't eat blood. Genesis 9:3,4.
When he gave the Mosaic law, he re-emphasized that the only proper use of blood is for atonement (sacrifice), that blood must not be eaten but should be poured into the dust if an animal was slaughtered to be eaten. Read Leviticus chapter 17:13-16
In the Christian era, it was again emphasised that Christians should abstain from blood. So how should Christians abstain from blood? When we considered God's law on how blood was to be handled or used we understood that we must not eat blood. Whether or not safe, Christians must abstain from blood transfusion. Blood Transfusion amounts to improper use of blood. Please read Acts chapter 15:28,29.
.

This is acts 15:28,29
Noting you said about blood transfusion can be consolidated here.

Franklyspeakin:
Hmmm so oyibo Jehovah's witness they carry bag , up and down too??

It is our practice all over the Earth - no matter who you are - rich or poor, male or female, educated or non educated, and no matter your responsibility in the organization. We all go preach the good news of God's incoming government.
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Maximus69:
Freshboi88 is arrogant and insulting, loves to argue with JWs but respond respectfully, he will start insulting you and at the same time demanding answers to his questions simply because you honour him!

I told him to apologise for the insults but he refused so i stopped responding to his questions!

Are I not the same person that called someone mumugus on a thread....now claiming peaceful.

You guys should not mind him jare!......I finished him on one thread, so he now goes about spoiling my name. I am his worst nightmare

freshboi88:
But I have not insulted u. This comment was meant for Maximus69. I am surprised he tarnished my image n u believed him. U know I have not been insultive.

So why take his side, is it because he is a fellow JW. That's some form of favouritism u know

I didn't even know he is a JW. Sorry about that

explosiveskull:
This is acts 15:28,29
Noting you said about blood transfusion can be consolidated here.

.... Did you not read "....."you are to abstain from blood"? In verse 28? Maybe you need to read it again please. It was the unanimous decision of the Apostles and elders in Jerusalem.
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freshboi88:
Are I not the same person that called someone mumugus on a thread....now claiming peaceful.

You guys should not mind him jare!......I finished him on one thread, so he now goes about spoiling my name. I am his worst nightmare

Charity begin at home Sir!

Everyone here will soon realize who you are and what you stand for!

freshboi88:
We believe the scripture as the Word of God, our standard. The scripture says Jesus is God, you say he is not. On what basis did u make that statement.

Is it scriptural, or what u were told?.....

We cannot just believe what we want to believe, the bible is our guide, it's what holds the truth

"Ye are gods"

Your misinterpretation is based on referring to God as Jehovah. You are totally wrong, God Almighty is Jehovah.

So when you say Jesus is God you sound correct but Jesus isn't God Almighty.

1x2x3:
Stop confusing yourself sir.

The first thing to understand is the JW believe there are multiple Gods. Jesus is A God, but not God Almighty. This verse is actually used to separate Jesus Christ from Jehovah.

At Isaiah 9:6 Jesus Christ is prophetically called ʼEl Gib·bohrʹ, “Mighty God” (not ʼEl Shad·daiʹ [God Almighty], which is applied to Jehovah at Genesis 17:1)."

Jesus Christ is "Mighty God" Jehovah is "God Almighty" Almighty is clearly a higher title than simply Mighty, which could include anybody who is considered Mighty, and a God, as JW consider Jesus.


Do you have more questions?

Kindly stop engaging that moniker, what you are even discussing with him is well known to him, he is just here to chase clout, not learn.
I fear your time and efforts will be wasted trying to reason with such person. We can only give him a chance offline.
Maximus69 would know better.

joyandfaith:
nobody is forcing you to be a witness. leave witnesses. go and marry from your church. you cannot claim to hate witnesses and be admiring their girls. being jehovah witnesses is reason why they are being admired by many. hypocrites. live and let live. shior!!tueh!!!

Now you are being delusional frankly, you are making a fool of yourself.
Who told you I hate witnesses? I hate the bullshit you teach and for your information, she is an adult who saw me as a partner even though she knows where my belief lies and that I can never change.It is her decision to choose who she falls in love with not your cult group. I will cause you more sefia pains so that you can go to the nearest distribution substation with omo water and wash a live power transformer.
You see am her world. Devil incarnate and enemy of progress.