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EMILO2STAY:
that is true, though you will not say he was manipulated to act that way.

He actually did out of his own choice.

Maximus69:
Well that's a mistake there Sir!

God doesn't determine who will become good or evil, it's the tendency of our heart's condition that determines what we will become! Genesis 4:6-7

Satan is smart, he wanted Jesus to be humiliated for volunteering himself to save mankind, Satan's plan was to make the same humans that Jesus has come to save do things that ordinary spirit beings can't take from lesser intelligent beings like humans!

Satan gathered the proud ones among the Jews and made them a team against Jesus who actually came to lay the foundation for salvation through the Jews! John 4:22

Judas Iscariot was materialistic {John 12:4-6; Matthew 26:14-16}} so Satan capitalized on his wickedness for riches and used him! Luke 22:3-6

So it's our weaknesses that Satan takes as advantage to make use of us, it's not PREDESTINED by God! James 1:13-15

Thanks!

hakeem4:
so if he decided not to betray his master, then god's ultimate plan (killing of his only child) would not be achieved. So how do you think god would now forgive human

hakeem4:
so are you saying its satan's plan for jesus to be crucified?

EMILO2STAY:
you first have to understand that there is good and evil in this world. The free will am talking about is the ability of man to choose between these( good and evil) . the laws of God are well known to man even without being commanded to us by God,.. Thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not kill etc. Man now in his fallen state, knowing fully well the meaning of their actions are can do as he pleases but every action will be brought to book.
Christ said, " I set before thee life and death choose, but I advise you choose life.

The fact that it is called free will does not mean you will go Scot free without bearing the consequences of your action.

You have to remember there is good and evil in this world. If you are not on the side of good then automatically you are on the side of evil.
So therefore you have the free will to choose between these two with out any one forcing to do it.

LordReed:
If I tell my children not to eat some pieces of candy or else I'll punish them, have I given them the freedom to eat the candy?

kingxsamz:
That's why he's a good loving God. Punishes you for eternity for his own mistakes.

EMILO2STAY:
no you did not, but however you have given them a choice to make.

Them now knowing fully well the consequences of eating the candy now have the free will by themselves to disobey you or obey.

LordReed:
They absolutely are not free, that is a contradiction of terms. There is nowhere were freedom garners punishment. Free will is then a misnomer as you are not free to choose since that choice will get you punished.

EMILO2STAY:
oga you have the will, the ability, the choice to make. You can decide to do or not to do according to your own disposition, not being compelled or forced to do what you do.

That my friend is free will.

LordReed:
Oga you are absolutely compelled by the threat of punishment, that is not freedom.

EMILO2STAY:
you are not compelled by anything oga. Your conscience already judges you for the actions you take, good or bad.

When you steal, kill, fornicate, lie, , bear false witness.

Do you not do them by your free will?

Where you compelled by any God or man to act the way you act? Is it not your choice to do what you do?



An adult human knows the difference between good and evil and do not even need any commandment from God To walk in the right direction.


The choices we make are entirely ours and that my friend is freedom.

How ever their are rewards for what we do, good or bad.
nothing survives for long in a corrupt and decaying environment.

So therefore if evil and corruption persist everything in that environment crumbles into extinction.

But what ever is good lives forever

Christ said I set before you life and death you make your choice. This is the freedom we are talking about.

The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life.

You are free to make your choice between these two.

LordReed:
Does anybody force you not to beat red light? Are you free to beat red light? Does the thought of being indicted for beating red light not compel you to not beat red light? Are there people who beat red light? Are those people free to beat red light? If they are caught will they be indicted or not?

Give me one example of something that you are free to do that also carries a jail sentence.

EMILO2STAY:
the choice to commit any crime is entirely yours, before commiting the crime were you compelled by anybody?

MERCHANDISER:
60% of Nairalanders are atheist
so bad

LordReed:
Does the punishment for crime not compel you not to commit crime?

Kobojunkie:
In the Bible, Satan is in fact one of the Sons of God, meaning He is a servant of God. The old testament Hasatan is in fact to be revered, even by the Angels.

Mydockay:
YOU'RE INSANE

Aonkuuse:
So complicated

Reality11:
This is not my problem sef
Where is Satan currently, in hell or left freely?
If he is left freely why does God making efforts to protect us from him(e.g answering prayers concerning delivery from the bondage of Satan, protection from accident, calamity disease, failure... Since this are the works of Satan? when he can just cage him or exterminate him from existence.
And if Satan is currently in hell, but he is winning the more people and influencing people more than god

Zechariah 3 vs 1-4(ERV)
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1 The angel showed me Joshua the high priest, standing in front of the angel of the Lord and Satan was standing by Joshua’s right side. Satan was there to accuse Joshua of doing wrong.
2 Then the angel of the Lord said, “The Lord says that you are wrong, and he will continue to correct you! The Lord has chosen Jerusalem to be his special city. He saved that city—it was like a burning stick pulled from the fire.”

3 Joshua was wearing a dirty robe as he stood in front of the angel.
4 Then the angel said to the other angels standing near him, “Take those dirty clothes off Joshua.” Then the angel spoke to Joshua. He said, “Now, I have taken away your guilt, and I am giving you a new change of clothes.”

Jude 1 vs 9(KJV)
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9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Romans 5 vs 12 -14
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12 Sin came into the world because of what one man did. And with sin came death. So this is why all people must die—because all people have sinned.
13 Sin was in the world before the Law of Moses. But God does not consider people guilty of sin if there is no law.
14 But from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, everyone had to die. Adam died because he sinned by not obeying God’s command. But even those who did not sin that same way had to die.

Jeremiah 17 vs 9-10(KJV)
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9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
10 I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

chemystery:
God refuses to give us eternal life on Earth because we are sinners.
But God wants to give sinners eternal life in hell so that he can torture them.

Don't forget that God loves you, and this is just one of His best ways of showing it.

IyaTola:
Hi there! I am unable to access my ml mail so do well to drop your mail address. Thanks

hakeem4:
Does God know or does He not know that a certain individual will be good or bad? If thou sayest 'He knows', then it necessarily follows that the man is compelled to act as God knew beforehand how he would act, otherwise, God's knowledge would be imperfect.…"

chemystery:
God refuses to give us eternal life on Earth because we are sinners.
But God wants to give sinners eternal life in hell so that he can torture them.
Don't forget that God loves you, and this is just one of His best ways of showing it.

Kobojunkie:
What the heck did I just read?

EMILO2STAY:
well you just read what modern pastors have been feeding their flock, that people live and burn forever in hell.

A misconception borne out of their own misunderstanding and misinformation. Talk about the blind leading the blind.