Olu317:
[s]Like I had mentioned, you're the unsettled one because, your heart kept beating due to your ignorance. So I will stop because here because, there is no purpose engaging you any more or your superiors.

So, suddenly, your poor English knowledge has made you not to be vast in ,Yoruba's information anymore, which us due to typography error ? Anyway , your ignorance is grandeur because you are not conversant with the truth. Although,I desire to see you propound your information on Yoruba people as West Africa[/s]

Olu317:
Amujale,kindly provide more information to buttress the identity of Yoruba Nation did existed in Egypt.

macof:


If you spoke Yoruba you would know that Obenga 's work is filled with flawed Yoruba translations
I wonder if he gave flawed translations for the Egyptian words too

EG. "ni" does not mean "exit" in Yorùbá
"bùsi" does not mean "to bless", "bose" does not mean "secretly", "busa" does not mean "to honor". "ama" is a loan word from hausa, so that doesn't count.
And more

Also i was hoping you would provide an independent egyptian dictionary that confirms this particular list you shared ealier

ABULARdotCOM:
This thread is very educative! I say, well done to all.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy14BdLm5JQ

https://medium.com/@Omokri/the-link-between-the-modern-yoruba-and-ancient-egyptians-b9d277c126c8

The reason I think some of the words in Obenga's work are strange to us is, because the Yoruba we speak today was not the same our ancestors spoke (there are lot of corruption). Same way various Yoruba clans speak Yoruba that have some differences.

cc Olu317

Olu317:
Amujale,kindly provide more information to buttress the identity of Yoruba Nation did existed in Egypt.

Amujale:
Linguistic Similarities:

According to the semiotician Ferdinand de Sausurre in his 1972 book called General History of Africa, the surest way to prove a cultural contact between peoples is to adduce linguistic evidence.

In what is commonly known as the Saussure theory.

Identical/Similarities between Yoruba and Ancient Egypt/Kush.

ℹ Mi (to breath) - Mi (to breathe)

ℹBi (to become) - Bi (to become)

ℹOmi (Water) - Omi (water)

ℹOdo (river) - Do (river)

ℹTa (spread out) - Ta (spread out)

ℹTan (complete) - Tan (complete)

ℹOkan (one) - Kan (one)

ℹKumo (club) - Kum (club)

ℹEre (python) - Ere(python)

ℹFa (pull) - Fa (carry)

ℹOruwo (head) - Horuw (head)

ℹWu (rise) - Wu (rise)


There are over 100 identical words that have the exact same meaning in Yoruba as is present in the Ancient Egyptian/Kush dialects.

Olu317:

1.Egypt: Akhat
Meaning: calendar, period , time

Yoruba: wakati
Meaning: time, period

Arabic: waqt
Meaning: time, season

According to the semiotician Ferdinand de Sausurre in his 1972 book called General History of Africa, the surest way to prove a cultural contact between peoples is to adduce linguistic evidence.

ABULARdotCOM:
This thread is very educative! I say, well done to all.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy14BdLm5JQ

https://medium.com/@Omokri/the-link-between-the-modern-yoruba-and-ancient-egyptians-b9d277c126c8

The reason I think some of the words in Obenga's work are strange to us is, because the Yoruba we speak today was not the same our ancestors spoke (there are lot of corruption). Same way various Yoruba clans speak Yoruba that have some differences.

cc Olu317

TAO11:
You appear to be the Yoruba version of gregyboy. In other words, the very things which demolishes your point is what you always present as evidence. Ironic, isn’t it?

Your screenshot here (from Isaac Adeniji Ogunbiyi) made it clear that the effort to link Yoruba words to Arabic is simply an attempt, and by doctrinaire Islam scholars.

Do you even know what the English word doctrinaire means? You obviously don’t, because if you do, you certainly wouldn’t be making a mess of yourself like this.

Doctrinaire means: “seeking to impose a doctrine in all circumstances without regard to practical considerations.”

In other words, according to the same professor whom you seek to misrepresent; the attempt to link Yoruba words to Arabic is pseudo-academic, it is done by religious dogmatist, and it is against reality.

What else will refute you more than this same attachment you put forward with your own hand??

Stop bothering me with your bullshit. I hope I am clear enough.

Macof, please come and carry your illiterate and unteachable Hebrew/Arab wannabe.

macof:


Languages evolve, fair enough but how did Obenga get words that the ancestors spoke but no Yoruba understands today. How can you verify that the words he gave mean what he said they mean in any Yoruba dialect or at any time in any Yoruba dialect.
Plus if he knew he was citing lost Yoruba words, don't you also think he would have stated that and provide a source to how he got those words?

About the video, much of that is very inaccurate.
1. Yorùbá do not call our Land, Ilẹ̀ Adúláwò. That is a recently formed word for "Africa". It does not belong to ancient Yoruba vocabulary.
2. Kemet does not mean "land of black people" but "black land" in reference to the black soil.
3. "Irawo" means Star in Yoruba, Irawo is not a deity, nor doe in mean "rising sun"
4. Osun is not a moon god but a River Goddess
5. There are no records of Egyptians migrating South 1500 years ago.

ABULARdotCOM:


Some of the words! Most of words in that in that journal are actually Yoruba.

I intentionally highlighted it in my last post. The only problem I have with the work is that I have no means to verify the Coptic words he compared Yoruba words with. But I don't know why obenga would lie, so I am more inclined to trust those Coptic words.



The video was only provided to backup some points made my obenga and omokri's medium post.

The lack of records or evidence is what we are trying to recreate.

macof:


Not lie. I wouldn't say that's a lie. But rather he was misled by his source or had no source

Amujale:


The above quote doesn’t apply to linguistic comparison as is what is known in grammatical construct as ‘Ede Ayalo’.

I hope that clears that up.

The Yoruba language predates Arabic in years that would amount in their hundreds and thousands.

As I have no intention to turn the discussion here into that of the perusal into the Arabic language; I will simply say this:

The Arabic language didn’t exist during the period of the Nile civilisation.

Furthermore, the Arabic language is said to be a derivative of the Chadic language system that was invented by African scribes; one which was eventually highjacked by olden days Arabian fundamentalists during their manufacturing of Islam.

The term Wakat isn’t Yoruba, ‘Iseju’ is; as in the speed of a blinking lid.

My advice is for you to actually read into the accurate comparison as described in my previous response.

Furthermore, you seem to find it hard to distinguish between the Ancient Egyptian language with that of the current stock that which aren’t original to the region.

The current stock of Egyptians originate from what can only be described in modern terms as an Arabic speaking stock.

Here, the discussion is regarding the language of the original communities that existed there prior to foreign distruption. i.e The Nubian communities (the original North African people).

These people migrated from various parts of the continent; East, Central, South and West; predominantly West African people that formed the train of delegations that would eventually found Kemit.

According to the Sassure theory, that which the evidence you seem to have overlooked:



The term that resonates in Kemit pertaining to Akhat is infact “Akhenaten” also spelt Akhenaton also known as Amenhotep IV.

There’s no Kemit term Akhat that translates to the measurement of time.

For the record, the two pictographic symbols used for the commonly translated “time” and “eternity” are neheh (nhh) and djet (dt), respectively.

Amujale:

Olu317:
Sorry to disagree with you because is not a grammatical csl construct,since Iseju has an English interpretation,which is ‘blinking' or seconds in Yoruba language.

Olu317:
Those words you highlighted are actually the Classic Hebrew cognates and closely related to Arabic, Ugaritic,Ethiopic.

Amujale:


What are you disagreeing over, is it how you actually misconstrued what was being said, or the urge to simply continue a baseless argument.

Btw, Iseju is a generic Yoruba term, whilst Wakat isn’t.

One doesn’t need to hold a Ph.D in Yoruba and linguistics to be able to identify such fact, although that would definitely help.

In order words, what is the point of your argument?

Since you refuse to understand a simple fact, then there isn’t much for us to discuss.

The points that you disagree with are the subject of academia.

These aren’t mere opinions but indisputable facts.

Amujale:


No they aren’t, those are from the Kemetic/Kush dialect.

Are you for real?

For the umpteenth time, Hebrew is a recent language that was concocted from a combination of German and Yiddish in the 1800’s.

There’s no evidence anywhere on planet Earth of the presence of Jews, Hebrews or any of the Abrahamic religions in Kemit.

Assuming you have such evidence, produce it here.

What historians did find however, is that the Abrahamic religions copied and plagiarised Kemetic history in an attempt to claim it as their own.

Olu317:

...kindly read the era of Pharaoh Apries...

ABULARdotCOM:


Please could you share the source of your information? I would like to learn some new things.

Olu317:
Iseju is a new or modern word adopted into Yoruba lexicon; otun oro (created or new word in Yoruba lexicon . Plainly, as relevant as the word in modem times of this 21st. Century, this word does not exist in 1913 dictionary of Yoruba language.

Amujale:



The Hebrew Language was officially created on October 13th 1881 and was credited to Eliezer Ben-Yehuda.

That is to say, prior to the above date, there wasn’t a written form of the language anywhere on the planet.

“Yiddish is a High German–derived language spoken by the Ashkenazi Jews.”

Now go and check the similarities between Germanic /Hebrew/Yiddish.

Let me assist you, follow the link below:

https://www.yivo.org/Yiddish

It’s important to note that the name ‘yidish’ in Yiddish means Jewish.

Now, moving on,

According to www.yivo.org

The basic grammar and vocabulary of Yiddish, which is written in the Hebrew alphabet, is Germanic.

Olu317:

Lastly, the pictographs you posit for eternity in Egypt's antiquity ought be well described because, your information of description is amazingly not with weight. While the Yoruba's eternity is not strange to me.I hope you will post the screenshots...

TAO11:
Thank you for stating these very important points in a very clear and succinct manner.

May you never get lost, feel inferior, or become fake.

Amujale:


You aren't serious, when did the 1913 dictionary start to exist, why, and for whom?

Dude, stop this nonsense already. Go and re-educate yourself regarding the Yoruba language.

I won’t be replying you on these simple facts that you seem unable to understand.

Assuming you insist on these kind of ignorance then create a new thread on Yoruba Grammar and then tag me, and then we’ll take it from there.

I’m certain that many people will be obliged to provide the necessary correction as deemed appropriate.

As for this thread, let’s concentrate our focus on the connection between Yoruba and the Nile Valley.

Amujale:


Firstly, you misconstrued the point I was alluding, there was no intent to relate the Kemetic term for ‘ time’ and or ‘eternity’ with that of the Yoruba lingua.

The point was that ‘Akhat’ doesn’t mean ‘time’ in the Kemtic language, ‘neheh’(nnh) does.

Secondly, it’s as clear as day that you aren’t familiar with hieroglyphics.

Furthermore, anyone who’s conversant on the Kemetic/Kush dialect would know that ‘time’ and ‘eternity’ are deemed in a concept of dualism. They can’t mention one without mentioning the other.

Now look at the images below and tell us their meaning.

It’s ok if you don’t know, just say so rather than attempting veer off on a tangent.

Olu317:
Below, is the screenshot of Egyptians alphabets. As you can see, the N is water which is differ from youbas N

Olu317:
If indeed you can read Hieroglyphs then kudos to you though I have seen the Nun(Hebrew's alphabet for N).

Olu317:

Lastly, below screenshot is ons of the oldest inscription of ancient Hebrew,so stop misinformation that is based on assumptions.