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Speaking of dishonesty, Empiree, can you see how your Muslim brother, stalwert, is a shill for APC?

Is it now Islamic for a Muslim to support a corrupt regime? Stalwert is supporting all the nonsense from Buhari's government.

See life.

AbdulSleeky:
You first picked on churches and I balanced the equation with mosques.

Dont be dishonest

and if the note had emphasized many mosques would you have criticized churches?

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3119537138124603&id=100002050435697

Empiree:
and if the note had emphasized many mosques would you have criticized churches?

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3119537138124603&id=100002050435697

of course. i am not a christian.

AbdulSleeky:
of course. i am not a christian.

liar. You are undercover christheist

Empiree:
liar. You are undercover christheist

Lol.......I am not a christian.

Still blaming muslims for pedophilia?. "Pedophiles are human beings too. They have rights just like gay people"

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=736026333874443&id=100024012499367


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNr3yhjQPI8

Empiree:
Still blaming muslims for pedophilia?. "Pedophiles are human beings too. They have rights just like gay people"

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=736026333874443&id=100024012499367

Fake news. Which scholars are saying that?

AbdulSleeky:
Fake news. Which scholars are saying that?

ask them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PeyaZk17Gc&pp=wgIECgIIAQ%3D%3D

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AbdulSleeky:
Speaking of dishonesty, Empiree, can you see how your Muslim brother, stalwert, is a shill for APC?

Is it now Islamic for a Muslim to support a corrupt regime? Stalwert is supporting all the nonsense from Buhari's government.

See life.

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After the motley of medications you took to avoid answering the simple question I posed previously thus making you repeat communism like a broken record don't tell me this is all Whitelotus-logicboy could muster? Even by Earth's standards this is pathetic.

Communist sociopaths everywhere

Stalwert:
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After the motley of medications you took to avoid answering the simple question I posed previously thus making you repeat communism like a broken record don't tell me this is all Whitelotus-logicboy could muster? Even by Earth's standards this is pathetic.

Communist sociopaths everywhere

Communists hate islam. Just look at China and see how communists are arresting muslims, shaving their beards and shipping them off to camps.

If you think every atheist that argues against religion online is a communist, then your ignorance is astounding. I would advice you to read well.

This really needs to stop.

Let's entertain and say that blasphemy was really a heinous crime as bad a killing someone and he broke the law of the land.
Was it necessary to burn he's family's house what was there part in his conscience actions, was it part of the sentence passed by the judge?

https://www.nairaland.com/6045398/yahaya-aminu-sharif-sentenced-death

This kind of stuff just serves to confirm the negative view of Muslims held by the world.

So what he sang blasphemy? Would it really affect a God, didn't the Arabs that later converted say worse to Muhammad's face, did it leave a scar?

This is the equivalent of killing a dog because it barked at you.

IMAliyu:
This really needs to stop.

Let's entertain and say that blasphemy was really a heinous crime as bad a killing someone and he broke the law of the land.
Was it necessary to burn he's family's house what was there part in his conscience actions, was it part of the sentence passed by the judge?

https://www.nairaland.com/6045398/yahaya-aminu-sharif-sentenced-death

This kind of stuff just serves to confirm the negative view of Muslims held by the world.

So what he sang blasphemy? Would it really affect a God, didn't the Arabs that later converted say worse to Muhammad's face, did it leave a scar?

This is the equivalent of killing a dog because it barked at you.

My friend, is doesn't leave any scar. Time has changed. There is what they called "freedom of speech" today which gives everyone to say anything to anyone without regards for feelings of others. Authority has the right to pass law and enforce it. It has little to do with islam in itself but to create harmony in community. Ask yourself why they have law to persecute anyone whoever denies holocaust?. Go to Germany and deny Holocaust and you see what happens to you. You will lose your job. You will lose your freedom. You will have your life threatened. So in order not to have anarchy whereby average citizens dont care to take law into their hands, it is better for authority to persecute. I dont care what christians and atheists think. They are hypocrites. Dont christians have blasphemy law in their own bible?, Sincerely speaking i dont know much about this case but it is what it is. Why are they only interested in insult and blaspheming others?. Dont they have better things to do?. Just bcuz Nabi (SAW) himself did not persecute doesn't mean authority today can't.

Quran doesn't specifically speak of punishment for drug traffickers or drug abusers. But many countries have law against it. Why did US send Loon to a decade behind bar?. Which religious guide they used?. It is because they know drug trafficking is evil to the society and they sent the guy t jail. So bcus neither bible nor Quran speaks about it means they should let drug traffickers go scot free?. Abeg, if you blaspheme religious figures you must face consequences of the law. Pure and simple. Why are they the ones attacking islamic figure?. You dont see muslims do that to them. Dont they have moral conduct?. Quran say

Obey Allah. Obery messenger and those in authority which means authority have level of right to pass law for safety of the society.

IMAliyu:
This really needs to stop.

Let's entertain and say that blasphemy was really a heinous crime as bad a killing someone and he broke the law of the land.
Was it necessary to burn he's family's house what was there part in his conscience actions, was it part of the sentence passed by the judge?

https://www.nairaland.com/6045398/yahaya-aminu-sharif-sentenced-death

This kind of stuff just serves to confirm the negative view of Muslims held by the world.

So what he sang blasphemy? Would it really affect a God, didn't the Arabs that later converted say worse to Muhammad's face, did it leave a scar?

This is the equivalent of killing a dog because it barked at you.

You are wasting your time. Muslims like Empiree, Lanrexlan, Stalwert and Sino all support blasphemy laws.

They dont care about non muslims, especially those who are brave enough to criticise islam. If you criticise islam, you should be punished or killed.

Do you see them commenting on the blasphemy case? Never.

But when China does the same to muslims, they will be complaining.

Empiree even has the nerve to complain that Christians are bullying muslims in Migeria because of secondary school hijab and Christian programs. HOW CAN A NORMAL PERSON COMPARE BANNING HIJAB TO LOSS OF LIFE? THEY ARE ON VERY DIFFERENT SCALES.

As far as I'm concerned, majority of the regular muslim commenters here in nairaland are uneducated bigots. It is only a few moderates that are reasonable and I respect them.

Let me make it clear- IF YOU ARE A MUSLIM KEEPING QUIET ABOUT THE BLASPHEMY CASES IN NIGERIA OR YOU ARE DIRECTLY SUPPORTING THE PUNISHMENT OR DEATH SENTENCE OF NON-MUSLIMS FOR BLASPHEMY, YOU ARE A FANATICAL EXTREMIST. YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT FROM THOSE IN CHINA WHO MALTREAT AND ARREST MUSLIMS FOR PRACTICING THEIR FAITH.

This whole thing is a disgrace.

Your are a disgrace to atheist community

AbdulSleeky:
You are wasting your time. Muslims like Emp.iree, Lan.rexlan, Stalw.ert and S.ino all support blasphemy laws.

They dont care about non muslims, especially those who are brave enough to criticise islam. If you criticise islam, you should be punished or killed.

Do you see them commenting on the blasphemy case? Never.

But when China does the same to muslims, they will be complaining.

Empiree even has the nerve to complain that Christians are bullying muslims in Migeria because of secondary school hijab and Christian programs. HOW CAN A NORMAL PERSON COMPARE BANNING HIJAB TO LOSS OF LIFE? THEY ARE ON VERY DIFFERENT SCALES.

As far as I'm concerned, majority of the regular muslim commenters here in nairaland are uneducated bigots. It is only a few moderates that are reasonable and I respect them.

Let me make it clear- IF YOU ARE A MUSLIM KEEPING QUIET ABOUT THE BLASPHEMY CASES IN NIGERIA OR YOU ARE DIRECTLY SUPPORTING THE PUNISHMENT OR DEATH SENTENCE OF NON-MUSLIMS FOR BLASPHEMY, YOU ARE A FANATICAL EXTREMIST. YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT FROM THOSE IN CHINA WHO MALTREAT AND ARREST MUSLIMS FOR PRACTICING THEIR FAITH.

This whole thing is a disgrace.

Empiree:
Your are a disgrace to atheist community

Thank you for the insult. I have never advocated to limits the rights of any person whether they are muslim, christian or pagan. Unlike you, who believes that criticism of islam is an insult that has to be punished.

IMAliyu, can you see your muslim brother? He is supporting the death sentence so that no one can insult islam. What an animal.


Just look at the picture he posted below! Pay attention to the last sentence; "INSULTING RELIGIOUS FIGURES IS TANTAMOUNT TO CIVIL UNREST IN A COMMUNITY".

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12106050_screenshot202008110620552_png3b621943200ebbe205b9f4e940ce1df0

Can everyone see? Some muslims are just an embarrassment to other muslims. We have very few moderates here. Too many are like Empiree who have fanatic views


How can an educated muslim support this statement- "INSULTING RELIGIOUS FIGURES IS TANTAMOUNT TO CIVIL UNREST IN A COMMUNITY".

Is that not admitting that muslims are violent (as they will cause CIVIL UNREST) whenever religious figures are insulted?


We truly need more moderate muslims. These fanatics are an embarrassment!

How did insult you?. Did you skip your comment where you said the same thing to me?. I simply reciprocated your gestures.

I said "religious figures". Does that limits it to Islam only?. Listen, I support punishment for insulting religious figures 100%. It doesn't have to be death sentence. That's choice of govt. It can be jail, community service etc. What people don't understand is that judgement like this is meant to regulate or coordinate society. What if angry people have lynched the guy?. He would be dead long ago. But his case went through judicial process which means there is still possibility of having his judgement vacated if people would plea to the govt and not challenge the judgement.

Challenging this judgement is not helping the guy at all. You only provoke govt by that. So govt has the right to pass and enforce law. I support this. This has nothing to do with religion itself. It is govt decision.

If they born you well, go to Germany and tell them openly that you don't believe in holocaust. If you are a CEO or own your company or if you are govt employee, I can guarantee you that you will lose your job, your freedom and you will be jailed. It is illegal in Germany to deny Holocaust. So question is, don't people have free speech to deny Holocaust if they don't believe it?.

Also, entire Nigeria and Nigerians are full of HYPOCRISY. There is nothing like "Nigeria is a secular country". This is a joke. I am telling you now that Nigeria is not a secular country. It seems people don't know the meaning of secularism.

It means to take God out of your public life. This is very simple definition. Now, in Nigeria do you take God out of your public life?. Public life by definition is activities outside of your home. But in Nigeria, you pray in the morning at school. You pray at work. You have opening prayers before events. You have opening prayers at govt offices. A man wanted to pay his electric bill on January 2nd this year in Lagos. Upon getting there, he found employees outside praying (Christians ofcourse). They delayed him for 30 mins. After that they told him that they are just getting started. They prayed for another 1hr and this guy was getting angry already.

Remember this is a govt office, NEPA. I won't even support Muslims should do that. Work is work. It should have absolutely nothing to do with religion. But these people kept the man waiting for hrs until he called their headquarters in Marina. He was told that every govt office is on prayer session for New Year. Abeg, prayers on January 1st no reach God?. Why prayers during business hours to infringe other people's right?.

You are all deceiving yourselves by saying Nigeria is a secular country. It is not. And they are full of double standards. They prayed and delayed customers from paying their electric bill but they would deny Muslim students from wearing hijab to school yet, they claim Nigeria is a secular country.

So, I am sorry, I support this judgement.

Whether it is harsh or not is another topic of debate. Afterall it is not a law in our religion of Islam. Death punishment for blasphemy is found in the Bible. We only help them enforce it.

AbdulSleeky:
Thank you for the insult. I have never advocated to limits the rights of any person whether they are muslim, christian or pagan. Unlike you, who believes that criticism of islam is an insult that has to be punished.

IMAliyu, can you see your muslim brother? He is supporting the death sentence so that no one can insult islam. What an animal.


Just look at the picture he posted below! Pay attention to the last sentence; "INSULTING RELIGIOUS FIGURES IS TANTAMOUNT TO CIVIL UNREST IN A COMMUNITY".

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[quote author=AbdulSleeky post=92698819]Thank you for the insult. I have never advocated to limits the rights of any person whether they are muslim, christian or pagan. Unlike you, who believes that criticism of islam is an insult that has to be punished.

IMAliyu, can you see your muslim brother? He is supporting the death sentence so that no one can insult islam. What an animal.


Just look at the picture he posted below! Pay attention to the last sentence; "INSULTING RELIGIOUS FIGURES IS TANTAMOUNT TO CIVIL UNREST IN A COMMUNITY".

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12106050_screenshot202008110620552_png3b

This is your opinion and it is irrelevant. What do you nigerians do to thieves when they are caught?.

What do you Nigerians do to a man caught in hotel with another's wife?

What do you nigerians do to alleged witches?

You lynch these people without judicial process. Now who's more violent?. Who's more barbaric?. This case of blasphemer was handled by govt not the people. Govt has the right to do and undo. So who's more violent?

AbdulSleeky:
Can everyone see? Some muslims are just an embarrassment to other muslims. We have very few moderates here. Too many are like Emp.iree who have fanatic views


How can an educated muslim support this statement- "INSULTING RELIGIOUS FIGURES IS TANTAMOUNT TO CIVIL UNREST IN A COMMUNITY".

Is that not admitting that muslims are violent (as they will cause CIVIL UNREST) whenever religious figures are insulted?


We truly need more moderate muslims. These fanatics are an embarrassment!

Empiree:
How did insult you?. Did you skip your comment where you said the same thing to me?. I simply reciprocated your gestures.

I said "religious figures". Does that limits it to Islam only?. Listen, I support punishment for insulting religious figures 100%. It doesn't have to be death sentence. That's choice of govt. It can be jail, community service etc. What people don't understand is that judgement like this is meant to regulate or coordinate society. What if angry people have lynched the guy?. He would be dead long ago. But his case went through judicial process which means there is still possibility of having his judgement vacated if people would plea to the govt and not challenge the judgement.

Challenging this judgement is not helping the guy at all. You only provoke govt by that. So govt has the right to pass and enforce law. I support this. This has nothing to do with religion itself. It is govt decision.

If they born you well, go to Germany and tell them openly that you don't believe in holocaust. If you are a CEO or own your company or if you are govt employee, I can guarantee you that you will lose your job, your freedom and you will be jailed. It is illegal in Germany to deny Holocaust. So question is, don't people have free speech to deny Holocaust if they don't believe it?.

Also, entire Nigeria and Nigerians are full of HYPOCRISY. There is nothing like "Nigeria is a secular country". This is a joke. I am telling you now that Nigeria is not a secular country. It seems people don't know the meaning of secularism.

It means to take God out of your public life. This is very simple definition. Now, in Nigeria do you take God out of your public life?. Public life by definition is activities outside of your home. But in Nigeria, you pray in the morning at school. You pray at work. You have opening prayers before events. You have opening prayers at govt offices. A man wanted to pay his electric bill on January 2nd this year in Lagos. Upon getting there, he found employees outside praying (Christians ofcourse). They delayed him for 30 mins. After that they told him that they are just getting started. They prayed for another 1hr and this guy was getting angry already.

Remember this is a govt office, NEPA. I won't even support Muslims should do that. Work is work. It should have absolutely nothing to do with religion. But these people kept the man waiting for hrs until he called their headquarters in Marina. He was told that every govt office is on prayer session for New Year. Abeg, prayers on January 1st no reach God?. Why prayers during business hours to infringe other people's right?.

You are all deceiving yourselves by saying Nigeria is a secular country. It is not. And they are full of double standards. They prayed and delayed customers from paying their electric bill but they would deny Muslim students from wearing hijab to school yet, they claim Nigeria is a secular country.

So, I am sorry, I support this judgement.

Whether it is harsh or not is another topic of debate. Afterall it is not a law in our religion of Islam. Death punishment for blasphemy is found in the Bible. We only help them enforce it.

You support the punishment for criticising the dead men and spirits that you call "religious figures"? And you wonder why I see you as a fanatic?

So if I said that prophet Mohammed was a hypocrite, I should be locked up? Do you see how much of a barbaric fanatic you are?

ANIMAL

Empiree:
This is your opinion and it is irrelevant. What do you nigerians do to thieves when they are caught?.

What do you Nigerians do to a man caught in hotel with another's wife?

What do you nigerians do to alleged witches?

You lynch these people without judicial process. Now who's more violent?. Who's more barbaric?. This case of blasphemer was handled by govt not the people. Govt has the right to do and undo. So who's more violent?

Those are poverty-stricken illiterates. You will never see such in places in Lagos like Lekki, GRA, VI etc. Also, do two wrongs make a right? Are you dense?

Have you ever seen any educated christian or atheist in Nigeria kill in the name of religion? Have you seen Pastors Adeboye, TB Joshua or anyone from the Nigerian Atheist Society call for the arrest or death of anyone on blasphemy charges?

Yet, we have both educated and non-educated muslims calling for blood and serious punishment for blasphemy.

This is a disgrace.

Even MURIC are now under investigation for being terrorists.

What a disgrace.

Hypocrite ni e. You are treating personality but I am treating society. You have no point. Say something else

AbdulSleeky:


Those are poverty-stricken illiterates. You will never see such in places in Lagos like Lekki, GRA, VI etc. Also, do two wrongs make a right? Are you dense?

Have you ever seen any educated christian or atheist in Nigeria kill in the name of religion? Have you seen Pastors Adeboye, TB Joshua or anyone from the Nigerian Atheist Society call for the arrest or death of anyone on blasphemy charges?

Yet, we have both educated and non-educated muslims calling for blood and serious punishment for blasphemy.

This is a disgrace.

Even MURIC are now under investigation for being terrorists.

What a disgrace.

It is obvious you have nothing to say. I have quoted Bible verse to back my position. Why did you turn blind eyes?. If that was Qur'an quotation you would repost it.

How about German law of 5yrs in prison for denying Holocaust?. Holocaust people are dead and their spirit are dead too. Why are they still trying to defend them?.


So do you support 5yrs sentence for denying Holocaust?. All these lynchings are very rampant in Nigeria across-the-board. There is no need to screen region or profile. Every Nigerian is a potential lyncher. Pastors are demigods who decides who's a witch and should be strip naked.

AbdulSleeky:
You support the punishment for criticising the dead men and spirits that you call "religious figures"? And you wonder why I see you as a fanatic?

So if I said that prophet Mohammed was a hypocrite, I should be locked up? Do you see how much of a barbaric fanatic you are?

ANIMAL

Empiree, I won't bother to reply you on this issue. At least, you have made your fanaticism clear.


I cannot say the same for those muslim cowards who cannot come here and address the issue because they know they support the injustice.

(Much respect to moderate muslims like imaliyu and co who spoke the truth on the nonsense blasphemy ruling)

Ogbeni, whatever you said is irrelevant. It is the law. If the law was wrong, federal govt would have kicked against it since it inception in 1999. So why are you making silly noise online as if you care about the accused?. I don't care what imaaliyu or whatever anyone says. It is the law. Simple.

I told you about German law regarding holocaust. Did you raise eyebrows?. Does the penalty makes sense to your?. Why only Islam that you guys have problems with?.

Regardless of what you guys said the law was passed and judgement was handed down and there is nothing you can do about it. And just because he's sentenced to death doesn't mean it will be carried out. He has the right to appeal as stated in the verdict. What you guys are doing is not helping the guy. You should rather appeal to govt instead of forming Van Dam on the internet.

And finally, Sharia court only applies to Muslims. If a non-muslim is involved in a crime he or she is given right to choose be two Sharia law or common law. So please stop wasting your damn time criticizing the verdict. Law is law.

If you commit crime in Western world you do not have luxury to have influential people to appeal in your behalf. Law is law. Why do you respect common law but reject this?. Don't we have the right to deny Holocaust the same way they have right to reject Islam?. Why must I be sentenced to 5yrs in jail for rejecting holocaust?. You need to answer this question, hypocrites.

AbdulSleeky:
Empiree, I won't bother to reply you on this issue. At least, you have made your fanaticism clear.


I cannot say the same for those muslim cowards who cannot come here and address the issue because they know they support the injustice.

(Much respect to moderate muslims like imaliyu and co who spoke the truth on the nonsense blasphemy ruling)

For those supporting the death sentence for criticising islam, I have the pic below for you-

AbdulSleeky:
For those supporting the death sentence for criticising islam, I have the pic below for you-

Is Albert God?. Texas has death penalty. What do you say about that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWir3Bjt_X8

Empiree:
Is Albert God?. Texas has death penalty. What do you say about that?

1. Two wrongs dont make a right.

2. The uk and many European countries dont have death penalty.

3. You are a morally bankrupt person that cannot defend your religion without bashing others.

AbdulSleeky:
1. Two wrongs dont make a right.

2. The uk and many European countries dont have death penalty.

30 States in US has death penalty till day. Two wrongs dont make a right, abi?. UK's death penalty recently abolished in 2008. So leave Kano legal system alone to run its course. Belarus, a country in EU still has death penalty.

3. You are a morally bankrupt person that cannot defend your religion without bashing others.

This is not about religion. This is about Kano state law. If 30 US states have death penalty and no one criticizes them, why would you criticize Kano's death penalty?. It is Kano's pena code not Sharia law.

Empiree:
30 States in US has death penalty till day. Two wrongs dont make a right, abi?. UK's death penalty recently abolished in 2008. So leave Kano legal system alone to run its course. Belarus, a country in EU still has death penalty.


This is not about religion. This is about Kano state law. If 30 US states have death penalty and no one criticizes them, why would you criticize Kano's death penalty?. It is Kano's pena code not Sharia law.

The idiocy in your post is that you cannot see the difference between

1. Secular states having death penalty for heinous crimes such as murder and treason.

2. Islamic states having death penalty just because someone compared his imam to Mohammed.

AbdulSleeky:
The idiocy in your post is that you cannot see the difference between

1. Secular states having death penalty for heinous crimes such as murder and treason.

2. Islamic states having death penalty just because someone compared his imam to Mohammed.

even if Muslim country passes death sentence for treason you'd still complain