jamesid29:
I don't know what you mean by "world" here but the church as we have it today is still basically the same as they had it in the days of the early church (atleast in Bible believing church). It's still a community of believers regularly meeting to worship,to pray, to learn and to share the bread and the cup. There was leadership and organizational then. Christ was the head then and Christ is still the head now.

No, the "world" church you have today is not the same church the disciples were a part of back in the 1st century. That is the point I was making in the comment you jumped in to respond to.
Christ was, and is the head of the first and only church that existed when the disciples were still living. However, Christ is not the head of the "world" churches of the Christian world.

Kobojunkie:
No, the "world" church you have today is not the same church the disciples were a part of back in the 1st century. That is the point I was making in the comment you jumped in to respond to.
Christ was, and is the head of the first and only church that existed when the disciples were still living. However, Christ is not the head of the "world" churches of the Christian world.

Wait, you mean the only church that existed was when Jesus was with the disciples?

jamesid29:
Wait, you mean the only church that existed was when Jesus was with the disciples?

The Church of Jesus Christ began after Jesus' death and resurrection. After His Ascension, the church came into its own(became capable) with the arrival of the Spirit of God. That Church, headed by Jesus Christ, is the church that belongs to Jesus Christ. Many of the members eventually met horrible fates but that Church remains the Church that belongs to Jesus Christ and is headed by Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
The Church of Jesus Christ began after Jesus' death and resurrection. After His Ascension, the church came into its own(became capable) with the arrival of the Spirit of God. That Church, headed by Jesus Christ, is the church that belongs to Jesus Christ. Many of the members eventually met horrible fates but that Church remains the Church that belongs to Jesus Christ and is headed by Jesus Christ.

Ok so, the church ended in the first century?

jamesid29:
Ok so, the church ended in the first century?

Christ's church is still marching on... only it is not the visible church, what I call "world church" that you see and know of today as Christianity.

Kobojunkie:
Christ's church is still marching on... only it is not the visible church, what I call "world church" that you see and know of today as Christianity.

Ok so, in your view, what happened to the community of believers after the apostles died. They all stopped meeting together and everybody went home(their separate ways)? Or Christ stopped being the head because the apostles are dead?

jamesid29:
Ok so, in your view, what happened to the community of believers after the apostles died. They all stopped meeting together and everybody went home(their separate ways)? Or Christ stopped being the head because the apostles are dead?

None of that!

Kobojunkie:
None of that!

So what happened to them?

jamesid29:
So what happened to them?

Those of them who were not killed during the persecution continued to live as Christ commanded them through His Spirit, and work righteousness wherever they found themselves, wherever God sent them.

Kobojunkie:
Those of them who were not killed during the persecution continued to live as Christ commanded them through His Spirit, and work righteousness wherever they found themselves, wherever God sent them.

Ok so, everyone went their separate ways.
And you know this how?

jamesid29:
Ok so, everyone went their separate ways. And you know this how?

What separate ways? The Church of Christ is not in a building or organized in a community as you imagine it. Christ is the Head and since His own learn everything from Him, whether alone or among others, they are still a part of His church, the only church that matters. All other representations mean nothing.

When the Spirit of God led Phillips away to a foreign land, did he, Philip, abandon the church of Jesus Christ? No, he remained a part of the body of Christ, even with an assignment that took him to a faraway place. The same applied then and now to all members of the Church of Jesus Christ. When Andrew and the others were later sent off to foreign lands, their membership in the church of Jesus Christ did not end, even in foreign lands.
The Spirit of Truth went with them, teaching, guiding, helping, comforting and counseling them every step of the way. Though they are separated by distance, they are still part of the body of Christ. Their fellowship is with the very Spirit of God, and they are led and taught by the Spirit of God alone.

Kobojunkie:
What separate ways? The Church of Christ is not in a building or organized in a community as you imagine it. Christ is the Head and since His own learn everything from Him, whether alone or among others, they are still a part of His church, the only church that matters. All other representations mean nothing.

When the Spirit of God led Phillips away to a foreign land, did he, Philip, abandon the church of Jesus Christ? No, he remained a part of the body of Christ, even with an assignment that took him to a faraway place. The same applied then and now to all members of the Church of Jesus Christ. When Andrew and the others were later sent off to foreign lands, their membership in the church of Jesus Christ did not end, even in foreign lands.
The Spirit of Truth went with them, teaching, guiding, helping, comforting and counseling them every step of the way. Though they are separated by distance, they are still part of the body of Christ. Their fellowship is with the very Spirit of God, and they are led and taught by the Spirit of God alone.

I'm not talking about individuals as part of Christ body. I'm talking about the community of believers that was setup by the apostles to worship, pray, strengthen one another, have the communion together etc.
Philip was part of the Jerusalem community and was one of the first deacons of the church. Because of the persecution in Judea the disciples spread out and every where they went, they setup similar communities(churches) and kept in touch with them. We find these in the books of acts and the apostlic letters.(this is the model we still use today in Bible believing churches).

You said these churches were disbanded after the death of the apostles and everyone went their separate ways.
My question is how did you come to this knowledge?

jamesid29:
I'm not talking about individuals as part of Christ body. I'm talking about the community of believers that was setup by the apostles to worship, pray, strengthen one another, have the communion together etc.

Jesus Christ came for the individual, not a community. According to the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ, each person bears his burden, not along with a community but alone. So, yes, Jesus Christ never said go join or create community gatherings.
As for the so-called community of apostles set up by the apostles, they did not set anything up. They were all hurdled together in a room after Jesus Christ departed because it was safer for them that way. Eventually, after the Spirit of God showed up, they started going out in groups to the temple area to preach to the Jews, guided by the Spirit of God of course who eventually sent them out, even individually locally and to far away lands.

jamesid29:
Philip was part of the Jerusalem community and was one of the first deacons of the church. Because of the persecution in Judea the disciples spread out and every where they went, they setup similar communities(churches) and kept in touch with them. We find these in the books of acts and the apostlic letters.(this is the model we still use today in Bible believing churches).

During the time they spent in Jerusalem, they set up a sort of welfare system to carry out the work of righteousness as Jesus Christ had appointed them to(Feed my sheep & Take care of my sheep found in John 21 -- more detail of this found in Matthew 25 vs 31-40). This is the work that they set up for, not your "community meetings" and praise and worship sessions that is your world churches today.

Yes, the first Christians, following Jesus Christ's commandments, set up and managed the world's first food pantry and welfare system. That is what the community was really about, while the individuals still went out to preach the gospel as Jesus Christ had sent them out to. Jesus Christ called them to serve in righteousness and that is what they set up to do.

Matthew 25 vs 31-40 (ESV)
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31. “The Son of Man will come again with divine greatness, and all his angels will come with him. He will sit as king on his great and glorious throne.
32. All the people of the world will be gathered before him. Then he will separate everyone into two groups. It will be like a shepherd separating his sheep from his goats.
33. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34. “Then the king will say to the godly people on his right, ‘Come, my Father has great blessings for you. The kingdom he promised is now yours. It has been prepared for you since the world was made.
35. It is yours because when I was hungry, you gave me food to eat. When I was thirsty, you gave me something to drink. When I had no place to stay, you welcomed me into your home.
36. When I was without clothes, you gave me something to wear. When I was sick, you cared for me. When I was in prison, you came to visit me.’
37. “Then the godly people will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and give you food? When did we see you thirsty and give you something to drink?
38. When did we see you with no place to stay and welcome you into our home? When did we see you without clothes and give you something to wear?
39. When did we see you sick or in prison and care for you?’
40. “Then the king will answer, ‘The truth is, anything you did for any of my people here,[b] you also did for me.’

Stephen, if you remember was made a deacon for exactly that purpose, so he could help the disciples, not so he could have for himself a title as a leader in an organization. They were all servants, not leaders, according to Jesus Christ's commandment. When the Spirit of God was ready to move them, they moved on to the next mission in obedience, but I believe everywhere they went, they carried out works of righteousness, not set up "praise and worship" centers as many like to assume.
The apostles didn't even set themselves up as teachers.. they were all servants and equal in all... as they preached only the message of Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone. They lived in submission to the lead of the Spirit of God who kept them all synced in Him i.e. they were in agreement, something you rarely ever find today in Christianity where only the leader gets to say what should be.

jamesid29:
You said these churches were disbanded after the death of the apostles and everyone went their separate ways.
My question is how did you come to this knowledge?

Oh, He told me, and I read books (the Bible of course) and other books on the history of the church, books I was led to read when I asked the Father why He seemed so against the world church. I went in there trying to find Him, and He kept telling me, He was not there at all... never was.
I still remember the very first book he led me to read... it was a book I happened upon while glancing through the shelves at a Salvation army store back when I first started with God. One of the most amazing experiences I ever had. I didn't get to finish reading the entire book because halfway through, I suddenly lost interest in it and He moved me on to another book.

Judybash93:


You didn't address his question

Which was?

OtemAtum:
Are you obsessed with my name? You've mentioned it thrice in a single post.

Not your name but because "it is not good for a man to be alone", so I dey send market come your side.

Dtruthspeaker:



Not your name but because "it is not good for a man to be alone", so I dey send market come your side.

Lol, so you feel lonely. Go and marry na

OtemAtum:
Lol, so you feel lonely. Go and marry na

aha, you no want dis market?

Another market dey for the other thread wey you talk small waka, you no go carry am? I bin call you for there make you come take market.

Dtruthspeaker:


aha, you no want dis market?

What are we buying and selling?

OtemAtum:
What are we buying and selling?

You no dey sell worship and discipleship to yourself, again?

Shop never close now, you just open am

Dtruthspeaker:


You no dey sell worship and discipleship to yourself, again?

Shop never close now, you just open am

Out of thousands of comments and posts I have made, have u ever seen me advocating worship or discipleship? Exactly what I'm against, you're levying it on me. Do you know Otem at all?

OtemAtum:
Out of thousands of comments and posts I have made, have u ever seen me advocating worship or discipleship? Exactly what I'm against, you're levying it on me. Do you know Otem at all?

No be you talk say make people come bow to you?

U dey deny urself? No be your name Otem surname Atum, dey for up there like Calabar name?

Otem na anoda pesin? Na Calabar man E be?

I know no any other Otem apart from you, and I truly no care to know, Na U I dey see say U talk say U be Otem, the Calabar man wey dey stay for Atimbo? Or Na Eta-Agbor you dey live?

Alright! I get it that the play for the day is over. But if you say something funny, I may not be able to help myself in having fun with you!

Dtruthspeaker:


No be you talk say make people come bow to you?

U dey deny urself? No be your name Otem surname Atum, dey for up there like Calabar name?

Otem na anoda pesin? Na Calabar man E be?

I know no any other Otem apart from you, and I truly no care to know, Na U I dey see say U talk say U be Otem, the Calabar man wey dey stay for Atimbo? Or Na Eta-Agbor you dey live?

Alright! I get it that the play for the day is over. But if you say something funny, I may not be able to help myself in having fun with you!

And this is funny to you, lol.