Aegerine:
The fact that this questioner is still breathing till this moment and many have died due to COVID 19 complications doesn't translate to Allah's incapacitation to snuff out his soul in a blink of an eye. He is just being delayed till an appointed time.

What applies to Satan during Noah's time till the present moment only applies to him.

Or Can we argue that Allah is incapable of killing this OP?

tintingz:


Allah cleansed the world with flood(killing all creatures execpt for Noah) because of evil and sins, why didn't he kill Satan too?

If he delayed Satan to an appointment time(his plan), that means Allah love evil and want evil to exist and continue therefore Allah is responsible for evil. The killings in the flood story is just a waste of human lives. We can say Allah is just malevolent, yes?

Aegerine:




I followed one of your thread which you titled "all loving God" or something similar to that where you were thoroughly schooled on how good and bad are dispensed by Allah in due proportion according to his divine wisdom. You were given a very beautiful illustration of the Sun as to whether it can be referred to as heat or light based on the fact that it gives out both.. I think that jolts your memory.

Instead of admitting your error, you stood your erroneous ground arrogantly to name calling Allah all sorts of odious name. Far above is Allah beyond your limited scope.

Since, you are finding it difficult to comprehend that, let me reinstate emphatically that "YES, both good and bad (evil in your own language) are all the doings of Allah... While you are having a difficult time trying to absorb that reality, may I ask you if your being alive till this moment is one of the evils that you associate with Allah since all your time is about criticizing and subjecting him to your deficient and weak human rationalization.

May you find guidance

tintingz:


The bolded is enough, all the rest of your post are irrelevant. You admitted Allah is both good and evil therefore Allah cannot be all-good, he also do evil things.

Good and all-good are two different attributes.

Aegerine:


OK Mr all Good.

Allah did not describe himself as such in the first place. You are the one given yourself headache

tintingz:


He can't be perfect.

tintingz:


He can't be perfect.

Rashduct4luv:


I think we all should leave you alone to wallow in your frustrations!

It's like you're sick and tired of some Muslims so you think you can transfer that aggression online to other Muslims.

Lost course!

Answer him once he'll always look for another loophole to comment on! He is never satisfied with any answer!

Aegerine:


Your life, your path.

No matter how hard you try, Allah is Allah, your weak and inconsequential you is you

Aegerine:

You were given a very beautiful illustration of the Sun as to whether it can be referred to as heat or light based on the fact that it gives out both.. I think that jolts your memory.

Rilwayne001:


Very beautiful illustration for any intellectually honest being to reason with. You don't expect an unintelligent dishonest being to reason with this at all.

Rilwayne001:


Very beautiful illustration for any intellectually honest being to reason with. You don't expect an unintelligent dishonest being to reason with this at all.

tintingz:
Allah cleansed the world with flood because of the evil and sins in the world, all living creatures were killed except for Noah, his family and some few animals but why didn't Allah kill Satan too since he's said to be the chief of evil?

Was there a confusion?

Or Allah kept Satan alive for his plan?

Or he isn't capable of killing Satan?

LabuleofNigeria:


You claimed to have been a Muslim. Did you skipped to read how Allah has promised to grant Shaitan longetivity and power ?
Havent you heard the story of Job. God promised to preserve shaitan until the last day.

tintingz:


Ok, So can we say God is the bad guy here?

LabuleofNigeria:


Yeah..... (the begining & the end)

LabuleofNigeria:
Thread Closed

tintingz:


Red herring!

Rashduct4luv:


I think we all should leave you alone to wallow in your frustrations!

It's like you're sick and tired of some Muslims so you think you can transfer that aggression online to other Muslims.

Lost course!

Answer him once he'll always look for another loophole to comment on! He is never satisfied with any answer!

sino:


@bold, I had one time interrogated his purpose on here with his numerous posts (which are mostly questions), and he answered that he would like us to be skeptics... Aside from some of his inane responses and turning logic on its head, he is fully into the rabbit hole of radical skepticism! For every rational explanation you provide, he is skeptical and would bring up more doubts, and the process would continue, except you leave him at his state of perpetual skepticism. Once the fundamental knowledge about our reality are in doubt and such doubts have metamorphosed into a 'belief system', then there is no amount of philosophical/rational arguments that would satisfy such an individual.

As Muslims, we can only present the true and
fundamental knowledge of God, our purpose and reality based on the Qur'an and the teachings of the Prophet (SAW) to these individuals, it is left to them to be sincere with themselves or continue in their state of perpetual uncertainty.

My disposition to atheist who won't stop arguing and always seek physical evidence for God, or something of sorts, at the end of the day is the verse of the Qur'an below :

"Do they [then] wait for anything except that the angels should come to them or your Lord should come or that there come some of the signs of your Lord? The Day that some of the signs of your Lord will come no soul will benefit from its faith as long as it had not believed before or had earned through its faith some good. Say, "Wait. Indeed, we [also] are waiting."" (Qur'an 6:158)

Rashduct4luv:


I think your existence can also be described as a "Red herring" too!

sino:


@bold, I had one time interrogated his purpose on here with his numerous posts (which are mostly questions), and he answered that he would like us to be skeptics... Aside from some of his inane responses and turning logic on its head, he is fully into the rabbit hole of radical skepticism! For every rational explanation you provide, he is skeptical and would bring up more doubts, and the process would continue, except you leave him at his state of perpetual skepticism. Once the fundamental knowledge about our reality are in doubt and such doubts have metamorphosed into a 'belief system', then there is no amount of philosophical/rational arguments that would satisfy such an individual.

As Muslims, we can only present the true and
fundamental knowledge of God, our purpose and reality based on the Qur'an and the teachings of the Prophet (SAW) to these individuals, it is left to them to be sincere with themselves or continue in their state of perpetual uncertainty.

My disposition to atheist who won't stop arguing and always seek physical evidence for God, or something of sorts, at the end of the day is the verse of the Qur'an below :

"Do they [then] wait for anything except that the angels should come to them or your Lord should come or that there come some of the signs of your Lord? The Day that some of the signs of your Lord will come no soul will benefit from its faith as long as it had not believed before or had earned through its faith some good. [b]Say, "Wait. Indeed, we [also] are waiting[b]."" (Qur'an 6:158)

Rashduct4luv:


Jazaak Allahu khayran bro.

tintingz:


Epistemology, Ontology Philosophy Is not your thing obviously and not most Muslims thing.

Well there's an invisible green winged fire breathing rabbit in space, don't doubt nor question it, it's there.

sino:


You know what you imagined up here does not exist, you don't need philosophical argumentations to know for certain that what you just imagined doesn't exist! Well except, you are really psychotic you may start employing all the tools of your radical skepticism to doubt...

When it comes to the existence of God, the creator of the universe, you have admitted in some of our exchanges that you do not know, and I say in that your response, there is that possibility of a creator of the universe! So God and your imaginary friend are not on the same level when it comes to what exist and what doesn't.

One of the certainty deep down in all individual for example, is the fact that it is impossible for something to exist in our world without being caused, so you will always look dumb if you for example claim that the iPhone had no inventor, you know, just came to existence by itself! You do not need philosophical argumentations to know that is nonsense, so how come you believe that your existence was not caused or the earth or the universe?!

tintingz:


How did you know an invisible green winged fire breathing rabbit doesn't exist in space?

Can we say your Prophet was psychotic when he sees angels and rode on flying donkey and even believe a bowl of meal pray for forgiveness?

- And correction at bolded, a first cause may exist(it can be anything, it can be an invisible winged alien rabbit), doesn't equate to god talkless of Allah. Allah is in the same category with the winged rabbit.

sino:


This is a good example of your plight... You are asking me about what you know isn't real, because you just imagined it, now you want to argue about it?!

Are you claiming to be seeing an invisible green winged fire breathing rabbit?!

Yeah, this brings me to another fundamental knowledge you don't need philosophical argumentations for. If I told you that a carpenter with no medical help and training, performed an open heart surgery, would you believe?! How can you then claim that the first cause for all that exist can be anything, and going further to even say an invisible winged alien rabbit is looney and ludicrous!

You do not know, you are not sure, you are in doubts, and you are questioning everything... This is the perpetual uncertainty you are afflicted with and you my friend are on the fringes...

tintingz:
I know it's real, how do you know it isn't real?

Was your Prophet psychotic?

If there's a first cause, what's it?