I'm currently using a camry muscle 09 but intended to change car to either hyundai sonata 12/13 , i want to be sure if i'm making a good choice ?

Dahreformer2666:
I'm currently using a camry muscle 09 but intended to change car to either hyundai sonata 12/13 , i want to be sure if i'm making a good choice ?

As long as technical people who can manage it is at hand no problem but if you are not living in a place where you cannot service it easily in case of any problem you could be courting trouble.

MightySparrow:
As long as technical people who can manage it is at hand no problem but if you are not leaving in a place where you cannot service it easily in case of any problem you could be courting trouble.

I stay in ilorin and I see people using the car

Dahreformer2666:


I stay in ilorin and I see people using the car

Fine, I don't know what goes on in Ilorin, I will advise you ask one or two persons there how they service theirs. I live in Ekiti and there is brand of the car now having problem and could not be solved. The mechanic handling it contacted the Hyundai office in Lagos just to be given a code to be used for brain box and to no avail. I don't say every user has same experience but carefully consider your options.

MightySparrow:
Fine, I don't know what goes on in Ilorin, I will advise you ask one or two persons there how they service theirs. I live in Ekiti and there is brand of the car now having problem and could not be solved. The mechanic handling it contacted the Hyundai office in Lagos just to be given a code to be used for brain box and to no avail. I don't say every user has same experience but carefully consider your options.

Let him contact me.

Going by the user's review I saw online it's a nice vehicle, nice exterior and interior set up. However, the engine might suddenly pack up on you on your way to buy bread from the next street. The airbags also appear to just pop up at the slightest opportunity most of them on copart with just bumper damage already have their airbags deployed.

Blacklaurel:
Going by the user's review I saw online it's a nice vehicle, nice exterior and interior set up. However, the engine might suddenly pack up on you on your way to buy bread from the next street. The airbags also appear to just pop up at the slightest opportunity most of them on copart with just bumper damage already have their airbags deployed.

it's the Gdi engine. Gasoline direct injection engines. The injectors are designed to spray fuel at high pressure directly into the cylinders. This results in a phenomenon they called the Low speed pre ignition LSPI which knocks the engine. For this, they recommended API SN plus grade of oil for these engines to make them last longer. So if you have that GDI engine, use oil with that specification. This is the reason BMW now uses Pennzoil as their official oil cos it meets that grade.

Much better off with a 2013 Accord, tbh. Even a 2009 TL is better.

Dahreformer2666:
I'm currently using a camry muscle 09 but intended to change car to either hyundai sonata 12/13 , i want to be sure if i'm making a good choice ?

As explained above, that GDI can die without notice. If you like Hyundai, you can get the Elantra instead.
It uses the regular Port Fuel Injection engines.

HeavenlyBang:
Much better off with a 2013 Accord, tbh. Even a 2009 TL is better.

The 2013 Accord, uses the same GDI technology.

Infact, the 2013 accord 2.4 'Earth dreams' engine has had reports of excessive oil consumption after a certain mileage, But,

It is better in quality than the Y20 Hyundai Sonata equipped with the GDI engine.

It is quite rare to see a 2011-2014 Hyundai sonata(with the 2.4 GDI and 2.0 TGDI) to go past 150,000 miles without catastrophic engine failure.

There was a massive recall of vehicles using such engines (Christened the THETA II GDI )due to the following issues:

1. Excessive oil consumption, due to chronic carbonization of its piston oil control rings. the said piston rings were too small imho.
2. distribution of metallic particles all around the engine block due to improper cleaning /deburring of engine crankshaft and engine block( this was their 'excuse' when issuing the recall). this would ultimately lead to excessive crankshaft bearing wear , usually at the no. 1 piston, and engine seizure.
3. Very weak oil pump/ Balance shaft assembly design

4. In some rare cases, ovalization of piston walls leading to piston slap. However this is usually common in cold/ temperate ( or salt belt ) regions. This issue is quite common in the 1.8 NU engines of the Elantra (2011-2014) used in similar regions due to lack of piston oil jets in the short block.

Aside the engine and other minor nuances ( airbag modules in early production models, weak rubber steering couplers etc) the car is quite a sweet car to own and drive.

I i currently have a seized 2.4 and i intend to rebuild it very soon ( to factory specifications , of course) and keep as a spare engine. it would be shared here.

Inception:


The 2013 Accord, uses the same GDI technology.

Infact, the 2013 accord 2.4 'Earth dreams' engine has had reports of excessive oil consumption after a certain mileage, But,

It is better in quality than the Y20 Hyundai Sonata equipped with the GDI engine.

It is quite rare to see a 2011-2014 Hyundai sonata(with the 2.4 GDI and 2.0 TGDI) to go past 150,000 miles without catastrophic engine failure.

There was a massive recall of vehicles using such engines (Christened the THETA II GDI )due to the following issues:

1. Excessive oil consumption, due to chronic carbonization of its piston oil control rings. the said piston rings were too small imho.
2. distribution of metallic particles all around the engine block due to improper cleaning /deburring of engine crankshaft and engine block( this was their 'excuse' when issuing the recall). this would ultimately lead to excessive crankshaft bearing wear , usually at the no. 1 piston, and engine seizure.
3. Very weak oil pump/ Balance shaft assembly design

4. In some rare cases, ovalization of piston walls leading to piston slap. However this is usually common in cold/ temperate ( or salt belt ) regions. This issue is quite common in the 1.8 NU engines of the Elantra (2011-2014) used in similar regions due to lack of piston oil jets in the short block.

Aside the engine and other minor nuances ( airbag modules in early production models, weak rubber steering couplers etc) the car is quite a sweet car to own and drive.

I i currently have a seized 2.4 and i intend to rebuild it very soon ( to factory specifications , of course) and keep as a spare engine. it would be shared here.

I...didn't know that. Either way, I haven't heard of any major issues with the K24 on the Accord. Like you said, similar technology but much better engineering.

Plus the Accord is just all-around a better car anyway.

chukel:
it's the Gdi engine. Gasoline direct injection engines. The injectors are designed to spray fuel at high pressure directly into the cylinders. This results in a phenomenon they called the Low speed pre ignition LSPI which knocks the engine. For this, they recommended API SN plus grade of oil for these engines to make them last longer. So if you have that GDI engine, use oil with that specification. This is the reason BMW now uses Pennzoil as their official oil cos it meets that grade.

Not necessarily.

The major gripe of GDI engines is the buildup of carbon, particularity on the intake valves and pistons which would cause the condition you stated above.

This, coupled with poor maintenance would easily coke up piston oil control rings and lead to excessive oil consumption( engine misfire, in some cases)

Sometimes consumption can get so bad (imagine 1 quart for every 200 miles) that the owner may not know he is dangerously low on oil till the oil light comes on.

Using API SN is a very good decision ( although the car in question was designed to run with SM, but SN is backward compatible up to SL)

HeavenlyBang:


I...didn't know that. Either way, I haven't heard of any major issues with the K24 on the Accord. Like you said, similar technology but much better engineering.

Plus the Accord is just all-around a better car anyway.

The K24 is a proven engine. and yes, the in- class accord is a much better car.

Funny thing is the short block in the Hyundai is shared with some models of Mitsubishi ( can remember actual models).

Inception:


Not necessarily.

The major gripe of GDI engines is the buildup of carbon, particularity on the intake valves and pistons which would cause the condition you stated above.

This, coupled with poor maintenance would easily coke up piston oil control rings and lead to excessive oil consumption.

Sometimes consumption can get so bad (imagine 1 quart for every 200 miles) that the owner may not know he is dangerously low on oil till the oil light comes on.

Using API SN is a very good decision ( although the car in question was designed to run with SM, but SN is backward compatible up to SL)

I will add a picture to better explain LSPI and the role of oil. A car designed to run on SM cannot be compatible with SL. It can be compatible with SN and all other specifications with alphabet above or after M but not below or before M. The latest grade of oil is now SP.

chukel:
I will add a picture to better explain LSPI and the role of oil. A car designed to run on SM cannot be compatible with SL. It can be compatible with SN and all other specifications with alphabet above or after M but not below or before M. The latest grade of oil is now SP.

It seems you did not get me in my last paragraph. We are both saying the same thing. i said using SN is a wise decision to prevent LSPI . Hyundai's Engines of the Y20 sonata were designed to use SM. SN is backwards compatible up to SL, meaning that SN can be used for SM and SL compatible ICEs.

And i defined engine knock before commenting as rod knock, and not as that described (my bad)

Meanwhile, The 2nd point of your extract explains why engine oils in GDI engines go black very soon after a fresh oil change

Inception:


It seems you did not get me in my last paragraph. We are both saying the same thing. i said using SN is a wise decision to prevent LSPI . Hyundai's Engines of the Y20 sonata were designed to use SM. SN is backwards compatible up to SL, meaning that SN can be used for SM and SL compatible ICEs.

ok. I get you. But the SN plus was formulated specifically for that LSPI phenomenon. Sorry, I no pass English. E de worry me atimes.
Btw, how did ur transmission issue end.

chukel:
ok. I get you. But the SN plus was formulated specifically for that LSPI phenomenon. Sorry, I no pass English. E de worry me atimes.
Btw, how did ur transmission issue end.

I dumped her... She became a demanding wife who wanted to destroy my life

Inception:


I dumped her... She became a demanding wife who wanted to destroy my life

Jesu. Why are you disappointing me. Can I come and marry her? Habaa. You want rebuild the transmission? Just get a replacement and enjoy the car.

chukel:
Jesu. Why are you disappointing me. Can I come and marry her? Habaa. You want rebuild the transmission? Just get a replacement and enjoy the car.

Naa.. lol. I sold the car.Replacing the transmission was just not worth it for the amount already invested.

Inception:


Naa.. lol. I sold the car.Replacing the transmission was just not worth it for the amount already invested.

lol. And you sold a car without transmission at a price worth it? Well, it's in the past.

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Dahreformer2666:
I'm currently using a camry muscle 09 but intended to change car to either hyundai sonata 12/13 , i want to be sure if i'm making a good choice ?

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Chapter1vs6:

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Dahreformer2666:


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Chapter1vs6:


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Chapter1vs6:


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Dahreformer2666:


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kingreign:


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Dahreformer2666:

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