missjo:

Secondly, evil did not enter the world through Cain. At least not in the world as we know it now, because all of his descendants were killed by the flood. The only surviving people after the flood were Noah and his family. Noah himself is a direct descendant of Seth, the son born to Adam after Abel was killed.
Evil came into the world again after the flood through the descendants of Ham, Ham is Noah's second son between Shem and Japheth. Apparently, Noah had gotten drunk with wine and was unclothed. Ham saw his unclothedness and announced it to his siblings.
His brothers went into the tent and covered him up by carrying a cloth but walking backwards to avoid seeing their father's unclothedness.
Noah then cursed Ham and his descendants for that error.
The next time the bible mentions people who did evil in the sight of God was in the story of the tower of Babel. These people tried to build a monument towards the sky in an attempt to defy God, these people are descendants of Ham.

sonmvayina:


Exactly what I have been teaching.. Research they will not, they will use small data to come here and use the rest to watch porn..

sonmvayina:
Exactly what I have been teaching.
Research they will not, they will use small data to come here and use the rest to watch porn..

RuggedSniper:
@Sonmvayina, thanks for the feedback and I had to respond to your VERY BRILLIANT post because you were spot on when you mentioned Ezra! I will post more info on the SUN GODS and how the Jesus of the bible is a personification of the SUN... OR SUN OF GOD, here within 4 days when get better health-wise. People NEED TO READ MORE and break away from religious indigestion. Ifedayo Olarinde (aka Daddy Freeze) and Reno Omokri are trying to do this online via ... But there are still some loopholes in their teachings without the reference to the Zoroastrians Ezra and Cyrus' roles in creating the foundation of the Persian colonial religion Judaism. All the best

RuggedSniper:
But there are still some loopholes in their teachings without the reference to the Zoroastrians Ezra and Cyrus' roles in creating the foundation of the Persian colonial religion Judaism. All the best!

Kobojunkie:

Evil came into the world through Adam for He was the one who disobeyed God by eating from the tree of "good and evil" in the beginning. As a result, his seeds were tainted by his sin, and remain that way to this day.

missjo:

Sin, not evil, came into the world through Adam, and yes his seeds were tainted.

However, evil is the outward expression of sin.
The same sin-tainted nature in Cain was also in Abel, yet only Cain was evil in the sight of God.

Same explanation with the sons of Noah, all tainted by the sin of their forefather Adam, but only Ham is the evil son.

Kobojunkie:
Was Adam's disobedience not an outward expression of Evil, which I take to mean that which is contrary to the will of God ?

missjo:

I figured you would ask this, so I edited my comment to include something before you quoted it. Check please

Kobojunkie:


Also, i don't believe Ham was evil. Sure he saw his father's unclothedness and spoke of it, but what he did was not evil at all, at least not in the sight of God since God did not scold him for it, only noah did, for obvious reasons.

missjo:

Seeing his father naked and not covering him up was sinful, inviting his brothers to see it also was the evil.

missjo:

The curse Noah placed on him was validated by God, so it's safe to believe God supported Noah in both scolding and cursing.

RuggedSniper:
^^^WORD! PLAGIARIZED FROM THE 'EPIC OF GILGAMESH' AND OTHER ANCIENT SOURCES. I HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS SINCE THE 1990s. Cyrus the Great of Persia (and the anointed of the bible god)... who was a Zoroastrian and the 'King of Kings' in the book of Ezra, created Judaism via Ezra a Persian Magi... an agent of Cyrus. Magis are the chief priests of the Zoroastrian religion of PERSIA. Ezra is the allegorical Moses! The use of burnt clay tablets by the Moses is anacronistic and only used by the Babylonians, Sumerians, Persian Empire...(Egyptians used papyrus not burnt clay tablets) Pharisees is the main branch of Judaism derived from the word Parsi or Persia or Iran!
Cyrus Cylinder burnt clay wordings are very similar to the book of Ezra. Iran is the origin of Judaism. Why did the bible God refer to Cyrus 'as my anointed?' Because Judaism is an imperfect copy of the Zoroastrian religion of Cyrus who was the colonial master of the ancient Israelites who worshipped many Gods. 'El' originally means many Gods NOT one God which was introduced by the Persians. The journey from Egypt and the 40 years in the wilderness never took place. NO grand kingdom of David or the walls of Jericho according to Prof. Ze'ev Hertzog an Israeli archaeologist... Neil Silberman in the book he co-wrote entitled: (The Bible Unearthed) also said the same and MORE! I Hope this helps everyone reading this. Cc: missjo, budaatum. @Kobojunkie... Why was there a resistance to the building of a new temple in Jerusalem by some people during the time of Ezra and the Persian Empire conquest? Because they were bringing a new religion or doctrine from Persia, even though there was propaganda talk of restoring the religions of the conquered peoples. This is a reply to the question you asked me on page 2 of this thread today. Again many similarities between the Zoroastrian and Jewish doctrines exist and the old testament reeks of this! Esther's uncle in the bible
was a cup bearer for the king of Persia. Only ZOROASTRIAN Magis or Priests can act as a cup bearers. Rabbis and Magis also dressed alike. Pharisee is derived from the word Parsi (Persia or modern Iran).

Kobojunkie:
The men you refer to did not CREATE the foundation of Judaism. They simply facilitated the continuance of what already existed.

Kobojunkie:


Also, i don't believe Ham was evil. Sure he saw his father's unclothedness and spoke of it, but what he did was not evil at all, at least not in the sight of God since God did not scold him for it, only noah did, for obvious reasons.

sonmvayina:


Lol... You are still a baby, he uncovered his father's unclothedness means he had sex with his father's wife.... You still have much to learn
Just be humble, I am willing to teach you.

Kobojunkie:
What the heck?

ROFLMAO

sonmvayina:

Have you heard the word "euphemism" before?

RuggedSniper:
^^WORD! PLAGIARIZED FROM THE 'EPIC OF GILGAMESH' AND OTHER ANCIENT SOURCES. I HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS SINCE THE 1990s. Cyrus the Great of Persia (and the anointed of the bible god)... who was a Zoroastrian and the 'King of Kings' in the book of Ezra, created Judaism via Ezra a Persian Magi... an agent of Cyrus. Magis are the chief priests of the Zoroastrian religion of PERSIA. Ezra is the allegorical Moses! The use of burnt clay tablets by the Moses is anacronistic and only used by the Babylonians, Sumerians, Persian Empire...(Egyptians used papyrus not burnt clay tablets) Pharisees is the main branch of Judaism derived from the word Parsi or Persia or Iran!
Cyrus Cylinder burnt clay wordings are very similar to the book of Ezra. Iran is the origin of Judaism. Why did the bible God refer to Cyrus 'as my anointed?' Because Judaism is an imperfect copy of the Zoroastrian religion of Cyrus who was the colonial master of the ancient Israelites who worshipped many Gods. 'El' originally means many Gods NOT one God which was introduced by the Persians. The journey from Egypt and the 40 years in the wilderness never took place. NO grand kingdom of David or the walls of Jericho according to Prof. Ze'ev Hertzog an Israeli archaeologist... Neil Silberman in the book he co-wrote entitled: (The Bible Unearthed) also said the same and MORE! I Hope this helps everyone reading this. Cc: missjo, budaatum. @Kobojunkie... Why was there a resistance to the building of a new temple in Jerusalem by some people during the time of Ezra and the Persian Empire conquest? Because they were bringing a new religion or doctrine from Persia, even t though there was propaganda talk of restoring the religions of the conquered peoples. This is a reply to the question you asked me on page 2 nof this thread today. Again many similarities between the Zoroastrian and Jewish doctrines exist and the old testament reeks of this! Esther's uncle was a cup bearer for the king of Persia. Only ZOROASTRIAN Magis or Priests can act as a cup bearers. Rabbis and Magis also dressed alike. Pharisee is derived from the word Parsi (Persia or modern Iran).

sonmvayina:


Lol... You are still a baby, he uncovered his father's unclothedness means he had sex with his father's wife.... You still have much to learn


Just be humble, I am willing to teach you.

Kobojunkie:
How was it evil?

Not too long before this man and woman had been created with all their naked glory hanging free and swinging in the wind. God declared His handiwork GOOD. Man and woman lived without shame or care for as long as they did before man sinned.

After man sinned, shame showed up, a result the knowledge, likely of evil, that man had acquired( shame has nothing to do with good). Now, God, out of pity, made cloths for man to cover man's shame of that which God declared good.

Fast forward in time to the fateful incedent with Noah getting drunk and naked. It was not Ham's fault that Noah lost the covering He used to "hide" his shame. Ham found his old man naked and called his brothers. Sure they covered Noah up believing that what they beheld was worth concealing instead.

But Noah was wrong in attempting to curse his grandson, Canaan because he didn't do nothing wrong, nor did Ham, as far as good and evil is really concerned and at that time too. He could have maybe scolded him but not curse him. Fortunately, it seems the "curse" had no real effect anyways.


Validated?

missjo:

Are we talking about the same descendants of Canaan whom the Israelites, descendants of Shem destroyed, enslaved, and took over their lands?

budaatum:

You be humble!

Then will we learn to be humble from you.

Kobojunkie:
According to the curse, they were meant to be enslaved, not destroyed.
The curse can not then be claimed as reason for Canaan's destruction.

missjo:

Lol, enslaved, destroyed. I deliberately typed both

Not all of Canaan was completely destroyed.
For example, the Philistine country remained ensalved while the inhabitants of Jericho were completely destroyed, with the exception of Rahaab and her family.

Kobojunkie:
The philistine country did not remain enslaved for longer than a minute though.
So, still can't be the curse. The reason for Canaans destruction seems to have more to do with their immoral ways than it does any curse. After all loo k at the case of Sodom and Gomorrah, a civilization that met similar fate as Canaan.

I don't believe it is even possible for humans to curse that which they cannot create and.

missjo:
The Edomites, Moabites, Ammonites were also immoral and evil people in the sight of God, but their lands and people were never meant to be destroyed or enslaved by Israel even though they these nations surrounded Canaan

Kobojunkie:
Given the similarities between the listed peoples, how can you then say that Canaan's tragedy was definitely a result of a curse?

sonmvayina:


I am still learning ,we all learn every day...want i learnt in ss3 should be a piece of cake for me now..dont you think so?

budaatum:

Not every one was learning in ss3 with you. Some had teachers who made cake seem like poison so please have compassion for us, for we know not what we know not.

Grace, is the reason the teacher should be humble sonmvayina. If it were not for grace, you would be ignorant like us, I think. And humble teachers teach better.

sonmvayina:


You don't really know how to communicate.. Or your just deliberately feigning ignorance

budaatum:

Yet, we have communicated despite "deliberately feigning ignorance".

sonmvayina:


I don't seem to make heads or tails of your post... You are neither here nor there..