Maximus69:


Are you saying Jesus went to preach to Abraham (whose bosom was heaven) was also in prison at the time Jesus died?

Remember are talking about Abraham being in heaven even before Jesus paid for the sin of Mankind,

So my concern is how Abraham got there when Jesus has not paid for mankind's sins?

And about the spirits in prison,was Abraham also inclusive?

DappaD:




A sharp person would understand what I meant! If you can't understand at the moment, there's nothing I can do for you.

finestprof:
I disagree with your teachings..Jesus is God trapped in humanity. In order for us to be saved God had to come down in form of a man to save man. Man lacked true knowledge of God that was why Jesus had to come to unveil the father. When the bible says Jesus is the son of God it doesnt mean God gave birth to Jesus or has a carnal knowledge of a woman...Nooo..He is called the son of God because Jesus became a man to save man. Jesus is God compressed in mortality,trapped in matter,time. When deity becomes trapped in humanity, the almagamation of deity with humanity is called son of God. It is not son of God as in natural birth.
John 1 vs 12
Bornagain is the almagation of deity with humanity
There are so many other things you should unlearn and relearn
God bless u

chiemmanuel:
what would I gain
Can you vouch for all the witnesses worldwidw

chelsea04:
I've read from your post that jesus is not God, then who is the word of God,if it is jesus then go to john 1vs1 and read the formular of creation. "In the begining was the word and the word was with God and the word was God"

maxzzo1:
OP explain the 1914 cos that Bible passage(Rev 11:15) did not state any year or time abi una bible different

Maximus69:


Are you saying Jesus went to preach to Abraham (whose bosom was heaven) was also in prison at the time Jesus died?

Remember are talking about Abraham being in heaven even before Jesus paid for the sin of Mankind,

So my concern is how Abraham got there when Jesus has not paid for mankind's sins?

And about the spirits in prison,was Abraham also inclusive?

Mentorme:

How will you accept the testimony of Lazarus if you rejected that of Jesus?

Many people have published a book and testified about hell and heaven: do you believe it?

Cantonese:
Agreed that blood is life.

But Acts 15: 28-29 and Galatians 5: 19-21 do not speak against blood transfusion.
Acts 15:28-29 says "That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled things..." Note clearly "idols". How does that translate to blood transfusion? The bible clearly here is talking about food offered to idols. Same thing the bible tells us in Revelations 2: 14, 20 among others as Christians.

Please can you read through it with understanding and explain how blood transfusion is connected to this?

Mentorme:


Are you saying that all that you have said here is about Abraham?
Look at your mentality...
You can't even deduce

olaeffect:


Immediately you start preaching your religious sect/doctrine than preaching Jesus Christ the author and finisher of our faith; i stop seeing you as a believer or a Christian. No middle grounds.

JW believe in Jehovah than Christ, thereby rejecting Christ and the mystery that Jehovah Himself performed by the birth, death and resurrection of Christ.

The Roman Catholics are more concern about Roman tradition than Christianity or Jehovah.
80% of Roman Catholic doctrines are purely lifted from Roman traditional belief with nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity or Judaism.
Eg Mary being the mother of God rather than being just the birth mother of Jesus (first ever surrogacy).
The Roman Catholics never knew a woman can give birth to a child she is not related to by flesh and blood in the same way she was made pregnant despite knowing no man.

Mentorme:


In case you forgot, as Jesus left the grave to exist somewhere and returned to resurrect; so shall the case of Abraham be.

Maximus69:


Please don't get provoked Sir!

Jehovah's Witnesses taught me so many things and they never got tired of answering my questions using the scriptures. So i think you are going to prove them wrong by helping me out to get a better understanding of the scriptures!

Please i'm particular about Abraham, where was he exactly during the time Jesus walked the earth?

Jehovah's Witnesses taught me that the dead are conscious of nothing at all {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} until they are resurrected! Job 14:13-15

You said Abraham was already in heaven during the time Jesus walked the earth {Luke 16:22} but due to my quest to know more you said there are spirits in prison (1Peter 3:19-20} all what you said and what Jehovah's Witnesses said were found written in the Bible.

So i asked you "was Abraham also part of the spirits in prison or he was in heaven?"

Please don't be provoked i just want to know!

Cantonese:


Added to your explanations are the following bible verses:

1 John 5: 7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

How else can we describe it?

Unfortunately in the Jehovah witness bible this bible verse was carefully circumvented to read "For there are three witness bearers,". The same has happened to some other bible verses that you will not find in the Jehovah witness bible.

I need our brother to please get the complete bible now, read through and explain it.

chatinent:

3. Jesus. We follow the teachings and example of Jesus Christ and honor him as our Savior and as the Son of God. (Matthew 20:28; Acts 5:​31) Thus, we are Christians. (Acts 11:26) However, we have learned from the Bible that Jesus is not Almighty God and that there is no Scriptural basis for the Trinity doctrine.​—John 14:28.
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Maximus69:


Please what are you saying here?

Do you mean Jesus existed somewhere else after dying so that he now return again to be raised from the dead?

But the scriptures said Jesus was dead for three consecutive days!

Please where do you think he went during those days, and was Abraham also as powerful as Jesus so that he too can leave the grave for some time and later return to be resurrected?

mike272:


But isn't what the bible said, it said the dead will be brought back to life and those whose name are not contained in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. Rev 20:14,15. Which version are you reading?

Mentorme:


I said non of those things without quotation.
Find them.

Mentorme:

Is it that you can't read the quotation or you couldn't find it?

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Janosky:


If hellfire exist, how many of those stories tellers talk say them see Adam and Eve for hellfire?
Abi Adam and Eve, their torture done end?

DappaD:

That is what will shock you!
Jehovah's Witnesses extensively preach God's Kingdom(Daniel 2:44, Matthew 6:9,10, 24:14) and before you become a Witness, there are certain stages you'll have to pass through — intense Bible study, make visible and personal changes, dedication, baptism.
There is no way someone practising spiritism can become one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Spiritism is regarded as “works of the flesh” and those practising spiritism/witchcraft have no place in God's Kingdom! (Galatians 5:19-21)

So before you begin to tell lies or rubbish JW's, keep Matthew 5:11 in mind.

Hardtalk:



Oga, they stylishly removed the concluding part of that 1 John 5:7, from their own Bible. You will not see it there. Check the New World Translation and compare it with King James Version.

Ficeo:
Please brother, is it true that 144,000 people will go to heaven? Throw more light on this with biblical back up. Thanks.

Maximus69:


Please what has your quotation got to do with my question about the condition of Abraham when Jesus related the Parable of Lazarus and the rich man?

Bahamas95:
Jehovah's witnesses mind deep pass ocean. They want to know everything about you but keep their secrets to themselves as if na dem wise pass. Dem fit play Naira Marley music and nor complain about the lyrics but immediately you play Frank Edwards, Tope Alabi and other gospel music dem must see something to criticize about the song.


I once had them as friends but I have disassociated myself from them because I dislike pretenders.

chiemmanuel:
simple yes or no,
Can you vouch for the spirituality of all of them

olaeffect:


Immediately you start preaching your religious sect/doctrine than preaching Jesus Christ the author and finisher of our faith; i stop seeing you as a believer or a Christian. No middle grounds.

JW believe in Jehovah than Christ, thereby rejecting Christ and the mystery that Jehovah Himself performed by the birth, death and resurrection of Christ.

The Roman Catholics are more concern about Roman tradition than Christianity or Jehovah.
80% of Roman Catholic doctrines are purely lifted from Roman traditional belief with nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity or Judaism.
Eg Mary being the mother of God rather than being just the birth mother of Jesus (first ever surrogacy).
The Roman Catholics never knew a woman can give birth to a child she is not related to by flesh and blood in the same way she was made pregnant despite knowing no man.

Oracle20:
There's nothing that describes JW other than hypocrisy. You claim to be followers of Jesus Christ but most of the hard-line beliefs are not found in the teachings of Jesus Christ. You instruct your members not to accept blood transfusions(my cousin died cause of this) even in emergencies where the person is sure to die without blood, but you can accept transplants, is there any organ in the human body that doesn't have blood inside? Is that based on the teachings of Jesus Christ? All your beliefs are alike in the sense that they have no basis in the gospel of Jesus Christ. Examine them yourself. A Jehovah's witness has no problem dancing to the music of naira Marley where he's only singing vulgar but once you play a worship song by Nathaniel bassey he/she is infuriated but you are a follower of Christ. You guys are just extremists.

chatinent:

Thank you for reminding me I found the truth.

Maximus69:


Well in that case i'll settle for JWs explanation of the scriptures Sir!

The story of Lazarus and the rich man was a Parable, no man got resurrected or leave the grave before Jesus that's why the scriptures said he (Jesus) is the first to be resurrected and continue living from then on! Revelations 1:5

So there was no Abraham in heaven because Abraham died and never got resurrected even till now!

timlinofficial:
Can you please list this too
1. If you invite them to your place of worship they won't come unless it's for marriage as the believe you church isn't pure
2. That they believe they and only they serve God and other religions serve devil
3. Only they are honest and trustworthy
4. They have prophecy that the world will end and it never came to pass
5. That their governing body changed doctrine as they seem fit but questioning them means questioning God
6. They don't read other churchs publications but they want you to read theirs
7. They fear church elders than Jesus himself