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Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by ModestGal(f): 5:01am On Aug 06, 2020
ModestGal:
I created this thread due to a thread I read on first page about a girlfriend and her bf niece.

https://www.nairaland.com/6035210/cancelling-all-marriage-plans-because

First of all, I want to commend Anigreat for taking such action (not beating her that way), but for standing up for the weak. Many atimes we have men, friends, neighbours, family members who would watch and keep quiet when all these evil people maltreat their maids, or a relative living with them. If you keep quiet in situations of injustice and oppression, you have joined the oppressor in one way or the other.
Just like we watched the police officers there with Chauvin charged for watching murderer and not doing anything (George Floyd's case).

People watching evils being perpetrated beside them and keeping quiet are not too different from the perpetrators, they should all be charged to court and punished by law altogether. Personally, I hate these kind of people very much (especially men that watch their wives maltreat maids and relatives).

Going back to Anigreat case, the little girl would feel empowered seeing the action of her uncle, and the smile on her face ehn. That would really help her confidence in life and she would feel happy to pursue any dream of her choice. What you did has a long way of helping the little girl take right decisions in her life. But you need to tell and explain to her that your action was wrong, and that hitting another human being is wrong, tell her you will be going to psychologist to treat yourself so she would understand how bad it is to beat someone like you did. Then explain to her how much you love her that you won't even allow an insect to bite her.

Now, back to your evil girlfriend, she has no right whatsoever to send the girl any errand or to lay her evil hands on the innocent sweet girl;

1. She's a visitor, a visitor should be treated with respect and love.

2. She has no right to starve her or anyone, it confirms she's evil. Children should not be to tourtured with foods, its a stupid way of disciplining a child, it makes children to attach unnecessary importance to food and could either lead to anorexia nervosa or binge eating. Could lead to any of the psychological food problems. There are other healthy ways to discipline a child that doesn't involve damaging the child's mentally in any way.

3. The little girl is her ''mother in law'' as we call it in Yorubaland, and she deserves respect. Wives/girlfriend kneels for those people, while I do not agree with the kneeling and rubbish respect, we usually play with kids/children in our husband/boyfriends houses by calling them ''iya Oko'' and treating them like Queens. So for your useless girlfriend to have the audacity to disrespect her sister in-law, it means she's evil.

4. The girl is a teenager. Teenagers are people with unstable funny behaviour and as adults, we need to be extremely patient with them and guide them well, because at that stage, they form behaviours for thier adulthood

5. The girl is an Orphan for goodness sake, that should make a human being pity her and treat her with care, so she won't feel her parents absence, (even though many children who never had parents do not miss them, I'm sure your niece won't miss her parents because she never met them and she's staying with grandma who would have spoilt her), humans are defaulted to think otherwise and treat such people with care and fear that any bad treatment could remind them of their parents loss. But, unfortunately, your girlfriend is not one

6. She's a girlfriend not yet a wife and she's feeling herself this much.

7. The little teen, escaped her grandmother's errands to spend some time with you, in her mind, she wants to enjoy some freedom, she wants to take a break from her grandmother's calling her every 10minutes to do this and that, she has found an escape from all the house chores, she's happy there's Corona Holiday, she wants to come and enjoy with her uncle, she's already planning how she would gist her friends when she's back, and yet your evil girlfriend want to make her holiday boring with house chores.

Teens like her like making adult friends, and I'm sure she would have loved to be friends with your girlfriend if not that she's evil, and I'm sure she would turn that love for her to pure hatred (that's what teens do).

@Anigreat please get a new girlfriend that your niece would be able to gist with, and play with because thats what she came to do with you in Uyo, and who she would complain about her grandma to. That's what teens do, complain and complain, that's what makes them teens. And they are very prone to mistakes, they just need someone to understand them and someone they can trust. (Teens are so sweet when you listen to them)
Also, don't forget to take her out to see different places and always allow her to talk and express her feelings.

Finally, I created this thread to remind you not to ever take your girlfriend back, because some comments on the thread said, you will still take her back. Well, that is if everything you said is true, don't take that evil witch back no matter how much she begs you, but first, you need to apologize to her for the beatings, but please don't marry her, she would do worse when she becomes a wife. And also, tell her to go for a mental check up and treatment, so she doesn't spend the rest of her life in jail after abusing another person

@Anigreat

Lets stand up for the weak
Abuse is illegal

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Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by ModestGal(f): 5:03am On Aug 06, 2020
Stand up for the weak

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Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by shamsin6300(m): 6:37am On Aug 06, 2020
Uhmmmmm

I think he should, we are made to forgive each other, beside no one is perfect we all have our flaws. But he should caution her about such her actions, it's a very bad habit.
Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by GraGra247(m): 6:57am On Aug 06, 2020
ModestGal:
Stand up for the weak

Kudos cos you spoke my mind on this matter. The menace of domestic violence and battery on minors in homes is one that people do not take seriously because just about everyone does it.

I was disgusted by the recent video of a woman unleashing terror on her son while he begged her to "calm down".

People hailed the child as intelligent and nobody called out the woman for abuse and she wasn't arrested or questioned till date. In developed countries she would've lost custody of that child.

I have neighbors that always torment and maltreat their househelp and children on regular agonizing basis.

I couldn't report this to the landlord or anyone else cos it was obvious that all of them do it and even encourage each other to keep up with it because it's child training supposedly.

I can't go to the police because I would make my landlord and all my neighbors my very enemies and they will either gang up and kill me or even evict me(they're that powerful and connected).

Besides the police you report to is likely doing the same thing in their homes because most police officers are very brutal including in their homes.

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Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by reservd(m): 7:19am On Aug 06, 2020
shamsin6300:
Uhmmmmm

I think he should, we are made to forgive each other, beside no one is perfect we all have our flaws. But he should caution her about such her actions, it's a very bad habit.
Do you understand the meaning of red flags in a relationship? When you are in one, think with your head not your heart, the heart is senseless when it comes to relationships

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Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by austine4real(m): 7:20am On Aug 06, 2020
The onus lies on him
Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by Nobody: 7:24am On Aug 06, 2020
shamsin6300:
Uhmmmmm

I think he should, we are made to forgive each other, beside no one is perfect we all have our flaws. But he should caution her about such her actions, it's a very bad habit.
somethings are beyond flaws. No one's perfect, but her attitude was outright nasty. undecided
Only a fool would take her back with the mindset that she would change.

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Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by Alwaysachick: 7:27am On Aug 06, 2020
Both of them are abusers...i guess birds of a feather can flock together.
Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by PussyOdour(m): 7:32am On Aug 06, 2020
ModestGal:

Lets up for the weak
Abuse is illegal



Goodmorning ModestGal


He has seen your post and has read it word by word but unfortunately he couldn't reply as he was banned yesterday for bantering words with one dude in that same thread.


Seeing his action i can say he has made up is mind not to take the girlfriend in again.

We are leaving quite close, and he happened to be my hood buddy.

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Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by Ayemileto(m): 7:36am On Aug 06, 2020
Lol. shocked

1. They shouldn't even be living together, talkless of the Girlfriend doing all his house chores. The fact that the girlfriend have been doing all house chores before the niece comes around is a sign she's probably unproductive.

No productive lady will be living with a guy she's not married to and doing all his house chores for him.

The fact that she's unproductive can also be seen in the fact that she has lots of time in her hand to monitor the niece.


2. Just the way the girlfriend knocked his niece's head, he also beat up the girlfriend.

Like someone stated on that thread, there's a simple pattern here, the STRONG ALWAYS PREY ON THE WEAK!!!

He could have asked her to move out immediately, but he decided to beat her instead.

3. Contrary to that post where the OP said that all marriage plans were suspended, I'm 100 percent sure there was never a marriage plan at all. They are still in the BF/GF stage, Not fiancee, talkless of marriage.

There's even 50 percent chances the OP have never introduced the lady to his mother.

That OP only said he's suspending marriage plans, so it will look like he's a strong man.



4. That OP won't send that lady away. And you can deduce that in the sense that he hasn't sent her away when he made that thread. Instead he waited for hours, and then took her to a hospital for treatment.

By the time she gets fully healed (like that OP is waiting for), his anger would have cooled off, and he'll go and apologize to her instead of driving her out.

This is because:

1. it's less easier to drive her out when he's no longer angry.

2. He's feeling guilty and remorseful for beating her. While it's good to feel remorseful, it can be used against him. Because people with a soft heart are usually easily manipulated, and are often indecisive.

3. The only reason anyone will date an unproductive lady - like that OP is doing - is because of a unique character such 'lady" posses, that's difficult to find in most other ladies. One of this character, in that OP's case, is the lady acting more like his house help. Taking responsibility to do all house chores - which many ladies won't bother doing today.

And except he get another "slave" to take up those responsibilities, and fill up most of the gap the lady will be leaving, he won't have the balls to kick her out, and his attempts to do so will be half hearted.


Even if he drives her out, he will still take her back if she comes back begging, because he will miss his "'slave". Except, he gets another one.






Going back to Anigreat case, the little girl would feel empowered seeing the action of her uncle, and the smile on her face ehn. That would really help her confidence in life and she would feel happy to pursue any dream of her choice.

While the action will help her confidence, contrary to this statement, she won't use the confidence to pursue any dream of her choice.

Rather, she will get disrespectful and always look for trouble knowing fully well that her uncle will always beat up whoever touches her.

This can be seen quite well among little children, when a young child is fighting with someone older, and you beat the older one alone without scolding the younger one, the younger one will feel empowered and always look for trouble, knowing fully well that you'll always defend him.


It would have been better if that OP have driven the lady out immediately, but he beat her up in the presence of the Niece instead, and she witnessed everything and got a new found joy seeing her enemy get battered.


Just watch as she'll completely disregard any lady that becomes That Ops girlfriend.


To summarise the entire post, that OP made that post in order to look like a strong man, and many people fell for it.

But in the real sense, he's just like many other men.

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Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by Mandela27: 7:37am On Aug 06, 2020
Noooooo! NEVER TAKE HER BACK.
Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by SEGLIZ: 8:29am On Aug 06, 2020
ModestGal:
Stand up for the weak

#STANDUPFORTHEWEAK
#THEWEAKLIFEMATTERS
#STOPBEINGABULLY
Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by shamsin6300(m): 8:35am On Aug 06, 2020
reservd:

Do you understand the meaning of red flags in a relationship? When you are in one, think with your head not your heart, the heart is senseless when it comes to relationships


Emmm
Tnkx,,,,, I learn something from this.
Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by shamsin6300(m): 8:35am On Aug 06, 2020
Dew04:
somethings are beyond flaws. No one's perfect, but her attitude was outright nasty. undecided
Only a fool would take her back with the mindset that she would change.

cry
Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by SEGLIZ: 8:52am On Aug 06, 2020
reservd:

Do you understand the meaning of red flags in a relationship? When you are in one, think with your head not your heart, the heart is senseless when it comes to relationships

the heart is fast and sensible when it comes to relationships but senseless in decision making. the mind should be the decision maker, be loving, at the same time learn to avoid stories that touches the heart by using your mind to decide and not you heart. the heart is meant to love and not to decide.

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Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by ModestGal(f): 11:15am On Aug 06, 2020
Ayemileto:
Lol. shocked

1. They shouldn't even be living together, talkless of the Girlfriend doing all his house chores. The fact that the girlfriend have been doing all house chores before the niece comes around is a sign she's probably unproductive.

No productive lady will be living with a guy she's not married to and doing all his house chores for him.

The fact that she's unproductive can also be seen in the fact that she has lots of time in her hand to monitor the niece.


2. Just the way the girlfriend knocked his niece's head, he also beat up the girlfriend.

Like someone stated on that thread, there's a simple pattern here, the STRONG ALWAYS PREY ON THE WEAK!!!

He could have asked her to move out immediately, but he decided to beat her instead.

3. Contrary to that post where the OP said that all marriage plans were suspended, I'm 100 percent sure there was never a marriage plan at all. They are still in the BF/GF stage, Not fiancee, talkless of marriage.

There's even 50 percent chances the OP have never introduced the lady to his mother.

That OP only said he's suspending marriage plans, so it will look like he's a strong man.



4. That OP won't send that lady away. And you can deduce that in the sense that he hasn't sent her away when he made that thread. Instead he waited for hours, and then took her to a hospital for treatment.

By the time she gets fully healed (like that OP is waiting for), his anger would have cooled off, and he'll go and apologize to her instead of driving her out.

This is because:

1. it's less easier to drive her out when he's no longer angry.

2. He's feeling guilty and remorseful for beating her. While it's good to feel remorseful, it can be used against him. Because people with a soft heart are usually easily manipulated, and are often indecisive.

3. The only reason anyone will date an unproductive lady - like that OP is doing - is because of a unique character such 'lady" posses, that's difficult to find in most other ladies. One of this character, in that OP's case, is the lady acting more like his house help. Taking responsibility to do all house chores - which many ladies won't bother doing today.

And except he get another "slave" to take up those responsibilities, and fill up most of the gap the lady will be leaving, he won't have the balls to kick her out, and his attempts to do so will be half hearted.


Even if he drives her out, he will still take her back if she comes back begging, because he will miss his "'slave". Except, he gets another one.








While the action will help her confidence, contrary to this statement, she won't use the confidence to pursue any dream of her choice.

Rather, she will get disrespectful and always look for trouble knowing fully well that her uncle will always beat up whoever touches her.

This can be seen quite well among little children, when a young child is fighting with someone older, and you beat the older one alone without scolding the younger one, the younger one will feel empowered and always look for trouble, knowing fully well that you'll always defend him.


It would have been better if that OP have driven the lady out immediately, but he beat her up in the presence of the Niece instead, and she witnessed everything and got a new found joy seeing her enemy get battered.


Just watch as she'll completely disregard any lady that becomes That Ops girlfriend.


To summarise the entire post, that OP made that post in order to look like a strong man, and many people fell for it.

But in the real sense, he's just like many other men.
How many hours did it take you to finish this post?
Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by Ayemileto(m): 11:48am On Aug 06, 2020
ModestGal:

How many hours did it take you to finish this post?

You mean typing that kind of post will take you "hours"? shocked

So, how many hours did it take you to construct your opening post? shocked
Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by ModestGal(f): 12:22pm On Aug 06, 2020
Ayemileto:


You mean typing that kind of post will take you "hours"? shocked

So, how many hours did it take you to construct your opening post? shocked
Its somehow long ni, thats why I asked. Mine isn't long, you really took your time to write something extremely meaningful o
Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by ModestGal(f): 12:33pm On Aug 06, 2020
SEGLIZ:

#STANDUPFORTHEWEAK
#THEWEAKLIFEMATTERS
#STOPBEINGABULLY
Exactly bros
Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by Crownstar01: 12:37pm On Aug 06, 2020
The girlfriend should leave and never return because she's so arrogant and bossy.
Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by Martinez39s(m): 12:38pm On Aug 06, 2020
Alwaysachick:
Both of them are abusers...i guess birds of a feather can flock together.
The guy is not an abuser in any way. He warned his GF seriously to stop maltreating his niece but she didn't heed. He couldn't take it any longer and he gave her a taste of her own medicine.

In his niece's mind, he is a kind man who protected her from an abusive witch. If in future she should count those who were kind to her, she wouldn't forget her uncle. Many simps would have prioritise their abusive spouse, sent their poor niece packing, and foolishly retain their relationship with a toxic witch. After all, we have a lot of women and shameless manginas who in such situations always think the man is at fault for the abuse by letting his young relative(s) stay when he could send the relative(s) packing.

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Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by Ayemileto(m): 1:44pm On Aug 06, 2020
ModestGal:

Its somehow long ni, thats why I asked. Mine isn't long, you really took your time to write something extremely meaningful o

Lol. Yours was long as well grin
Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by Regex: 4:46pm On Aug 06, 2020
ModestGal:
Stand up for the weak

I am already on my feet for the abused. But that man should never take his fiancee back.

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Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by SEGLIZ: 5:10pm On Aug 06, 2020
ModestGal:

Exactly bros

it is so disheartening how the weaker one are being abused daily. husband and wife molesting the children their partners brought from their previous relationship.
relatives abusing dependant relatives taking refuge with as a result of one circumstance of the other. people molesting their maid or male servants.
my wife told me of a client she went to offer a service to at her resident three days ago. it is unworthy the way the woman and her children treated the little girl serving as their maid.
the daughter was busy using her mums laptop for her online class, when the mother demanded for the laptop as she was returning to work. the maid was ask to fetch the bag but could find, coming back to the girl saying 'you brought it out of the bag so you should know where you left.' she came after the maid hauling insult and curses, can't quote her but I remember my wife saying she used the word hopeless, useless.
she confirmed the mother attacking the girl in same manner. the said client got confused on which attire to use, the maid innocently suggesting to the woman on what might be the best outfit the event got attacked by the same daughter. she went as far as telling her mom to make sure deal with the maid on those happenings.
this is how evil and degraded our society has became.
Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by ModestGal(f): 6:48pm On Aug 06, 2020
SEGLIZ:

it is so disheartening how the weaker one are being abused daily. husband and wife molesting the children their partners brought from their previous relationship.
relatives abusing dependant relatives taking refuge with as a result of one circumstance of the other. people molesting their maid or male servants.
my wife told me of a client she went to offer a service to at her resident three days ago. it is unworthy the way the woman and her children treated the little girl serving as their maid.
the daughter was busy using her mums laptop for her online class, when the mother demanded for the laptop as she was returning to work. the maid was ask to fetch the bag but could find, coming back to the girl saying 'you brought it out of the bag so you should know where you left.' she came after the maid hauling insult and curses, can't quote her but I remember my wife saying she used the word hopeless, useless.
she confirmed the mother attacking the girl in same manner. the said client got confused on which attire to use, the maid innocently suggesting to the woman on what might be the best outfit the event got attacked by the same daughter. she went as far as telling her mom to make sure deal with the maid on those happenings.
this is how evil and degraded our society has became.
We live in a society that no one stands for the weak
Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by chinchonglee(m): 8:43pm On Aug 06, 2020
OP if u re really a girl den God bless you for speaking the truth...

U judged this matter from all perspective both moral, emotional and reality. U re priceless nt all dese rubbish feminist we ve here saying he has no right to touch a woman..

God bless you.. u re type a man shuld be looking to have in his life.
Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by chinchonglee(m): 8:51pm On Aug 06, 2020
Alwaysachick:
Both of them are abusers...i guess birds of a feather can flock together.
U re a fool

Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by chinchonglee(m): 8:53pm On Aug 06, 2020
PussyOdour:




Goodmorning ModestGal


He has seen your post and has read it word by word but unfortunately he couldn't reply as he was banned yesterday for bantering words with one dude in that same thread.


Seeing his action i can say he has made up is mind not to take the girlfriend in again.

We are leaving quite close, and he happened to be my hood buddy.
Tell that ur guy that he is a rare gem. I love his decision.
Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by chinchonglee(m): 8:57pm On Aug 06, 2020
Ayemileto:
Lol. shocked

1. They shouldn't even be living together, talkless of the Girlfriend doing all his house chores. The fact that the girlfriend have been doing all house chores before the niece comes around is a sign she's probably unproductive.

No productive lady will be living with a guy she's not married to and doing all his house chores for him.

The fact that she's unproductive can also be seen in the fact that she has lots of time in her hand to monitor the niece.


2. Just the way the girlfriend knocked his niece's head, he also beat up the girlfriend.

Like someone stated on that thread, there's a simple pattern here, the STRONG ALWAYS PREY ON THE WEAK!!!

He could have asked her to move out immediately, but he decided to beat her instead.

3. Contrary to that post where the OP said that all marriage plans were suspended, I'm 100 percent sure there was never a marriage plan at all. They are still in the BF/GF stage, Not fiancee, talkless of marriage.

There's even 50 percent chances the OP have never introduced the lady to his mother.

That OP only said he's suspending marriage plans, so it will look like he's a strong man.



4. That OP won't send that lady away. And you can deduce that in the sense that he hasn't sent her away when he made that thread. Instead he waited for hours, and then took her to a hospital for treatment.

By the time she gets fully healed (like that OP is waiting for), his anger would have cooled off, and he'll go and apologize to her instead of driving her out.

This is because:

1. it's less easier to drive her out when he's no longer angry.

2. He's feeling guilty and remorseful for beating her. While it's good to feel remorseful, it can be used against him. Because people with a soft heart are usually easily manipulated, and are often indecisive.

3. The only reason anyone will date an unproductive lady - like that OP is doing - is because of a unique character such 'lady" posses, that's difficult to find in most other ladies. One of this character, in that OP's case, is the lady acting more like his house help. Taking responsibility to do all house chores - which many ladies won't bother doing today.

And except he get another "slave" to take up those responsibilities, and fill up most of the gap the lady will be leaving, he won't have the balls to kick her out, and his attempts to do so will be half hearted.


Even if he drives her out, he will still take her back if she comes back begging, because he will miss his "'slave". Except, he gets another one.








While the action will help her confidence, contrary to this statement, she won't use the confidence to pursue any dream of her choice.

Rather, she will get disrespectful and always look for trouble knowing fully well that her uncle will always beat up whoever touches her.

This can be seen quite well among little children, when a young child is fighting with someone older, and you beat the older one alone without scolding the younger one, the younger one will feel empowered and always look for trouble, knowing fully well that you'll always defend him.


It would have been better if that OP have driven the lady out immediately, but he beat her up in the presence of the Niece instead, and she witnessed everything and got a new found joy seeing her enemy get battered.


Just watch as she'll completely disregard any lady that becomes That Ops girlfriend.


To summarise the entire post, that OP made that post in order to look like a strong man, and many people fell for it.

But in the real sense, he's just like many other men.
Stay in ur village and be making useless assumptions to make u look intelligent.

How did u come up with all ur useless conclusions. Big mouthed fool
Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by Ayemileto(m): 9:02pm On Aug 06, 2020
chinchonglee:

Stay in ur village and be making useless assumptions to make u look intelligent.

How did u come up with all ur useless conclusions. Big mouthed fool

I'm actually intelligent, and I'm not a fool as well.


Go and read the first thread created by the original author, then come here to dispute my points constructively.
Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by Alwaysachick: 9:17pm On Aug 06, 2020
chinchonglee:

U re a fool


I know the truth really hurts but it still remains the truth.

The man is no different from the lady. Beat a woman to a pulp because she told a little girl what to do?


I don't support child abuse or torture but the man would have just told her to leave his house since she will not listen to him.

He inflicted visible injuries, that is domestic violence. How did he even present his case at the hospital, and she is still in his house, some women nawa
Re: Should He Take Back His Girlfriend After Abusing His Niece? by chinchonglee(m): 9:19pm On Aug 06, 2020
Ayemileto:


I'm actually intelligent, and I'm not a fool as well.


Go and read the first thread created by the original author, then come here to dispute my points constructively.
U said many fallacies.

That she is the giy's girlfriend and not financee.
That the guy had not introduced himself to yhe family etc...

How did u arrive to dese conclusion Ur pastor or imam told you?

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