@Raymondfayowole
You like going in circles.
How can you say the law of Moses was added so that the Israelites wouldn't be breaking the ten commandments?
Is that not contradicting the verse you quoted the last time (Gal. 3:19), that the law (what you termed common law) was added because of transgression?
Is sin not the transgression of the law- 1 John 3:4 (the ten commandments)?
the ordinances was added because they were breaking the moral law, not to prevent them from breaking it.
That's why I said, the ordinances serve as remedies for sin (breaking the 10 commandments).
If you fornicate for instance, you've broken the ten commandments. To atone for your sin, you have to refer to the ordinances for the necessary sacrifice.
Now that we are in the era of grace, we only need to turn to Jesus because he has paid the full sacrifice.

As a Christian, you're a sinner if you break any of the commandments written on stones, but you're not required to be circumcised, abstain from eating certain foods or meats.

@Raymondfayowole

I didn't need to mention Col. 2:17.
The main issue here is, what are the shadows of things to come? Ordinances! What laws are part of these ordinances? I believe, with the preceding verses, they are laws that pertain to what you can eat, drink, touch (Col. 2:20). The law that required you to be circumcised. The law that required you to make animal sacrifices for the forgiveness of your sins. The law that required you to observe the annual sabbaths. The Sabbath, the 4th commandments, is never a part of these ordinances.
Jesus kept the Sabbath, Paul kept it (the records are all over the book of Acts).
How does resting on God's prescribed day have anything to do with not touching, not tasting, or not handling (Col. 2:20-21).
If it's still wrong to kill, serve other gods, how is it right to change the sabbath to sunday?
I'll take you seriously if you can prove to me you can make heaven by just calling Jesus and at the same time, breaking the ten commandments

DeOTR:
@Raymondfayowole

I didn't need to mention Col. 2:17.
The main issue here is, what are the shadows of things to come? Ordinances! What laws are part of these ordinances? I believe, with the preceding verses, they are laws that pertain to what you can eat, drink, touch (Col. 2:20). The law that required you to be circumcised. The law that required you to make animal sacrifices for the forgiveness of your sins. The law that required you to observe the annual sabbaths. The Sabbath, the 4th commandments, is never a part of these ordinances.

Argue with bible passages and not your opinion. I will still bring out the same bible passage for you.

Colossians 2:16-17
v16. So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
v.17. which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

I told u earlier, the law is the law. You can't decide to follow one and neglect another. You don't get to choose to follow 10 commandments and ignore the rest, that's a curse on you.

Deuteronomy 28:1,15
[1]“Now it shall come to pass, if you diligently obey the voice of the Lord your God, to observe carefully all His commandments which I command you today, that the Lord your God will set you high above all nations of the earth.
[15]“But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the Lord your God, to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:

It was the same curse paul was referring to in Galatians 3:10

[10]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

I told you matt 5:17...all of the law has been fulfilled.

Argue with bible passages and not your personal opinion.

DeOTR:

Jesus kept the Sabbath, Paul kept it (the records are all over the book of Acts).
How does resting on God's prescribed day have anything to do with not touching, not tasting, or not handling (Col. 2:20-21).
If it's still wrong to kill, serve other gods, how is it right to change the sabbath to sunday?
I'll take you seriously if you can prove to me you can make heaven by just calling Jesus and at the same time, breaking the ten commandments

Yes I agree Jesus and Paul kept Sabath and they did so for a reason. Let me explain that to you.

It would be blasphemous for Jesus to come and start preaching against the law of moses because it was also the law of God. ( if you don't knw this, google about this and make your research why it's also called law of moses). The law was established for a purpose...and when that purpose has been accomplished what then is the usefulness. Read the whole of matt 12 and see how Jesus Christ condemned the law of sabbath.

Paul on the other hand preached on sabbath day based on missionary work considering the number of crowd he will see on sabbath day. Read the whole of Acts 13. But I will bring out some verse for you.

Acts 13:44-45
[44]On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
[45]But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul.

The purpose of the law from onset was to bring the to christ and christ death on the cross fulfilled the law. Ask me why Christians are to worship on the first day of the week and I'll gladly answer you.

DeOTR:
@Raymondfayowole
You like going in circles.
How can you say the law of Moses was added so that the Israelites wouldn't be breaking the ten commandments?
Is that not contradicting the verse you quoted the last time (Gal. 3:19), that the law (what you termed common law) was added because of transgression?
Is sin not the transgression of the law- 1 John 3:4 (the ten commandments)?
the ordinances was added because they were breaking the moral law, not to prevent them from breaking it.
That's why I said, the ordinances serve as remedies for sin (breaking the 10 commandments).
If you fornicate for instance, you've broken the ten commandments. To atone for your sin, you have to refer to the ordinances for the necessary sacrifice.
Now that we are in the era of grace, we only need to turn to Jesus because he has paid the full sacrifice.

As a Christian, you're a sinner if you break any of the commandments written on stones, but you're not required to be circumcised, abstain from eating certain foods or meats.

Please quote the post again, so I'll explain whatever is there for you. So you added ten commandments to your 1john 3:4.

If you want to practice ten commandments nobody is against you. You are free to do so..but there's a curse for those that practice part of the law and neglect some.

Deuteronomy 28:1,15
[1]“Now it shall come to pass, if you diligently obey the voice of the Lord your God, to observe carefully all His commandments which I command you today, that the Lord your God will set you high above all nations of the earth.
[15]“But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the Lord your God, to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:


Read my earlier post for more concerning that.

Raymondfayowole
So you added ten commandments to your 1 John 3:4?

If you have another commandment you think he's referring, let us know.
1 John 2:4 "He that says, I know him, and keep not his commandments, is a liar, and truth is not in him".
Verse 7: "Brethren, I wrote no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning".

I told you Matt. 5:17:"...all of the law has been fulfilled.
Argue with Bible passage and not your personal opinion

Matt. 5:17 "Think not that I am come to DESTROY the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to FULFILL".

1. Define DESTROY according to the verse?
2. What's your definition of the word FULFILL according to the Bible?

Matt. 12, Jesus condemned the law

How? For allowing his hungry disciples to pluck the ears of corn to eat or for healing on the sabbath?
Why shouldn't one do what's absolutely necessary on the sabbath?

Raymondfayowole

The law was established for a purpose...and when that purpose has been accomplished, what then is the usefulness?

Since you think the ten commandments is part of the useless laws that should be discarded, please do me a favor, list out the contents of the ten commandments. For the sake of people like us who don't read the Bible.

Paul preached on sabbath day based on missionary work.

Take your own advice, use Bible verses to support your assumptions, not your personal opinion.
Acts 13:42 "...the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath".
This was a perfect situation for Paul to tell those Gentiles to just come on sunday if he keeps sabbath on the first day now.
We found no record of a single Apostle holding church service on the first day, none at all.
If Jesus and the Apostles kept the sabbath, in whose foot step are you treading, doing otherwise?

DeOTR:

Since you think the ten commandments is part of the useless laws that should be discarded, please do me a favor, list out the contents of the ten commandments. For the sake of people like us who don't read the Bible.

Lol...there's no need typing d contents of ten commandments for you. I only told you that the law was to served a particular purpose and I'll bring it back again if you fail to comprehend.

Galatians 3:19,24-25
[19]What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.
[24]Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[25]But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. Sons and Heirs

Argue with bible passages. Read and comprehend.

DeOTR:

Take your own advice, use Bible verses to support your assumptions, not your personal opinion.
Acts 13:42 "...the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath".
This was a perfect situation for Paul to tell those Gentiles to just come on sunday if he keeps sabbath on the first day now.

Sabbath day and first day of the week are 2 different days. I'm really shocked u dont knw this...u still need to read the bible very well. And if you think a physical structure is the church...I'll consider all this argument as a waste of time.

All church should be in the marketplace and evryday thing according to acts 17:17. Because that's what you're saying since he preached on sabbath.

I told you he was on missionary duty, he knew the Jews would be there, and he used that opportunity to teach them about Jesus.

Note the clear warning from paul as why the law could not serve as a basis for their salvation. Ga 5:4; Ro 3:28 and the Jews died to the Law the moment they became Christians. Ro 7:4-7

It just saddens my heart becos u dont read these bible passages. It is clearly stated...its not compulsory u understand A level English to comprehend it.

DeOTR:

We found no record of a single Apostle holding church service on the first day, none at all.
If Jesus and the Apostles kept the sabbath, in whose foot step are you treading, doing otherwise?

I'll repeat the same tin again. Don't think the church is a physical building.

The Law of Moses was still in effect prior to the death of Christ. As an Israelite, Jesus kept the Law (along with the Sabbath). He displayed authority to forgive sin and interpret the Law. Mt 9:6; 12:8

So I follow the footsteps of Jesus Christ becos he has all the authority to interpret the Law. Matt 12:8

DeOTR:

If you have another commandment you think he's referring, let us know.
1 John 2:4 "He that says, I know him, and keep not his commandments, is a liar, and truth is not in him".
Verse 7: "Brethren, I wrote no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning".

So y didn't u continue to verse 8

I John 2:8
[8]Again, a new commandment I write to you, which thing is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining.

Read your bible very well.

DeOTR:

Matt. 5:17 "Think not that I am come to DESTROY the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to FULFILL".

1. Define DESTROY according to the verse?
2. What's your definition of the word FULFILL according to the Bible?

How? For allowing his hungry disciples to pluck the ears of corn to eat or for healing on the sabbath?
Why shouldn't one do what's absolutely necessary on the sabbath?

Hahahaha....seems you don't know anything about the law of sabbath..if you do, you wont type this.

You just shot ursef multiple times. Jesus can't destroy the law becos it's also the law of God. He came to fulfil it, I.e to accomplish the purpose of the law. I wont type the purpose of the law again...read my previous post. And u failed to quote v18 of matt 5....it says all, nt even the smallest letter of the law will b left out.

Let me bring out the law of sabbath for u...

Exodus 31:15
[15]Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Like I said before, the law is the law...u cant practice the part that favors u and leave the rest. That's a curse. So u asked how Jesus condemned the law...and that's how.

Read your bible very well.

@Raymondfayowole
1 John 2: Up till verse 7, John was talking about keeping a commandment and he made it clear in verse 7 that they're not different from the ones of old. How does verse 8 change the facts in the previous verses?

Matt. 5:17-18: You need to answer my questions. I'll post it again.
1. Define "DESTROY", and...
2. Define "FULFILL" according to Matt. 5:17.
3. Explain what Jesus meant in verse 19?

Ten commandments: I want you to list them out. Let's see the laws you said have served their purposes. Is that too much to ask?

Paul and sabbath: In Acts 13:42, those who asked Paul to teach them next sabbath are Gentiles, not Jews.
Since, according to you, church is an everyday thing, why didn't Paul simply invite them to his sunday service to hear the words again? At least, his audience were Gentiles right?

You claim to follow the steps of Jesus. Jesus kept the sabbath, you don't.
How does Jesus being the Lord of the sabbath interprete to mean his followers don't have to keep it?

DeOTR:
@Raymondfayowole
1 John 2: Up till verse 7, John was talking about keeping a commandment and he made it clear in verse 7 that they're not different from the ones of old. How does verse 8 change the facts in the previous verses?

My problem here is u fail to read and comprehend. Stop being myopic and open your mind.

1 John 2:3-6, talks about the fellowship with Jesus Christ. v6. And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. You agree with me that the word in bold was referring to Jesus Christ right?

If we continue down to v7, John continues to discuss one commandment in particular, "An Old, Yet New Commandment". He does not write about something totally new to them, but something they had heard "from the beginning" i.e Was given to your fathers at the first forming of the covenant- Leviticus 19:18 and also from the beginning of the gospel- Matt 5:43.

If we then proceed to v8 and 9, we see that it is a new commandment in the sense that, it is ever fresh; though old in time, it is never stale because It is a commandment that is ever true in Jesus, and it is true in His disciples. It is both true and new because "the darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining". With the coming of the Messiah (Jesus), light has begun to penetrate the darkness. Isa 9:2; Mt 4:13-17; Jn 1:4-9; 8:12

IT IS THE COMMAND TO "LOVE ONE ANOTHER and NOT the 10 commandments. verses 9-11 tells us that and It is stated clearly in 1Jn 3:11; 4:21. This command was "from the beginning" (of the gospel) -Jn 13:34-34; 15:12,17.

Please quote my post with bible passages stating otherwise. I dare you to, if you're so sure the command was referring to 10 commandments. Pls give me bible passage. I'm waiting ooo

DeOTR:

Matt. 5:17-18: You need to answer my questions. I'll post it again.
1. Define "DESTROY", and...
2. Define "FULFILL" according to Matt. 5:17.
3. Explain what Jesus meant in verse 19?

Ok. I'll grant you your wish since you fail to comprehend.

1. Destroy in that context: To abrogate; to deny their divine authority; to set people free from the obligation to obey them.

2. Fulfill according to Matt 5:17: To complete the design; to fill up what was predicted; to accomplish what was intended in them.

3. v19. continues that "Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

What he meant was simple- HIS COMMANDMENTS. I.e the commandments they were hearing from him. That's why he went further to explain that if you want to be a citizen of the kingdom of heaven, your righteousness must exceed that of the scribes and pharisees, because they were known to say and not practice the law. They were teachers of the law but fail to practice it.

That clearly explains that the least in the kingdom are those that breaks these commandments and teaches men so, but the great are those that practice and teaches them.

DeOTR:

Ten commandments: I want you to list them out. Let's see the laws you said have served their purposes. Is that too much to ask?

Paul and sabbath: In Acts 13:42, those who asked Paul to teach them next sabbath are Gentiles, not Jews.
Since, according to you, church is an everyday thing, why didn't Paul simply invite them to his sunday service to hear the words again? At least, his audience were Gentiles right?

Listing out the Ten commandment is not the problem here, which you know. I'll gladly list the ten commandments for you if you list all the laws of the old testament. You're just being myopic and that's the truth. I explained the 2 first and great commandments, are found in matt 22:36-40. It still goes back to tackle your point in 1jn 2:7 claiming that the bible passage was referring to 10 commandments. u can clearly see u're a baby in the word of God, u still have a lot of reading to do. The law has served it purpose and all the law has been summarized to 2 things which I wont go back to again, hence LOVE is the fulfilling of the law.

Don't get me wrong, you can go back and read my post. I did not say church is a evryday thing. I only said if Paul preached evryday and in the market place, then the church shuld be in the market place and b a evryday thing since you said Paul preached on Sabbath day. I told you he was on missionary duty and he also utilized the Sabbath during his evangelistic efforts. He knew the Jews would be there, and he sought to teach them about Jesus.

I'll repeat myself again, the Jews died to the Law when they became Christians. Ro 7:4-7 and the Law and ordinances like the Sabbath and circumcision should not be bound on others, especially Gentiles. Col 2:16-17; Ga 5:1-4.

DeOTR:

You claim to follow the steps of Jesus. Jesus kept the sabbath, you don't.
How does Jesus being the Lord of the sabbath interprete to mean his followers don't have to keep it?

For a fun fact, which I know you dont know, All the commands regarding the Sabbath are directed toward Israel, no other nation. The exception was "the stranger" in Exo 20:10. The exception was to prevent being influenced to disobey Neh 13:15-21.

Sabbath day and the law surrounding it was a sign between God and His people, Israel - Exo 31:13,16-17; Eze 20:12,20 Just like circumcision, the Sabbath served as a sign between God and Israel. There is no indication that the Sabbath was intended for all of mankind. Show me the bble passage and I'll take you serious.

@Raymondfayowole

If there's anyone with comprehension issue here, it's you.
Here's 1 John 2:3-6 in layman's language:
"You know Jesus only if you keep His commandments.
You're a liar if you claim to know Him and keep not His commandments.
If you abide in Him, you'll walk as He walked".

Does Jesus have a different commandment from that of His Father?
So the new commandment in 1 John 2 is about love, not about the ten commandments? And Jesus already gave the command in Matt. 22:37-40, to love?
I guess you missed the part where the Pharisees were asking the greatest of the commandments, before He summarised the ten commandments for them in two simple sentences (Love God and your neighbor)?
I will prove to you why Jesus' command to love one another refers to the part of the ten commandments that deals with our relationships with fellow men, only when you find the courage to list out the ten commandments.

Raymondfayowole
DESTROY:
*Abrogate.
*Deny divine authority.
*Set people free from obeying them.

FULFILL:
*Complete the design.
*Fill up what was predicted.
*Accomplish.

That was your definition of "destroy" and "fulfill" according to Matt. 5:17.

Matt. 5:17 (KJV): "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill"

If we substitute destroy and fulfill with your definitions above, we get..."Think not that I am come to 'set people free from obeying' the law, or the prophets; I am not come to 'set people free from obeying them', but to 'complete the design'."

Now tell me you're not contradicting yourself, if you say this verse means, Christians are free to disobey the same law Jesus said He had not come to set people free from obeying?

Well, verse 19 speaks for itself. Even a mentally slow person should know Jesus is warning people from breaking the law in verse 17 and teaching men so.

DeOTR:

That was your definition of "destroy" and "fulfill" according to Matt. 5:17.

Matt. 5:17 (KJV): "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill"

If we substitute destroy and fulfill with your definitions above, we get..."Think not that I am come to 'set people free from obeying' the law, or the prophets; I am not come to 'set people free from obeying them', but to 'complete the design'."

Now tell me you're not contradicting yourself, if you say this verse means, Christians are free to disobey the same law Jesus said He had not come to set people free from obeying?

Well, verse 19 speaks for itself. Even a mentally slow person should know Jesus is warning people from breaking the law in verse 17 and teaching men so.

Contradicting myself? Or you don't know what you're typing. I've explained to u that Jesus can't destroy the law becos it's also the law of God. But he came to complete or accomplish what it was meant for, which you also agreed on when you substituted the definition.

If anyone is saying something different here, you're the one cos I also explained the purpose of the law to u and I never told u Christians r free to disobey any law. My argument here is that all of the old law is not binding on Christians anymore.

We have a new promise which is different from the old, we have a better convenant.

Let me ask a simple question, if v19 is also referring to v17, so tell me where will u put the "new design"?

He also came to fill up what was predicted, where will you put what he came to accomplish?

Becos it seems you're just throwing everything away to fit your point, but it doesn't work that way. Please answer my questions with bible passages. I need bible passages telling me that Jesus asked us to leave the "new design" and continue with the old one. If you want me to continue this wit u, pls give me bible passages.

DeOTR:
@Raymondfayowole

If there's anyone with comprehension issue here, it's you.
Here's 1 John 2:3-6 in layman's language:
"You know Jesus only if you keep His commandments.
You're a liar if you claim to know Him and keep not His commandments.
If you abide in Him, you'll walk as He walked".

Does Jesus have a different commandment from that of His Father?
So the new commandment in 1 John 2 is about love, not about the ten commandments? And Jesus already gave the command in Matt. 22:37-40, to love?
I guess you missed the part where the Pharisees were asking the greatest of the commandments, before He summarised the ten commandments for them in two simple sentences (Love God and your neighbor)?
I will prove to you why Jesus' command to love one another refers to the part of the ten commandments that deals with our relationships with fellow men, only when you find the courage to list out the ten commandments.

It's clearly stated in the bible for crying out loud.
1Jn 3:11; 4:21

I John 3:11
For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another,

The pharisee asked, which is the great commandment in the law and Jesus replied

Matthew 22:37-39
V37. Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
V38. This is the first and great commandment.
V39. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’

If we continue to v 40:
[40]On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Show me bible passages where the word in bold: "all" refers to only 10 commandments.

If you're ready to list all the commandments of the old testament still binding on Christians today, I'll gladly write out the 10 commandments for you

Please quote me next time with bible passages and not your personal opinion.

DeOTR:
Does Jesus have a different commandment from that of His Father?

If you say all commandments are still same, then his death is nothing to you and Christians should still be killing animals for remission of sins. I feel like m arguing with someone wit a very low IQ.

Hebrews 7:11-12
[11]Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?
[12]For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

Like I said earlier, argue wit bible passages and not ur personal opinion. Quote me with bible passage telling me we are still under the old law. I dare you to

Raymondfayowole
If you say all commandments are the same, then his death is nothing to you and Christians should still be killing animals for remission of sin.

So where did I ever write all commandments are the same? Or did you ever read me advocating for ceremonial and sacrificial laws?
I've made it clear I'm talking about the ten commandments.
It's you who believe they're all the same.
Here are your posts to confirm in case you have short memory

Aug 2, 1:17am
All the laws are equal as part of Israel's covenant with God.

Aug 2, 2:26am
I told you earlier, the law is the law. You can't decide to follow one and neglect another. You don't get to choose to follow ten commandments and ignore the rest, that's a curse on you

Those are your own words.
So in your wisdom, I should not only neglect the ceremonial/sacrificial laws, also the ten commandments.
I know blood sacrifices, priesthood, and food laws have ceased.
Ten commandments are eternal. They're written on stones

Raymondfayowole
...if you are ready to list all the commandments of the old testament still binding on Christians today, I'll gladly write out the 10 commandment for you

I never told you all the commandments of the old testament are still binding on Christians.
What I've been saying is that, all the ten commandments, being the moral law of God is still binding on everyone that's called by God's name.
So now you know the laws I believe should still be obeyed. Can you now please list out the ten commandments and show me how any part of it is irrelevant to Christians today?

I never told you Christians are free to disobey any law. My argument here is that all of the old law are not binding on Christians anymore

What did you smoke when you said this?

Aug 2, 2:49pm
If you want to practice the ten commandments nobody is against you. You are free to do so, but there's a curse for those that practice part of the law and neglect some

You're encouraging disobedience to God.

Raymondfayowole
I've explained to you that Jesus can't destroy the law because it's also the law of God

What exactly did you mean when you said this...?

Saying something does not mean "it's stopped" is like saying I promised you something and I fulfilled my promise but you're still saying there's still agreement between us

So you believe Jesus fulfilling the law and the prophets means it has stopped.
So you saying Jesus can't destroy the law of God and at the same time thinks fulfilling the law means the law has stopped is contradictory. According to you understanding, Matt. 5:17 would read "Think not that I am come to destroy the law and the prophets: I am not come to destroy the law but to STOP the law".
It's still the same thing as destroying the law. This is obviously not so and so neither are the ten commandments abolished.

Raymondfayowole

Show of Bible passage where the word in bold: "all" refers to only 10 commandment

Matt. 22:37, "...thou shall love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind."

Jesus is directly referencing Deut. 6:5, "And thou shall love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." The opening verses of Deut 6 is about God's commandments. Which commandments? They're the ten commandments. See Deut 5:6-21.
Matt 22:39, "..., thou shall love your neighbor as thy self."

Again, Jesus is referencing Lev. 19:18, "...,and thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the Lord."
Why would Jesus be quoting from a scriptures talking specifically about the ten commandments if "all" the commandments is not referring to the ten commandments?
Or is the ten commandments not all about the love for God and man?
Please list the ten commandments and point to the one not hanging on loving God and loving fellow men. I'm waiting!

If Matt 5:19 is also referring to Matt 5:17, so tell me where will you put the "new design"?

Where did you see new design in that chapter?
In verse 17, he says, he hasn't come to destroy the law but to give full meaning to the law and magnify it.
In verse 19, he clearly says we should not only obey the law, but also teach it. Is it not clear enough that the law Jesus was talking about in verse 19 same as the law he said he never came to abolish in verse 17. Even basic grammer should tell you that.
The new design -whatever that means- doesn't change the fact that Jesus didn't abolish any law and fulfilling it doesn't imply his followers don't have to obey it.
Jesus fulfilled the law by magnifying it as prophesied in Isa. 42:21, "The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake, he will MAGNIFY the law and make it honorable."

DeOTR:

So where did I ever write all commandments are the same? Or did you ever read me advocating for ceremonial and sacrificial laws?
I've made it clear I'm talking about the ten commandments.
It's you who believe they're all the same.
Here are your posts to confirm in case you have short memory

Lol..I asked u to quote me next time with bible passages of anytin u r trying to defend, u ignored my message. It shows u dont know anytin in the bible. If you're so sure of ur point, give me bible passage and expose ursef.

So u asked a question, "Does Jesus have a different commandment from that of His Father?" In case u forgot, u can go back to ur post, aug 7, 6:09pm. (U can tank me later for that). I answered by asking a simple and logical question: "If you say all commandments are still same, then his death is nothing to you and Christians should still be killing animals for remission of sins."

So I'll break it down for u becos i knw u r baby and dont knw anytin in the bible.

Hebrews 7:11-12.

v12. For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

Please give me bible passage stating the change is only ceremonial law. I'll appreciate if u can do that.

DeOTR:

Those are your own words.
So in your wisdom, I should not only neglect the ceremonial/sacrificial laws, also the ten commandments.
I know blood sacrifices, priesthood, and food laws have ceased.
Ten commandments are eternal. They're written on stones

I showed u bible passages stating all the law have been fulfilled. Pls show me where ceremonial law is no longer binding but 10 commandments.

Secondly, u said "ten commandments are eternal because they're written on stones." Continue exposing ursef.

Laws written on stones and Laws written on hearts which one do u think is more fulfilled? I will give u d bible passage again in case u forgot:

Jer 31:31-34
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Pls, study the words in bold before u quote and expose ursef nxt tym.

And if u quote me and start explaining that so i am free to kill or steal. I told u if u love ur God wit all ur heart, soul, strength and mind, and if u love ur neighbor as u love ursef. U wont do any of those listed in the 10 commandments. Heb 8:7-13 explains y we are no longer under d old covenant.

I still stand on my word that "All the laws are equal as part of Israel's covenant with God." If we relate the sabbath to the 10 commandments:

- The Sabbath was first commanded to Israel in the Wilderness. Exo 16:23-30
- It had previously been unknown to them - Neh 9:14
- It was then codified in the Ten Commandments -Exo 20:8-1, as part of the Covenant not given to the patriarchs, but to Israel - Deut 5:2-3
- The Sabbath was not commanded by God until the time of Moses

DeOTR:

I never told you all the commandments of the old testament are still binding on Christians.
What I've been saying is that, all the ten commandments, being the moral law of God is still binding on everyone that's called by God's name.
So now you know the laws I believe should still be obeyed. Can you now please list out the ten commandments and show me how any part of it is irrelevant to Christians today?

If you're sayin "all the ten commandments, being the moral law of God is still binding on everyone that's called by God's name." I'm telling u that all laws under the Mosaic covenant are not binding on Christians today. I've showed different bible passages stating it clearly. I'll appreciate if you can give me bible passages to defend ur point. Bible passages stating clearly that 10 commandments are still binding on christains 2day. Pls give me...I'm begging u

DeOTR:

What did you smoke when you said this?

I smoked the word of God....

I'll repeat myself, all laws under the Mosaic covenant are not binding on Christians today.

DeOTR:

You're encouraging disobedience to God.

Nahh..d bible clearly states it. If you want to keep laws under the Mosaic covenant...it will be good u keep everything, becos neglecting some will bring curse upon ursef.

Deut 28:1,15

“And if you faithfully obey the voice of the Lord your God, being careful to do all his commandments that I command you today, the Lord your God will set you high above all the nations of the earth.
“But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord your God or be careful to do all his commandments and his statutes that I command you today, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.

So u r free to follow the old law but make sure u follow all the commandments.

I can also translate everything up there to your local language for better understanding oo....Seems the english is too much here.

DeOTR:

What exactly did you mean when you said this...?

Picture this scenario, Jesus Christ comes and start preaching against the former law and asking people not to follow the law. He cant do that becos the law is also the law of God and I explained that the law was initially added for a reason. Pls read my previous post for more info. But I will refresh ur memory becos i knw m wit a child here.

Gal 3:19, 24-25
Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator.
So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

DeOTR:

So you believe Jesus fulfilling the law and the prophets means it has stopped.
So you saying Jesus can't destroy the law of God and at the same time thinks fulfilling the law means the law has stopped is contradictory. According to you understanding, Matt. 5:17 would read "Think not that I am come to destroy the law and the prophets: I am not come to destroy the law but to STOP the law".
It's still the same thing as destroying the law. This is obviously not so and so neither are the ten commandments abolished.

OBVIOUSLY , becos we are not under the old law, we now have a better promise, a new covenant.

He came to fulfill the promise of the law. Heb 8:13 tells us what the first law is becoming:
"By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear."

Rom 15:4 gives us a warning about things written before. We are not meant to follow the law but to learn from it:

"Such things were written in the Scriptures long ago to teach us. And the Scriptures give us hope and encouragement as we wait patiently for God’s promises to be fulfilled."

Pls quote me wit bible passages for any of ur point. I want u to expose ursef d more.....

DeOTR:

Where did you see new design in that chapter?
In verse 17, he says, he hasn't come to destroy the law but to give full meaning to the law and magnify it.
In verse 19, he clearly says we should not only obey the law, but also teach it. Is it not clear enough that the law Jesus was talking about in verse 19 same as the law he said he never came to abolish in verse 17. Even basic grammer should tell you that.
The new design -whatever that means- doesn't change the fact that Jesus didn't abolish any law and fulfilling it doesn't imply his followers don't have to obey it.
Jesus fulfilled the law by magnifying it as prophesied in Isa. 42:21, "The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake, he will MAGNIFY the law and make it honorable."

Just keep on shooting ursef...u asked for the definition of the word "fulfill" in matt 5:17 , I gave u d definition and u substituted the definition. Let me bring it back for u in case u forgot. Aug 07, 7:38 ( u can tank me later for this also )

DeOTR:
"If we substitute destroy and fulfill with your definitions above, we get..."Think not that I am come to 'set people free from obeying' the law, or the prophets; I am not come to 'set people free from obeying them', but to 'complete the design'."

I then asked a simple question, where will u put the new design according the definition?

U're now sayin "In verse 17, he says, he hasn't come to destroy the law but to give full meaning to the law and magnify it."

Which i totally agree wit u, becos I knw u dont knw u just shot ursef. Check the words in bold

But to give full meaning---it means u agree the first law was not full or incomplete. Then after he completed the law, he then did what:
magnify it---Do u need me to define the word "magnify" for u?


I explained v19 was clearly talkin abt HIS COMMANDMENTS. The law he came to complete and not the incomplete law....u see the logic here?

That's why our righteousness must exceed that of scribes and pharisees. V20

Quote me wit bible passages, pls

DeOTR:

Matt. 22:37, "...thou shall love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind."

Jesus is directly referencing Deut. 6:5, "And thou shall love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." The opening verses of Deut 6 is about God's commandments. Which commandments? They're the ten commandments. See Deut 5:6-21.
Matt 22:39, "..., thou shall love your neighbor as thy self."

Again, Jesus is referencing Lev. 19:18, "...,and thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the Lord."
Why would Jesus be quoting from a scriptures talking specifically about the ten commandments if "all" the commandments is not referring to the ten commandments?
Or is the ten commandments not all about the love for God and man?
Please list the ten commandments and point to the one not hanging on loving God and loving fellow men. I'm waiting!

I will still repeat myself, 1 John 2:3-6, talks about the fellowship with Jesus Christ. It is a new commandment, though old in time. In the sense that the love practiced in the old was limited to the Jews nation. You will never see a Jews show love to a Gentile. Is that the kind of love u r preaching? For example: Deut 30:7--The Lord your God will put all these curses on your enemies who hate and persecute you.

Jesus commanded us to show love to our enemies, feed them and even pray for them. You will never see this in the old. That's y i said LOVE is the fulfilling of the law and this type of love is different from that of the old.

This new commandment is ever true in Jesus, and it is true in His disciples. It is both true and new because "the darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining". With the coming of the Messiah (Jesus), light has begun to penetrate the darkness. Isa 9:2; Mt 4:13-17; Jn 1:4-9; 8:12.

Pls quote me with bible passages for any point u r tying to make.

@Raymondfayowole
According to your deluded mind, magnifying the law or completing its design means, it's been stopped?
If you were Jesus (thank God you're not), this is how you'll sound in Matt 5:17, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets: I am not come to destroy the law but to stop it".
Let me expose you a little. There are many verses in the bible with the word translated as fulfill in that verse 17. Matt 3:15 is one of them; "...it becomes us to fulfill (complete) all righteousness."
So in your warped mind, Jesus and John stopped righteousness right there by fulfilling it? How do you explain Matt 3:15 with your 5:17 logic Mr. Bible expert?
Please list the ten commandments and explain how loving God and your neighbor nullify any of the commandments?

Count the question marks in this post and answer them in short sentences. Your bible verses didn't answer my questions. You were only running around like an headless fowl.

Time to rest and meditate on God's word!

DeOTR:
@Raymondfayowole
According to your deluded mind, magnifying the law or completing its design means, it's been stopped?
If you were Jesus (thank God you're not), this is how you'll sound in Matt 5:17, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets: I am not come to destroy the law but to stop it".
Let me expose you a little. There are many verses in the bible with the word translated as fulfill in that verse 17. Matt 3:15 is one of them; "...it becomes us to fulfill (complete) all righteousness."
So in your warped mind, Jesus and John stopped righteousness right there by fulfilling it? How do you explain Matt 3:15 with your 5:17 logic Mr. Bible expert?
Please list the ten commandments and explain how loving God and your neighbor nullify any of the commandments?

Count the question marks in this post and answer them in short sentences. Your bible verses didn't answer my questions. You were only running around like an headless fowl.

First, I dont claim I know evrytin. I'm also tryin to learn frm u dats y I'm doin this with u.

Secondly, I only quoted wat u typed and dont change or twist it. I asked u to quote me with bible passage clearly stating why v19 of Matt 5 is not referring to law he came to complete or fulfill nd u gave matt 3:15. (I laff in Latin)

On Matt 3:15-- Simply put it that it's God's will for Jesus to be baptized by John. They will be "fulfilling all righteousness" in the sense of doing what God wants—of doing the right thing. In other words, Jesus may have been saying to John, "We're going to do this because it's what God wants us to do."

Let's go back to ur word in Matt 5:17-- "but to give full meaning to the law and magnify it."

Do u agree there's now a full and complete law? Ans this simple question

@Raymondfayowole
So you want me to give you a Bible verse to make you believe the law in Matt. 5:19 refers to the same law mentioned just two verses behind? Seriously? This isn't even an object of debate.
Jesus was assurring us in verse 17 that he has not come to destroy the law, but to magnify it, then in verse 19 he warned against breaking the law or teaching others to break it.
And you're still asking me to give you a Bible verse to support the claim that the law Jesus warned us not to break is the same he said he has not come to destroy?
You're supposed to be the one giving me a Bible verse to support your claim that he's talking about a new law.
The same greek word translated as "fulfill" in Matt 3:15 is the same translated as "fulfill" in Matt 5:17, so if the fulfilling righteousness means Jesus and John doing God's will, fulfilling the law also should mean Jesus doing what God wants, or isn't the 10 commandment God's will?
What's the point of Jesus leading by example if his followers follow his steps?

What's the point of Jesus leading by example if his followers don't follow his steps?

Raymondfayowole
Matt. 5:17-- "but to give full meaning to the law and magnify it."
Do you agree there's now a full and complete law?

How many of my questions have you been able to answer? Common listing of the ten commandments and explaining how breaking any of them would make you a good christian, you refused.
I'll oblige you.
Jesus has come to give full meaning to, and magnify the law.
In Matt 5:21, Jesus quoted the 6th commandment, thou shall not kill. He gave full meaning to/explanation of that law by saying, even getting angry without cause would put you in the danger of the same judgement of a killer.
Matt. 5:27-32 magnified the 7th law in the sense that, it's not sufficient not to commit adultery. Looking at someone lustfully is the same as committing adultery with the person.
You can call this completing the law or giving it detailed explanation, yes, but it still won't nullify the law itself.

DeOTR:
What's the point of Jesus leading by example if his followers don't follow his steps?



How many of my questions have you been able to answer? Common listing of the ten commandments and explaining how breaking any of them would make you a good christian, you refused.
I'll oblige you.
Jesus has come to give full meaning to, and magnify the law.
In Matt 5:21, Jesus quoted the 6th commandment, thou shall not kill. He gave full meaning to/explanation of that law by saying, even getting angry without cause would put you in the danger of the same judgement of a killer.
Matt. 5:27-32 magnified the 7th law in the sense that, it's not sufficient not to commit adultery. Looking at someone lustfully is the same as committing adultery with the person.
You can call this completing the law or giving it detailed explanation, yes, but it still won't nullify the law itself.

There's no need for long story here. Since u agree there's now a full and complete law. Read Hebrews 8:13

[13]In that He says, “A new covenant ,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Eat that..nd make sure it digest very well in ur brain before u quote me nxt tym.

wunmi590:
When God created the world, He rested on the seventh day. When God gave the ten commandments to Israel, He commanded Israel to rest on the seventh day as well. In Exodus 20:11 the reason given for that is that God rested on the seventh day from His creation work. In Deuteronomy 5, we find the second version of the ten commandments. The reason that God gives to rest on the Sabbath is to remember that the Lord delivered Israel from Egypt (Deuteronomy 5:15).

Sabbath law in the New Testament
So the Sabbath given by God in the Old Testament is the seventh day. It started with sunset on Friday and ended with sunset on Saturday. That is the Sabbath that the Jews are still celebrating.

How is the situation in the New Testament? In the New Testament we read that we are not under the law, but under grace (Romans 6:14). Christians do not have to submit to the ceremonial law anymore. The New Testament shows in several ways that the Sabbath law does not apply to Christians:

All other nine commandments are repeated in the New Testament, but the Sabbath commandment is not repeated.
Paul never wrote to the gentile churches he planted that they had to keep the Sabbath. Since the Sabbath was not part of their culture, that certainly would have been necessary if Paul had been of the opinion that they had to keep a Sabbath rest.
The churches in the New Testament met on Sundays, not on the Sabbath, like the Jewish synagogues.
Paul explicitly teaches that the Sabbath is just a shadow of things to come, but that the reality is found in Jesus. He gives us the heavenly rest. Therefore Paul forbids us to judge other people on the basis of whether or not they observe a Sabbath (Colossians 2:16-17).
The Lord’s day
The Jews met on the Sabbath. Christians started meeting on Sundays (see Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2). They did that because Jesus was risen from the dead on a Sunday. And appeared to them at least on the first and second Sunday after He was risen (John 20:19,26). Almost immediately the Sunday was called ‘the Lord’s day’ (Revelation 1:10).

So it is clear that Christians do not need to keep the Sabbath on Friday and Saturday. It is also clear that the church, following Jesus’ lead, from the beginning had its main meetings on Sunday. This does not mean that the Sabbath laws were transferred to the Sunday. We are under grace, not under the law.

That the Sabbath is fulfilled in Jesus, and that we therefore do not painstakingly have to follow the Old Testament Sabbath laws, is great news. But it would not be wise if we would use that to say we can now work each and every day. That the Lord rested on the seventh day of His creation work still is a powerful lesson for us. Rest is a blessing that we receive from the Lord. That the Sabbath law is fulfilled in Jesus probably means we should enjoy rest more, not less than in the Old Testament; that we should focus on God longer, not shorter than in the Old Testament.

Jesus’ fulfillment
While we do not need to be afraid that we are sinning if we work on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday, one great way to honor Jesus’ fulfillment of the Sabbath law is to set the Sunday as much apart as possible to go to church, to meet Christian brothers and sisters, and to focus on God through prayer, Bible reading and the reading of Christian books.

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