u see, how some of guys behave, that's why I still respect (maximus69), u haven't know my opinion u are claiming is distort, who do you know what u know through the glance of discrete slave is fact....... all what u know today through Jw As at today, is through a written book inform of literature from the discreet slave..... with ur harden heart I believe our discussion may likely end up in abusive words which I don't want.... I know u maximus69, also believe there is nothing I can proof our wrong in Jw, he will definitely knows how to prove it right but his calm really wanna hear my own view. but ur over sabi, over confident, will ruin dis discussion......so be at peace! go ur way and let me go my way.......... I don't like ppu thinking they what they don't with confidence.
That's the FRUIT of God's holy spirit Sir, but i'm assuring you that there is nobody no matter how degrading his intellect may be, if the person remains faithful to the teachings of the Governing Body, he will have all the 9 qualities of God's holy spirit completely!
When i first joined JWs, i wasn't as calm as you just noticed, i was a Muslim and Soldier. So think of how those two can make a person calm during confrontational talks!
But here i am today, i can calmly reason with anyone, in fact i once met a white man who was about to become a member of the Governing Body but later backslided, we had a discussion and he told me "You said you're not an elder, but you're talking like my son who is serving as an elder and you're so calm even with all the derogatory comments i passed at your organization" That's when i realized that he had two sons (married elders in the Organization).
So i reasoned with him "are you the biological father of this two?" He said "Yes"
I asked "who trained them up in what they're doing now?" He said "myself"
I then asked the question that made him cry "will you be happy if they stopped serving Jehovah?" He said "never!"
"Then why are you trying to discourage others from serving Jehovah?"
He said "stop it! stop it!!"
"You're not just a publisher as you claim"
Of course i'm just a publisher, but i'm always good at whatever i choose to do!
You don't need to keep dragging words with people who cannot provide a single biblical or emperical evidence to support their claim that when Jesus supposedly came to inspect religions, he chose the Jehovah's witness religion.
For 6 days now. Not one single evidence
I seriously don tire to laugh.
For those reading this, when Jehovahs witnesses come to your homes, please be nice to them. They have been conditioned to expect persecution. It shocks them to see that people out there who they call "worldly" people are nice too.
And also educate yourself with facts about them. Facts that even many of their members don't know. Goto www.jwfacts.com www.jwfacts.com uses a scholarly approach to the doctrines and policies of the Jehovah's witness religion.
Also before joining them, make sure you listen to what their ex members have to say about them. After all you wouldn't buy electronics online without reading both the good and bad reviews.
Seeing that I have overwhelmingly made my point, I'll be waiting for the next new thread about Jehovah's witnesses. On this thread, the horse has been over flogged already.
For the sake of emphasis, My goal is educate people about the jehovah's witnesses. To show them the other side of the coin. Whether they decide to join the religion or not is entirely a personal decision.
To the Jehovah's witnesses here who believe other Christians would die at Armageddon and only your religion will survive as taught by the pages of your watchtower. I hope you are ready for the said Armageddon. If you are living a double life, committing secret sins, if you have viewed pornography, whether soft porn or hard core pornography, you better go and see your elders o. If you are dating an unbeliever, if you engaged in loose conduct or unclean conduct or brazen acts, you better go and confess o.
If you have engaged in mutual masturbation, if you have fondled the breast or buttocks or genitals of another person, go and confess o. If you have engaged in passionate kissing with someone you don't intend to marry and maybe even allowed your hands to wander to their buttocks during the act, you need spiritual help from the elders. If you have engaged in heavy petting, if you have gone to a club (wild party) better go and meet elders ọ.
If you have been writing fake hours and placements on your report for preaching, you better go and confess o. If you have taken money from the envelope you carry around to people's homes to eat, remember the story of Achan o. Better go and confess.
If you know you have confessed before in a judicial committee, but you know you did not tell the whole truth, and maybe now you are even holding an office of responsibility, remember the story of Ananaias and Saphira who did not tell the whole truth o.
If you know you have sexted before, better go and report yourself now o. If you have sent or received naked pics, better run now to meet the elders o because we are in the last day of the last days of the last days of the last days.
According to your doctrines If you don't meet your elders and confess any of these sins even if happened a long time ago, your service to Jehovah is a waste of time and you will be killed at Armageddon like the rest and your bodies will become manure on the surface of the earth.
Janosky on the other thread say our KJV and NIV nah fraudulent translation.
Pls people help me beg Janosky make e resolve the inconsistencies of his NWT translation.
Let's look at Titus 2:13 that refers to Jesus as God. Now I'll render the NIV first.
New International Version Titus 2:13while we wait for the blessed hope--the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,
You can see this verse clearly refers to Jesus as our great God and saviour.
Now's let's uncover the fraud with the Jehovah Witness Bible (NWT)- New World Translation.
Now their fraudulent rendition
New World Translation Titus 2:13 while we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and[b] of [the] Savior of us, Christ Jesus,[/b]
Notice how they fraudulently input a definite article to change the meaning of the statement, to make it appear as two different people. So on one hand you have Our Great God(Jehovah) and on the Other Our Savior(Jesus).
But they shot themselves in the foot...... Let's go to Isaiah. I'll quote from their own bible to see a clear case of bibilical contradiction.
New World Translation Isaiah 43:11—I am Jehovah,+ and besides me there is no savior.”+
Can u see the contradiction. How many saviours do we have?
In one breadth Jehovah says beside him there is no other savior . In another breadth u fraudulently create a distinction between God (Jehovah) and Jesus (Saviour) in a bid not make Jesus God.
You don't need to keep dragging words with people who cannot provide a single biblical or emperical evidence to support their claim that when Jesus supposedly came to inspect religions, he chose the Jehovah's witness religion.
For 6 days now. Not one single evidence
I seriously don tire to laugh.
For those reading this, when Jehovahs witnesses come to your homes, please be nice to them. They have been conditioned to expect persecution. It shocks them to see that people out there who they call "worldly" people are nice too.
And also educate yourself with facts about them. Facts that even many of their members don't know. Goto www.jwfacts.com www.jwfacts.com uses a scholarly approach to the doctrines and policies of the Jehovah's witness religion.
Also before joining them, make sure you listen to what their ex members have to say about them. After all you wouldn't buy electronics online without reading both the good and bad reviews.
Seeing that I have overwhelmingly made my point, I'll be waiting for the next new thread about Jehovah's witnesses. On this thread, the horse has been over flogged already.
For the sake of emphasis, My goal is educate people about the jehovah's witnesses. To show them the other side of the coin. Whether they decide to join the religion or not is entirely a personal decision.
To the Jehovah's witnesses here who believe other Christians would die at Armageddon and only your religion will survive as taught by the pages of your watchtower. I hope you are ready for the said Armageddon. If you are living a double life, committing secret sins, if you have viewed pornography, whether soft porn or hard core pornography, you better go and see your elders o. If you are dating an unbeliever, if you engaged in loose conduct or unclean conduct or brazen acts, you better go and confess o.
If you have engaged in mutual masturbation, if you have fondled the breast or buttocks or genitals of another person, go and confess o. If you have engaged in passionate kissing with someone you don't intend to marry and maybe even allowed your hands to wander to their buttocks during the act, you need spiritual help from the elders. If you have engaged in heavy petting, if you have gone to a club (wild party) better go and meet elders ọ.
If you have been writing fake hours and placements on your report for preaching, you better go and confess o. If you have taken money from the envelope you carry around to people's homes to eat, remember the story of Achan o. Better go and confess.
If you know you have confessed before in a judicial committee, but you know you did not tell the whole truth, and maybe now you are even holding an office of responsibility, remember the story of Ananaias and Saphira who did not tell the whole truth o.
If you know you have sexted before, better go and report yourself now o. If you have sent or received naked pics, better run now to meet the elders o because we are in the last day of the last days of the last days of the last days.
According to your doctrines If you don't meet your elders and confess any of these sins even if happened a long time ago, your service to Jehovah is a waste of time and you will be killed at Armageddon like the rest and your bodies will become manure on the surface of the earth.
I wish everyone a productive week ahead.
May God bless you more abundantly for strengthening my conviction that i've found the one and only group Jesus talked about saying
Lol. All these things I outlined are outlined in their secret elders book that is called Shepherd the flock of God. It is a book that only the elders in their religion have access to. Many women in the Jehovahs witness religion do not even know the book exist.
I am not kidding when I tell you that all these things I listed are things that can cause one to be disfellowshiped or excommunicated from their religion
Most of them walk on egg shells and live double lives.
Like I said all the things I listed is from their secret elders rule book that can be downloaded online now. It's not so secret again these days
The only point he could make is that there is no reason to believe (trust) in Jesus, just be good and God will take you to heaven!
He couldn't control his speeches all because of his malignant feelings against JWs, he didn't know when he condemned Jesus' comment that only believers in Christ will have everlasting life!
He concluded saying "I can't say Muslims, Buddhists, Judaists will not enter God's kingdom" just because he feels that will make him start judging others like Jehovah's Witnesses.
OK how would you explain John 3:16?
Timalt ignored that one, only for him to continue insisting Jehovah's Witnesses must answer his questions regarding our teachings (that has help over 8,7000,000 people from different races under the heavens form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers)
May God bless you more abundantly for strengthening my conviction that i've found the one and only group Jesus talked about saying
ALL EYE WILL BE ON YOU! Matthew 5:14-16
This former far right Dutch politician who was anti Muslim, who called Islam a lie, researched Islam and now he believes Islam to be the true religion.
My friend, that you converted from Islam to Jehovah's witness proves nothing. People change religions everyday.
It is not a matter of opinion. Facts are not sentimental. Because you feel you have found the true religion does not mean anything. The man I just posted and a million others believe they have found the true religion when they convert to Islam.
That is why I asked the question Provide Biblical and emperical evidence that your religion was chosen as the one true one in 1919?
Since you can't produce it, take a seat my brother. Writing long replies without the evidence is a waste of everyones time.
Lol. All these things I outlined are outlined in their secret elders book that is called Shepherd the flock of God. It is a book that only the elders in their religion have access to. Many women in the Jehovahs witness religion do not even know the book exist.
I am not kidding when I tell you that all these things I listed are things that can cause one to be disfellowshiped or excommunicated from their religion
Most of them walk on egg shells and live double lives.
Like I said all the things I listed is from their secret elders rule book that can be downloaded online now. It's not so secret again these days
Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever! Hebrews 13:8
He never shared information equally to all his followers Sir {Matthew 17:9} for your information Sir, that's what he meant by the parable of talents: The same Master Jesus gave 5 talents, 2 talents and 1 talent! Matthew 25:15
The illustration shows that Jesus doesn't share information equally!
But the one Jesus apportioned to you, make the best use of it! Matthew 25:24-27
Many are still worshiping Jehovah in the midst of his people, they're making the best use of the talents Jesus gave each of them, but you're no more in their midst now, even the little idea you have will be taken away from you, and someone who knows the value will make use of it!
This former far right Dutch politician who was anti Muslim, who called Islam a lie, researched Islam and now he believes Islam to be the true religion.
My friend, that you converted from Islam to Jehovah's witness proves nothing. People change religions everyday.
It is not a matter of opinion. Facts are not sentimental. Because you feel you have found the true religion does not mean anything. The man I just posted and a million others believe they have found the true religion when they convert to Islam.
That is why I asked the question Provide Biblical and emperical evidence that your religion was chosen as the one true one in 1919?
Since you can't produce it, take a seat my brother. Writing long replies without the evidence is a waste of everyones time.
Of course people move from one religion to another, but where is the FRUIT as in WORKS of Islam compare to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Sir! Matthew 7:16-20 compare to James 2:18-26
That's the FRUIT of God's holy spirit Sir, but i'm assuring you that there is nobody no matter how degrading his intellect may be, if the person remains faithful to the teachings of the Governing Body, he will have all the 9 qualities of God's holy spirit completely!
When i first joined JWs, i wasn't as calm as you just noticed, i was a Muslim and Soldier. So think of how those two can make a person calm during confrontational talks!
But here i am today, i can calmly reason with anyone, in fact i once met a white man who was about to become a member of the Governing Body but later backslided, we had a discussion and he told me "You said you're not an elder, but you're talking like my son who is serving as an elder and you're so calm even with all the derogatory comments i passed at your organization" That's when i realized that he had two sons (married elders in the Organization).
So i reasoned with him "are you the biological father of this two?" He said "Yes"
I asked "who trained them up in what they're doing now?" He said "myself"
I then asked the question that made him cry "will you be happy if they stopped serving Jehovah?" He said "never!"
"Then why are you trying to discourage others from serving Jehovah?"
He said "stop it! stop it!!"
"You're not just a publisher as you claim"
Of course i'm just a publisher, but i'm always good at whatever i choose to do!
great one brother, keep it up, I do enjoy all ur reply on nairaland, am always delight seeing u commenting on any topic on nairaland.
u see, how some of guys behave, that's why I still respect (maximus69), u haven't know my opinion u are claiming is distort, who do you know what u know through the glance of discrete slave is fact....... all what u know today through Jw As at today, is through a written book inform of literature from the discreet slave..... with ur harden heart I believe our discussion may likely end up in abusive words which I don't want.... I know u maximus69, also believe there is nothing I can proof our wrong in Jw, he will definitely knows how to prove it right but his calm really wanna hear my own view. but ur over sabi, over confident, will ruin dis discussion......so be at peace! go ur way and let me go my way.......... I don't like ppu thinking they what they don't with confidence.
open your thread on all things about Jehovah witnesses.waiting
I am waiting for your distorted information. if you left Jehovah witnesses today and return a year after, you can only claim you know 10% about jehovah witnesses. and if you were are yet to baptise and you are actively associating, you only know less than 50%.
REALITY says it's AN ORGANIZATION which has varying STRUCTURE and STRATAS.
All having CODENAMES which you are aware of.
Even a fully baptized member ranging from publishers up to the top of the ladder GB have varying degrees of what they know about the ORGANIZATION.
You can't tell me a PUBLISHER has the same information and knowledge and access as the ELDERS and you can't tell me the elders have same information, knowledge and access as those controlling the BRANCHES that are available.
In REALITY that's what ORGANIZATION is all about.
But those outside the ORGANIZATION has no barrier to LIMIT their KNOWLEDGE, ACCESS and INFORMATION about the ORGANIZATION because you can't track where they SOURCE the information they get ABOUT the ORGANIZATION.
Like someone said earlier there are some MATERIALS a publisher don't have access to, there are some elders don't have access to.
Whereas an OUTSIDER is making you aware of it and you THINK that person won't know beyond some of the FULL FLEDGE members?
Please next time you want someone to be ashamed of his activities, try make yours open for scrutiny as well. It's after comparison between two characters that one can be spoken of as better. Your persistence in presenting one group and their teachings without comparing with other existing groups hold no water Sir!
Please compare the clothed man with the naked and see what happens.
If there is no religious group to stand side by side with Jehovah's Witnesses Organization for comparison, then Jesus' words can't be overemphasized:-
You are the light of the world, the city situated on the mountain top can't be hidden! Matthew 5:14-16
Sorry Sir, all your criticism holds no water!
So Jehovah's Witnesses have failed prophecies. Evidently, Jehovah was not the source of the prophecy.
So Jehovah's Witnesses loses cases in court (other times settle out of court), evidently, Jehovah wasn't their backer else they wouldn't lose.
What else? False prophecies are evident of a false prophet. Lack of God backing is evident that Jehovah has turned his back on you (or never supported you in the first place).
But somehow, Jehovah's Witnesses are Jehovah's organisation and the instructions you received are from Jehovah's, of course until many years where it is evident it wasn't.
It seems like a classic ponzi scheme. Because every thing is from Jehovah, the teaching, the understanding, the works done etc until such a future that it wasn't.
The attitude of atheists is condemning a concept or idea but presenting no better option!
Even Jehovah allowed all other God's to get worshipers and locations before he came to present himself as the one and only TRUE God!
Just prove you're not an atheist by presenting a better Organization than JWs, they've been making noise throughout the earth, why can't you guys just come together to silence Jehovah's Witnesses by presenting one team or group that's performing better than them?
So Jehovah's Witnesses have failed prophecies. Evidently, Jehovah was not the source of the prophecy.
So Jehovah's Witnesses loses cases in court (other times settle out of court), evidently, Jehovah wasn't their backer else they wouldn't lose.
What else? False prophecies are evident of a false prophet. Lack of God backing is evident that Jehovah has turned his back on you (or never supported you in the first place).
But somehow, Jehovah's Witnesses are Jehovah's organisation and the instructions you received are from Jehovah's, of course until many years where it is evident it wasn't.
It seems like a classic ponzi scheme. Because every thing is from Jehovah, the teaching, the understanding, the works done etc until such a future that it wasn't.
Maximus69: The attitude of atheists is condemning a concept or idea but presenting no better option!
Even Jehovah allowed all other God's to get worshipers and locations before he came to present himself as the one and only TRUE God!
Just prove you're not an atheist by presenting a better Organization than JWs, they've been making noise throughout the earth, why can't you guys just come together to silence Jehovah's Witnesses by presenting one team or group that's performing better than them?
Did you just say PERFORMING BETTER THAN JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?
My standard is the bible not RCCG. I can challenge my pastor if he says anything that contradicts with the scripture. Can u say the same of u, without been disfellowshipped?
My pastor doesn't know it all, he is not infallible, so if I point out a teaching of his that goes against scripture, he wouldn't see me as an apostate but will reason it out with me under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Can u say the same of u without been frowned at and reported to your local elders for disciplinary actions. My man!!!!!!! Where is your free will man?.....u have sold it to Ur governing council.
Make the bible Ur standard, thank God for this thread.....can we go into a debate that shows u scripture that clearly contradicts Ur doctrines.... If u r ready let's begin
This is the point JWs misses. The god of this system of organised profiteer religion has blinded their eyes. The bible is the standard and any teaching that is not in line with is stand scrutiny for any true Christians. For JWs, the organisation is the standard and any teaching that contradicts the scriptures, the scriptures will have to bend to fit the believes set forth by the organisation such a time when they feel it is not worth it any more.
Their loyalty to the organisation far exceed that given to God, Jesus and the bible. In their eyes, the Watchtower organisation is in the same position as Jehovah. When they think of the organisation, they consider it inseparable from Jehovah and is in a higher position than Jesus.
Of course, Jesus is the head of the congregation(Church). The congregation is inside the organisation, headed by the governing body, making the governing body the Higher than Jesus. It explains why they can ignore Jesus commands but obey with absolute loyalty those of the organisation. It explains why the governing body is unquestionable but many of Jesus teachings in the bible is questioned and second guessed.
This is the point JWs misses. The god of this system of organised profiteer religion has blinded their eyes. The bible is the standard and any teaching that is not in line with is stand scrutiny for any true Christians. For JWs, the organisation is the standard and any teaching that contradicts the scriptures, the scriptures will have to bend to fit the believes set forth by the organisation such a time when they feel it is not worth it any more.
Their loyalty to the organisation far exceed that given to God, Jesus and the bible. In their eyes, the Watchtower organisation is in the same position as Jehovah. When they think of the organisation, they consider it inseparable from Jehovah and is in a higher position than Jesus.
Of course, Jesus is the head of the congregation(Church). The congregation is inside the organisation, headed by the governing body, making the governing body the Higher than Jesus. It explains why they can ignore Jesus commands but obey with absolute loyalty those of the organisation. It explains why the governing body is unquestionable but many of Jesus teachings in the bible is questioned and second guessed.
Maximus69 Jozzy4 Janosky Achorladey Timalt
Just present a better performing group that's all!
Maximus69: The attitude of atheists is condemning a concept or idea but presenting no better option!
Even Jehovah allowed all other God's to get worshipers and locations before he came to present himself as the one and only TRUE God!
Just prove you're not an atheist by presenting a better Organization than JWs, they've been making noise throughout the earth, why can't you guys just come together to silence Jehovah's Witnesses by presenting one team or group that's performing better than them?
Start seeking Jesus. That the solution. Ask him to come into your life and fill your heart with his spirit. Pray that he heals you and shows you the way to him.
Start seeking Jesus. That the solution. Ask him to come into your life and fill your heart with his spirit. Pray that he heals you and shows you the way to him.
That is the first step...
So where do they meet together? Hebrew 10:24-25
And how do you identify their gathering? Psalms 133:1
Start seeking Jesus. That the solution. Ask him to come into your life and fill your heart with his spirit. Pray that he heals you and shows you the way to him.
That is the first step...
I thought Jesus sent his followers to go and meet people in their homes!
I thought Jesus sent his followers to go and meet people in their homes!
This your own style get as he be o!
Jehovah organized his own people, atheists want to raise their tongues against God's arrangement, of course you will begin to notice the flaws in their suggestions immediately!
This is the point JWs misses. The god of this system of organised profiteer religion has blinded their eyes. The bible is the standard and any teaching that is not in line with is stand scrutiny for any true Christians. For JWs, the organisation is the standard and any teaching that contradicts the scriptures, the scriptures will have to bend to fit the believes set forth by the organisation such a time when they feel it is not worth it any more.
Their loyalty to the organisation far exceed that given to God, Jesus and the bible. In their eyes, the Watchtower organisation is in the same position as Jehovah. When they think of the organisation, they consider it inseparable from Jehovah and is in a higher position than Jesus.
Of course, Jesus is the head of the congregation(Church). The congregation is inside the organisation, headed by the governing body, making the governing body the Higher than Jesus. It explains why they can ignore Jesus commands but obey with absolute loyalty those of the organisation. It explains why the governing body is unquestionable but many of Jesus teachings in the bible is questioned and second guessed.
Maximus69 Jozzy4 Janosky Achorladey Timalt
This is KEY........."Of course, Jesus is the head of the congregation(Church). The congregation is inside the organisation, headed by the governing body, making the governing body the Higher than Jesus"
REALITY says it's AN ORGANIZATION which has varying STRUCTURE and STRATAS.
All having CODENAMES which you are aware of.
Even a fully baptized member ranging from publishers up to the top of the ladder GB have varying degrees of what they know about the ORGANIZATION.
You can't tell me a PUBLISHER has the same information and knowledge and access as the ELDERS and you can't tell me the elders have same information, knowledge and access as those controlling the BRANCHES that are available.
In REALITY that's what ORGANIZATION is all about.
But those outside the ORGANIZATION has no barrier to LIMIT their KNOWLEDGE, ACCESS and INFORMATION about the ORGANIZATION because you can't track where they SOURCE the information they get ABOUT the ORGANIZATION.
Like someone said earlier there are some MATERIALS a publisher don't have access to, there are some elders don't have access to.
Whereas an OUTSIDER is making you aware of it and you THINK that person won't know beyond some of the FULL FLEDGE members?
he said there is nothing he does not know about Jehovah witnesses
Just present a better performing group that's all!
Always asking for better PERFORMANCE GROUP than yours. Who dey COMPETITE with YOUR GROUP?
The organization you are a member of always says INCREASE in POPULATION equals GOD'S BLESSINGS on the ORGANIZATION.
Let use that as a yardstick since its part of the STANDARD set by the ORGANIZATION to check better PERFORMING GROUP
What's the POPULATION of the ORGANIZATION(8.7mill) in relation to SEVEN DAY ADVENTIST(20mill) or Latter Day Saints(16)? What thou sayeth Maximus69?
Are they a better performing group than your ORGANIZATION? What do you have to say?
Since increase in population equals GOD'S BLESSINGS, will you readily AGREE these two Christian denominations that are CLOSE SIBLINGS of yours are better performing group than YOURS?
he said there is nothing he does not know about Jehovah witnesses
And you condescend his stance by stating even some that left and return only know 10% and an unbaptized publisher only knows did you say 50% blah blah without you seeking the reason he stated he knows more.
