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Olu317:
Well, the West Africa has no human fossil that's older than Morocco, Ethiopia...

These are the reasons you ought to study African history and bin the fake narratives of these foreign extremist religions.

Olu317:
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Which time amongst the era Egypt was invaded that Yoruba ever lived in Nile River ?

According to the historical evidence that's dated around 5,000 BCE, these events occured during the pre-colonial era.

The Mzungu first invasion into Egypt was around 800 BCE.

Olu317:
...even Israel.

Israel only began to exist as of 14th May 1948.

There's no evidence in world history that has a place called Israel anywhere on planet Earth prior to the above date.

Assuming you have such evidence, kindly submit it here.

Amujale:
These are the reasons you ought to study African history and bin the fake narratives of these foreign extremist religions.

There is nothing as such as studying African history independently because you're just not ready to read the truth.

Ethiopia is where ?

Morroco is where ?

Olu317:
So how is the migration from West to North Africa? ...

Due to the fact that:

1) Civilisation moved down the Nile.

2) Communities have been in existence in Eastern, Southern and West Africa prior to our migration to the Northern region of the continent.

For more information follow the link below.

https://www.nairaland.com/5795996/african-origin-civilisation

Amujale:
According to the historical evidence that's dated around 5,000 BCE, these events occured during the pre-colonial era.

The Mzungu first invasion into Egypt was around 800 BCE.

There is nothing of such as 800BCE as the first invasion of Egypt in the real scholarly account because, the most deadliest invasion of Egypt begun around the era of Assyrian expansion to dominate her environment, which has its record and the last invasion was Holocaust era.The first is around 67I BCE, which was Assyrian conquest.

In your account of Mzungu 800BCE invasion, can you proof it with Egyptian's Hierology ?

The earliest ruler of Moreo( Egypt) were Kush descendants and Ethiopia people. These people remained part of Egyptians history with archeological information.



Cheers.

Amujale:
Due to the fact that:

1) Civilisation moved up the Nile.

2) Communities have been in existence in Eastern, Southern and West Africa prior to our migration to the Norther hemisphere.

For more information follow the link below.

https://www.nairaland.com/5795996/african-origin-civilisation

Sorry , I have seen what you posted which has one of Yoruba's Artifacts, which are moulded/ constructed around 11/12/13 centuries. So, no evidence as far as I am concerned on world scene on Africa history.

Olu317:
There is nothing as such as studying African history independently because you're just not ready to read the truth.

Ethiopia is where ?

Morroco is where ?

Anyone who studies African history knows that both Ethiopia and Morrocco are in Africa.

Yet, the last time i checked, Morroco has been occupied by foreign communities far back as periods Before The Common Era leading into the first century CE.

That is to say, the Nubian communities that existed in the region of Morroco prior to Mzungu invasion, all migrated from elsewhere on the continent.

How else could the 'Out of Africa' experience have occured?

Ethiopia on the other hand is amomgst the communities who help create the Nile valley civilisation, but would later get indoctrinated into the same foreign extremist religions that exist there today.

Yet, this is strictly concerning the Yoruba and other Nigerians presence in the Nile Valley.

Amujale:
Anyone who studies African history knows that both Ethiopia and Morrocco are in Africa.

Yet, the last time i checked, Morroco has been occupied by foreign communities far back as periods Before The Common Era leading into the first century CE.

That is to say, the Nubian communities that existed in the region of Morroco prior to Mzungu invasion, all migrated from elsewhere on the continent.

How else could the 'Out of Africa' experience have occured?

Ethiopia on the other hand is amomgst the communities who help create the Nile valley civilisation, but would later get indoctrinated into the same foreign extremist religions that exist there today.

Yet, this is strictly concerning the Yoruba and other Nigerians presence in the Nile Valley.

Let us believe your story above but where did they migrated from else where in Africa.

Mind you, the place of creation js actually around Euphrates and Tigris river. This is what I strongly stand with because of reality on information.

I am not Afrocentric nor my ancestors. They lived in any place that was conducive, progressive,greener pasture and practising their Ifaodu religion.

Olu317:
Sorry , I have seen what you posted which has one of Yoruba's Artifacts, which are moulded/ constructed around 11/12/13 centuries. So, no evidence as far as I am concerned on world scene on Africa history.

You probably didn’t read these parts well.

Amujale:
Writing

Africans invented the concept of literacy.

According to Dr. Clyde Winters in his book The Ancient Black Civilizations of Asia, the oldest known form of writing developed between 5000 and 3000 BCE in the regions 'South of the Sahara', Africa; especially West Africa.

These writing system has come to be known as Proto-Saharan.

https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/1206560.Clyde_Winters

Olu317:
Let us believe your story above but where did they migrated from else where in Africa.

Mind you, the place of creation js actually around Euphrates and Tigris river.

That is nonsense.

Everyone who is anyone in academia knows that our ancestors migrated from Africa to populate the rest of the world.

Let me just point out to you that this thread isn’t concerned with foreign extremists ideologies.

You can take your false narratives elsewhere.

According to all the evidence, Humanity begins in Africa.

That isn’t merely an opinion but a matter of fact.

Amujale:
For me, to truly get understanding African history, certain conditions are to hold; one is to disregard rhetoric, hear say and all other anti-African discourse with regards to history.

Furthermore, to regard African history as genuine, If it isn’t written, deliberated-upon or judged by Africans to be correct and accurate beyond reasonable doubt, such writings that fit into these category must, for now, simply be deemed inadmissible.

That is to say, in a sense, most of the present Eurocentric and Asian discourse on African history will be deemed to be false and invalid.

The only true African history is that which is derived by an African(s), by default all other versions are false.

The discourse on European history is primarily exclusive to European writers.

The discourse on Asia’s history is primarily exclusive to Asian writers.

The discourse on Africa’s history is primarily badly concocted by European and Asian writers. This is where all of us (you and I) come in and repair the damage for the benefit of the next generations and our own overstanding.

Perhaps another good book to read is “The Destruction of Black Civilisation” by Chancellor Williams

Amujale:
That is nonsense.

Everyone who is anyone in academia knows that our ancestors migrated from Africa to populate the rest of the world.

Let me just point out to you that this thread isn’t concerned with foreign extremists ideologies.

You can take your false narratives elsewhere.

According to all the evidence, Humanity begins in Africa.

That isn’t merely an opinion but a matter of fact.

Let assume I am wrong but show me archeological information of human fossil in your so claim of West Africa. Secondly the IBO's Igbo Ukwu is even older than Yoruba's in terms of arrival or aboriginal to Niger Benue axis .Just imaging your perspective over well studied history? Any way, I rest my case.

Olu317:
...show me archeological information of human fossil in your so claim of West Africa.

The historians and material that was cited earlier is for us to read those books, research, study and learn.

Furthermore, there are numerous human fossils throughout West Africa and on the continent period.

The Iwo fossil, that archeoligical find, dates 9250 BCE.

Olu317:
They are not bro. You can google picture of all Yoruba scarification. Beside, there are Yoruba descendants who don't wear scarification on their faces, except if one is abiku linked. I am sure Ileife art work has prove such exist at one time in that cosmopolitan city....



Cheers

It depends on what time period.

The mark on the Nubian on left with turban is same with themark on the girl and this fella pictured second below.

This mark - the 6 whiskers - is either Gobir/Yauri, Igala/Yagba.

Because it has Gombo with it Im leaning more towards Igala/Yagba, against Gobir/Yauri.


However, if records prove the whiskers belong to Gobir/Yauri, then Im leaning towards Yauri.

Yoruba and Tapa wear Gombo.

Yoruba has lost plenty domains and indigenous lands in Nigeria. We were in Kebbi and our language was at one time an indigeneous language in Kebbi State. Similar erosion is taking place in Lokoja, our indigenity and language in Lokoja is loosing its footprint.

Olu317:
There is nothing of such as 800BCE as the first invasion of Egypt in the real scholarly account because, the most deadliest invasion of Egypt begun around the era of Assyrian

The Assyrians first invassion was 800 BCE, the reason Piy came to takes back control.

Olu317:
In your account of Mzungu 800BCE invasion, can you proof it with Egyptian's Hierology...

Below is a piece known as the “Victory Stela of Piye,” whereby the king narrates his conquest of all of his intended dominion.

Amujale:
Below is a piece known as the “Victory Stela of Piye,” whereby the king narrates his conquest of all of Egypt.

The bone of contention is that Egypt was invaded six different times and this invasion, is referring to external and not internal problems. So get the information in its real perspective. Egypt conquest that were six times accordingly :

Assyrian conquest
671 BC
667 BCC
664BC

Persian conquest(Babylonian) Empire:
525 BC

Greek Conquest(Alexander the Great)
332 BC

Holocaust:
564BC:

The above information do not nullify the fact that Egypt ruled over Near East too at a time in history. This is because as at 609BCE , Josiah's son, Jehoazah and his family were taken to Egypt by King Necco; Pharaoh of Egypt

So, no critical scholars dare say that the account recorded in the Torah (teaching, instructing) book of Ezekiel and Jeremiah were recorded after the invasion of Egypt by Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar. This information prove that Hebrew did lived in Egypt .

MetaPhysical:
It depends on what time period.

The mark on the Nubian on left with turban is same with themark on the girl and this fella pictured second below.

This mark - the 6 whiskers - is either Gobir/Yauri, Igala/Yagba.

Because it has Gombo with it Im leaning more towards Igala/Yagba, against Gobir/Yauri.


However, if records prove the whiskers belong to Gobir/Yauri, then Im leaning towards Yauri.

Yoruba and Tapa wear Gombo.

Yoruba has lost plenty domains and indigenous lands in Nigeria. We were in Kebbi and our language was at one time an indigeneous language in Kebbi State. Similar erosion is taking place in Lokoja, our indigenity and language in Lokoja is loosing its footprint.

I disagree over the mark on the two screenshot of yours because, the people that Yoruba met are actually linked with the scarification you showed. If you have come across some Hausa group as I have , you will understand my point. The newer group that populate Yoruba land didn't wear scarification,unless if Ifaodu dictates on “Abiku".

And it is seen in my own lineage as well that scarification dont exist unless Ifaodu sagy such .In fact, there is a terracotta head in the museum to that effect that was found which a close link to Yagba but that mark is of Hausa origin. I am also familair with Oyo history as you do because, an account claimed though “myth" that Sango was the pioneer of scarification which was borne out the mark he told his servant to impress on another , after the Former failed on a task. And on seeing it, Sango liked and commanded to be scarified.

Furthermore, it can also be affirmed that Oyo's pioneer kingly matrilineal lineage was Nupe bloodline . So, it is understandable but such mark is alien to the real scarification Yoruba language speakers have on their face.

On the Yoruba settlement pattern, is actually based homogeneous style with a form of coordinator structure,which isn't in the pattern in Northern Nigeria that you posited as a loss of Yoruba lands across Niger. Interestingly, Yoruba establish her settlement based on monarchy system. And without a Baale, Oba, no settlement is ever established in Yoruba history. So, northern part across Niger was not as a place Yoruba did settled down and owned though Yoruba migrants existed and existing in that region, which is on record that some Yoruba went into Borgu after the desert of Oyo when Nupe invaded her before reestablishment of her (Oyo)/on military campaign.

Lastly, Lokoja is a peculiar case entirely because Yoruba did named her and established her own settlement in that place but not the only settlers in that vast land because it is not a homogeneous settlement in that region.Other ethnic groups do lived as well in that region.

Olu317:
This is because as at 609BCE , Josiah's son, Jehoazah and his family were taken to Egypt by King Necco; Pharaoh of Egypt

So, no critical scholars dare say that the account recorded in the Torah (teaching, instructing) book of Ezekiel and Jeremiah were recorded after the invasion of Egypt by Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar. This information prove that Hebrew did lived in Egypt .

The bible isnt a history textbook.

The bible is fake, false and counterintuitive, you cannot possibly use that as a reliable source.

There was never a person called Ezekiel or Joshua, they are fictitious.


Dont you get it?

Theres no contention at all, history has already been determined and its by comparing and contrasting proper history that we know beyond any doubt that the bible is fake, false and counterintuitive.

The bible is fake, not real, a combination of fakery and falsehood.

Olu317:
....the account recorded in the Torah (teaching, instructing) book of Ezekiel and Jeremiah were recorded after the invasion of Egypt by Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar..

Theres no contention.

African history is real, proper and true, the bible is fake, false and malicious.

The biblical Nebuchandnezzar is fake. Merely another one of those euhemerized characters, similar to what the authors of the bible did with their Herod, Pharaoh and Pontius Pilate characters. They maliciously made use of historical famous names, places, kings and queens of older eras and civilisations.


For instance, Piy is a real historical character.

Ezekiel and Joshua are fictional.

Olu317:
In your account of Mzungu 800BCE invasion, can you proof it with Egyptian's Hierology...

Amujale:
Below is a piece known as the “Victory Stela of Piye,” whereby the king narrates his conquest of all of Egypt.

That is the end of that discussion.

Finito.

That was your time for a reality check.

Olu317:
The bone of contention is that Egypt was invaded six different times and this invasion, is referring to external and not internal....

How is this related to the previous post?

What contention?

Oh! the fact that the bible is based solely on literature and rhetoric. That isnt a contention its a fact that the bible is fake and malicious.

What are you arguing against here?

Keep within the jurisdiction of the thread or jog along.

Linguistic Similarities:

According to the semiotician Ferdinand de Sausurre in his 1972 book called General History of Africa, the surest way to prove a cultural contact between peoples is to adduce linguistic evidence.

In what is commonly known as the Saussure theory.

Identical/Similarities between Yoruba and Ancient Egypt/Kush.

ℹ Mi (to breath) - Mi (to breathe)

ℹBi (to become) - Bi (to become)

ℹOmi (Water) - Omi (water)

ℹOdo (river) - Do (river)

ℹTa (spread out) - Ta (spread out)

ℹTan (complete) - Tan (complete)

ℹOkan (one) - Kan (one)

ℹKumo (club) - Kum (club)

ℹEre (python) - Ere(python)

ℹFa (pull) - Fa (carry)

ℹOruwo (head) - Horuw (head)

ℹWu (rise) - Wu (rise)


There are over 100 identical words that have the exact same meaning in Yoruba as is present in the Ancient Egyptian/Kush dialects.

Olu317:
I disagree over the mark on the two screenshot of yours because, the people that Yoruba met are actually linked with the scarification you showed. If you have come across some Hausa group as I have , you will understand my point. The newer group that populate Yoruba land didn't wear scarification,unless if Ifaodu dictates on “Abiku".

And it is seen in my own lineage as well that scarification dont exist unless Ifaodu sagy such .In fact, there is a terracotta head in the museum to that effect that was found which a close link to Yagba but that mark is of Hausa origin. I am also familair with Oyo history as you do because, an account claimed though “myth" that Sango was the pioneer of scarification which was borne out the mark he told his servant to impress on another , after the Former failed on a task. And on seeing it, Sango liked and commanded to be scarified.

Furthermore, it can also be affirmed that Oyo's pioneer kingly matrilineal lineage was Nupe bloodline . So, it is understandable but such mark is alien to the real scarification Yoruba language speakers have on their face.

On the Yoruba settlement pattern, is actually based homogeneous style with a form of coordinator structure,which isn't in the pattern in Northern Nigeria that you posited as a loss of Yoruba lands across Niger. Interestingly, Yoruba establish her settlement based on monarchy system. And without a Baale, Oba, no settlement is ever established in Yoruba history. So, northern part across Niger was not as a place Yoruba did settled down and owned though Yoruba migrants existed and existing in that region, which is on record that some Yoruba went into Borgu after the desert of Oyo when Nupe invaded her before reestablishment of her (Oyo)/on military campaign.

Lastly, Lokoja is a peculiar case entirely because Yoruba did named her and established her own settlement in that place but not the only settlers in that vast land because it is not a homogeneous settlement in that region.Other ethnic groups do lived as well in that region.

I found a better information with precise reference.


The original two images in the opening of this thread have people with marks.

The mark on their face and the mark on this guys face pictured below are similar, or same.

There is some level of affinity or co-belonging. Wherever the guy below belongs, the subjects in the opening also belong....or are not far off.



https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262637276_The_Structure_and_Function_of_Yoruba_Facial_Scarification

Amujale:
These are the reasons you ought to study African history and bin the fake narratives of these foreign extremist religions.

I also think due to west African tropical climates and wet forest, it will be difficult for a dead body to be well preserved for such a long period as opposed to dried/arid regions.

Not too sure tho.

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Translate English Numerals (numbers) to Yoruba Numerals (onka ni ede yoruba),

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Amujale:
Runoko Rashidi is one of the foremost scholars in the field of research into melanated communities all over the world. 

He is not the kind of academic who sits in an ivory tower only studying manuscripts, he meets with many communities in over 100 countries and visited countless museums and historical sites and given thousands of lectures. 

He has taken beautiful photographs, some of which feature in his other books published by Books of Africa, Black Star, African Star over Asia e.t.c

Has Runoko Rashidi ever even worked at any African University or even been to Africa for research cus frankly I don't know
For you to declare him one of the foremost

Amujale:
It's a well established fact that the original Tunisians are Nubian.

All the original communities in North Africa was Nubian communities.

Its important to note that apart from the modern definition of Nubian that the original North Africans belong, this term was used loosely to describe all melanated communities similar to the way Ethiopian, Kush, Blacksic and we would eventually adopt our given name Africa.

The name Africa predates any foreign intervention.

The evidence suggest that our ancestors, 'the phenoms', named our continent 'aphrike' whilst they occupied Asia and Europe, calling their origin 'the land that is free from cold and horror', that was later Romanized into 'Africa'.

Well established fact that original Tunesians were Nubians??

So I take it that you don't know much about the geography and people politics of ancient North Africa

Where do you place the Berbers if you take them out of Tunesia. And who were the people South of Egypt if you take the Nubians and place them in Tunesia?

Amujale:
Linguistic Similarities:

According to the semiotician Ferdinand de Sausurre in his 1972 book called General History of Africa, the surest way to prove a cultural contact between peoples is to adduce linguistic evidence.

In what is commonly known as the Saussure theory.

Identical/Similarities between Yoruba and Ancient Egypt/Kush.

ℹ Mi (to breath) - Mi (to breathe)

ℹBi (to become) - Bi (to become)

ℹOmi (Water) - Omi (water)

ℹOdo (river) - Do (river)

ℹTa (spread out) - Ta (spread out)

ℹTan (complete) - Tan (complete)

ℹOkan (one) - Kan (one)

ℹKumo (club) - Kum (club)

ℹEre (python) - Ere(python)

ℹFa (pull) - Fa (carry)

ℹOruwo (head) - Horuw (head)

ℹWu (rise) - Wu (rise)


There are over 100 identical words that have the exact same meaning in Yoruba as is present in the Ancient Egyptian/Kush dialects.

Do you have a dictionary or a valid independent lexica source for these Egyptian words

Also, my guy.. Egyptian and Kush languages are not same language
They don't even belong to the same language group

MetaPhysical:
I found a better information with precise reference.


The original two images in the opening of this thread have people with marks.

The mark on their face and the mark on this guys face pictured below are similar, or same.

There is some level of affinity or co-belonging. Wherever the guy below belongs, the subjects in the opening also belong....or are not far off.



https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262637276_The_Structure_and_Function_of_Yoruba_Facial_Scarification

Uba me, pardon my late response which has been as a result of BOT. On the course of our chat, I must be honest with you that I know that the three whisker cat's marks that are found amongst Yagba or Okun people in the below screenshot are seemingly copied from the Hausa link group, who still bear the marks till today. Katsina, Kaduna, etc have such marks on some of them . In fact, I have seen some of them physically.

Perhaps, you will realise that Ileife was a cosmopolitan city ; people from different parts of the world came to live in it, as at the period of the emergence of Dud descendants who migrated and established monarchy system with medieval civilization in the present place the renamed Ileife. It is on record that some thought, Dud-Iwa is a feminine shrine which is a misconception by the learners of the the teavhers language that wad brought by Dud - Iwa.


Are you aware of Oko Iwa( Niwa-Nuah) in Udanre hill? Information about the Yoruba are mind blowing if you know why there was war when Dud-IWa and group arrived and established ileife.

I submit,

Cheers.

macof:
Do you have a dictionary or a valid independent lexica source for these Egyptian words

Also, my guy.. Egyptian and Kush languages are not same language
They don't even belong to the same language group

Ancient Egyptians and Kush[sic] are one and the same.

macof:
Do you have a dictionary or a valid independent lexica source for these Egyptian words...

Yes, yes and yes.