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Xposed2020:
Well, lemme assist you for those who care to listen.
How Christianity was founded.

- Miraculous Birth of Christ.

Adam (1Timothy 2:13) and Melchizedek (Hebrew 7:3) were without father and mother unlike Jesus that has mother (Matthew 1;16).

- People saw Jesus performing miracles just as others before him did (Joshua; the sun & moon stood still Joshua 10:12-14, Aaron; Exodus 7:10-12, 7:20-25, 18:5-14, Exodus 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17; Num 17:8, 20:7-11, 21:8-9, Joshua 3:14-17; Elisah raised the shunammite's son 2kings 4:32-37, 2king chapter 2, 3, 4 & 5; Dead man raised by touching his bone (2kings 13:21) Daniel 6:16-23; Jonah 2:1-10;
https://www.bible-history.com/old-testament/miracles.html )

https://www.learnreligions.com/people-raised-from-the-dead-in-the-bible-4109363

lots more and decided to worship him just as Robert Powell who cast as Jesus Christ (In the 1977 movies, Jesus of Nazareth) is presently worshipped by Christians.
https://www.thenewsnigeria.com.ng/2016/01/30/stop-worshipping-me-i-am-not-the-real-jesus-actor/amp/

Origin of Salvation
- Caiaphas the high priest that year told the Jewish leaders "it's expedient Jesus die for others" so that the Romans won't kill & take over their land (John 11:50, 18:14).
So from that day on, the Jews plotted to take Jesus' life which prompted him into hiding for his dear life. (John 11:53-54). They tried to kill Jesus by obtaining false testimony (Matt 26:59).
Besides the high priest has a bad character.

- The signs of Jonah was not fulfilled (Jonah being alive in the belly of the whale for 3days, 3 nights as against Jesus "dead" for 1day, 2nights).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euWnszt47wg

- Jesus attest not to have ascended.

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. (John 20:17).

- Jesus denounce divinity on numerous occasions but the people won't take no for an answer.

“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone (Matthew 24:36).

I can do nothing on my own. I judge as God tells me. Therefore, my judgment is just, because I carry out the will of the one who sent me, not my own will. (John 5:30).

"You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.'" (John 14:28).

No, it is rather by means of God's power that I drive out demons, and this proves that the Kingdom of God has already come to you. (Luke 11:20; Matthew 12:28).

My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
(John 10:29).

“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know (Acts 2:22).

- Jesus Christ came for the Jews only according to his testimony, he was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel/Jews. (Matthew 15:24, Matthew 10:6, Romans 9:11).

- But Jesus will come back to save the World

Nope! He was kept as a witness against those that thought he was God and worshipped him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Ume7SE_is

FELLOW BRETHREN PLEASE READ YOUR SCRIPTURE YOUR SELF AND NOT YOUR PASTOR OR EUROPEANS.
Peace be unto you!

of all people Zakir Naik, the guy that has been wiped all over the internet, answer my questions, my debate is with you not "Dr" Zakir Naik

fortran12:
of all people Zakir Naik, the guy that has been wiped all over the internet, answer my questions, my debate is with you not "Dr" Zakir Naik

Of all the Biblical evidences, it was Zakir Naik that you saw?
When the very foundation of your faith is threatened, all you can say is resins, black dog, who is a slave or not, Zakir Naik?
If you are not ashamed, I am ashamed for Christians coupled with the scientific blunders in their word of "God".

fortran12:
of all people Zakir Naik, the guy that has been wiped all over the internet, answer my questions, my debate is with you not "Dr" Zakir Naik

provide evidence.

fortran12:
Chief you are running away, shebi u said you are so good in debating, answer my questions e. you are trying to cover the question with irrelevant content.
Did Mohammed racially abuse Bilal by calling him a resin head, yes or no?

Racism originate from Jesus Christ.
Okay?

Am ashamed for Christians.
Is the earth Flat?
Does water cycle exist or not?
Does the earth moves?
At least if not for anything, if Christians do use their brains, they ought to have denounced a concocted faith that only insane, blind, deaf & dump people ought to practice.

fortran12:
of all people Zakir Naik, the guy that has been wiped all over the internet, answer my questions, my debate is with you not "Dr" Zakir Naik

I know you can't answer my questions and don't have answers or solutions to all the discrepancies littered all over your Bible.
I am putting up all these for those that have and use their brains to take it up as a challenge and read up the verses & clips I put forward & by implications read the whole Bible.

Islam is not like Christianity that a Scholar clearly misinterprets the words of God and you take it hook, line and sinker.

I understood why you wanted me to agree with a scholar as against the words of God clearly written. It is because that's how Christianity was founded as against Jesus words to St. Paul's.

fortran12:
of all people Zakir Naik, the guy that has been wiped all over the internet, answer my questions, my debate is with you not "Dr" Zakir Naik

Mind you I did the above writeup myself as i only gave a link to Zakir Naik's video as to the reason for the second coming of Jesus Christ pbuh. InshaAllah I'll offer my book (The Origin of Faith) free to you when it is published.

I actually enjoy having discourse as it gives me inspiration and motivates me.
I just thought of "The hypocrisy of Christians" and IshaAllah I'll acknowledge you there.
I'll actually cite all what Christians condemn in the Qur'an that was found in the Bible and if the basis of rejecting the Qur'an will make them reject their Holy Bible.

Xposed2020:
Racism originate from Jesus Christ.
Okay?

Am ashamed for Christians.
Is the earth Flat?
Does water cycle exist or not?
Does the earth moves?
At least if not for anything, if Christians do use their brains, they ought to have denounced a concocted faith that only insane, blind, deaf & dump people ought to practice.

See how you avoided my question? I asked you a direct question, and as usual, red herring again. If you as logically sound as you claim. Answer the question. Why diverting attention to an unrelated statement.
E.g I ask you "Did you log on the Nairaland via the internet today?" and your response is telling me the history of the internet. Can you see there is no relationship. There is something called critical analysis. Try look it up.

Xposed2020:
Mind you I did the above writeup myself as i only gave a link to Zakir Naik's video as to the reason for the second coming of Jesus Christ pbuh. InshaAllah I'll offer my book (The Origin of Faith) free to you when it is published.

I actually enjoy having discourse as it gives me inspiration and motivates me.
I just thought of "The hypocrisy of Christians" and IshaAllah I'll acknowledge you there.
I'll actually cite all what Christians condemn in the Qur'an that was found in the Bible and if the basis of rejecting the Qur'an will make them reject their Holy Bible.

If you have a book am sure it will contain lots of half truths, and cherry picking. Ordinary conversation on nairaland you are committing into fallacies all over the place. I wonder who reviews the book and gave it a pass.
So according to you , you know the quran is not perfect based on what christians say about the quran.

Xposed2020:
I know you can't answer my questions and don't have answers or solutions to all the discrepancies littered all over your Bible.
I am putting up all these for those that have and use their brains to take it up as a challenge and read up the verses & clips I put forward & by implications read the whole Bible.

Islam is not like Christianity that a Scholar clearly misinterprets the words of God and you take it hook, line and sinker.

I understood why you wanted me to agree with a scholar as against the words of God clearly written. It is because that's how Christianity was founded as against Jesus words to St. Paul's.

You dont have opinions in isalm, once its in the hadith its a law. Your prophet asks you to drink camel urine and milk. You dare not condemn him for saying that, despite the fact that you know its harmful. so your opinion about camel urine does not count. Mohammed is always right.

The mistake you make is thinking Christianity was by Paul. the disciples were called christians before Paul was one. so how can that be logically possible that Paul created Christianity. Think about it.

Xposed2020:
I know you can't answer my questions and don't have answers or solutions to all the discrepancies littered all over your Bible.
I am putting up all these for those that have and use their brains to take it up as a challenge and read up the verses & clips I put forward & by implications read the whole Bible.

Islam is not like Christianity that a Scholar clearly misinterprets the words of God and you take it hook, line and sinker.

I understood why you wanted me to agree with a scholar as against the words of God clearly written. It is because that's how Christianity was founded as against Jesus words to St. Paul's.

The Paul you are castigating, your prophet referred to in the quran that your islamic scholar, al-Qurtubi, agrees with and says Paul was sent to Rome. Or you want to throw Al Qurtubi under the bus as you did for Ibn Khatir ? or you just practicing tequiyya that you guys are famous for?

fortran12:
The Paul you are castigating, your prophet referred to in the quran that your islamic scholar, al-Qurtubi, agrees with and says Paul was sent to Rome. Or you want to throw Al Qurtubi under the bus as you did for Ibn Khatir ? or you just practicing tequiyya that you guys are famous for?

I am not like you Christians that worship scholars against who my scripture said I should worship.
I guess u throw 32 Christian scholars on top aeroplane.
I know you are pained I stick to the Qur'an instead of tafsir. But you stick to KJV against what your scripture says.

fortran12:
The Paul you are castigating, your prophet referred to in the quran that your islamic scholar, al-Qurtubi, agrees with and says Paul was sent to Rome. Or you want to throw Al Qurtubi under the bus as you did for Ibn Khatir ? or you just practicing tequiyya that you guys are famous for?

All these confusion was instigated by Paul.
Even Jesus will deny Paul & his teachings should he come back.

fortran12:
You dont have opinions in isalm, once its in the hadith its a law. Your prophet asks you to drink camel urine and milk. You dare not condemn him for saying that, despite the fact that you know its harmful. so your opinion about camel urine does not count. Mohammed is always right.

The mistake you make is thinking Christianity was by Paul. the disciples were called christians before Paul was one. so how can that be logically possible that Paul created Christianity. Think about it.

You are absolutely correct.
We don't share in God's divinity, throne & creation.
He alone decrees whatsoever pleases Him.

Religion has been perfected by God, so how do mere mortals dare distort what they know not.

It was the opinions of Whites that led to KJV adding what was not in the original Greek manuscripts, it is what led to NRSV, footnote turning into verses of the Bible as God's word, It also led to those that thought earth has 4 corner to add it and lots of trash & interpolations.

Continue to have opinion of the religion that God has already perfected before you were created.

The moment we have opinion

fortran12:
You dont have opinions in isalm, once its in the hadith its a law. Your prophet asks you to drink camel urine and milk. You dare not condemn him for saying that, despite the fact that you know its harmful. so your opinion about camel urine does not count. Mohammed is always right.

The mistake you make is thinking Christianity was by Paul. the disciples were called christians before Paul was one. so how can that be logically possible that Paul created Christianity. Think about it.

Did you condemn Jesus when he asked you to buy a sword?

fortran12:
The Paul you are castigating, your prophet referred to in the quran that your islamic scholar, al-Qurtubi, agrees with and says Paul was sent to Rome. Or you want to throw Al Qurtubi under the bus as you did for Ibn Khatir ? or you just practicing tequiyya that you guys are famous for?

WEF date I'll not explain anything to you, I'll only refer you to similar act in the Bible.
First condemn the Bible & Christianity for such act before you look at Qur'an or Muslims.

You forgot to mediate between Catholics & Protestants killing each other over the years all over the world in their millions but was more concerned about Shiites & Sunnis.

First remove the speck in your eyes before . . .

Xposed2020:
I am not like you Christians that worship scholars against who my scripture said I should worship.
I guess u throw 32 Christian scholars on top aeroplane.
I know you are pained I stick to the Qur'an instead of tafsir. But you stick to KJV against what your scripture says.

Who worships scholars? What is KJV what is scripture?. You stick to Quran right? I asked about stuff in your hadith and you keep mum. You have a talent for dodging questions. I salute you.

Xposed2020:
WEF date I'll not explain anything to you, I'll only refer you to similar act in the Bible.
First condemn the Bible & Christianity for such act before you look at Qur'an or Muslims.

You forgot to mediate between Catholics & Protestants killing each other over the years all over the world in their millions but was more concerned about Shiites & Sunnis.

First remove the speck in your eyes before . . .

Jesus does not support killing and he never killed anyone, so if some Christians are killing themselves that is un-Christ like and they do not speak for Christianity. But islam, Mohammed was known to be a violent man, one a particular day, he killed 700 jews, another time, an old woman wrote a poem against him which he did not like, next he did was to tie the woman to two camels and made the animals run in opposite directions thus tearing the old woman into 2 halves, another case he drove nails into the eyes of some people (though they did wrong). These are the acts of the best of men in the muslim world. So if 2 islamic factions are killing themselves, one can easily say they were inspired by their prophet.

[quote author=Xposed2020 post=90565232]Did you condemn Jesus when he asked you to buy a sword?[/quote
It was to fulfill prophecy, am sure you dont know that. You have unanswered questions. You are known to run away from answering anything that shows your guy in bad light, some of which are written in your books. There was a time Mohammed was under the influence of a magic spell, how can that happen to a prophet of allah. Mohammed who has no prophecy that came to pass except for the prophecy that exposed him to be a false prophet and caused his death.

Xposed2020:
All these confusion was instigated by Paul.
Even Jesus will deny Paul & his teachings should he come back.

The Jesus you are expecting? so Jesus is alive and mohammed is dead, his followers did not bury him on time thinking he would rise after his death. Thid id based on the fact that he said the ground would reject his body etc. Next thing after 3 days his corpse swelled up and began to stink. he had to be buried immediately. But Jesus on the other hand after 3 days he resurrected with a new body.

Xposed2020:
You are absolutely correct.
We don't share in God's divinity, throne & creation.
He alone decrees whatsoever pleases Him.

Religion has been perfected by God, so how do mere mortals dare distort what they know not.

It was the opinions of Whites that led to KJV adding what was not in the original Greek manuscripts, it is what led to NRSV, footnote turning into verses of the Bible as God's word, It also led to those that thought earth has 4 corner to add it and lots of trash & interpolations.

Continue to have opinion of the religion that God has already perfected before you were created.

The moment we have opinion

Which God are you talking about, is it the one with 3 daughters Al- Lat ,al-'Uzza and Manat. the one also known as Al-Lah the sun god, the one with 2 arms on his right side?

fortran12:
Which God are you talking about, is it the one with 3 daughters Al- Lat ,al-'Uzza and Manat. the one also known as Al-Lah the sun god, the one with 2 arms on his right side?

Qur'an 112.
https://m.clearquran.com/112.html

fortran12:
Which God are you talking about, is it the one with 3 daughters Al- Lat ,al-'Uzza and Manat. the one also known as Al-Lah the sun god, the one with 2 arms on his right side?

Qur'an 5:72, 39:11, 40:66, 4:18, 4:116, 30:30, 39:65, 16:21, 25:4, 29:26, 17:57, 14:31, 10:29, 21:99, 39:18, 43:46, 31:31, 35:41, 29:17, 4:48, 6:100, 7:190, 7:194, 10:18, 14:22, 16:20-21

fortran12:
The Jesus you are expecting? so Jesus is alive and mohammed is dead, his followers did not bury him on time thinking he would rise after his death. Thid id based on the fact that he said the ground would reject his body etc. Next thing after 3 days his corpse swelled up and began to stink. he had to be buried immediately. But Jesus on the other hand after 3 days he resurrected with a new body.

Hope you went to school?
Learn to read so no fool will mislead you.

fortran12:
The Jesus you are expecting? so Jesus is alive and mohammed is dead, his followers did not bury him on time thinking he would rise after his death. Thid id based on the fact that he said the ground would reject his body etc. Next thing after 3 days his corpse swelled up and began to stink. he had to be buried immediately. But Jesus on the other hand after 3 days he resurrected with a new body.

I want to believe all prophets passed through same stage and hope yours will be different as a mere mortal that you are.

fortran12:
It was to fulfill prophecy, am sure you dont know that. You have unanswered questions. You are known to run away from answering anything that shows your guy in bad light, some of which are written in your books. There was a time Mohammed was under the influence of a magic spell, how can that happen to a prophet of allah. Mohammed who has no prophecy that came to pass except for the prophecy that exposed him to be a false prophet and caused his death.

You know its only Jesus acts that were meant to fulfill prophecy while others, its their own doing.
Please grow up.

fortran12:
The Jesus you are expecting? so Jesus is alive and mohammed is dead, his followers did not bury him on time thinking he would rise after his death. Thid id based on the fact that he said the ground would reject his body etc. Next thing after 3 days his corpse swelled up and began to stink. he had to be buried immediately. But Jesus on the other hand after 3 days he resurrected with a new body.

You are a lazy youth I must confess.

fortran12:
That's why Shia and Sunni kill themselves all the time right?

Queen Elizabeth I’s half-sister, Queen Mary I (“Bloody Mary”), a Catholic, had executed nearly 250 Protestants during her short reign. Elizabeth, as Queen, affirmed the legitimacy of her father Henry VIII’s Anglican Church, but maintained a settlement by which Protestants and Puritans were allowed to practice their own varieties of the religion. The Anglican Church was thus under attack from Puritans and Calvinists seeking to do away with bishops and their hierarchy. Eventually, in the 1640s, these bitter disputes would become catalysts of the English Civil War. But during James’ reign, they were expressed in a very different forum: translation.

fortran12:
That's why Shia and Sunni kill themselves all the time right?

Worst and most barbaric religious violence ever was between Christians and not Sunni & Shiites.
So why bother about Muslims and less about Christians if your concern was genuine.
https://theconversation.com/amp/five-of-the-most-violent-moments-of-the-reformation-71535


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RINZeVa2PK0

https://theconversation.com/amp/five-of-the-most-violent-moments-of-the-reformation-71535

https://study.com/academy/lesson/the-30-years-war-catholics-vs-protestants.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9HGxuEaVdc

https://www.britannica.com/event/Wars-of-Religion

fortran12:
Using style to avoid answering my questions

Answer the scientific nonsense found in your Scripture.
So the Queen of England can dictate the faith of Christians at any giving time by mere conference & alter the Bible for political expedient.
https://www.christianity.com/church/church-history/timeline/1601-1700/story-behind-king-james-bible-11630052.html

https://time.com/4821911/king-james-bible-history/?amp=true

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/origins-of-the-king-james-bible-180956949/

fortran12:
Ok so tell me when Christians invaded or attacked Mohammed

And you said you have read the Qur'an?
Maybe its the KJV you read.

fortran12:
Ok so tell me when Christians invaded or attacked Muhammad pbuh

(33:26) Allah brought down from their fortresses those People of the Book who had supported the invading confederates and cast such terror into their hearts that some of them you kill and some of them you take captive.

Please have you ever passed ANY exam in your life?
Learn to read so you don't ask stupid questions please.
Its your type one will hide dollar bills or valuable items inside a book, because you will never open it & when you do, its just the last page.