IMAliyu:

Oh, ok I get you.
Most religions base their evidence on unprovable claims and if we use evidence and logic to scrutinize them they usually break down.

Hmm.. maybe Buddhism, but Buddhism bases it's premise on reincarnation which is still not provable, but I do like the philosophy.

Buddhism also fall to the category, like the reincarnation, there's no prove for it.

I also like Buddhism and also Jainism, they are very moral without any God although they use reincarnation karma for their bases of morality. What I like is how they meditate to clear every worries. It's just a good philosophy.

tintingz:


So we should skip the contradictions?

Like the contradictions isn't something we should look into?

The letter killeth, yes ..they are not true life story hence the contradiction...but the messages are consistent..

IMAliyu:

At the bases of most faiths the massage is usually this, do good and be a good person and avoid evil and anything that can taint you.

Though the definition of what is good and evil varies.

Have you heard of the ying yang?..

Will look for the chart..

sonmvayina:


The letter killeth, yes ..they are not true life story hence the contradiction...but the messages are consistent..

Okay, they're not true.

tintingz:


Okay, they're not true.

Yes, they never said they where writing eye witness account or that they are professors of history...they wrote a story to pass a spiritual message and inform you..
Most employ symbolism and imagery and numbers...

Except you are an initiate,they will not tell you...except they see you hungry for knowledge..

sonmvayina:


Yes, they never said they where writing eye witness account or that they are professors of history...they wrote a story to pass a spiritual message and inform you..
Most employ symbolism and imagery and numbers...

Except you are an initiate,they will not tell you...except they see you hungry for knowledge..

Why do people of your kind keep misinforming people about the authenticity of the Bible?

IMAliyu:

How so?
Mind to explain.

I have been following this site...you might be blessed if you just take an hr a day to read up..

https://www.chabad.org/

tintingz:


Okay, they're not true.

Please, do not mind somya-what-ever
The Bible does contain real life accounts and future prophecies
The lies of somya are just what makes people keep believing there is no God

DappaD:

Why do people of your kind keep misinforming people about the authenticity of the Bible?

The bible is not a history text book... It is a spiritual manual

sonmvayina:


The bible is not a history text book... It is a spiritual manual

If you have no idea what's in the Bible please be quiet. Stop all these assumptions

DappaD:


If you have no idea what's in the Bible please be quiet. Stop all these assumptions

Lol...you dey find person wet go join you in your ignorance..

sonmvayina:


The bible is not a history text book... It is a spiritual manual

The Bible is made up of several books written by different authors over a period of 1,500years+ and all these authors were inspired of God's holy spirit (2Timothy 3:16, 2Peter 1:20-21)
Most of them never met each other but their accounts all point to the same thing. Things that look like contradictions are actually not so if you take the context of the place you're reading into consideration.


You coming here to say it doesn't contain real life events is just a blatant lie. If you do not know something, you ask and you will be answered.

What is actually contained in the books of the Bible?

The Hebrew/Aramaic Scriptures(The Old Testament)
The first five (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy) contain historical accounts from the beginning of creation to the foundation of the nation of Israel

The next twelve(Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1Kings, 2Kings, 1Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther)are historical books. They contain historical record of the time of Israel's entry into the promised land, the Judges of Israel, the Kings of Israel, destruction of Jerusalem, the epilogue after the destruction of Israel)

The next 5 (Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Songs of Solomon) are poetic books. They contain songs, psalms, wise counsel and wise sayings. The book of Psalms even contains some written prophecies about the Messiah and God's Kingdom.

The next 17(Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi) are prophetic books.
They contain prophecies concerning God's people, the Messiah, God's Kingdom, they also contain some historical record.


The Christian Greek Scriptures (The New Testament)
The first four (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) are written records of Jesus' life and ministry

The next 1 (Acts of the Apostles)
Contains historical record or information concerning the early Christian congregation and spread of Christianity in the first century C.E.

The next 21books (Romans, 1Corinthians, 2Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Phillipians, Colossians, 1Thessalonians, 2Thessalonians, 1Timothy, 2Timothy, Titus, Philemon, Hebrews, James, 1Peter, 2Peter, 1John, 2John, 3John, Jude) are letters to the early Christian congregation in the first century C.E, letters to individual Christians and letters in general to Christians such as how they can conduct themselves as Christians among others.

The next 1book (Revelation)
Contains prophetic visions that were given to the apostle John.


I wrote these to clear any doubt concerning the Bible and somvya stop confusing people all the more if you do not have any idea what the Bible contains.

sonmvayina:


The bible is not a history text book... It is a spiritual manual

This your statement angered me

sonmvayina:


The bible is not a history text book... It is a spiritual manual

It's not meant to teach history. But it contains ACTUAL EVENTS that happened in the time past.

sonmvayina:


Have you heard of the ying yang?..

Will look for the chart..

Yes I am aware of it. A circle with the black with the dot of white in it and the white with the dot of black in it.
Suppose to be a symbol for balance, male/female, heaven/earth, order/chaos that kind of thing. And you a human are suppose to walk the line between it.

DappaD:

It's not meant to teach history. But it contains ACTUAL EVENTS that happened in the time past.

Is that what you tell yourself?..

Is God a man?

You are just too funny.

DappaD:

The Bible is made up of several books written by different authors over a period of 1,500years+ and all these authors were inspired of God's holy spirit (2Timothy 3:16, 2Peter 1:20-21)
Most of them never met each other but their accounts all point to the same thing. Things that look like contradictions are actually not so if you take the context of the place you're reading into consideration.


You coming here to say it doesn't contain real life events is just a blatant lie. If you do not know something, you ask and you will be answered.

What is actually contained in the books of the Bible?

The Hebrew/Aramaic Scriptures(The Old Testament)
The first five (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy) contain historical accounts from the beginning of creation to the foundation of the nation of Israel

The next twelve(Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1Kings, 2Kings, 1Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther)are historical books. They contain historical record of the time of Israel's entry into the promised land, the Judges of Israel, the Kings of Israel, destruction of Jerusalem, the epilogue after the destruction of Israel)

The next 5 (Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Songs of Solomon) are poetic books. They contain songs, psalms, wise counsel and wise sayings. The book of Psalms even contains some written prophecies about the Messiah and God's Kingdom.

The next 17(Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi) are prophetic books.
They contain prophecies concerning God's people, the Messiah, God's Kingdom, they also contain some historical record.


The Christian Greek Scriptures (The New Testament)
The first four (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) are written records of Jesus' life and ministry

The next 1 (Acts of the Apostles)
Contains historical record or information concerning the early Christian congregation and spread of Christianity in the first century C.E.

The next 21books (Romans, 1Corinthians, 2Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Phillipians, Colossians, 1Thessalonians, 2Thessalonians, 1Timothy, 2Timothy, Titus, Philemon, Hebrews, James, 1Peter, 2Peter, 1John, 2John, 3John, Jude) are letters to the early Christian congregation in the first century C.E, letters to individual Christians and letters in general to Christians such as how they can conduct themselves as Christians among others.

The next 1book (Revelation)
Contains prophetic visions that were given to the apostle John.


I wrote these to clear any doubt concerning the Bible and somvya stop confusing people all the more if you do not have any idea what the Bible contains.

You really need to flogged .

tintingz:


Words and definitions are used to describe a act or thing which logically follows = semantic.

Based on agreement!

So..
- What do you call people that group themselves and worship God or gods and also have divine dogmas?

Informed worshipers or semi-informed worshipers

- And what do you call people that lack belief in God or gods?

Confused or misinformed worshipers

As long as we wake up each day to think, talk, eat, drink, walk, work, dress and do so many other things that insanes do without considering whatever anyone thinks, feels or say, but we try to as much as possible to meet up what is agreed upon as normal surely there is a God/gods somewhere dictating for us all, until we realize this there can never be PEACE in any human society!
We must identify the force dictating how things should be done!

Maximus69:

Based on agreement!


Informed worshipers or semi-informed worshipers


Confused or misinformed worshipers

As long as we wake up each day to think, talk, eat, drink, walk, work, dress and do so many other things that insanes do without considering whatever anyone thinks, feels or say, but we try to as much as possible to meet up what is agreed upon as normal surely there is a God/gods somewhere dictating for us all, until we realize this there can never be PEACE in any human society!
We must identify the force dictating how things should be done!

Oh my goodness.

karo93:


Lol.....which is more dangerous?

A religion that will destroy your body for a limited time and take away your short human life for not believing in them...

OR

A religion that plans to have you tortured for all eternity for not believing in them...

Your point is weak.

The issue of eternal torture is subjective. whether we live after death to face a horror of eternal torture or a blissful city is still figment of human imagination nobody really knows. having said that, this life is more important because we live in it and know it any one religion in the name of himself or a god that will mike life a horror is not a true religion.

I think if there is one true religion, the creator of the universe would make it so perfect that no human would be able to point out blemishes in it.

For now, I believe all religions are man made

It should be easier to differentiate the God own religion, more than the way it's easy for us to differentiate cold from hot water.

If you noticed, religion people have started defending their religions on this thread subjectively.

This is what has been ongoing since time immemorial. Each sect always find a reason to justify his own religion, albeit no objectivity

DappaD:

Please, do not mind somya-what-ever
The Bible does contain real life accounts and future prophecies
The lies of somya are just what makes people keep believing there is no God

Actually the Bible is full of myths.

Xmuslim:
I think if there is one true religion, the creator of the universe would make it so perfect that NO HUMAN WOULD BE ABLE TO POINT OUT BLEMISH IN IT.

You made perfect sense with this but there is just one problem you're still having, that is the capital in your write-up.

We are humans and we think differently, moreover if you're sincere with yourself you will know that hypocrisy has no bounds. People may choose to blur their own senses to certain things no matter the consequence so far it doesn't go down well with their selfish motives and desires.

So let me correct your statement and try to have a rethink on the matter:-
The Creator of the universe should have made the one true religion so perfect that NO HONEST HEARTED individual would be able to point out blemish on it!

Honesty is the first thing we need to consider before making our resolution on any matter, i've been to places and i can tell you Sir that most people will turn good to evil and evil to good whenever it's not in their favour so don't wait for others to make decisions for you on this matter, try to make use of your own conscience.

God's own pure worship is standing out clearly today, but it's only honest hearted and sincere individuals that can notice it while the remaining billions will continue to justify their choice of religion in order to present themselves to be fair!

tintingz:


Oh my goodness.

You can say that again!

GOODNESS is one of the fruitage of God's holy spirit so don't be surprised that this is ABSOLUTELY GOOD! Galatians 5:22

Maximus69:


You can say that again!

GOODNESS is one of the fruitage of God's holy spirit so don't be surprised that this is ABSOLUTELY GOOD! Galatians 5:22

Oh my God!.

tintingz:


Oh my God!

That's the miracle!

Now you tintingz who have always been refuting the existence of God, even to the extent of always rendering his title with small letters (gods) suddenly personified his as your God in capital letters!

Well that's how great God is!

Now you may go and tell your former cohorts that you now have a God and it's one of his Witnesses that opened your inner eyes to this fact!

tintingz:


Oh my God!.

This is wonderful!

Please tintingz, who and where is your God?

Maximus69:


That's the miracle!

Now you tintingz who have always been refuting the existence of God, even to the extent of always rendering his title with small letters (gods) suddenly personified his as your God in capital letters!

Well that's how great God is!

Now you may go and tell your former cohorts that you now have a God and it's one of his Witnesses that opened your inner eyes to this fact!

Oh Jesus Christ!!.

TATIME:


This is wonderful!

Please tintingz, who and where is your God?

Oh my f*ckin God!!!

You guys are ridiculous.

Maximus69:


You made perfect sense with this but there is just one problem you're still having, that is the capital in your write-up.

We are humans and we think differently, moreover if you're sincere with yourself you will know that hypocrisy has no bounds. People may choose to blur their own senses to certain things no matter the consequence so far it doesn't go down well with their selfish motives and desires.

So let me correct your statement and try to have a rethink on the matter:-
The Creator of the universe should have made the one true religion so perfect that NO HONEST HEARTED individual would be able to point out blemish on it!

Honesty is the first thing we need to consider before making our resolution on any matter, i've been to places and i can tell you Sir that most people will turn good to evil and evil to good whenever it's not in their favour so don't wait for others to make decisions for you on this matter, try to make use of your own conscience.

God's own pure worship is standing out clearly today, but it's only honest hearted and sincere individuals that can notice it while the remaining billions will continue to justify their choice of religion in order to present themselves to be fair!

Circular argument as usual. You once agreed that Bible is not error free and you are here telling us how honest you are for following such religion.

The concept of original sin in itself is NONSENSE and you want a whole me to believe in such CRAZY idea. Sincerity my foot

I don't argue with jehonah witness anymore though.

I was even reluctant to read your post, but I thought you would be logical in analysis.

YOU ARE A VERY FUNNY MAN DEFENDING ILLOGICAL IDEA WITH BOLDESS

IMAliyu:
The subject of does God/gods exist or not has been a long discussed topic between atheists and theists and a conclusive satisfactory answer has never been reached, cause there doesn't seem to be direct provable evidence of the existence of a deity, but then again the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. The discussion is a dead end that leaves someone agnostic on the subject and there are multiple different threads for that, so let's look at a different topic.
Here we assume a deity(s) exists and one out of the hundreds of different religions is indeed valid(like how Islam and Christianity claim to be), so how should one expect to go about determining the validity of a faith through empirical evidence?

When people of opposing faiths debate, they tend to always be biased to their own and to talk over each other. The holy books being the usual the ground work for one's position and his evidence, are highly subjective depending on the person looking at it and because of that a conclusion is never reachable.
So how about we bring the discussion into the objective and measurable realm.

"I was looking at the economic theories of capitalism, 'democratic socialism' and socialism/communism.
And how different places that applied these theories or mix of the theories into practice had different outcomes and successes and failures and through that, one could make an argument that some of these are undeniably better than others and hence would be considered more valid than the others.
(This was strictly the failures and successes of the economic theories and not government systems of the countries in question though they may be related.)
So, would it be wrong to look at religion through a similar lens and judge it by some metric.
In the case of the economic theories the measurements are:
GDP.
Investments.
Level of infrastructure.
Number of people living in abject poverty.
Industrialization.
Technological innovation.
Equality of opportunity.
Scarcity of food.
etc. From this we could reach a conclusive answer"

So by what metric(s) should one measure the validity of a religion? (I would add secularism in the comparisons despite not being a faith)

Should it be:
The number of adherents of that faith.
The level of devotion of the believers.
The logical coherency to the doctrine.

Rate of convertions.
Size of conquests.
Intellectual and technological successes.
Egalitarianism.
Pacifism.
The outcome when laws of the faith are applied into government.
Age of the faith.
Pathological behavior caused by the faith.
Scientific accuracy of the faith.
Content and happiness of the believers.
Moral character of the followers.
etc.
What measure should be appropriately added or removed?
If a God exists and is indeed good and loves good (as claimed by most faiths) and sent down a religion, one would expect that faith to have the most positive outcome on the people and society that follow it above all else. Wouldn't that be a logical conclusion?
"Even if a person can not see a flame in front of him he should be able to feel it's heat"
Discuss.

The bold is a strong option if not the strongest.