Peacefullove:

So you can't tell me if the dragon with seven heads is real ? Are u denying animals in heaven ?

Apart from white horse .
there is a RED HORSE too in the same revelation, how real is that to you ??


" Then another horse appeared, a red one. " Rev 6:4



And let me show you another rider in Rev 6:8, Your head will reset by force.

" And I looked, and there was a pale green horse. The horseman on it was named Death, and Hades was following after him. "

Green Horse .

Hades has legs and walking after it .

If your brain still didnt see this descriptions for the symbolism they are. You are definitely sick

You see how foolish you can be, when you asked about the Red Horse, Black Horse, Pale Horse, White Horse have not seen nor heard of different colours of horses before? And those horses were name are given, death, hunger, wars etc.

But you foolish ignorance didn't see the questions I asked earlier. And I still repeat it, whether they stand for something, real, imagine, what did the apostle John see? Horses. And what are horses, animals. And where did he see them? Heaven

Right from the beginning of these your senseless and baseless arguments, did I ever ask you or say to you this is real or not? It started with humans spirit being, a word I coin for what John observed. I agree totally that they were spirit beings but humans. Have you fool one ever heard of the expression Angelic spirit beings, a nomenclature which differentiate this particular spirit beings from another?

But since your had this myopic inclination, you start twisting things from left right center. The spirit beings in heaven are called 24 Elders, which is a human nomenclature. Let me ask you senseless ones, do we have elders in heaven? Where elders created in heaven? Are elders not human nomenclature?

But now, in the Revelation given to John, this human spirit creature are appropriately described as elders. What did you do? You start jumping from here to there just to satisfy your ego.

I asked you a simple question... What did John see? A horse. What is a horse?... A resonance silence becomes your senseless lot just so that you will not utter the 6 letter word animal.

Irrespective of what it means, symbolic, real, imagine, John saw a horse... Which is an animal in heaven. Period.

What did John see? A dragon.... Are dragons animals? Foolish one, what is a dragon? Can you beat your chest and say that God created dragons in his creative works? Was it before creating the Dinasours or after? Are Dragons not as much a myth as Dinasours, Unicorns, Krakens, Mermaids, Hydras?

But ask me the question, what did John see? A dragon would be my response. Whether it is real or not is besides the point. What he was was a dragon. Is a dragon an animal? There is no such classification as you cannot classify Unicorns, Krakens, Mermaids, Hydras.

So keep changing the narrative. It's called a straw man's argument.

Peacefullove:

So you can't tell me if the dragon with seven heads is real ? Are u denying animals in heaven ?

Apart from white horse .
there is a RED HORSE too in the same revelation, how real is that to you ??


" Then another horse appeared, a red one. " Rev 6:4



And let me show you another rider in Rev 6:8, Your head will reset by force.

" And I looked, and there was a pale green horse. The horseman on it was named Death, and Hades was following after him. "

Green Horse .

Hades has legs and walking after it .

If your brain still didnt see this descriptions for the symbolism they are. You are definitely sick

They often make no sense in their bid to falsify the TRUTH but please my dear brother just present the TRUTH to them in a calm and respectful manner {Proverbs 15:1; 2Timothy 2:24-25} Apostle Peter had the experience before he wrote his letter to us because they'll come as if they want to know a reason for the FAITH that's keeping you away from them but in reality they've come to attack you, so all you need is to respond with mild temper and deep respect! 1Peter 3:15
Agape!

rottennaija:


You see how foolish you can be, when you asked about the Red Horse, Black Horse, Pale Horse, White Horse have not seen nor heard of different colours of horses before? And those horses were name are given, death, hunger, wars etc.

But you foolish ignorance didn't see the questions I asked earlier. And I still repeat it, whether they stand for something, real, imagine, what did the apostle John see? Horses. And what are horses, animals. And where did he see them? Heaven

Right from the beginning of these your senseless and baseless arguments, did I ever ask you or say to you this is real or not? It started with humans spirit being, a word I coin for what John observed. [color=red] I agree totally that they were spirit beings but humans. [/b] Have you fool one ever heard of the expression Angelic spirit beings, a nomenclature which differentiate this particular spirit beings from another?

But since your had this myopic inclination, you start twisting things from left right center. The spirit beings in heaven are called 24 Elders, which is a human nomenclature. Let me ask you senseless ones, do we have elders in heaven? Where elders created in heaven? Are elders not human nomenclature?

But now, in the Revelation given to John, this human spirit creature are appropriately described as elders. What did you do? You start jumping from here to there just to satisfy your ego.

I asked you a simple question... What did John see? A horse. What is a horse?... A resonance silence becomes your senseless lot just so that you will not utter the 6 letter word animal.

Irrespective of what it means, symbolic, real, imagine, John saw a horse... Which is an animal in heaven. Period.

What did John see? A dragon.... Are dragons animals? Foolish one, what is a dragon? Can you beat your chest and say that God created dragons in his creative works? Was it before creating the Dinasours or after? Are Dragons not as much a myth as Dinasours, Unicorns, Krakens, Mermaids, Hydras?

But ask me the question, what did John see? A dragon would be my response. Whether it is real or not is besides the point. What he was was a dragon. Is a dragon an animal? There is no such classification as you cannot classify Unicorns, Krakens, Mermaids, Hydras.

So keep changing the narrative. It's called a straw man's argument.

Nowhere are spirit beings CALLED HUMAN!!! They may be given such descriptions e.g God been Aged of days . God waking up from sleep etc . But he was never called human , that title is reserved for earthly people. EXCLUSIVELY.

What appeared at Rev 21:3,4 , Humans or spirit beings ?

Peacefullove:

Nowhere are spirit beings CALLED HUMAN!!! They may be given such descriptions e.g God been Aged of days . God waking up from sleep etc . But he was never called human , that title is reserved for earthly people. EXCLUSIVELY.

What appeared at Rev 21:3,4 , Humans or spirit beings ?

And horses are what?

rottennaija:


And horses are what?

Show me where those riding the horses are called Humans ?

Peacefullove:


Show me where those riding the horses are called Humans ?

Here he goes again. Jumping from one point to another.

Don't worry. I understand how it is. I was a Jw, I understand the difficulties in agreeing that someone whom you are supposed to preach to, whom you despise happens to have way more faith, his beliefs are far truer and is serving a true God whom you believe are false.

I understand the difficulties in admitting the religion whom we have always believed to be truth is false, even as false as many others you despise.

I understand that difficulties. I was there. Sometimes, it makes us look like fools. So I don't really blame you too much. It's a conditioned mind.

rottennaija:

Foolish Jozzy4, you have been hiding, now you have found your voice. I asked you question earlier and you couldn't find your voice. A fool will always remain a fool

The bold correctly applied to you. Consider this : The Greek word rendered Human or mankind at Revelation 21:3,4 encompasses both Male and Female , young or old, Are there Male and female in heaven ? Sense ehn , e far from you.

rottennaija:

Here he goes again. Jumping from one point to another.

Don't worry. I understand how it is. I was a Jw, I understand the difficulties in agreeing that someone whom you are supposed to preach to, whom you despise happens to have way more faith, his beliefs are far truer and is serving a true God whom you believe are false.

I understand the difficulties in admitting the religion whom we have always believed to be truth is false, even as false as many others you despise.

I understand that difficulties. I was there. Sometimes, it makes us look like fools. So I don't really blame you too much. It's a conditioned mind.

Keep shut there , The horses are they male or female horses? Stupid man

Peacefullove:


Show me where those riding the horses are called Humans ?

He knows he is wrong, just playing with words . The fool as he call himself Failed to grasp the deep meaning of the Greek word Human, Genesis 5:2 you gave him earlier should have enlightened him. But he just wanna remain the fool he call himself.

Jozzy4:


Keep shut there , The horses are they male or female horses? Stupid man

Very foolish question from a demented stupid fellow.

Jozzy4:

He knows he is wrong, just playing with words . The fool as he call himself Failed to grasp the deep meaning of the Greek word Human, Genesis 5:2 you gave him earlier should have enlightened him. But he just wanna remain the fool he call himself.

When a fool like yourself first accept that horse are animal, then you can ask of the gender O foolish one.

rottennaija:

Here he goes again. Jumping from one point to another.

Don't worry. I understand how it is. I was a Jw, I understand the difficulties in agreeing that someone whom you are supposed to preach to, whom you despise happens to have way more faith, his beliefs are far truer and is serving a true God whom you believe are false.

I understand the difficulties in admitting the religion whom we have always believed to be truth is false, even as false as many others you despise.

I understand that difficulties. I was there. Sometimes, it makes us look like fools. So I don't really blame you too much. It's a conditioned mind.

The underlined is 100% true!

Just that some FAITH only appear on faceless social media without any visible WORK in the society! James 2:26

Maximus69:


The underlined is 100% true!

Just that some FAITH only appear on faceless social media without any visible WORK in the society! James 2:26

And faith isn't enough?

rottennaija:


And faith isn't enough?

James 2:18-26

Maximus69:


James 2:18-26

James 2:15 Suppose you see a brother or sister who needs food or clothing,

James 2:16 and you say, "Well, good-bye and God bless you; stay warm and eat well"—but then you don't give that person any food or clothing. What good does that do?

James 2:17 So you see, it isn't enough just to have faith. Faith that doesn't show itself by good deeds is no faith at all—it is dead and useless.

James 2:18 Now someone may argue, "Some people have faith; others have good deeds." I say, "I can't see your faith if you don't have good deeds, but I will show you my faith through my good deeds."

James 2:19 Do you still think it's enough just to believe that there is one God? Well, even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror!
James 2:20 Fool! When will you ever learn that faith that does not result in good deeds is useless?

James 2:21 Don't you remember that our ancestor Abraham was declared right with God because of what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?

James 2:22 You see, he was trusting God so much that he was willing to do whatever God told him to do. His faith was made complete by what he did—by his actions.

James 2:23 And so it happened just as the Scriptures say: "Abraham believed God, so God declared him to be righteous." He was even called "the friend of God."

James 2:24 So you see, we are made right with God by what we do, not by faith alone.


So what does it say? That faith isn't enough?
Probably I should ask again more pointedly, is faith enough enough for salvation?

rottennaija:


James 2:15 Suppose you see a brother or sister who needs food or clothing,

James 2:16 and you say, "Well, good-bye and God bless you; stay warm and eat well"—but then you don't give that person any food or clothing. What good does that do?

James 2:17 So you see, it isn't enough just to have faith. Faith that doesn't show itself by good deeds is no faith at all—it is dead and useless.

James 2:18 Now someone may argue, "Some people have faith; others have good deeds." I say, "I can't see your faith if you don't have good deeds, but I will show you my faith through my good deeds."

James 2:19 Do you still think it's enough just to believe that there is one God? Well, even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror!
James 2:20 Fool! When will you ever learn that faith that does not result in good deeds is useless?

James 2:21 Don't you remember that our ancestor Abraham was declared right with God because of what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?

James 2:22 You see, he was trusting God so much that he was willing to do whatever God told him to do. His faith was made complete by what he did—by his actions.

James 2:23 And so it happened just as the Scriptures say: "Abraham believed God, so God declared him to be righteous." He was even called "the friend of God."

James 2:24 So you see, we are made right with God by what we do, not by faith alone.


So what does it say? That faith isn't enough?
Probably I should ask again more pointedly, is faith enough enough for salvation?

When you see a brother or sister

In which group are you supposed to get your so called brother/sister because Jesus specified that everyone around us are our neighbours but he himself referred to specific set of people as "my brothers and sisters"

So who are your own relatives in Christ, to whom you have a duty to treat like brothers and sisters? Matthew 12:39

Maximus69:


When you see a brother or sister

In which group are you supposed to get your so called brother/sister because Jesus specified that everyone around us are our neighbours but he himself referred to specific set of people as "my brothers and sisters"

So who are your own relatives in Christ, to whom you have a duty to treat like brothers and sisters? Matthew 12:39

Ignoramus rant as usual

rottennaija:

James 2:24 So you see, we are made right with God by what we do, not by faith alone.


So what does it say? That faith isn't enough?
Probably I should ask again more pointedly, is faith enough enough for salvation?

Maximus! You dey see wetin i dey see?

Please can you reconcile both coloured quotations?

TATIME:


Maximus! You dey see wetin i dey see?

Please can you reconcile both coloured quotations?

He is aggrieved as he couldn't falsify what JWs are saying so he will resort to insults and curses soon!

Frustration comes when someone is battling seriously to establish what is not true or bitterly struggling to refute what is obvious to one and all!

He quoted the Bible himself yet questioning what he himself quoted from God's word!

Really pathetic!

Jozzy4:


The bold correctly applied to you. Consider this : The Greek word rendered Human or mankind at Revelation 21:3,4 encompasses both Male and Female , young or old, Are there Male and female in heaven ? Sense ehn , e far from you.

Finishing ... Rottennaija can go and faint now

a certain moderator called mynd44 as i was told keeps banning me every three weeks for filmsy reasons, I don't know what his/her problem is.i have been following but could not comment.maximus69 good morning sir

maximus69 you already stated in one of your comments that you are a soldier but ain't you going against what your organization stands for since they don't believe in military service,national anthem or voting

Rozz:
maximus69 you already stated in one of your comments that you are a soldier but ain't you going against what your organization stands for since they don't believe in military service,national anthem or voting

That's before i became a Christian!

Jesus told Peter "put away your sword (weapon) for all those who settle matters with the use of weapons (swords) will perish by the sword (weapons)" Matthew 26:52
After reading this passage of the Bible i couldn't rest until i found the JWs who told me that Christians ought not carry weapons for any reason whatsoever!
That was how i lost my job as a trained killer but recruited by Christ to catch men alive {Matthew 4:19; Luke 5:20} let me tell you that the work of soldiers wasn't primarily to kill but to force the opponents to surrender. But JWs taught me how to fight psychologically so that your opponent remains unharmed and most amazing is after gaining your opponent to your side, he now see you as more important than his blood relations.
Truly God's word is the most effective weapon of all times! Hebrew 4:12

Rozz:
a certain moderator called mynd44 as i was told keeps banning me every three weeks for filmsy reasons, I don't know what his/her problem is.i have been following but could not comment.maximus69 good morning sir

Good morning my dear young lady!

We're living in a world full of injustice, the moderators are working tirelessly to avoid the boycottable.
It costs lesser to ban a Nairalander and reinstate him/her again than for the superior authorities to ban Nairaland.
If you know what i mean!

Maximus69:


Good morning my dear young lady!

We're living in a world full of injustice, the moderators are working tirelessly to avoid the boycottable.
It costs lesser to ban a Nairalander and reinstate him/her again than for the superior authorities to ban Nairaland.
If you know what i mean!

funny i used the period to my advantage anways.

Maximus69:


Jesus is angel Michael Sir

Whether you like it or not, he is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} please find another religious Organization that is PEACEFUL like JWs! Micah 4:1-3

Can you provide scriptural evidence of this claim Sir. Where the bible called Jesus angel Michael.

hoopernikao:


Can you provide scriptural evidence of this claim Sir. Where the bible called Jesus angel Michael.

Even if i should provide all the evidence in the world quoting from Genesis to Revelation, you will not believe.
But the greatest evidence is here before you, Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only Peaceful group globally!
They're saying that the one who made this possible is called Michael (Jesus) who is the Prince of Peace, so before doubting their claim think of another religious group that has successfully gathered people from all over the earth under one umbrella to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally!

©Daniel 12:1 says Michael is the great Prince compare to Isaiah 9:6

©@1Thessalonians 4:16 Paul said Jesus will come with the voice of the archangel compare to Jude 9

©Revelations 12:7 says Michael and his angels, whereas there is no other name mentioned in to have his own angels apart from Jesus! Matthew 25:31

I know you will not believe this but just go and find a group that has succeeded in making LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign in their midst apart from JWs who are saying Michael (Jesus) is their commander! Matthew 20:18-20

God bless you!

Maximus69:


Even if i should provide all the evidence in the world quoting from Genesis to Revelation, you will not believe.
But the greatest evidence is here before you, Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only Peaceful group globally!
They're saying that the one who made this possible is called Michael (Jesus) who is the Prince of Peace, so before doubting their claim think of another religious group that has successfully gathered people from all over the earth under one umbrella to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally!

©Daniel 12:1 says Michael is the great Prince compare to Isaiah 9:6

©@1Thessalonians 4:16 Paul said Jesus will come with the voice of the archangel compare to Jude 9

©Revelations 12:7 says Michael and his angels, whereas there is no other name mentioned in to have his own angels apart from Jesus! Matthew 25:31

I know you will not believe this but just go and find a group that has succeeded in making LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign in their midst apart from JWs who are saying Michael (Jesus) is their commander! Matthew 20:18-20

God bless you!

I will come to all the verses you mentioned above. But you didnt answer my question.

Show me where Jesus is called Michael in the bible. Show me the exact text of the scriptures.

hoopernikao:



I will come to all the verses you mentioned above. But you did answer my question.

Show me where Jesus is called Michael in the bible. Show me the exact text of the scriptures.

please answer him maximus69

hoopernikao:



I will come to all the verses you mentioned above. But you did answer my question.

Show me where Jesus is called Michael in the bible. Show me the exact text of the scriptures.

We read with insight because Jesus only reveal his identity to those who exercise faith in him.
So you can never find anywhere in the scriptures where Michael is called Jesus just as there is nowhere in the scriptures that says Elijah is John the baptist.

Now think of what Jews who don't want to believe Jesus will say after considering the scripture that says Elijah will come before the Messiah. Jesus secretly told his own followers that Elijah has come, but who will convince those unbelieving Jews?

So Jesus is the Prince of Peace whose followers will have PEACE amongst them!

Rozz:
please answer him maximus69

It's a sacred secret that's reserved only for true believers. Matthew 13:11

There are so many things Jesus kept away from others but revealed to his close friends. Matthew 17:9

So if those looking at us today refuses to accept us as Jesus' true followers, there is no way we can help them because they're ignoring the sign Jesus asked them to watch out for to identify us! John 13:34-35

They will continue to ask us "show us this, show us that" Matthew 12:39
Rozz they are seeing the signs but they're not satisfied so there is no way to help them!

Maximus69:


We read with insight because Jesus only reveal his identity to those who exercise faith in him.
So you can never find anywhere in the scriptures where Michael is called Jesus just as there is nowhere in the scriptures that says Elijah is John the baptist.

Now think of what Jews who don't want to believe Jesus will say after considering the scripture that says Elijah will come before the Messiah. Jesus secretly told his own followers that Elijah has come, but who will convince those unbelieving Jews?

So Jesus is the Prince of Peace whose followers will have PEACE amongst them!

So, it was an insight? Abi?

Yet you constantly ask that others should show you where Jesus is called God or Trinity used in the bible directly. Can't that be insight too?

You believe it's an insight to say Jesus is an angel just because it is only written that he will come with the voice of an angel, yet you neglect where he was called MY LORD, MY GOD; OUR GOD, JESUS CHRIST; THE WORD OF GOD; ONLY LORD GOD, JESUS CHRIST.

These ones are not insight. Abi?

You have been given over 20 scriptures that INSIGHTFULLY (using your terminology) but arguably pointed to Jesus as God. Yet you neglect and held to 3 scriptures that 2 of it does not even have Jesus mentioned in it and the last voice of angel and trumpet of God. Think on that yourself.

Which of these has more scriptures to settle or discuss.

Jesus as angels or Jesus as God?

No scriptures pointed to Jesus as Angel, yet you want me to insightfully see it when we have many insightfully plethora of scriptures arguably refering to Christ divinity as God.

Be careful sir.