Prechgold1180:
am not criticising anybody o
I just asked a question because I tend to see him on every post

Asin e dey try

24/7 online

no be only u. i see the guy on every thread on FP. he will always be i the first page.

Yobabad:
That why we said Buhari is Evil, if not that this stupid law is against Christianity He would never sign it into law. I have said it so many times that what matters to Muslims both Hausa fulani or Yoruba Muslims is Islam and not development or betterment of the so called Nigeria.

You are uneducated religious bigot. Read intelligent comment above yours. What the poster above you said was the reason for this not religious discrimination. Get a life, boy.

This is blasphemy to the Christian Faith.

There is more to this law than it appears on the surface. Those behind it know exactly what they are up to

It’s appalling that Govt of Buhari would turn blind eye and deaf ears to the obvious problems of Nigeria and keep chasing an insidious agenda.

Those broadcasting their nativity on drift that the government wants to check corruption in the church should please name on government parastatal where this government has successfully checked corruption. Even the ASO Rock where the president lives still ricks of slurry and fantastic corruption.

According to the Bible in the book of Daniel chapter 5, God did not show up until king Belshazzar of Babylon drank from the vessel of the temple of God; this incidence would be such.

leofab:
let the church and it’s people move to the heaven.. this is nigeria and all organizations must be regulated by the government.

Organisations cannot be wholly regulated. Not interactions.

Marine54:
Where it's written BIBLE that govt should control the CHURCH ?

Where is it written in the constitution that we have to make laws based on the bible?

CAN will claim to 'obey scriptures of Romans 13 vs 1 to 3' in obeying government to lock up church,sending worshippers n holy spirit parking cos of government order but won't cite any scriptures to support disagreement with same govt's order over control and closer monitoring of church activities especially finances and succession.

Mixed motives,tueehhhh!

techmo:




Nonsense and ingredient... So CAN wants to tell us there are no Christians out of the over 400 National Assembly Lawmakers during the first and second reading, or the Public hearing of the bill



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and to you, you think those politicians there are normal?

martineverest:
it seems u don't understand what the law is all about....the appointment or dissolution occurs when churches break existing laws especially financial misappropriation, inheritance of the organisation by pastor's kids or family members and pastors being the sole owner of church funds etc

I see

you need to re-design your brain back to default setting

Brandstudio01:
So who controls the Church is now more important than dozens of needs pressing the nation and it's citizens?

What could really be wrong with black man?

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OpinionCounts:
If not that a lot of the churches of this era has lost their spiritual strength in Christ because of worldly chase and enticement, matters like this were very very easy piece of cake to handle in the days of the early church...a true prophet will just stand in the alter of God and make a divine proclamation on all that partook in this taboo law and the nation will just watch and see how the so called leaders will just be falling dead everywhere like headless chickens until they run to the church to repent of their mockery.

Why does Christians like to threaten with death?

Seun:
There are many other terrible things in that law.

is that so... I will need the details of that piece of law

Omooba77:


https://punchng.com/can-rejects-cama-says-govt-cannot-control-churches/

What is religion?

seunmsg:
Rejecting the new law in the media won't have any effect. The new CAMA is now a law that must be complied with by all afeected parties. If CAN feels that the law violates the fundamental and constitutional right of its members, they should go ahead and challenge the legality of the law in a court of competent jurisdiction. Anything other than that is just empty noise.

that law is dead on arrival.. It is going to escalate terrible things... Na me tell you

CAN is wasting its time as it's high time Churches separate their charity functions from business interests and concerns. The same churches in Nigeria abide by the same rules in other countries and Nigeria cannot be an exception.

No amount of blackmail and incitement from church leaders will stop this. Change is inevitable even thought it's resisted initially

They can't convert this nation to Islamic nation....i know, if Christians can rise up in one voice and cry to God, every single souls that has hand in it will die with their generations...

mu2sa2:
Why does Christians like to threaten with death?

don't mind the guy you quoted, there are many cultists in church masquerading as believers

seunlayi:
Govt can control churches. Can should shut up

you must be joking.... Don't start what you can't finish

Let's leave religion alone. When it comes to religion, people lose their minds.

If I was tre government, I would avoid anything that looks like it has any likelihood to heat up the polity.

Endurance28:

*CAMA 2020*
Pls read the submission of King Arthur, Esq with an open mind.


*Suspension of Trustees and Appointment of Interim Manager(s)*

Section 839 (1) empowers the Commission to suspend trustees of an association and appoint interim managers to manage the affairs of the association where it reasonably believes that-

(a) There is or has been misconduct or mismanagement in the administration of the association;

(b) it is necessary or desirable for the purpose of;

i. Protecting the property of the association

ii. Securing a proper application for the property of the association towards achieving the objects of the association, the purpose of the associationof that property or of the property coming to the association,

iii. Public interest; or

(c) the affairs of the association are being run fraudulently.

By the foregoing provision, the Commission can lawfully suspend the trustees of an association on the grounds stated above. If the subsection were to end there, the concerns of unbridled power raised would have been justified, but it does not end there.

Subsection 2 provides as follows:

1. The trustees shall be suspended by an order of Court upon the petition of the Commission or Members consisting of one-fifth of the association, and the petitioners shall present all reasonable evidence or such evidence as requested by the Court in respect of the petition.

Subsection 2 therefore expressly provides for –

A. Who has the locus to suspend the Trustees?

Answer: The Commission and the Members of the association in question.

B. What are the Conditions Precedent before the action for suspension can be heard?

Answer: A petition detailing grounds of a breach as stated above, reasonable evidence, and with Members – a quorum of one-fifth.

C. How can the Trustees be suspended?

Answer: By an Order of Court.

This provision is not ambiguous.

Thus, the discretion of the Commission in its “reasonable belief” is still subject to the approval of the Court, the likelihood of arbitrariness by the Commission in subsection 1 is curtailed by subsection 2; if the Commission (or members) acts outside Sub 2, it is null and void.The Registrar General cannot just wake up on the wrong side of the bed as being touted and suspend the Trustees. The law is not subjective to sleep positions. It is the Law. There are grounds for which evidence must be adduced by people recognized by law to obtain an Order of Court before the power conferred can be exercised.

Subsection 3 provides for the hearing of the petition and the appointment of the Interim Managers by the Court with the assistance of the Commission. The Interim managers are designated by the Court or the appointment of any person who cannot do as otherwise instructed without the approval of the Court.

The Court has the final say, not the Commission and not the Members. If the argument against this provision is that of lack of trust in the Judiciary to play its role by law, that is a different conversation altogether.

many of the church leaders understand this but just want to retain their hold on the churches and resources contributed by members which is not even in the true spirit of accountability as outlined even in scriptures where it is enjoined that pastors as shepherds should not be lords over the flock but examples to the flock which is the people they lead

There is no doubt that the church is presently under serious persecution. With the kind of comments online against Church and against everything that is Christ, with the kind of rage from unbelievers against the true believers; it's obvious that there is an ongoing war against the Church. It used to be a secret war but it's now become an open one. IN ALL OF THIS: JESUS WILL BUILD HIS CHURCH AND THE GATE HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT.


I'M HAPPY TO BE A PART OF THE CHURCH!
JESUS IS LORD!!!

BabaRamota1980:


The churches brought this upon themselves.

There are many muslim communities just like Zakzaky group in North. They mind their business and never get involved in govt issues. Zakyzaky stays in govt business all the time. Thats why he is in trouble now.

Jonathan set a bad precedence when he will have these pastors meddling govt business. They got too comfortable and started commenting on what govt is doing or not doing. When you are a tax exempt organization, stay away from govt the best you can. Put a long distance between you and govt. Govt has all the rules and ways to fvk up anyone, if they choose to. These churches did same thing Zakyzaky did, started fvkng with govt. So now govt wants to fcvk with them too. Its unfortunate but its reality.

There is a pastor in America called Pastor Dollar or something like that. He used to condemn govt and live large and flaunt. One of their legislators got on his case and wanted to probe him and his church. The Pastor got the message at that point.

If CAMA can bring out same result in Nigerian pastors it will be great. The money they waste on acquiring jets and building for-profit private institutions should be better used in promoting wellbeing and supporting needs of communities and people. At the end of it people benefit when churches come to their aid in time of distress and need.

the government has no business with the church

Omooba77:


Not a polarised environment like ours....
Can you compare us to Europe and US

Yes we have to start from somewhere

martineverest:
the law says non profit organizations...which includes churches,mosques,charity etc....why aren't these CAN People complaining about our government excepting them from paying tax while in USA and Europe churches pay tax..this new law is similar to what they have in Europe and USA

Limited IRS Oversight of Churches
Because of the First Amendment to the Constitution guaranteeing freedom of religion, the IRS has long adopted a largely hands-off approach to regulating churches.

For example as long as an organization qualifies as a church, it need not apply to the IRS to receive its tax exemption—the exemption is automatic. Moreover, churches need not file the dreaded IRS Form 990 or 990-EZ--the annual information forms that other charities must file each year.

However, many churches apply to the IRS anyway. The advantages of doing so are that (1) the organization will obtain official recognition of its tax-exempt status which assures donors that their contributions are tax deductible, and (2) it will be listed in IRS records as a qualified charitable organization and it can obtain a determination letter from the IRS stating that contributions to it are tax deductible.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/are-churches-always-exempt.html

vikithor:
Call it in forgiveness,if CAN will agree with FG to shout down churches it didn't contribute to set up,neither did CAN sought audience from other church brethren on whether or not church should open or be closed (a very betraying and painful experiences ) to say the least;same government 'CAN was obeying constituted authority' they cited Romans 13 vs 1 down , they ignored my opinions which was they shouldn't comply,government are planning more in routes to strangle to church of Christ,now CAMA 2020,them say them no go continue to obey? Is cos money is involve?
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look you don't compare this with pandemic that has to do with life... Church was shut down because it valued lives of its members.. It is not because of government perse

vikithor:
Call it in forgiveness,if CAN will agree with FG to shout down churches it didn't contribute to set up,neither did CAN sought audience from other church brethren on whether or not church should open or be closed (a very betraying and painful experiences ) to say the least;same government 'CAN was obeying constituted authority' they cited Romans 13 vs 1 down , they ignored my opinions which was they shouldn't comply,government are planning more in routes to strangle to church of Christ,now CAMA 2020,them say them no go continue to obey? Is cos money is involve?
.........

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look you don't compare this with pandemic that has to do with life... Church was shut down because it valued lives of its members.. It is not because of government

Askme2020:

Is this nation control by the Bible, is Bible the law book of the Nation? what did the bible says about the govt of the land?

CAN should have fought this before it became a law. they were three hearing, public hearing of the bill before it was passed into law.
The best thing CAN can do now is to take it in a legal way by going to Court. It is already a Law.

Sometimes ago a bill similar to this was passed that G.O of each churches must appoint a new Leader that is not a relation of the G.O of the church, when they are over 70years old. Pst Adeboye obeyed and followed the law then before it was scrapped. Do you know that is was a Christian that presented the bill then?
The christian are the one fighting the church.
This new bill if you research it very well, it will be a christian that is in charge of it.

It didn't go through normal process

Marine54:
Where it's written BIBLE that govt should control the CHURCH ?

Jesus Christ never told any of you to join yourself into buildings which serve as office locations for world registered business.

Sarmiz24:
You know CAN is right how can Govt control Church if dey can’t control Islamic in the name of Sharia shit... Like how can a religion court supercede a national Court can u imagine a religious court sentencing someone to death in a Multi religious Country for that matter o wrong naw.... So if Fed Govt can’t abolish sharia whatever then they shouldn’t try to Control the Church simple

From the much I have read, religious businesses aren't the only businesses that will be impacted by the new decision. So CAN is not right at all.

stormborn28:
the government has no business with the church

The church should create their own country then.

Any power or soul trying to stand on or bring down the church of God must die in Jesus' name. That is what I have to say.