twhy111:
let go back to the book of Genesis, when it is evident that God intension for us originally was to live forever until Eve gave Adam the fruit to eat. Makes me go back to it was that he saw it coming, he knows what would likely happen and the aftermath, he could have saved us from the mess due to his undying love he's got for us. But he let it pass and rain curse on man. Are we part of the hell fire plan if Adam had not eaten the fruit?

twhy111:
[u]let go back to the book of Genesis, when it is evident that God intension for us originally was to live forever until Eve gave Adam the fruit to eat. Makes me go back to it was that he saw it coming, he knows what would likely happen and the aftermath[/b], he could have saved us from the mess due to his undying love he's got for us. But he let it pass and rain curse on man. Are we part of the hell fire plan if Adam had not eaten the fruit?

Maximus69:


According to the Bible, God said he didn't see it coming!

The fallacy of OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT and OMNIPRESENCE concept has led most people to a totally wrong conclusion about God!

Maximus69:

Jesus is the WORD of God! John 1:1

And right from the time he began revealing sacred secrets, he never declare it in clear terms.
He always make use of illustrations. Matthew 13:34
So if you want to know the real meaning of what Jesus is saying, you need to go back to the Hebrew~Aramaic Scriptures (Old Testament) to correlate what he is saying, otherwise you'll be mixing everything up.
The understanding of those verses only belongs to the BORN AGAIN Christians, if you're not one of them then you need to learn it from them.
Jesus uses FIRE as a symbol of complete destruction, but the interpreters of KJV made it seem as if God will make a place where he will start roasting people alive!

Well for your information, such a thing is detestable to the Holy one of Israel and not even those wicked translators can bring it into his heart! Jeremiah 7:31, 19:5

So if you want to know the meaning of what Jesus is teaching with those symbols you're free to ask, but know that many of those greedy religionsists claiming Christians out there can never understand the sacred secrets in God's word! Daniel 12:10

twhy111:

Are you saying he's none of the aforementioned?
Beacuse you said it a fallacy.
God is one and he's everywhere at once.
Is that a fallacy?
Any scripture backing that says he's not?

twhy111:

Those verses quoted above by me, pls do they exist also in your own version of the Bible?

What makes you think the interpreter of the version of your own Bible are the most accurate?

Maximus69:


The bolded is a fallacy!

According to the Bible God has the power to see everything happening under the sun but he chose not to do so, why?
Because he is Holy (pure in heart) and someone like that can't stand viewing evil because it doesn't bring him joy that he deserves in the things he made with his own hands {Genesis 6:5-6} so he decides not to pay attention to everything that's happened on the surface of the earth! Habakkuk 1:13

Take for instance what happened in Sodom and Gomorrah, God said "i've heard a lot about the things (evil) that's happening there so i want to go and inspect it myself if the reports are true" Genesis 18:20-21

Please according to this event is God everywhere as the concept of Omnipresence teaches?

twhy111:



Those verses quoted above by me, pls do they exist also in your own version of the Bible?

What makes you think the interpreter of the version of your own Bible are the most accurate?

Maximus69:

Have you checked those Bible verses in your own copy?
Please what do you think about the one saying "such a thing has not come into my heart"?
Do you still think he wants to subject the creature he made in his image to such cruelty for eternity?

Well the Bible called him the holy one of Israel {Psalms 78:41} he is pure at heart so i can't agree with anyone that someone so pure could think of such cruel thing! Jeremiah 7:31

Dtruthspeaker:


God is Mightily Good that He, who gave us the Law of Privacy, Observes that Privacy Himself!

For He has Proven His Omniness again and again and needs no further proof, so you speak not well!

Dtruthspeaker:

This is how he shall be citing incorrect Scriptures all over the Bible. Now he moved from Genesis to Psalms.

The Firm Unshakable Spirit of Truth does not allow him to stand on It!

Maximus69:

Is there any rules saying one must only quote from the same portion of the scriptures?
Well my Master, Lord and King (Jesus) quoted from Genesis to Malachi to help his audience understand his point. If you don't know God's word is in harmony from the beginning to the end know today that "All scriptures is inspired of God and benefitial for teaching reproving setting matters straight and discipline in righteosness" 2Timothy 3:16




Speak of your own nah!

Let's see how far God's spirit is working with you to connect God's word in order to establish the truth! 2Timothy 3:17

Maximus69:

Is there any rules saying one must only quote from the same portion of the scriptures?
Well my Master, Lord and King (Jesus) quoted from Genesis to Malachi to help his audience understand his point. If you don't know God's word is in harmony from the beginning to the end know today that "All scriptures is inspired of God and benefitial for teaching reproving setting matters straight and discipline in righteosness" 2Timothy 3:16

Speak of your own nah!

Let's see how far God's spirit is working with you to connect God's word in order to establish the truth! 2Timothy 3:17

Maximus69:


The bolded is the fallacy blurring your senses!

I never said he can't be whatever he chooses to be, but he has decided not to be because his eyes are too pure to continue seeing evil Habakkuk 1:13

For instance, a mother loves her child right from pregnancy stage {Isaiah 49:15} she took care of the child until he becomes an adult and finally married, this mother will never wish him out of her sight because he's a source of joy for her.

But she will not like seeing him again if he runs insane and begin doing things that saddens the heart of his mother! Genesis 6:5-6

That's exactly what God's word is saying about humans in general! Deuteronomy 32:5

Maximus69:


Hell simply means grave!

God never designed any place of torment, that is the idea of Greek philosopher Plato.
What God told Adam is "you're from the dust and you will return to dust" Genesis 3:19

God's word said no matter the kind of sin anyone commits, death is the ultimate punishment {Romans 6:23} once a person dies he has been discharged of any sin he committed {Romans 6:7} so it's either the person is remembered by God perhaps his case is still considerable but if not such a person will not be remembered for resurrection! Malachi 3:16

Dtruthspeaker:


The Rule is that, With the Spirit of Truth, you can be Established and Grounded on It, With Only One Accurate quote! Additional quotes will be an Overkill!

That is the What the Mighty has Done through the Power of The Spirit of Truth.

And it is That Truth which Guarantees whether a Person Stands or Falls or shows whether a person stands or falls (Fall-ability or Fall-acy)

And you Fall! For, we see you Fall!!!

Dtruthspeaker:


Think I would leave the focus of the thread to argue Omniness, that is Proven Already? No I would not!

MistadeRegal:


Hell ain't the grave.
Hell is a living organism on its own, physical but alive in the spirit. Capable of expanding itself spiritually while it's form remains as it is physically.

Maximus69:


Thanks for your contribution Sir!

MistadeRegal:


Blessed be true name of the LORD.

Maximus69:


I'm interested in the scriptural backings of your so called Hell, can you prove its a living organism with the Bible?

MistadeRegal:


It's both in the Bible and I also had personal revelations about Hell when the LORD took me to go and see how it is there and know what to tell the world.

Maximus69:


The bolded is a fallacy!

According to the Bible God has the power to see everything happening under the sun but he chose not to do so, why?
Because he is Holy (pure in heart) and someone like that can't stand viewing evil because it doesn't bring him joy that he deserves in the things he made with his own hands {Genesis 6:5-6} so he decides not to pay attention to everything that's happened on the surface of the earth! Habakkuk 1:13

Take for instance what happened in Sodom and Gomorrah, God said "i've heard a lot about the things (evil) that's happening there so i want to go and inspect it myself if the reports are true" Genesis 18:20-21

Please according to this event is God everywhere as the concept of Omnipresence teaches?

twhy111:

Who can hide in secret places
    so that I cannot see them?”
declares the Lord.
    “Do not I fill heaven and earth?”
declares the Lord. Jeremiah 23:24.

Hebrew 4:13
Revelation 1:8 calls him the alpha and the omega, he knows the beginning and the end.

MistadeRegal:


Hell ain't the grave.
Hell is a living organism on its own, physical but alive in the spirit. Capable of expanding itself spiritually while it's form remains as it is physically.

Maximus69:

Those who have dealt treacherously with God's people! He doesn't take note of the ones having no dealings with his people, that's why we need to know his people so as not to offend him through them. It's his angels that are taking account of everything happening on earth. If you are a nice person, the angels will keep account of you but don't forget that your niceness never made you his worshiper so during resurrection you will be remembered but as an unrighteous person not one of his righteous servants {Act 15:24} Based on this his eyes (angels) that are everywhere! Proverbs 15:3; Ezekiel 1:18, 10:12; Revelations 4:8



He is the beginning and the end, because there is nothing that can change his plans, whatever he wants will certainly happen as he purposes {Isaiah 55:11} So no matter what the rebellious creatures do, what God has in mind will come to be as he planned it from the beginning.
That's why he could say "I am the beginning and the end"
This statement is to assure his loyal servants not to entertain any doubt or fear, Satan has caused so much pain to humanity but we can be rest assured that faithful ones will regain everlasting life no matter what happens {Revelations 21:3-6} do you notice how confident he is when he said "it has come to pass?"
Well that's because he's certain that nothing can stop him from making this earth the Paradise he wanted from the beginning! Genesis 1:26-28

twhy111:

I'm glad you shared your input on the discussion, since we're on the same page that hell do exist, will do you do to answer some of the point I raised from onset?
If he loved us so much, why should hell exist?

Dtruthspeaker:


Having taught and raised your children, do you not foresee that they shall be examined and tested by other people anywhere and anytime?

As a parent, do you not already know that they shall pass every test or examination thrown at them?

So, are you likely to do any thing more than what you have already done to guarantee their successes? No, you are not! For most especially you have seen them pass.

Adam first passed, and continually passed. If first born passed which parent here shall ever expect that second born would fail something first born passed? No, not ever not one. We are even rather confident that all our children Both born and unborn shall always overcome.

So Imagine when one of them fails? Oh, what disaster and shame! No one would be able to eat that day.

And when you investigate and find out that the cause of the failure is because the child was Negligent and that he failed because of his own personal plans, tell me, which parent here will walk away, especially when it was a test given by your enemy?

When I was a child, i was upstairs, coming out from my neighbours flat when his son downstsirs said I should throw down his table tennis bat, the Kpako type we used as Children. I spun it skillfully to enjoy the spin while it dropped.

It spun and went to break the same child's Father's windscreen, which did not break at the time but the father came to our house later to accuse me of breaking his windscreen (At a period when 504 was N5000=, Beatle, N1,000= so most people did not have a car.

I was the first to break windscreen almost everywhere in my area. And guess what, it was the windscreen of a man who hated my family, I was told about his hatred, but.because I play with his children, I did not remember.

Do you think I escaped the consequences of my act, or I should have escaped and not suffer any loss of my privileges?

Same thing played out in the Movie Thor, when Odin his movie father, cast him out and stripped him off his powers for disobeying a direct and express Command that he Thor, must not attack Jotunheim, which one of us ever thought that that judgement was unfair?

No one did!

Punishment followeth after offences!

Dtruthspeaker:


Ow, you did not point out any error in my response.

But would it not be easier and wiser and profitable to obey Him rather than desire that He never Created such terrible places?

Have you considered that He Can Always Create those Terrible Places, if He did not create them before, at anytime, even after Judgement is given, in Exercise of His Rights? Can anyone stop Him? Or will anyone stop Him?

twhy111:


Now you're contradicting your earlier statement and further confusing me by saying there's nothing that can change his plan.

If his plan for us initially was never to die, what change it then?

If you say there's no hell, then you might as well say there's no paradise.
We'd come to earth and die at the due time and the cycles continue according to science.

I believe God's words are in harmony and none can contradicts each other. Whatever he says must surely comes to pass.

twhy111:

I'm glad you shared your input on the discussion, since we're on the same page that hell do exist, will do you do to answer some of the point I raised from onset?
If he loved us so much, why should hell exist?

MistadeRegal:


Hell was a place of banishment for several fallen angels that GOD would not permit to roam on earth among men due to the extreme anger amd hatred they had towards GOD for sending them out of Heaven, which they will extend towards men because men carries the image of GOD.

But since there are several souls of men which happened to become corrupted and defiled, unclean to enter into the glory of GOD after they get into the realm of souls, they were diverted into Hell. In Hell, since the human souls happen to become weak in the realm of souls, while being diverted to Hell, they become prey to the fallen angels in Hell.

These fallen angels take out the extreme anger and hatred they had for GOD on what happens to be in His image, human souls. This is why these fallen angels show human souls no mercy whatsoever. In Hell, there are several sections. Not everybody in Hell are in fire. Some are in prisons over there. Some are under hard labour forced to bend over and continuously trimming this ever•growing plants in extreme agony I can't find words to explain.

The demons would not let them stoop down when their backs ache as a whip which is alive on its own operates itself and strikes them fiercely even though the demons just move it from where they are. This whip twirls like when a serpent is made to stand while running instead of its body being on the floor. It strikes them in several lashes I can't count due to the speed at which it operates and the soul flogged will bend over again and continue trimming the ever•growing plants.

There are several old men and women in Hell. There are several young men and women in Hell. There are several young boys and girls in Hell. These demons do not regard the age of anyone. They treat all equal.
Several others go into several other inhumane tortures too gory.
It was in these I came to know that most comic hero and villain characters are real, they are images and exact shape of demons in Hell.

There are still too many to say but not now.