To who it May consign I have a few questions for you upfront.

(1) will this country (Nigeria) become” better “ within the next 100 years?

(2) have you lived a fulfilled life yourself on the earth ?

(3) have you achieved all your dreams and goals ?

(4) have you acquired enough “success” in life That you will rather not lose after death and want to pass on to your child or children to give them a head start in a capitalist world ?

(5) will our politicians lose their greed and love,support and protect Nigerians like their own beloved children?

(6) will the most popular / rewarding job in country changed from scamming people to legitimate jobs ?

(7) will there be less kidnappers in the country?

( will there be less prostitution?

(9) will be decent security in the country that will detour random killing of people by organ thieves? Ritualist? bandits? herdsmen?

(10) will our own soldiers and police officers stopped killing the people they swore to protect?

(11) will there be a justice system that works as intended to uphold basic human rights?

(12) will “holy men” stop acting out of their own selfish interests?

(13) will the Nigerian government have defeated the most damaging terrorist group to ever exist on earth (aka bokoharm ) in human death.

I can continue but I believe you get my point.

The world is a dangerous place filled with pain and suffering not to talk of been born in Africa let alone Nigeria.

So back to my original question .
why will any sane person want to have children in a country like this?

I am yet to hear a convincing case of why it is a good idea to bring new humans into this world just to suffer ,run this ending rat race and eventually die .

I am yet to hear an unselfish reason why bringing a new kid to this world that is a good idea for the kids and not for the parents.

Please for the sake of your unborn children please don’t pass on the unnecessary harm done to you by bringing kids to this country when it can be avoided.

#keepupng
#endchildabuse
#endneedlesssuffering
#antinatalism

Oya let’s hear hear from our people at home.

Deep but then, we can't stay childless.

honestly I don't wanna raise my kids in this God forsaken shit hole called Nigeria. reason why am not married yet until I travel out.

We can o. If we rise above our biological and social programing . Remember some people who have kids will die leaving young children orphans and they have to fend for themselves in a country like this. There are over 10 million orphans in this country alone. Parents don’t think they will ever die and yet some will die young and some by their own children hands directly or indirectly. We can’t stay childless is not a good enough reason to bring another human being in this world let alone this country.
I hope you will have a better answer when your child is old enough to understand how this world is so missed up. ( if you have one that is )

YellowDay:
Deep but then, we can't stay childless.

For a father it’s very expensive to raise a child in this country. I know of someone who sells phone cases and have 4 sons . Four male children in this country in 2020 ? Abeg I will let the harm unknowingly done to me end with me. If I have something that can be inherited I love to give to to my original family period.

Figger:
honestly I don't wanna raise my kids in this God forsaken shit hole called Nigeria. reason why am not married yet until I travel out.

What advice will u reachout to those who cannot afford to raise their kids abroad. you have a good message, does your opinion really count.
we have been living this way, we hope to improve beyond our standard, The undesirable situation in Nigeria wont stop us from raising our better kids n beyond the standard we were unable to attain.
let's stop putting and fishing blames to government, "work out your salvation yourself, stop waiting for government before u become a better person, you make government depend on you for helps". If we all are advice to run out of this country, who will build your fatherland or village, we grow by joining hands together and not criticism and blames.
LET A BETTER NIGERIA BEGINS FROM YOU, MAKE IT A DUTY TO RAISE YOUR KID IN WAYS THAT THEY WONT CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETAL PROBLEM.

If your parents were thinking this way, you won't be typing this today.

And why will that be a bad thing ? Please give me a reason

Oluromantic:
If your parents were thinking this way, you won't be typing this today.

grim33:
And why will that be a bad thing ? Please give me a reason

you sound like a mistake

Go to where you want to go and have your children.

grim33:
And why will that be a bad thing ? Please give me a reason

There were challenges around them too at that time, though it may not be exactly same with what you listed, but if they gave in to those challenges, they too would have considered having you as insane

Anti-natalist.

That's what you are.

Quick one OP : Do you value the gift of life?

Oluromantic:

There were challenges around them too at that time, though it may not be exactly same with what you listed, but if they gave in to those challenges, they too would have considered having you as insane

I think you don't seem to get the OP's message.

He's basically saying the state of unconsciousness (not living) is better than this rat chase disguise as life. He means that he'd rather be where he was in 1525 than being on earth.

You get the drift?

I’m not blaming government here . You almost sound like a parent who doesn’t really know why they have their kids and seek justification like “undesirable situation won’t stop us from raising our kids better and beyond “ even tho it’s in abject poverty. Do the right thing . Kids that don’t exist don’t need your help they are not missing out on anything. Children don’t Owe parents anything in my opinion. Parents have children for selfish reason , the ability to own another human being for a few years, and more popular fear of ending up alone. A very selfish self centered reason.
And just so you know . It doesn’t matter how you raise your kids they will do harm to others or and have others do harm to them.
#100%fact
#endneedlesssuffering

Ugaboy:
What advice will reachout to those who cannot afford to raise their kids abroad. you have a good message, does your opinion really count.
we have been living this way, we hope to improve beyond our standard, The undesirable situation in Nigeria wont stop us from raising our kids better kids n beyond the standard we were unable to attain.
let stop putting and fishing blames to government, "work out your salvation". If we all are advice to run out of this country, who will build your father, we grow by joining hands together and not criticism and blames.
LET A BETTER NIGERIA BEGINS FROM YOU, MAKE IT A DUTY TO RAISE YOUR KID IN WAYS THAT THEY WONT CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETAL PROBLEM.

So are you. You’re just too blind to see it.

Ugaboy:
you sound like a mistake

And they will have been right.

Oluromantic:

There were challenges around them too at that time, though it may not be exactly same with what you listed, but if they gave in to those challenges, they too would have considered having you as insane

Yes value life I don’t know if I’ll call it a gift tho ...

DontBullshitMe:
Anti-natalist.

That's what you are.

Quick one OP : Do you value the gift of life?

grim33:
So are you. You’re just too blind to see it.

you are wrong, i just understand that life is a bed of many roses, but not every one that will lie on it.
MA LO RO PE, IWO NI KAN LOMA LOWO...MA LO RO PE GBOGBO WEY GO MAKE THIS MONEY
We all want a better life, some of us will have it, not all of us will have the opportunity till death seperate us from the living.
alway make sure you try doing something.

grim33:
Yes value life I don’t know if I’ll call it a gift tho ...

Okay.

Given a choice at this moment : Will you choose to continue living or go back to wherever you were in 1426?

If only you can see ... you think money is success right? Do you know how much Steve Jobs get ? He got sick became very thin and died.
Do small research billionaire children have committed suscide. Money is not everything and it is nothing at the ground scheme of things. So you were born into the world to suffer and run after money every day of your life until you grow old if you’re Lucky , then fall sick and die . It’s sad that you don’t even realize why that is all unnecessary.

Ugaboy:
you are wrong, i just understand that life is a bed of many roses, but not every one that will lie on it.
MA LO RO PE, IWO NI KAN LOMA LOPE...MA LO RO PE GBOGBO WEY GO MAKE THIS MONEY
We all want a better life, some of us will have it, not all of us will have the opportunity till death seperate us from the living.
alway make sure you try doing something.

grim33:
I’m not blaming government here. Do the right thing. Kids that don’t exist don’t need your help they are not missing out on anything. Children don’t Owe parents anything in my opinion. Parents have children for selfish reason , the ability to own another human being for a few years, and more popular fear of ending up alone. A very selfish self centered reason.

op, are you telling me that out of selfish reason your parent own you?
are saying for parent bring you to the world, they owe u no responsibility?
and are you also saying that your kid will also owe you no responsibility for being a parent?
you are phylosophically bugging your head with wrong postulate from saddist. Stop feeding yourself with wrong information, it will mal and jeopadize your physc and put into object depression.

Well if you’re asking me what I’ll pick given the option to stay alive or die. I’ll chose to stay alive because life is all I’ve ever known and I’m afraid of death like everybody else.

But If your question is that would I pick in continue to life and non existent? I will have pick non existent 100%

DontBullshitMe:

Okay.

Given a choice at this moment : Will you choose to continue living or go back to wherever you were in 1426?

grim33:
If only you can see ... you think money is success right? Do you know how much Steve Jobs get ? He got sick became very thin and died.
Do small research billionaire children have committed suscide. Money is not everything and it is nothing at the ground scheme of things. So you were born into the world to suffer and run after money every day of your life until you grow old if you’re Lucky , then fall sick and die . It’s sad that you don’t even realize why that is all unnecessary.

ok, After knowing all this why the thread...i think there is logical error between you and your sanity

grim33:
Well if you’re asking me what I’ll pick given the option be to stay alive or die. I’ll chose to stay alive because life is all I’ve ever known and I’m afraid of death like everybody else.

But If your question is that would I pick in continue to life and non existent? I will have pick non existent 100%

I like your thought process.

We can safely assume that you have no plans to procreate?

Sorry for my intrusion. What's your age range like ? 20 - 25, 26 - 30, 31 - 35 , 36 - 40??

Have you shared this your decision with any of your relatives ? What was their reactions?

I still have numerous questions to ask. Are you comfortable providing answers to them?

Here we go again bla bla bla . As a parent if you’re telling me your suffered because of me , I’ll tell you I had zero say on the matter . You choose to bring me to this world. You brought the suffering on yourself so I owe you nothing. . You will not have needed to suffer if you never had me. So if you born a child blind the child should be thankful to you for the “gift of life “? Huh

For the love of God I hope you’re not a parent because of this petty reasons .
I pity some children for this abuse.

Stop bringing children to HELL .
Stop being selfish.

Ugaboy:
op, are you telling me that out of selfish reason your parent own you?
are saying for parent bring you to the world, they owe u no responsibility?
and are you also saying that your kid will also owe you no responsibility for being a parent?
you are phylosophically bugging your head with wrong postulate from saddist. Stop feeding yourself with wrong information, it will mal and jeopadize your physc and put into object depression.

We can safely assume that you have no plans to procreate? Yes 100%

31 - 35

Have you shared this your decision with any of your relatives ? Yes

What was their reactions? My mum lost her shit

They keep say he will grow out of it , I just look and lol and say ok.

My dad haven’t heard about my feelings on been a parent. I’m sure he’s gonna lose his shit too lol.

Ask your questions I’ll answer keep it coming.

DontBullshitMe:

I like your thought process.

We can safely assume that you have no plans to procreate?

Sorry for my intrusion. What's your age range like ? 20 - 25, 26 - 30, 31 - 35 , 36 - 40??

Have you shared this your decision with any of your relatives ? What was their reactions?

I still have numerous questions to ask. Are you comfortable providing answers to them?

Ugaboy:
ok, After knowing all this why the thread...i think there is logical error between you and your sanity

Lol. This are some people children... teenage highway robbers. Who is to blame here ? I like your jab it made me laugh. Thank you keep them coming as long as you put forth a compelling argument.

grim33:
We can safely assume that you have no plans to procreate? Yes 100%

31 - 35

Have you shared this your decision with any of your relatives ? Yes

What was their reactions? My mum lost her shit

They keep say he will grow out of it , I just look and lol and say ok.

My dad haven’t heard about my feelings on been a parent. I’m sure he’s gonna lose his shit too lol.

Ask your questions I’ll answer keep it coming.

Now that procreation is a no no. How do you intend to cater for your sexual needs going forward? 1) Marriage (with clear understanding of no offspring) or 2) occasional sexual flings?

The 1) might be hard to achieve as most ladies (that I personally know) look forward to having their own biological child(ren). So how do you reconcile your decision and your spouse wish?

The 2) is a bit risky : STD here and there and you might not be able to play 100% safe as most of these women can even deliberately pin pregnancy on you.

Resolve this part before I proceed with my next question.

I appreciate you taking your time to answer my questions.

grim33:
Here we go again bla bla bla . As a parent if you’re telling me your suffered because of me . You choose to bring me to this world.So if you born a child blind the child should be thankful to you for the “gift of life “? Huh

For the love of God I hope you’re not a parent because of this petty reasons .
I pity some children for this abuse.

Stop bringing children to HELL .
Stop being selfish.

sorry sir, i dont mean to say this to a fellow man like me, i will spill as if im choked, stop justifying impotency if you are one...adopt a child, unicef can provide u quality child from their joint NG0, you will grow old and you will need a responsible child who can take care of your old age also whom you can trust your property on.
dont let ignorance rub you from seeing the light . I know how dark it is to u.
"mottor me okuk ikomo owo papa ameyong"..."ikpong idehe owo"
if you hav a child stop giving us wrong insight.

Now that our eyes has fully been opened and well known to some hidden things
Giving birth to children in this shithole is just like 1000 ways to die

Lol . Right now condom is my best friend. As I see too many ladies desperate for marriage and I know their popular way of trapping men with pregnancy.

Most women understandably are pre programs to want kids even tho it’s the complete destruction of their pussy and body. they say the pain is worth after birth, that can be explained as the release of dopamine in their brain and they convince themselves its a gift even tho from that day they’ve lost their freedom and suffer endlessly by try to keep the baby alive until they die.

I intend to remain intact until I’ve clearly started my feelings to my dad then I’m going to get sterilized and never have to worry about pulling out again for fear of pregnancy

I will get married eventually but it will be to a woman who doesn’t want kids too.

I will marry a woman for who she is not what she can produce for me, which is not what many men can say.

I’m a male antinataliat and will find a female antinatalist. They’re very rare but yes they exist even in this country.

Keep it coming man . I don’t mind at all.

DontBullshitMe:

Now that procreation is a no no. How do you intend to cater for your sexual needs going forward? 1) Marriage (with clear understanding of no offspring) or 2) occasional sexual flings?

The 1) might be hard to achieve as most ladies (that I personally know) look forward to having their own biological child(ren). So how do you reconcile your decision and your spouse wish?

The 2) is a bit risky : STD here and there and you might not be able to play 100% safe as most of these women can even deliberately pin pregnancy on you.

Resolve this part before I proceed with my next question.

I appreciate you taking your time to answer my questions.