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hoopernikao:
Okay, I am not doubting you.

So, what is your main point, be specific so that I won't have a wrong perception of your thought.

The inexistence of a God, I believe that's simple to understand.

hoopernikao:
Is God your issue or what is written about him or both? State it clearly. We are discussing bible here. And I told you especially based on your person, that the bible is also an historical literature. Can I ask you. Is bible not a literature?

So why are you disturbed about that.

Now you mentioned Rest, and I corrected you, that you need to read it properly and not forget your skill in reading books when reading bible.

Grammar, figure, illustration etc won't change in bible, the interpretation can vary based on its inspiration but any thing written in man's language follows the rules of literature that is why you understand the words and sentences.

So, calm down on this.

Now, again I say, if you have any issue point them out clearly. Saying many things at a time isn't communication.

So if you want to address your issue, let me know the one you pick per time. God rest, I God afraid of metal, God asking questions, 5years old died or general killing. Which is exactly your issue here. That is what is important. And if it is all. Then take it one after the other. Or you have issues with us been organised ni.

You obviously lack the cognitive for this discussion, not surprise you believe in a talking snake.

Maximus69:
You're trying to make FAITH sound like a delusion!

Of course you will continue to behave like a deluded individual.

I've told you and your cohorts several times without number:-
There is nothing like freethinking or atheism, you can't have rest of mind if you are working hard to make others come to terms over morals and standards when you exclude the one and only FORCE that could make your dreams come true "GOD"!

Is a 5 years old getting raped a dream come true, has Jehovah made this children dreams come true.

None of this will exist if God exist.

GRIMMJOE:
Is a 5 years old getting raped a dream come true, has Jehovah made this children dreams come true.

None of this will exist if God exist.

The book says it exists for a reason, even his people Israel experienced this so all you need to ask is
"WHY?"
Then calm down to learn, NOT setting standards for God and expecting everyone to join you!

Maximus69:
The book says it exists for a reason, even his people Israel experienced this so all you need to ask is
"WHY?"
Then calm down to learn, NOT setting standards for God and expecting everyone to join you!

No need to ask why, you yourself said it, he does have limit.

The Why now is, why will any one worship a limited inexistent Jehovah.

GRIMMJOE:
You obviously lack the cognitive for this discussion, not surprise you believe in a talking snake.

This is a distraction and a common way of avoiding facing realities.

Keep away the distraction. The calm yourself down. Then talk properly.

GRIMMJOE:
No need to ask why, you yourself said it, he does have limit.

Bullies have no self-control (restraint) but Jehovah does, so the so called limit is the result of his self-control!

The Why now is, why will any one worship a limited inexistent Jehovah.

Because it's your PERSONAL opinion that he doesn't exist, to billions of those searching for him and millions of those worshiping him, the case is different!

GRIMMJOE:
We are talking about how Jehovah is useless in helping those that can't help themselves, and those that humans can't help because of limit and conditions you yourself gave.

Now you mentioned those are not JW children, and I told you the child comes before the religion, I can keep going but the summary is that God doesn't exist, any one can die, be poor, be rich, irrespective of their religion.

There is FREEDOM of expression, speech and worship!

So the bolded remains your PERSONAL opinion!

GRIMMJOE:
The inexistence of a God, I believe that's simple to understand.

Is that scriptures? Or just opinion?

Seems you aren't reading all I have been writing you or you may be in haste reading them.

Your accusation or unbelief in God is not my concern, that is an opinion you hold and if you have issues on that you may need to find God to speak with him on that.

My concern about you is that you spoke as if you know the scriptures even more than those who believed in it. You pointed to many things in this scriptures that they are wrong and that exposed alot about your ignorance of the same.

So, what I want to do is to simply educate you about the book. To make you see that many who hold same view as you and claim to attack the scriptures usually don't have a single knowledge of what they are saying but display intelligence in ignorance.

Hence the reasoning I asked you my very first question "have you read it well".

So, what I expect you to do is to draw your discussion out of the scriptures as you started and make your point on how it negates or is false.

I can't speak for God. God needs no defence sir. You can find him yourself. He is likely looking for you too. That makes it an easy search for you.

Butt for me, what I am told to hold high, to understand thoroughly and contend for with unwavering boldness is the scriptures. And if you know you don't know anything about it, why not simply sit-down and first learn well. Then choose your points against it wisely.

Like I told you the first point of accepting or refuting a text or writing is to properly learn it first. It seems you haven't done that, the reason you aren't organised enough to state your points.

What most people don't know is the fact that JEHOVAH is the wisest and smartest personality in the whole universe! Isaiah 55:8-9

Whatever he says will surely come to pass. He said this people have made worldly material things their God, in the works of their own hands they're trusting (believing) but they will be confused and they will start coming to look for the worshipers of the true God after their gold and silver (material possessions) have disappointed them! Isaiah 65:11

Though they claims to be freethinkers and atheists,yet they'll become so restless over the matter of a person they're bitterly denying his existence! 2Peter 3:3-4

OK they're saying God doesn't exist, why not forget about the inexistence of this your seemingly insurmountable enemy and continue living your life? Job 5:13

Maximus69:
Bullies have no self-control (restraint) but Jehovah does, so the so called limit is the result of his self-control!

Bro I don't want to call you a liar, so if you have any self respect, I recommend you use it.

We talked on Jehovah not helping those children because of limit.

Maximus: Because it's your PERSONAL opinion that he doesn't exist, to billions of those searching for him and millions of those worshiping him, the case is different!

Majority can be wrong, o can give example if you're that dumb.

Maximus69:
There is FREEDOM of expression, speech and worship!

So the bolded remains your PERSONAL opinion!

Look around you, no effect of a God.

hoopernikao:
Is that scriptures? Or just opinion?

Seems you aren't reading all I have been writing you or you may be in haste reading them.

Your accusation or unbelief in God is not my concern, that is an opinion you hold and if you have issues on that you may need to find God to speak with him on that.

My concern about you is that you spoke as if you know the scriptures even more than those who believed in it. You pointed to many things in this scriptures that they are wrong and that exposed alot about your ignorance of the same.

So, what I want to do is to simply educate you about the book. To make you see that many who hold same view as you and claim to attack the scriptures usually don't have a single knowledge of what they are saying but display intelligence in ignorance.

Hence the reasoning I asked you my very first question "have you read it well".

So, what I expect you to do is to draw your discussion out of the scriptures as you started and make your point on how it negates or is false.

I can't speak for God. God needs no defence sir. You can find him yourself. He is likely looking for you too. That makes it an easy search for you.

Butt for me, what I am told to hold high, to understand thoroughly and contend for with unwavering boldness is the scriptures. And if you know you don't know anything about it, why not simply sit-down and first learn well. Then choose your points against it wisely.

Like I told you the first point of accepting or refuting a text or writing is to properly learn it first. It seems you haven't done that, the reason you aren't organised enough to state your points.

You do know all this are just your opinion, down to the illusion you hold on to.

Maximus69:
What most people don't know is the fact that JEHOVAH is the wisest and smartest personality in the whole universe! Isaiah 55:8-9

Whatever he says will surely come to pass. He said this people have made worldly material things their God, in the works of their own hands they're trusting (believing) but they will be confused and they will start coming to look for the worshipers of the true God after their gold and silver (material possessions) have disappointed them! Isaiah 65:11

Though they claims to be freethinkers and atheists,yet they'll become so restless over the matter of a person they're bitterly denying his existence! 2Peter 3:3-4

OK they're saying God doesn't exist, why not forget about the inexistence of this your seemingly insurmountable enemy and continue living your life? Job 5:13

This is still your opinion.

GRIMMJOE:
Bro I don't want to call you a liar, so if you have any self respect, I recommend you use it.
We talked on Jehovah not helping those children because of limit.
Majority can be wrong, o can give example if you're that dumb.

What you don't know is i was once a soldier as in a trained killer.
But that attitude of beating the enemies still runs in my veins, so if you're not careful i'll kill you with hypertension while drinking my bottle of Baron Romero.
You'll notice that i've been playing on your intelligence ever since because you chose to make this a joke, but everyone can see it in your post that you don't have the liver.
So calm down and learn gently by asking thought provoking questions in a mild and respective manner or i'll continue giving you headache like your ancestors!
I've discussed several times in the past with your professors and most of them do regard the level of intellect JEHOVAH has given his Witnesses.
You're just a kid in the game, so chill or you'll die of high blood pressure!

Summary
No God In Sight

GRIMMJOE:
Look around you, no effect of a God.

Maximus69:
What you don't know is i was once a soldier as in a trained killer.
But that attitude of beating the enemies still runs in my veins, so if you're not careful i'll kill you with hypertension while drinking my bottle of Baron Romero.
You'll notice that i've been playing on your intelligence ever since because you chose to make this a joke, but everyone can see it in your post that you don't have the liver.
So calm down and learn gently by asking thought provoking questions in a mild and respective manner or i'll continue giving you headache like your ancestors!
I've discussed several times in the past with your professors and most of them do regard the level of intellect JEHOVAH has given his Witnesses.
You're just a kid in the game, so chill or you'll die of high blood pressure!

Your opinion.

GRIMMJOE:
This is still your opinion.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
My God asked me to speak and reason with people about him, you don't believe in any God, yet you're here all day worrying yourself over the matter of the person you are saying "he doesn't exist" or let's say nobody sent you to do this yet you're here all day!

Walahi Talahi you're a real clown!

What's
you guys don't understand, you make your deduction, I make my deduction, next thing you want me to accept your deduction by fire by force like that literature guy, like seriously.

If a God exist, none of this will.

I garrit! i garrit!!

GRIMMJOE:
Your opinion.

GRIMMJOE:
What's
you guys don't understand, you make your deduction, I make my deduction, next thing you want me to accept your deduction by fire by force like that literature guy, like seriously.

If a God exist, none of this will.

Somebody sent religionists out to talk, but you said nobody sent you yet you're here all day.
So pathetic!

Maximus69:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
My God asked me to speak and reason with people about him, you don't believe in any God, yet you're here all day worrying yourself over the matter of the person you are saying "he doesn't exist" or let's say nobody sent you to do this yet you're here all day!

Walahi Talahi you're a real clown!

I'm intrigue by denial, the false pretence some humans hold to an after life that don't exist is quite intriguing.

See it more like looking at a cat fight his reflection.

GRIMMJOE:
I'm intrigue by denial, the false pretence some humans hold to an after life that don't exist is quite intriguing.

OK let's hear your side of the story even though noone sent you, but at least we can all watch the performance of a clown freely.

So let's here from your side!

GRIMMJOE:
See it more like looking at a cat fight his reflection.

The best description for a so called freethinker who has been so influenced by the thoughts of others to the point of spending days with them!

Maximus69:
The best description for a so called freethinker who has been so influenced by the thoughts of others to the point of spending days with them!

Not a big deal, the last time I was on religion section was some years back, eventually when things goes back normal I'll be too busy to watch a cat trying to fight his imaginary self, it's that simple.

Maximus69:
OK let's hear your side of the story even though noone sent you, but at least we can all watch the performance of a clown freely.

So let's here from your side!

You say God exist, I say he doesn't exist, you give your reason, I give my reason, rinse and repeat.

GRIMMJOE:
You do know all this are just your opinion, down to the illusion you hold on to.

I agree with you, but you need to agree too that you actually jump into things you didn't know. Sometimes it's honorable if you keep your lane even if you don't believe in what is being said. When you want to contribute, ensure you are sure as people are reading and will question you.

It simply doesn't hurt if you start off to go and read properly, learn properly what the scriptures stand for even if you don't believe it or accept it. Twisting what is writing is same as lying, false witness and accusation.

Sadly, your own reason for twisting the scriptures is not from point of knowledge or knowing it but from point of not patient or be ready enough to read it, yet you want to argue it. Think it yourself, is this a good thing to speak confidently on a subject matter you know nothing about. It will only make you a superhero on billboard.


Let me help you abit, like I said, my purpose is firstly to help you be able to read Bible well without bias even if you don't agree with its principle.

To read well, ensure you don't loose your thought on how you normally read other books. When you see figure of speech, or literal explanations, read it as such. Also always ask yourself before concluding on a text. Have I read it properly, if I see this same text in another book would I have held the same thought as I am now? Or I am just forming my own meaning.
When you start questioning yourself, you will start reading well and you present yourself bad as you did here.

And on bible interpretation, you may need someone who believe in it to help you out as you must first believe in the inspiration of a writing before accepting its inspiration.

hoopernikao:
I agree with you, but you need to agree too that you actually jump into things you didn't know. Sometimes it's honorable if you keep your lane even if you don't believe in what is being said. When you want to contribute, ensure you are sure as people are reading and will question you.

It simply doesn't hurt if you start off to go and read properly, learn properly what the scriptures stand for even if you don't believe it or accept it. Twisting what is writing is same as lying, false witness and accusation.

Sadly, your own reason for twisting the scriptures is not from point of knowledge or knowing it but from point of not patient or be ready enough to read it, yet you want to argue it. Think it yourself, is this a good thing to speak confidently on a subject matter you know nothing about. It will only make you a superhero on billboard.


Let me help you abit, like I said, my purpose is firstly to help you be able to read Bible well without bias even if you don't agree with its principle.

To read well, ensure you don't loose your thought on how you normally read other books. When you see figure of speech, or literal explanations, read it as such. Also always ask yourself before concluding on a text. Have I read it properly, if I see this same text in another book would I have held the same thought as I am now? Or I am just forming my own meaning.
When you start questioning yourself, you will start reading well and you present yourself bad as you did here.

And on bible interpretation, you may need someone who believe in it to help you out as you must first believe in the inspiration of a writing before accepting its inspiration.

You say rest is literature, I say base on the Bible notoriousity for contradiction it can't be a literature.

I don't even type that long, how are my words difficult to understand.

GRIMMJOE:
Not a big deal, the last time I was on religion section was some years back, eventually when things goes back normal I'll be too busy to watch a cat trying to fight his imaginary self, it's that simple.

Understood Sir!

GRIMMJOE:
You say God exist, I say he doesn't exist, you give your reason, I give my reason, rinse and repeat.

Perhaps you should cross-check the title of this thread again Sir, i don't think you're still using your medulla oblagata now, because this thread has nothing to do with you or your argument.
It's all about a lady who is contemplating taking side with a group of religionists on a particular doctrine, not your God dey e no dey palavah Sir!