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Empiree:
even if Muslim country passes death sentence for treason you'd still complain

AbdulSleeky:
Yes because death sentences make no sense and are immoral.

Death sentence for causing death is still manageable. But death sentence for blasphemy is idiotic

Empiree:
you confused?

AbdulSleeky:
Nope. You are just too dull to understand.

Yes because death sentences make no sense and are immoral.

Death sentence for causing death is still manageable.

Empiree:
I honeslty did not wish to reply you on this again. However, ;et me point to you that i seen throgh your hypocrisy. I said that even there are 30 states in the US that have Death Penalty. You said thier death penalty is for eitehr treason or murder and not for blashphemy which means you have no problem with them passing death sentence fro treason bcus you happily posted this without restriction. But when I said "even if muslims countries hands down death penalty for treason you'd still compalin". Then all of a sudden you stwtiched your mouth again. You said






this means anything that has to do with muslims or islam is what you really have problems with. This is quite obvious. Kano state blasphemy law has nothing to do with religion as I know it. It is simply state law which states that if you blaspheme or abuse religious figures you get punished for it. Why can't you people simply respect law of the land instead of violating the law and then cry out "persecution". Our reading audience should see through your nonsense and hypocrisy all over. I have cited several examples but you guys turned blind eyes. I used Germany Holocaust law as an example which appears to be in conflict with freedom of speech but you guys act like it doesn't matter but you can't go to Germany and violate this rule. They will get you and lock you up for a long time.

This same thing is similar to , let's say Saudi Arabia has a law that says "if you say Islam is false religion you will be sentenced to life in jail". There is no difference btw the two laws. Both laws infringe human right. But you guys would condemn Saudi arabia "barbaric" while praising German law as "modern". Do I need to continue?.

Again, I am fully in support of Kano state law. It is their law just like any other states in America. These American states respect each other's laws. Matter of fact, if you are travelling to another state, your state would warn you to be aware of state law you are going bcus they don't want you to violate their law. Law is law. This is why at the back of US passport they advise US citizen to respect country's law they are going bcus they may not be able to help you if you get in trouble. This is respect they have for other country's law.

The only thing I reject about Kano or Northern penacode is that it is not across the board. Both Common and Sharia laws in Nigeria are hypocritically applied. This is why the entire country is a joke.

AbdulSleeky:
See lies!

So blasphemy laws have nothing to do with religion abi? It is now just Kano state law?

Your craziness is unmatched.

American laws are the worst in the west. People look the UK and EU countries for western sense.

Empiree:
oh sorry. Maybe I should rephrase this. The law in itself has nothing to do with Islam bcus it is not in the Qur'an. From what I read, it says "no one shall insult or blaspheme religious figures either by means songs or written materials". It appears to be"pubic moral law".

This is not a direct quote but paraphrase. So you can see it is not restricted to Islam. I just learned last night that it is actually Kano pena code.

What many don't seem to understand is that there are 2 laws in Nigeria. All South West, East and South East, South South use similar law when it comes to a specific case like defamation. Defamation of character in all States in Nigeria excluding North and ilorin is treated as civil case. But from ilorin and entire North, defamation of character, abuse, blasphemy are treated as criminal case. But in Yorubaland these cases are civil. Problem with many is that you are not aware of the law.

This is why if you live in the southwest and someone writes be false story about you, if you take want to deal seriously with the person, take your case to ilorin. Don't stay in Lagos. The person will never get out of the case easily. It is very serious. This same thing applies to Kano incident.

Let me give you example what happened recently bcuz that's I got to know how it works. Two famous guys had differences. Both of them live in South west. One lives in Lagos. Other lives in Osun state. The fellow that lives in Osun state accused the other of defamation of character. Because they had long standing issues, he decided he must take the case to different jurisdiction to deal with him. He took the case to ilorin where it was taken very seriously. If not by virtue of some lost evidences, the later would have been jailed for 7yrs. Defamation of character is a very serious case in Nigeria from ilorin upward. If you didn't know this now you know. So be very careful out there including sharing Facebook or WhatsApp write-up written by someone and you share it. The same applies to blasphemy. I just learned last night about the guy in Kano got into trouble bcus of hate song he shared through FB or what'sapp which is tantamount to blasphemy. Defamation of character is up to 7yrs behind bars.


so now America is bad?. You are fantabulous

AbdulSleeky:
1. You cant defame a spirit or a dead person. This is where you are very foolish to compare civil defamation laws to criminal blasphemy laws. Muhammad is dead and Allah is a spirit.

2. Stop being a liar, those blasphemy laws are based on Quranic and hadith interpretations. After all, it was even the islamic hisbah police that arrested the guy. Blasphemy laws only exist with religious laws and not secular laws

3. America is one of the worst developed countries in the world. I though you lived in the usa? You should know this

Empiree:
waste of time. Your brain capacity can not handle this. Let's see how you wanna evade this. Germany's Holocaust law is what exactly?. Why was is it enacted?. It was enacted to honor and substantiate dead Jewish people and against antisemitism. Question is, those people are dead decades ago. Why the law again?. Why is the law enacted to defend spirit and dead people?. Maybe Africa should enact law in honor of millions of Africans who were victims of slavery and many died on Atlantic slaveship?. Until you respond effectively to this German law, which you have avoided many times, I won't

AbdulSleeky:
Are you daft? Not all countries have holocaust laws. America for example does not.

Also, I do not support holocaust laws on principle. Unlike you, I am not a hypocrite.

Empiree:
who's daft?. Did I mention any other countries in reference to Holocaust?. Since I have been discussing holocaust I never mentioned any other countries except Germany

Finally, I forced you to concede to the fact that holocaust law is as "barbaric" as blasphemy law that you condenmed. Your sincerity was all I needed which you ran away from several times. Thanks for your admission.

However, for as long as the law stands in Germany you have absolutely no right to condenm blasphemy law. See how long it took you to admit?.

Shikena

Empiree:
Germany actually has blasphemy law. I just noticed this

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12174806/Germany-fines-man-for-blasphemous-car-bumper-stickers.html

AbdulSleeky:
Those laws were written long ago when Germany and most of Europe was christian.

That law in germany has rarely been used and is going to removed. Are you aware that since 2000 Europeans have been scrubbing blasphemy laws from their books?

Are you aware the the European union has been charged to remove blasphemy laws from the few countries that still have them?

Stop trying to defend blasphemy laws, you will always look like a barbaric and out of date clown

Empiree:
yes, I am aware EU has been removing blasphemy law. What you don't understand is that they have achieved what they wanted to achieve from it. And just because they removed theirs doesn't mean africa, middle east, Asia should do the same. No sir. They are different continent and they are independent of each other

As for Germany, fact remains it is still there. They are using it to protect CHRISTIAN figures. You said it is not use often. Yes course. It is because it is working. When law is working it means it curbs people's excesses. How many times blasphemy law is used in Nigeria?. Is it everyday?. Be reasonable my friend. Stop being European butt licker.

AbdulSleeky:
1. As usual, you bring a bad law ( holocaust laws) to defend barbaric islamic laws on blasphemy. Two wrongs can never be a right. It like a thief saying that he is stealing because someone else is greedy.

2. Secondly, you are comparing apples to oranges as the holocaust laws are very different from the blasphemy laws. 6 million jews died, thousands of Russians died and thousands of british men died in the war. Is it surprising that it is a touching issue? The idea behind the law is to stamp out any single form of Nazism/racism. The law is an overreaction of course and should not be used. Then to compare this to a religion trying to block all criticisms through blasphem laws is quote silly.

3. Unlike fanatic, barbaric muslims like you, there are many European organisations and people fighting for the repeal of holocaust laws. Are you fighting against blasphemy laws? NO. But Europeans are fighting against holocaust laws. Many European countries dont even have holocaust laws. America does not have it as well.



If you dont know, many of your fellow muslims see you as a dumb fellow. Didnt saucyxo imply that you spout nonsense when trying to defend islam?

Using one bad law to defend another bad law.

AbdulSleeky:
LOW IQ

AbdulSleeky:
Empiree,

You are a hypocrite. So here you are arguing for blasphemy laws and you are here committing blasphemy!! You should be arrested and sentenced to death for insulting prophet Isa (Aka christian Jesus)


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Empiree:
Told you that you ran out of idea. So it took you 24hrs to dig up 5yrs old post against me?. Now tell me, what's my crime in the post?.

AbdulSleeky:
See hypocrite!

So you are now defending blasphemy against prophet Isa?

Empiree:
it is impossible for a Muslim to blaspheme nabi Isa (as). What you dugged up was in a debate.

Empiree:
you see, let me tell you what you don't understand. In your head you think I support judge's decision. No, I don't but I respect the decision. I support blasphemy law in itself. Laws are meant to regulate community. Without laws there would be chaos.

Blasphemy law actually helped the guy in number of ways. He could have been lynched the way South West people set robbers on fire in jungle justice. So law somewhat helped the guy and he lives. For the fact that he was convicted doesn't mean he will be executed. He has opportunity to appeal and have his conviction turned to lesser punishment.

Matter of fact I have reviewed his alleged crime. It looks like it was mistake. He was emotionally overwhelmed during arguments i believe and he uttered ungodly words against prophet of Islam.

Remember law is law whether you are comfortable with the outcome or not. The way law see a crime is different from how average people see it.

In my opinion, solution is very simple. Appeal his judgement and let him walk free. I do not support death penalty for him. Death sentence should be reserved for unrepentant recurrent violators. Sometimes this people are funded and trained by foreign govt to abuse prophet of Islam. This is what happened a yr ago in Mauritania. Some people were funded and backed by French to blaspheme the prophet. They were caught and sentenced to death. After series of pleads and outcries they were sentenced to jail.

I hope this guy lives through this and mind his utterances in the future but I am in full support of blasphemy law. It is meant to check people.

AbdulSleeky:
LOW IQ.

Save your nonsense for your fellow fanatics

Empiree:
I knew you would still not be satisfied and you don't even have better explanation to offer. Guess what?

Who cares what your opinion is.

AbdulSleeky:
You have made a fool of yourself already. No need to argue any longer.

Your cowardly muslim brothers are hiding.

Empiree:
you didnt address my post where I made my final position on the issue. Looks like you have nothing upstairs

AbdulSleeky:


You are a great example of dunning-kruger effect. You think you are smarter than you really are. Lol