Maximus69:


Chei DappaD wants to reset his brain back to factory setting!

It's very obvious churchgoers don't like reason.
I have this relative — a clergyman in RCCG. Anytime I go over to his place to discuss the Bible, he'll tell me ‘not to add meaning to the scriptures’
He normally says ‘I should just leave the Bible as it is’. On one occasion he even opened Revelation 21:8 and wanted to miscontrue the whole thing about lake of fire to mean their obsolete ‘hellfire’. When he read the verse finish, I asked him to explain what ‘second death’ means and behold — the usual ‘don't add meaning to the scriptures’ talk.
That's how all these churchgoers are too. Explain what Revelation 21:8 means by ‘second death’ and you'll see all of them fumbling.

Captainman:

Finish him!!!! Hahahaha
Funny enough he can't answer any of these questions

Let me PREACH salvation to you!

"Heaven is real, Hell is real, simbarry praise the Lord!

Captainman:


Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH.

look at where I capitalized. Now what this place is saying is that all those who are found guilty of doing all those things mentioned above Will be destroyed. The lake that Burns with fire and brimstone MEANS THE SECOND DEATH. So it's literal not a figurative thing. It's symbolises total destruction. To fully understand the true condition of the deaf pls read (Ecclesiastes 9:5,6). So they will be destroyed completely

Revelation 20:13-15
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into THE LAKE OF FIRE.

I believe you understand what the lake of fire means based on my last explanation that it means TOTAL AND FINAL DESTRUCTION
Now let's look at this portion ESPECIALLY VERSE 14. it talks about DEATH AND HELL the lake. For sure we know this is literal cos we know death isn't a physical thing we can hold. So it's simply means that There will be no more death. It's will be done away with FOREVER. Same applies to REVELATION 19:20, MARK 9:43-48,

Luke 16:20-23
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Yes this particular scripture has been the basis that some use to justify the claims of hellfire.
But if you study Jesus life when he was on earth you can see that anytime he found himself teaching he always used PARABLES. This account of Lazarus isn't a literal event. Jesus used that story to drive home his point which was for us to see the need to be kind to everyone we come across. That's just the simple explanation of that scripture. It's not literal but Jesus used it to as an illustration to teach his disciples and important lesson

Are you an adventist?

To start with, let me pan out that SALVATION IS IN JESUS ALONE!
I realized that many apologetics and Witnesses try to find a soft landing when propagating the truth that "God is love", In a bid to achieve this, they decided to believe that hell fire is not real. Hahahahahahaha
When asked to provide scriptures, they run to Ecclesiastical and try to shove it down everyone's throat. Honestly, you don't just sit by one scripture and then twist the rest to suit what you believe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hey, answer this please;
1. What happens to the devil and his angels?
2. What happens to the angels that did not keep their estate but went after the daughters of men?
3. Is judgement day real? Who is going to be the judge? Who is he/ are they going to judge?
Let's see how far fallacies can travel ..

Blabbermouth:
To start with, let me pan out that SALVATION IS IN JESUS ALONE!
I realized that many apologetics and Witnesses try to find a soft landing when propagating the truth that "God is love", In a bid to achieve this, they decided to believe that hell fire is not real. Hahahahahahaha
When asked to provide scriptures, they run to Ecclesiastical and try to shove it down everyone's throat. Honestly, you don't just sit by one scripture and then twist the rest to suit what you believe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hey, answer this please;
1. What happens to the devil and his angels?
2. What happens to the angels that did not keep their estate but went after the daughters of men?
3. Is judgement day real? Who is going to be the judge? Who is he/ are they going to judge?
Let's see how far fallacies can travel ..

1. The devil and his angels/demons depart into an everlasting cutting-off (Matthew 25:41, 46)

2. Those angels are still rebellious demons under Satan control, the answer to that is in number 1.
Satan and his demons will completely be annihilated in the ‘lake of fire’ symbolizing the second death (Revelation 20:10, 21:8 )

3. a. Yes, Judgment Day is a time period when mankind in general will be called to account by God. This time period as revealed by Revelation, refers to the Millennial Rule of Jesus Christ.

b. Jehovah God is the Eternal Judge over all creation. He is the Judge of the whole earth. (Genesis 18:25). But on this occasion, God has appointed his Son, Jesus Christ to do the judging (John 5:22, Acts 10:41, 2Timothy 4:1)

c. During the millennial reign, there will be a resurrection of all those who have died throughout mankind's history (Acts 24:15)
Those resurrected will be given the opportunity to exercise faith in Jesus' ransom sacrifice and make necessary changes before they'll be judged! (Revelation 20:12, 13)


Can we now hear your own explanation of your questions?

Blabbermouth:
To start with, let me pan out that SALVATION IS IN JESUS ALONE!
I realized that many apologetics and Witnesses try to find a soft landing when propagating the truth that "God is love", In a bid to achieve this, they decided to believe that hell fire is not real. Hahahahahahaha
When asked to provide scriptures, they run to Ecclesiastical and try to shove it down everyone's throat. Honestly, you don't just sit by one scripture and then twist the rest to suit what you believe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hey, answer this please;
1. What happens to the devil and his angels?
2. What happens to the angels that did not keep their estate but went after the daughters of men?
3. Is judgement day real? Who is going to be the judge? Who is he/ are they going to judge?
Let's see how far fallacies can travel ..

First of all present your own answers and be rest assured that ours can never be the same with yours.
Answers with convincing explanations back with the scriptures!

Blabbermouth:
To start with, let me pan out that SALVATION IS IN JESUS ALONE!
I realized that many apologetics and Witnesses try to find a soft landing when propagating the truth that "God is love", In a bid to achieve this, they decided to believe that hell fire is not real. Hahahahahahaha
When asked to provide scriptures, they run to Ecclesiastical and try to shove it down everyone's throat. Honestly, you don't just sit by one scripture and then twist the rest to suit what you believe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hey, answer this please;
1. What happens to the devil and his angels?
2. What happens to the angels that did not keep their estate but went after the daughters of men?
3. Is judgement day real? Who is going to be the judge? Who is he/ are they going to judge?
Let's see how far fallacies can travel ..

I'd like to correct you on some things as well.

Blabbermouth : I realized that many apologetics and Witnesses try to find a soft landing when propagating the truth that "God is love"


DappaD : Can you help us check whether 1John 4:8 is in your Bible? Let's know whether it's Jehovah's Witnesses that put it there or not.


Blabbermouth: In a bid to achieve this, they decided to believe that hell fire is not real.

DappaD : Do you know that the very idea of burning people in fire disgust as in irritates God? — Jeremiah 7:31. Life is meant to be enjoyed and God who is the source of life CAN NEVER subject his creation to such circumstances — Psalm 36:9, Revelation 4:11


However one question is still poised at you hellfire propagators, where did God say Adam and Eve would go when they sinned and died? – Genesis 3:19. We've not heard anything from you guys yet, why?

DappaD:


1. The devil and his angels/demons depart into an everlasting cutting-off (Matthew 25:41, 46)

2. Those angels are still rebellious demons under Satan control, the answer to that is in number 1.
Satan and his demons will completely be annihilated in the ‘lake of fire’ symbolizing the second death (Revelation 20:10, 21:

3. a. Yes, Judgment Day is a time period when mankind in general will be called to account by God. This time period as revealed by Revelation, refers to the Millennial Rule of Jesus Christ.

b. Jehovah God is the Eternal Judge over all creation. He is the Judge of the whole earth. (Genesis 18:25). But on this occasion, God has appointed his Son, Jesus Christ to do the judging (John 5:22, Acts 10:41, 2Timothy 4:1)

c. During the millennial reign, there will be a resurrection of all those who have died throughout mankind's history (Acts 24:15)
Those resurrected will be given the opportunity to exercise faith in Jesus' ransom sacrifice and make necessary changes before they'll be judged! (Revelation 20:12, 13)

1. Let's not mingle with English puh-leaaaze, which one is "Everlasting Cut-off"?
2. How does lake of fire translate to total destruction?
" Gibrah" is the Hebrew word for grave. "Gehenna" is something else entirely....
How does "Gehenna" then translate to grave?
3. a. Do you mean all mankind? Or just the righteous ones (like the JW)?
b. Spot on! Agreed!
c. What happens after they are judged?

DappaD:


I'd like to correct you on some things as well.

Blabbermouth : I realized that many apologetics and Witnesses try to find a soft landing when propagating the truth that "God is love"


DappaD : Can you help us check whether 1John 4:8 is in your Bible? Let's know whether it's Jehovah's Witnesses that put it there or not.


Blabbermouth: In a bid to achieve this, they decided to believe that hell fire is not real.

DappaD : Do you know that the very idea of burning people in fire disgust as in irritates God? — Jeremiah 7:31. Life is meant to be enjoyed and God who is the source of life CAN NEVER subject his creation to such circumstances — Psalm 36:9, Revelation 4:11


However one question is still poised at you hellfire propagators, where did God say Adam and Eve would go when they sinned and died? – Genesis 3:19. We've not heard anything from you guys yet, why?

They are already enjoying in heaven nah!

Maximus69:


First of all present your own answers and be rest assured that ours can never be the same with yours.
Answers with convincing explanations back with the scriptures!

Witnesses are notorious for shoving interpretation down people's throat.
If Paul says "it shall vanish away" , witnesses will tell you that he was talking about the "1st century".
If Jesus says there shall be " gnashing of teeth" , witnesses will tell you that he was talking about the decay of the bones.
So, I won't go first.

Blabbermouth:

1. Let's not mingle with English puh-leaaaze, which one is "Everlasting Cut-off"?
2. How does lake of fire translate to total destruction?
" Gibrah" is the Hebrew word for grave. "Gehenna" is something else entirely....
How does "Gehenna" then translate to grave?
3. a. Do you mean all mankind? Or just the righteous ones (like the JW)?
b. Spot on! Agreed!
c. What happens after they are judged?

Calm down. This is not job interview. You ask questions, I ask questions. That's how it should work.


1. Please where did God say Adam and Eve will go after they sinned and died?

2. What is the second death as revealed by Revelation 2:21, 20:6, 14, 21:8?

Explain. Using only scriptural references.

Blabbermouth:

Witnesses are notorious for shoving interpretation down people's throat.
If Paul says "it shall vanish away" , witnesses will tell you that he was talking about the "1st century".
If Jesus says there shall be " gnashing of teeth" , witnesses will tell you that he was talking about the decay of the bones.
So, I won't go first.

Nobody is shoving anything down anybody's throat oga. Either you want to listen or you don't.
We'll still maintain our stand — and that's what is misunderstood by people.

Blabbermouth:

Witnesses are notorious for shoving interpretation down people's throat.
If Paul says "it shall vanish away" , witnesses will tell you that he was talking about the "1st century".
If Jesus says there shall be " gnashing of teeth" , witnesses will tell you that he was talking about the decay of the bones.
So, I won't go first.

Then it's better you go out there and make your disciples in PEACE so that JWs also find there own disciples in PEACE no wahala!

DappaD:


Calm down. This is not job interview. You ask questions, I ask questions. That's how it should work.


1. Please where did God say Adam and Eve will go after they sinned and died?

2. What is the second death as revealed by Revelation 21:8?

Explain. Using only scriptural references.

As your lordship pleases.
Do you know anything about the word "SHEOL"?! Well, that is by the way.
1. God said they will die the same day they eat of the forbidden fruit, even then after eating the fruit, man did not die (physically)!
God said " you will return to the ground, out of it was thou taken: you are dust, and unto dust you shall return".... Hey, hey, hey beloved, before you are quick to jump up and conclude that God meant that will be the end of every man, ask yourself - Is man Dust Alone? Hahahahahahahahahaha
Gen 2:7 - the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE; and man became a LIVING SOUL.
Hey, the flesh is from the dust but the BREATH is not! The writer of Ecclesiastes said the body goes into the grave but the spirit goes to where? Hahahahahahaha
Now, Jesus was exposing a secret to his listeners and he said "God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He is not the God of the dead (God forbid!) , He is the God of the Living!" How can God be the God of Abraham and still be God of the Living? Perhaps, Abraham, Jacob and Isaac are still alive?
The Lord God was talking to Cain and he said - "Your brother's blood cry unto me from the ground."
C'mon isn't Abel dead? Why is his blood still speaking good things?
Go and study your bible without have to depend on some board of directors (no abuse intended) , and you will know where Adam, Eve, Cain, Abraham, Abel, and the likes went.

Blabbermouth:

As your lordship pleases.
Do you know anything about the word "SHEOL"?! Well, that is by the way.
1. God said they will die the same day they eat of the forbidden fruit, even then after eating the fruit, man did not die (physically)!
God said " you will return to the ground, out of it was thou taken: you are dust, and unto dust you shall return".... Hey, hey, hey beloved, before you are quick to jump up and conclude that God meant that will be the end of every man, ask yourself - Is man Dust Alone? Hahahahahahahahahaha
Gen 2:7 - the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE; and man became a LIVING SOUL.
Hey, the flesh is from the dust but the BREATH is not! The writer of Ecclesiastes said the body goes into the grave but the spirit goes to where? Hahahahahahaha
Now, Jesus was exposing a secret to his listeners and he said "God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He is not the God of the dead (God forbid!) , He is the God of the Living!" How can God be the God of Abraham and still be God of the Living? Perhaps, Abraham, Jacob and Isaac are still alive?
The Lord God was talking to Cain and he said - "Your brother's blood cry unto me from the ground."
C'mon isn't Abel dead? Why is his blood still speaking good things?
Go and study your bible without have to depend on some board of directors (no abuse intended) , and you will know where Adam, Eve, Cain, Abraham, Abel, and the likes went.

No
Leave those ‘board of directors’ out of this. I asked you a simple question, where are Adam and Eve now?

DappaD:

No
Leave those ‘board of directors’ out of this. I asked you a simple question, where are Adam and Eve now?

That's exactly what i was expecting from him!

DappaD:

No
Leave those ‘board of directors’ out of this. I asked you a simple question, where are Adam and Eve now?

In the dust. Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha

Blabbermouth:

In the dust. Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha

Are you ready to be serious or not? Why the unnecessary laughter?

Good. They're in the dust.
So how did the hellfire doctrine now come about? Since it's obvious people return to dust when they die.

DappaD:


Are you ready to be serious or not? Why the unnecessary laughter?

Good. They're in the dust.
So how did the hellfire doctrine now come about? Since it's obvious people return to dust when they die.

Did you not say they will be resurrected?

Blabbermouth:

Did you not say they will be resurrected?

Resurrection is another topic entirely. The topic of this thread is about the fallacious nature of hellfire.

This is my question.

DappaD:


So how did the hellfire doctrine now come about?

Since the Bible reveals Adam and Eve went to the dust. Was God now lying that they went somewhere else?

DappaD:

Resurrection is another topic entirely. The topic of this thread is about the fallacious nature of hellfire.

This is my question.
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Since the Bible reveals Adam and Eve went to the dust. Was God now lying that they went somewhere else?

No! Do not shadow box please. You can't talk about hellfire and not talk about resurrection.

Captainman:


That's not true. The story of the master and the slaves was it real?. The story of the 10 virgins was it real? ABSOLUTELY NO. JESUS USED THEM TO CONVEY THE MESSAGE HE HAD FOR HIS DISCIPLES

Are you saying there were no masters with servants when Jesus made those parables?

Jesus always use real events and things to make parables

Blabbermouth:

In the dust. Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha

Blabbermouth, let's assume your mother is muslim, but a very liberal muslim loved by all because she is very nice. She does so much good and have even established so many orphanage homes and stuff like that.
You love your mum so much, and everyday you preach jesus to her telling her to accept jesus as lord and saviour, but she didn't.

On the last day would God admit her to heaven or hell? considering that everyone must accept jesus as lord and saviour to get to heaven according to the evangelists and the likes of Righteousness89? If she goes to hell, how comfortable would you be in your heaven?

Blabbermouth:

No! Do not shadow box please. You can't talk about hellfire and not talk about resurrection.

Lol. Okay. Tell OP to change the topic name to ‘Is Resurrection Real?’ and we can talk about it.
Til then, as long as this topic concerns ‘Hellfire’ we're going to be discussing about the lies behind the mythical hellfire.

DappaD:


Lol. Okay. Tell OP to change the topic name to ‘Is Resurrection Real?’ and we can talk about it.
Til then, as long as this topic concerns ‘Hellfire’ we're going to be discussing about the lies behind the mythical hellfire

Fuel has finished in his tank nah!

After all his Churchgoer Pastor's mindset he now quote God's word that man returned to dust!

DappaD:


Lol. Okay. Tell OP to change the topic name to ‘Is Resurrection Real?’ and we can talk about it.
Til then, as long as this topic concerns ‘Hellfire’ we're going to be discussing about the lies behind the mythical hellfire.

Typical.
I've never met any Christian that says "Hell fire is where you go when you die"... No! It's actually " Hellfire is where you go after you've been judged and you are found wanting"
Do you now see the foolishness of using Gen3:19 as a soft landing?

Blabbermouth:

Typical.
I've never met any Christian that says "Hell fire is where you go when you die"... No! It's actually " Hellfire is where you go after you've been judged and you are found wanting"
Do you now see the foolishness of using Gen3:19 as a soft landing?

Which brings us to my second question.

DappaD:



2. What is the second death as revealed by Revelation 2:21, 20:6,14, 21:8?

You see how I ask my questions logically? So with the first question we've debunked the lies about the existence of ghosts and the place humans go where they die — now we'll concentrate on the forged hellfire doctrine and debunk it as well.

Another question just sprung up.
Are you saying that Adam and Eve haven't been judged yet?
Let's see your knowledge on the Scriptures.

Daejoyoung:

Blabbermouth, let's assume your mother is muslim, but a very liberal muslim loved by all because she is very nice. She does so much good and have even established so many orphanage homes and stuff like that.
You love your mum so much, and everyday you preach jesus to her telling her to accept jesus as lord and saviour, but she didn't.

On the last day would God admit her to heaven or hell? considering that everyone must accept jesus as lord and saviour to get to heaven according to the evangelists and the likes of Righteousness89? If she goes to hell, how comfortable would you be in your heaven?

Very comfortable!
Again, SALVATION IS IN JESUS ALONE!
You cannot redeem yourself with your blood (That is the most foolish doctrine widely accepted today).
It would interest you to know that we will not remain in Heaven eternally, we will be in the new earth forever. Also, when Jesus died, he died with a terrestrial body, however when he resurrected, he ressurected with a CELESTIAL BODY.
This new and glorious body does not have Blood. This new and glorious body does not have any tendency to Sin. This new and glorious body isn't moved by that thing you call "Feelings" and "emotions "...
Go and read the book of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John (the account of Jesus' earthly ministry till he died) and compare it with Jesus in the book of Revelation (Jesus with Celestial body and in heaven)...
He was sounding more like the old testament LORD YHWH ...
We are going to be changed from mere mortals to Divine beings, don't expect humanly feelings and emotions to be part of the divine package.

DappaD:

Which brings us to my second question.


You see how I ask my questions logically? So with the first question we've debunked the lies about the existence of ghosts and the place humans go where they die — as well as the forged hellfire doctrine.

Another question just sprung up.
Are you saying that Adam and Eve haven't been judged yet?
Let's see your knowledge on the Scriptures.

Jehovah's witnesses talk like robots... I've heard what you are saying, many times, many places and again and again and again.
If the Lord wills, I will enlighten you completely after you've tendered your doctrine completely.
You are the ones that rush to open Gen 3:19 yet you still claim that all of mankind will be resurrected.
Oga, hope you know that you've not answered my questions yet?

Maximus69:


Fuel has finished in his tank nah!

After all his Churchgoer Pastor's mindset he now quote God's word that man returned to dust!

Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha Hahahahahahaha haha....
You will soon realize he is leading himself to a dead end.
(Fuel finished in my tank? No! I was busy sorting things out here so I couldn't give him a long reply)

Dear Jehovah's Witnesses...
Who are those that will be resurrected?
Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha Hahahahahahaha
Them be so quick to quote Gen3:19, so they should also be quick to answer the question.

Blabbermouth:

Jehovah's witnesses talk like robots... I've heard what you are saying, many times, many places and again and again and again.
If the Lord wills, I will enlighten you completely after you've tendered your doctrine completely.
You are the ones that rush to open Gen 3:19 yet you still claim that all of mankind will be resurrected.
Oga, hope you know that you've not answered my questions yet?

There is no need to rigmarole. Just say you don't know and leave these your big big talks.

You asked me 3questions and I answered all 3 without hesitation.
Now ordinary two questions I've asked you, you're all about the place talking about doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Call me robot, zombie, I agree I am all of those. But it still doesn't affect my questions.
This is the second part of my earlier questions.

DappaD:



2. What is the second death as revealed by Revelation 2:21, 20:6, 14, 21:8?

Please give an answer let's move on. Thanks.