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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by RealEzee(m): 4:22pm On Jun 07, 2020
shadeyinka:
JW's believe that Jesus is angel Micheal and as such, he could be seen by Stephen. Right hand could be explained away as a mere figurative expression. JW can twist any scripture to mean anything they want.
They know that Jehovah will not share His glory with anyone but they are willing to bend the scripture to suit their doctrine so that an angel can actually take Gods glory and be called by His personal name JEHOVAH.
the scripture says specifically say that Stephen saw christ on the right hand of God na, from where figure of speech come enter am kwa, the same scripture cited when christ told Mary I go to my father and your father, to my God and your God kwa smiley, both instances gives us an idea of the God the father, the son and the holy ghost,they're distinct, Sha interpretation can be funny at times oooosmiley.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 4:31pm On Jun 07, 2020
Maximus69:
Hen nah! cheesy

Rozz is comparing your TRINITY doctrine and Jehovah's Witnesses One God, she's trying to figure out the differences and how it's benefitting adherents from both side.

Jehovah's Witnesses are saying "if you've found the truth here, don't listen to noisy rivers, just cross over them and continue your journey to Paradise"

Pastors in churches are telling their members "don't listen to Jehovah's Witnesses"

My guy nah the same arrangement, you're to choose where to pitch your tent Sir! cheesy
To me, this is the only Truth you have been able to present. It may be unintentionally though.

All the things YOU HAVE BEEN POINTING out that makes you feel better with your group, it's the same with the other groups and the individuals in such groups.

THINGS YOU HAVE BEEN POINTING
OUT:
*. Happy people world over:

all the people who are still with their different groups are happy with such group. If not they could have left just as some unhappy people left your group.

*. Making disciples:

All the different groups continue to increase in number.

The Catholic Church, for example, have maintained highest in number despite the attacks they have received from almost all groups, your group being their wost attackers.

*. See what people (i.e outsiders) mark your group good at, advertisement (if it is in business), evangelism (i.e religious) or campaign (i.e politics).

But the point is that, if others are not going out for evangelism/campaign/advertisement, how have they maintained their high numbers of devotees?

The truth is that they do go, but they use different methods.

TYPES OF EVANGELISM
1. Literature evangelism
2. Media evangelism(radio,tv, social
media)
3. Person to person evangelism/house to
house evangelism
4. Open field evangelism/crusade
5. Mobile evangelism/bus preaching

Definitely, each group uses one of the above.

Truely speaking:
MY GUY NAH THE SAME ARRANGEMENT, you're TO choose WHERE to pitch your tent Sir! cheesy[/quote]*. Each group has bad/good people; Wise/unwise people;etc

*. Only God knows the numbers of people who are right with him in each group!
Take it or leave it.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 4:52pm On Jun 07, 2020
shadeyinka:
JW's believe that Jesus is angel Micheal and as such, he could be seen by Stephen. Right hand could be explained away as a mere figurative expression. JW can twist any scripture to mean anything they want.
They know that Jehovah will not share His glory with anyone but they are willing to bend the scripture to suit their doctrine so that an angel can actually take Gods glory and be called by His personal name JEHOVAH.
Nobody called any angel Jehovah Sir!

We are Jehovah's Witnesses, you can't grasp the concept of our heritage like us, if you're not humble enough before those chosen to teach us you can't understand anything in our book!

Oòse ti bi ìsáná kíè sóògùn

There is no organized group that's orderly like this one throughout the world! Matthew 5:14-16
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 4:52pm On Jun 07, 2020
RealEzee:
the scripture says specifically say that Stephen saw christ on the right hand of God na, from where figure of speech come enter am kwa, the same scripture cited when christ told Mary I go to my father and your father, to my God and your God kwa smiley, both instances gives us an idea of the God the father, the son and the holy ghost,they're distinct, Sha interpretation can be funny at times oooosmiley.
They don't care about the scriptures except it agrees with their doctrines. If they can arrive at the conclusion that Jesus is Angel Michael, what else can they not do with the scriptures
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 5:24pm On Jun 07, 2020
Maximus69:
You can't tell someone he's doing things in a wrong way, when he had a global family of fellow adherents benefitting themselves happily with the same line of thought.

You need to PRESENT, POINT, SHOW, DIRECT him/her to a better performing GROUP Sir! cheesy

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 5:41pm On Jun 07, 2020
shadeyinka:
They don't care about the scriptures except it agrees with their doctrines. If they can arrive at the conclusion that Jesus is Angel Michael, what else can they not do with the scriptures
Jesus is angel Michael Sir!

Whether you like it or not, he is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} please find another religious Organization that is PEACEFUL like JWs! Micah 4:1-3

If you can't find any then know that you're the one who doesn't know the true identity of Jesus! John 10:14,27

Let the world know the followers of the Prince of Peace through their peaceful movement throughout the earth! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 5:44pm On Jun 07, 2020
[quote author=rottennaija post=90413378][/quote]That's how your ancestors sentenced Jesus to death simply because he told them the TRUTH! cheesy
But you can't do such now again, there is FREEDOM of expression, speech and worship! cheesy
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by RealEzee(m): 6:00pm On Jun 07, 2020
shadeyinka:
They don't care about the scriptures except it agrees with their doctrines. If they can arrive at the conclusion that Jesus is Angel Michael, what else can they not do with the scriptures
strange things are happening
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 6:32pm On Jun 07, 2020
Maximus69:
That's how your ancestors sentenced Jesus to death simply because he told them the TRUTH! cheesy
But you can't do such now again, there is FREEDOM of expression, speech and worship! cheesy
You can spin it anyway you can. That same ancestors have the gb of JWs are their successors today, killing jesus all over again. Ones again,

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:49pm On Jun 07, 2020
rottennaija:
You can spin it anyway you can. That same ancestors have the gb of JWs are their successors today, killing jesus all over again. Ones again,
"By their FRUIT you will know them" Matthew 7:20

You posted the current instrument of execution Sir!
Back during the time of Jesus, it was the torture stake that the worldly authority used in executing Jesus, you're suggesting it for your fellowman simply because you both differ in beliefs!
Pharisees and Saddusees agreed that that is what Jesus deserve!
God bless you Sir! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:56pm On Jun 07, 2020
RealEzee:
strange things are happening
By their FRUIT" Matthew 7:20

If you're contemplating on arguments from both sides you will be lost, just focus on the outcome of the teachings {James 2:18- 26} NOT by what they're teaching that may sound confusing to you Sir! John 6:66, 10:20 smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:02pm On Jun 07, 2020
Maximus69:
"By their FRUIT you will know them" Matthew 7:20

You posted the current instrument of execution Sir!
Back during the time of Jesus, it was the torture stake that the worldly authority used in executing Jesus, you're suggesting it for your fellowman simply because you both differ in beliefs!
Pharisees and Saddusees agreed that that is what Jesus deserve!
God bless you Sir! smiley
Better be careful of these people! undecided undecided undecided

If someone could suggest this due to difference in beliefs, my brother be careful o! Luke 6:45 embarassed embarassed embarassed
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:07pm On Jun 07, 2020
TATIME:
Better be careful of these people! undecided undecided undecided

If someone could suggest this due to difference in beliefs, my brother be careful o! Luke 6:45 embarassed embarassed embarassed
Glory be to Jehovah!

He will hang his father and mother first, after all they're also JWs like me! cheesy
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 7:29pm On Jun 07, 2020
Maximus69:
"By their FRUIT you will know them" Matthew 7:20

You posted the current instrument of execution Sir!
Back during the time of Jesus, it was the torture stake that the worldly authority used in executing Jesus, you're suggesting it for your fellowman simply because you both differ in beliefs!
Pharisees and Saddusees agreed that that is what Jesus deserve!
God bless you Sir! smiley
If you cannot see reason why you should rest your case, then use it. It serves a better purpose and help rids the world of miscreants.

Also, it was actually the cross that Jesus died.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 7:36pm On Jun 07, 2020
TATIME:
Better be careful of these people! undecided undecided undecided

If someone could suggest this due to difference in beliefs, my brother be careful o! Luke 6:45 embarassed embarassed embarassed
You mean the same sort of people that believe their God will kill billions since they share different of beliefs? You guys are pathetic.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 7:37pm On Jun 07, 2020
Maximus69:
Glory be to Jehovah!

He will hang his father and mother first, after all they're also JWs like me! cheesy
Yes, and your wife and children both born and unborn and every members of your family if and when they continue to be as foolish as yourself
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 7:43pm On Jun 07, 2020
johnw47:
knowmore56

if you were not to delete the at the end of the user comments you have quoted
as in this post https://www.nairaland.com/5885909/im-beginning-reason-jehovah-witness/22#90390467
it would be easier to see in your posts where that user finishes and you start

it would also be easier for others to quote you
Ok thanks. Correction taken.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by RealEzee(m): 7:48pm On Jun 07, 2020
Maximus69:
By their FRUIT" Matthew 7:20

If you're contemplating on arguments from both sides you will be lost, just focus on the outcome of the teachings {James 2:18- 26} NOT by what they're teaching that may sound confusing to you Sir! John 6:66, 10:20 smiley
are you JW?
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:57pm On Jun 07, 2020
rottennaija:
If you cannot see reason why you should rest your case, then use it. It serves a better purpose and help rids the world of miscreants.
Jesus never gave up in scriptural debates, it's his oppositions that are desperately looking for ways to get rid of him! Matthew 22:46 compare to Isaiah 54:17

Also, it was actually the cross that Jesus died.
Whatever, the fact remains that Pharisees and Saddusees came together and concluded saying "he deserves to die" {Matthew 26:66} so Tatime has exposed the spirit in you! Luke 6:45

God bless you! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:58pm On Jun 07, 2020
rottennaija:
Yes, and your wife and children both born and unborn and every members of your family if and when they continue to be as foolish as yourself
The spirit of maliciousness! Matthew 7:20 smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:00pm On Jun 07, 2020
RealEzee:
are you JW?
By his undeserved kindness (grace)
YES! 2Corinthians 11:23
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 8:04pm On Jun 07, 2020
Maximus69:
The spirit of maliciousness! Matthew 7:20 smiley
And yet that is what you are!
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 8:07pm On Jun 07, 2020
Maximus69:
Jesus never gave up in scriptural debates, it's his oppositions that are desperately looking for ways to get rid of him! Matthew 22:46 compare to Isaiah 54:17


Whatever, the fact remains that Pharisees and Saddusees came together and concluded saying "he deserves to die" {Matthew 26:66} so Tatime has exposed the spirit in you! Luke 6:45

God bless you! smiley
Look at yourself in the mirror
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:33pm On Jun 07, 2020
rottennaija:
Look at yourself in the mirror
No need Sir, you can see me! cheesy

There are over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians on this planet alone, and out of all you singled out just one as your enemies. Whereas this one you're criticising is the most Peaceful of them all! smiley

Surely i don't need to look at myself again Sir, you've seen it all! cheesy
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:34pm On Jun 07, 2020
rottennaija:
And yet that is what you are!
Exactly Sir! cheesy
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 8:49pm On Jun 07, 2020
Janosky:
Shadeyinka super glued to DELUSION grin

Vs11 ""the angel of Jehovah came"
MUMU man, if I said the messenger of Shadeyinka came, do I mean that the Shadeyinka is the messenger? grin.
Psalms 91:11 "Jehovah gives His angels a command concerning you"
That angel spoke Jehovah's words to Gideon.
Verse 14 is crystal clear but DELUSIONAL mind wants to display his MUMU....
(For example,at public Events, where a Minister reads the President's Opening Address, the News headline report's "At the Event,President OBJ said....". but it's his Minister delivering the Presidential speech at the Event grin)
Shade Why you MUMU like this ? grin grin

11 And the angel of Jehovah came, and sat under the [a]oak which was in Ophrah, that pertained unto Joash the Abiezrite: and his son Gideon was beating out wheat in the winepress, to hide it from the Midianites. 12 And the angel of Jehovah appeared unto him, and said unto him, Jehovah is with thee, thou mighty man of valor. 13 And Gideon said unto him, Oh, my lord, if Jehovah is with us, why then is all this befallen us? and where are all his wondrous works which our fathers told us of, saying, Did not Jehovah bring us up from Egypt? but now Jehovah hath cast us off, and delivered us into the hand of Midian. 14 And Jehovah [b]looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and save Israel from the hand of Midian: have not I sent thee? 15 And he said unto him, Oh, Lord, wherewith shall I save Israel? behold, my [c]family is the poorest in Manasseh, and I am the least in my father’s house. 16 And Jehovah said unto him, Surely I will be with thee, and thou shalt smite the Midianites as one man. 17 And he said unto him, If now I have found favor in thy sight, then show me a sign that it is thou that talkest with me. 18 Depart not hence, I pray thee, until I come unto thee, and bring forth my [d]present, and lay it before thee. And he said, I will tarry until thou come again.

19 And Gideon went in, and made ready a kid, and unleavened cakes of an ephah of meal: the flesh he put in a basket, and he put the broth in a pot, and brought it out unto him under the [e]oak, and presented it. 20 And the angel of God said unto him, Take the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay them upon this rock, and pour out the broth. And he did so. 21 Then the angel of Jehovah put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and there went up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and the angel of Jehovah departed out of his sight. 22 And Gideon saw that he was the angel of Jehovah; and Gideon said, Alas, O Lord Jehovah! forasmuch as I have seen the angel of Jehovah face to face."

Judges 6:11-22 is an unbroken chain of conversation between the angel of Jehovah giving Gideon a firm assurance of Jehovah's support and protection of His people, Israel.

The million dollar question is:
Who did Gideon say himself saw and had conversations with?
Vs 22. Gideon Says :

" I have seen the angel of Jehovah face to face."

The MUMU man is here claiming that Exodus 33:20 . John 5:37. John 1:18. Psalms 91:11 are FALSE.

Bros, go and quarrel with Gideon for EXPOSURE of your MUMU grin
Bros, let's get something clear here.

Your group said Jesus is not the true mighty God because ' mighty God' can be human or angel;

The brother said if that is the case, the name Jehovah is ascribed to some angels and men,

Can this makes Jehovah not the true God?

That is what I am interested to know.

If angel was called Jehovah does not make the Father false God, neither the Son is a false God just because an angel was called mighty God.

Do you understand?
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by RealEzee(m): 8:52pm On Jun 07, 2020
Maximus69:
By his undeserved kindness (grace) YES! 2Corinthians 11:23
aiit, I see why now.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:10pm On Jun 07, 2020
RealEzee:
aiit, I see why now.
God bless you! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47:
Maximus69:
Hen nah! cheesy

Rozz is comparing your TRINITY doctrine and Jehovah's Witnesses One God, she's trying to figure out the differences and how it's benefitting adherents from both side.

Jehovah's Witnesses are saying "if you've found the truth here, don't listen to noisy rivers, just cross over them and continue your journey to Paradise"

Pastors in churches are telling their members "don't listen to Jehovah's Witnesses"

My guy nah the same arrangement, you're to choose where to pitch your tent Sir! cheesy
polytheist false jw

in the bible-God's word, the one true God YHWH, is called both almighty God and mighty God

your false jw gods, almighty god the father and mighty god Jesus are two god's


the names-titles almighty God and mighty God refers to the one true God:

Gen 17:1  And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, Jehovah appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am God Almighty; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Psa 50:1  The Mighty God, Jehovah, hath spoken, And called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 12:30am On Jun 08, 2020
Maximus69:
No need Sir, you can see me! cheesy

There are over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians on this planet alone, and out of all you singled out just one as your enemies. Whereas this one you're criticising is the most Peaceful of them all! smiley

Surely i don't need to look at myself again Sir, you've seen it all! cheesy
yes your lies are seen
your refusing to reply to truth is seen
your puffed up pride is seen etc. etc. etc.

it is seen you are just like your daddy:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 12:55am On Jun 08, 2020
Maximus69:
There is no organized group that's orderly like this one throughout the world!
puffed up false jw

you are so insecure in your false religion that you are every day trying to convince yourself
and your fellow sectarians
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 5:44am On Jun 08, 2020
rottennaija:
Here you go again, jumping from frying pan to fire. Mr. Mumu detector of mumu, Please tell, in these verses, what is real and what is not.


Revelation 19:11-14
Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses


Please tell what is real and what is not and also tell me what the apostle John said he saw.
So you can't tell me if the dragon with seven heads is real ? grin grin grin Are u denying animals in heaven ?

Apart from white horse .
there is a RED HORSE too in the same revelation, how real is that to you ??


" Then another horse appeared, a red one. " Rev 6:4


grin grin grin

And let me show you another rider in Rev 6:8, Your head will reset by force.

" And I looked, and there was a pale green horse. The horseman on it was named Death, and Hades was following after him. "

Green Horse . grin

Hades has legs and walking after it .

If your brain still didnt see this descriptions for the symbolism they are. You are definitely sick
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