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Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Xmuslim: 10:37am On Sep 04, 2020
AkwaIbomMan:
[s][/s]keep shut and leave Jehovah out of your stupidity
jehovah is similar to Allah in his atrocities. Just that Christians have moved on from those barbaric laws of the old testament

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Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by sulasa07(m): 10:38am On Sep 04, 2020
Xmuslim:
Muhammad was not balance mentally. He was a deluded human albeit smart.
Leave Muhammad out of this and face the idiots around you.
Before and after death of Prophet Muhammad,Non Muslims still existed in Mecca and Medina

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Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by majiddele75: 10:40am On Sep 04, 2020
Xmuslim:
Insecure religion.

A religion that doesn't agree to the freedom of choice. Is that one true religion

There's not one religion that isn't insecure

I mean, the other one literally asks you to never ever use your own brain to think..

Literally

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Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by IMAliyu(m): 10:43am On Sep 04, 2020
While trying to justify this heinous act

Are you not just giving validity to the extremists like bokoharam?

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Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Xmuslim: 10:43am On Sep 04, 2020
AbdulSleeky:
Cc



They will try to hide or keep silent on this matter to non-muslims. below are their names-



Stalwert
rilwayne001
rashduct4luv
empiree
sino
lanrexlan

I wonder how they sleep easily with this dangerous belief. I don't respect any human that think it's right to harm any other innocent human over his freedom of choice and expression

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Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by chinchonglee(m): 10:46am On Sep 04, 2020
OtemAtum:


This op thinks we are still in the 6th century. Have you not been told that most of the evil supported by religious gods like Jehovah and Allah are now being checked by a civilised world of ours? Slave trading, stoning people to death for adultery, commiting paedophile like Mohammed, religious intolerance, killing for blasphemy, etc which Jehovah and Allah are in support of are now being abolished by modern and civilised brain, yet you are bringing us back to the past errors of religion.

As a matter of fact, Allah and Jehovah, the chief gods of the two major earth religion are currently held captive in a spiritual cage by the gods of science, so Op, do not drag us backward. Peace.
Please cancel that Jevohah dere.. Our God is a merciful God and never allow us shed blood of a sinner

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Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Xmuslim: 10:46am On Sep 04, 2020
sulasa07:

Leave Muhammad out of this and face the idiots around you.
Before and after death of Prophet Muhammad,Non Muslims still existed in Mecca and Medina
my post is directed to the sunni Muslims. According to their Hadiths, Muhammad killed apostates and blasphemers

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Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Xmuslim: 10:47am On Sep 04, 2020
majiddele75:


There's not one religion that isn't insecure

I mean, the other one literally asks you to never ever use your own brain to think..

Literally
I'm an agnostic for your information. Thus, I don't follow any religion and I agree with you on this

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Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by sulasa07(m): 10:47am On Sep 04, 2020
IMAliyu:
While trying to justify this heinous act

Are you not just giving validity to the extremists like bokoharam?
That's why I have more issues with Muslims than Non Muslims,the worst Non Muslims and Ex Muslims will do is to troll like David wood and Apostate Prophet tearing and eating Quran like baboons.
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Xmuslim: 10:49am On Sep 04, 2020
chinchonglee:

Please cancel that Jevohah dere.. Our God is a merciful God and never allow us shed blood of a sinner
Read old testament my friend. Your god is not different from Allah
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by div111(m): 10:51am On Sep 04, 2020
AkwaIbomMan:
you nor dey fear ban?
fear ko...
is...larrm na reli..gion of terr..orists and psychos..

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Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by sulasa07(m): 10:52am On Sep 04, 2020
Xmuslim:
my post is directed to the sunni Muslims. According to their Hadiths, Muhammad killed apostate and blasphemous
As much as it's the Hadiths I've known and seen, Muhammad as the leader of his community allowed execution of Treason Committers,they are number of Hadiths of expressing Muhammad slapped by Non Muslims and he didn't order their execution and nothing happened to them.
The same country this Sunni wickedness behavior came from are strong friends of the Non Muslims,they should explain that first b4 any other thing,but it's also the same Hadiths they will use to justify their friendship with them
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by AbdulSleeky: 10:54am On Sep 04, 2020
sulasa07:

That's why I have more issues with Muslims than Non Muslims,the worst Non Muslims and Ex Muslims will do is to troll like David wood and Apostate Prophet tearing and eating Quran like baboons.


And Mohammed Hijab the Gorilla-man bully is better?

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Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Akhirastriver(m): 10:54am On Sep 04, 2020
Bible on apostasy

if you Don't like this ruling which in your Bible too so go suck Paul's clitoris
That dreamer of dreams shall be �put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the Lord your God.

Deuteronomy 13

▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎
� put him to death, 10. And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the Lord your God,

�If you find someone..saying, “Let us go and serve other gods” ’—which you have not known
�Then you shall gather all its plunder into the middle of the street, and [g]completely (P)
��burn with fire the city and all its plunder, for the Lord your God



Same in Islam too
���

(1) This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him."

(reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

(3) By leaving Islaam, the apostate opens the way for everyone who wants to leave the faith, thus spreading apostasy and encouraging it.

(5) the punishment for murder and espionage (also known as high treason) is deatt again

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ask yourself why US is searching for
Edward Snowden
So Snowdens are to be killed�

●The rule is to ask him to repent
Under Shariah law
Only under sharia he is to be killed if he apostates
After asking him 3 times
Look
Only 4 hands were cut in the 1st 6 centuries of Islam
And If your kid wants to jump from the 5th floor
Will you just say to him
If you jump i will slap you?!!!!
Nooo!! You will maybe tie his legs for 3 days�
So in real life we are both Merciful and harsh or just with our kids too

Now how about Islam

In all religions spiers who commit treason are killed
Russia Potin Killed Nicolay His rival killed in his house
grochkov with neuron gaz
England caught a spier.
Will they give him flowers? After a decade of searching him?

If any American soldier gives Korea Secrets of the Pentagon or of USA administration to Korea will Trump receive him with flowers and give him pizza and ice cream or chop his head
I guess the answer is clear�
No country ever in history forgave betrayals
Never happened!!!

�see �today�

15/03/2018
AlJazeera BBC etc all mention the following
/// Russia and poisening 23 betrayals of Russia for other countries ///
Vladimir potin orders to kill several of these viruses for him
Killed Nicolay His rival killed in his house grochkov with neuron gaz
Great betraying Woman too Yuria Servis Kripal killed too
Potin decided to kill him with poison

Ref.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/15/opinion/britain-russia-spy-poisoning.html

Skripal and his daughter Yulia were found semiconscious on a park bench in the English town of Salisbury on March 4th. Officials later determined that they had been poisoned with Novichok, a deadly nerve agent developed in the Soviet Union. The British government has accused Russia of manufacturing and stockpiling the agent, as well as training “special units” to employ it against Russia’s enemies.

Watch more on this on BBC


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obRQUqLFqj0
▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎

And in Islam only the judge is to sentence the apostate not everyone
We are to ask him to repent

imagine if Islam rules the world
No zinah now right?
But since we have started talk now few minutes
3000 girls are raped in US now�
4000 robbed
See how Islam is light

▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎
In details;
As for apostates (murtad)
Whoever commits high treason is killed in all nations all countries of the whole world
That is what Islam ordained too

USA is looking for Edward Snowden who fled to Russia Edward Snowden, the US spy agency contractor who leaked troves of classified information about the US government’s mass surveillance programmes

Ask yourself why is he wanted?
To give him promotion and gifs
See here Obama is irritated on him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6eoygGOxG0
And here Bush Walker says he damaged the country

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC92JHSAYEA

▪︎▪︎▪︎

Killing apostates in Islam is for those waging war against Islam after they leave Islam

Al-Bukhaari (6922) narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever changes his religion, put him to death.”

Al-Bukhaari (6484) and Muslim (1676) narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allaah and that I am the Messenger of Allaah, except in one of three cases: a soul for a soul (i.e., in the case of murder); a previously-married person who commits zina; and one who leaves his religion and separates from the main body of the Muslims.”
������
This means if he repents he is saved

-------------
Al-Hallaaj was one of the most well known heretics who were put to death without being asked to repent.
Al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad said:
The Maaliki fuqaha’ of Baghdad at the time of al-Muqtadir were unanimously agreed that al-Hallaaj should be killed and crucified because of his claim to divinity and his belief in incarnation, and his saying “I am al-Haqq [God],” even though he outwardly appeared to adhere to sharee’ah, and they did not accept his repentance.

●Ref: Al-Shifa bi Ta’reef Huqooq al-Mustafa, 2/1091.

/////
Waging war against Islam is not limited only to fighting with weapons, rather it may be done verbally such as defaming Islam or the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or attacking the Qur’aan, and so on. Waging verbal war against Islam may be worse than waging war against it with weapons in some cases.

������The apostate is not to be put to death immediately after he falls into apostasy, especially if his apostasy happens because of some doubt that arose. Rather he should be asked to repent and he should be offered the opportunity to return to Islam and resolve his doubts, if he has any doubts. Then if he persists in his apostasy after that, he is to be put to death.
Ibn Qudaamah said in al-Mughni, 9/18:
The apostate should not be put to death until he has been asked to repent three times. This is the view of the majority of scholars, including ‘Umar, ‘Ali, ‘Ata’, al-Nakhaii, Maalik, al-Thawri, al-Awzaa’i, Ishaaq and others. Because apostasy comes about because of doubt, and cannot be dispelled in an instant. Time should be allowed for the person to rethink the matter, and the best length of time is three days.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said:
Muhaarabah (waging war against Islam) is of two types: physical and verbal. Waging war verbally against Islam may be worse than waging war physically – as stated above – hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to kill those who waged war against Islam verbally, whilst letting off some of those who waged war against Islam physically.

This ruling is to be applied more strictly after the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Mischief may be caused by physical action or by words, but the damage caused by words is many times greater than that caused by physical action; and the goodness achieved by words in reforming may be many times greater than that achieved by physical action. It is proven that waging war against Allaah and His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) verbally is worse and the efforts on earth to undermine religion by verbal means is more effective.

●Ref: Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 3/735

▪︎▪︎▪︎
So, In all religions and constitutions of the world in the past or now all spiers are killed
Bandits, i.e., al-muhaarib, the one who wages war against Allaah and His Messenger. Allaah says:
“The recompense of those who wage war against Allaah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter”
[al-Maa'idah 5:33]
.��Spies. The spy is the one who spies on the Muslims and transmits information to their enemies.
The evidence for that is the report narrated by al-Bukhaari (3007) and Muslim (2494) which says that Haatib ibn Abi Balta’ah wrote to some of the mushrikeen in Makkah telling them some information about the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “O Haatib, what is this?” He said, “O Messenger of Allaah, do not hasten to judge me. I was a man closely connected to Quraysh, but I did not belong to this tribe, while the other Muhaajireen with you had their relatives in Makkah who would protect their families and property. So I wanted to make up for my lack of blood ties to them by doing them a favor so that they might protect my family. I did not do this because of disbelief or apostasy nor out of preferring kufr (disbelief) to Islam.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “He has told you the truth.” ‘Umar said, “O Messenger of Allaah! Let me chop off the head of this hypocrite!” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “He was present at the battle of Badr, and you do not know, perhaps Allaah looked at the people of Badr and said, ‘Do whatever you like, for I have forgiven you.’”
The point in this hadeeth is that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) agreed with ‘Umar that Haatib deserved to be executed for this action, but the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told him that there was a reason why he should not be killed, which is that he was one of those who was present at the battle of Badr.
Ibn al-Qayyim said in Zaad al-Ma’aad (2/115) concerning the hadeeth of Haatib ibn Abi Balta’ah:
This was quoted as evidence by those who do not think that the Muslim spy should be killed, such as al-Shaafa’i, Ahmad and Abu Haneefah (may Allaah have mercy on them). And it was quoted as evidence by those who think that the spy should be killed, such as Maalik and Ibn ‘Aqeel among the companions of Ahmad, and others. They said: This is because the reason for not killing him was that he had been present at Badr. If being Muslim was the reason for not killing him, he would not have given a reason that is more specific, which is the fact that he had been present at Badr.
And he said elsewhere in Zaad al-Ma’aad (3/422):
The correct view is that execution of a spy depends on the opinion of the ruler; if executing him is in the Muslims’ interests, he should be executed, but if letting him live serves a greater interest, then he should be allowed to live. And Allaah knows best.
▪︎▪︎▪︎ ▪︎▪︎▪︎
Argue with ur bible if u dont agree

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Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by advocatejare(m): 10:54am On Sep 04, 2020
Lukgaf:
The ruling of execution because of a word that somebody utters is what the Muslim scholars call al-riddah (apostasy).
What is apostasy and what constitutes apostasy?
What is the ruling on the apostate (al-murtadd)?

"Islam is a true religion not like a shop or store which a person can enter when he wants and leave when he wants, thus encouraging others to forsake the truth."


https://islamqa.info/en/answers/20327/why-is-the-apostate-to-be-executed-in-islam

Nightstalker come and see the real Islam
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Jeetkool(m): 10:55am On Sep 04, 2020
Xmuslim:
my post is directed to the sunni Muslims. According to their Hadiths, Muhammad killed apostates and blasphemers

Help me ask them were in the Quran Allah ask the prophet to kill apostates and how many did d prophet kill.
They did not believe in Quran because if they believe they will not put Hadith over Quran. Even the prophet follow the word of Allah which is Quran.
Quran 5 vs 32 to 34 explained it better not quoting only 33
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by sulasa07(m): 10:56am On Sep 04, 2020
AbdulSleeky:



And Mohammed Hijab the Gorilla-man bully is better?
Who did he bully?
Of course,I do know Mohammed Hijab likes to use his body size to intimate people.
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Akhirastriver(m): 10:56am On Sep 04, 2020
chinchonglee:

Please cancel that Jevohah dere.. Our God is a merciful God and never allow us shed blood of a sinner
Read
Akhirastriver:
Bible on apostasy

if you Don't like this ruling which in your Bible too so go suck Paul's clitoris
That dreamer of dreams shall be �put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the Lord your God.

Deuteronomy 13

▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎
� put him to death, 10. And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the Lord your God,

�If you find someone..saying, “Let us go and serve other gods” ’—which you have not known
�Then you shall gather all its plunder into the middle of the street, and [g]completely (P)
��burn with fire the city and all its plunder, for the Lord your God



Same in Islam too
���

(1) This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him."

(reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

(3) By leaving Islaam, the apostate opens the way for everyone who wants to leave the faith, thus spreading apostasy and encouraging it.

(5) the punishment for murder and espionage (also known as high treason) is deatt again

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ask yourself why US is searching for
Edward Snowden
So Snowdens are to be killed�

●The rule is to ask him to repent
Under Shariah law
Only under sharia he is to be killed if he apostates
After asking him 3 times
Look
Only 4 hands were cut in the 1st 6 centuries of Islam
And If your kid wants to jump from the 5th floor
Will you just say to him
If you jump i will slap you?!!!!
Nooo!! You will maybe tie his legs for 3 days�
So in real life we are both Merciful and harsh or just with our kids too

Now how about Islam

In all religions spiers who commit treason are killed
Russia Potin Killed Nicolay His rival killed in his house
grochkov with neuron gaz
England caught a spier.
Will they give him flowers? After a decade of searching him?

If any American soldier gives Korea Secrets of the Pentagon or of USA administration to Korea will Trump receive him with flowers and give him pizza and ice cream or chop his head
I guess the answer is clear�
No country ever in history forgave betrayals
Never happened!!!

�see �today�

15/03/2018
AlJazeera BBC etc all mention the following
/// Russia and poisening 23 betrayals of Russia for other countries ///
Vladimir potin orders to kill several of these viruses for him
Killed Nicolay His rival killed in his house grochkov with neuron gaz
Great betraying Woman too Yuria Servis Kripal killed too
Potin decided to kill him with poison

Ref.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/15/opinion/britain-russia-spy-poisoning.html

Skripal and his daughter Yulia were found semiconscious on a park bench in the English town of Salisbury on March 4th. Officials later determined that they had been poisoned with Novichok, a deadly nerve agent developed in the Soviet Union. The British government has accused Russia of manufacturing and stockpiling the agent, as well as training “special units” to employ it against Russia’s enemies.

Watch more on this on BBC


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obRQUqLFqj0
▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎

And in Islam only the judge is to sentence the apostate not everyone
We are to ask him to repent

imagine if Islam rules the world
No zinah now right?
But since we have started talk now few minutes
3000 girls are raped in US now�
4000 robbed
See how Islam is light

▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎
In details;
As for apostates (murtad)
Whoever commits high treason is killed in all nations all countries of the whole world
That is what Islam ordained too

USA is looking for Edward Snowden who fled to Russia Edward Snowden, the US spy agency contractor who leaked troves of classified information about the US government’s mass surveillance programmes

Ask yourself why is he wanted?
To give him promotion and gifs
See here Obama is irritated on him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6eoygGOxG0
And here Bush Walker says he damaged the country

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC92JHSAYEA

▪︎▪︎▪︎

Killing apostates in Islam is for those waging war against Islam after they leave Islam

Al-Bukhaari (6922) narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever changes his religion, put him to death.”

Al-Bukhaari (6484) and Muslim (1676) narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allaah and that I am the Messenger of Allaah, except in one of three cases: a soul for a soul (i.e., in the case of murder); a previously-married person who commits zina; and one who leaves his religion and separates from the main body of the Muslims.”
������
This means if he repents he is saved

-------------
Al-Hallaaj was one of the most well known heretics who were put to death without being asked to repent.
Al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad said:
The Maaliki fuqaha’ of Baghdad at the time of al-Muqtadir were unanimously agreed that al-Hallaaj should be killed and crucified because of his claim to divinity and his belief in incarnation, and his saying “I am al-Haqq [God],” even though he outwardly appeared to adhere to sharee’ah, and they did not accept his repentance.

●Ref: Al-Shifa bi Ta’reef Huqooq al-Mustafa, 2/1091.

/////
Waging war against Islam is not limited only to fighting with weapons, rather it may be done verbally such as defaming Islam or the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or attacking the Qur’aan, and so on. Waging verbal war against Islam may be worse than waging war against it with weapons in some cases.

������The apostate is not to be put to death immediately after he falls into apostasy, especially if his apostasy happens because of some doubt that arose. Rather he should be asked to repent and he should be offered the opportunity to return to Islam and resolve his doubts, if he has any doubts. Then if he persists in his apostasy after that, he is to be put to death.
Ibn Qudaamah said in al-Mughni, 9/18:
The apostate should not be put to death until he has been asked to repent three times. This is the view of the majority of scholars, including ‘Umar, ‘Ali, ‘Ata’, al-Nakhaii, Maalik, al-Thawri, al-Awzaa’i, Ishaaq and others. Because apostasy comes about because of doubt, and cannot be dispelled in an instant. Time should be allowed for the person to rethink the matter, and the best length of time is three days.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said:
Muhaarabah (waging war against Islam) is of two types: physical and verbal. Waging war verbally against Islam may be worse than waging war physically – as stated above – hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to kill those who waged war against Islam verbally, whilst letting off some of those who waged war against Islam physically.

This ruling is to be applied more strictly after the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Mischief may be caused by physical action or by words, but the damage caused by words is many times greater than that caused by physical action; and the goodness achieved by words in reforming may be many times greater than that achieved by physical action. It is proven that waging war against Allaah and His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) verbally is worse and the efforts on earth to undermine religion by verbal means is more effective.

●Ref: Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 3/735

▪︎▪︎▪︎
So, In all religions and constitutions of the world in the past or now all spiers are killed
Bandits, i.e., al-muhaarib, the one who wages war against Allaah and His Messenger. Allaah says:
“The recompense of those who wage war against Allaah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter”
[al-Maa'idah 5:33]
.��Spies. The spy is the one who spies on the Muslims and transmits information to their enemies.
The evidence for that is the report narrated by al-Bukhaari (3007) and Muslim (2494) which says that Haatib ibn Abi Balta’ah wrote to some of the mushrikeen in Makkah telling them some information about the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “O Haatib, what is this?” He said, “O Messenger of Allaah, do not hasten to judge me. I was a man closely connected to Quraysh, but I did not belong to this tribe, while the other Muhaajireen with you had their relatives in Makkah who would protect their families and property. So I wanted to make up for my lack of blood ties to them by doing them a favor so that they might protect my family. I did not do this because of disbelief or apostasy nor out of preferring kufr (disbelief) to Islam.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “He has told you the truth.” ‘Umar said, “O Messenger of Allaah! Let me chop off the head of this hypocrite!” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “He was present at the battle of Badr, and you do not know, perhaps Allaah looked at the people of Badr and said, ‘Do whatever you like, for I have forgiven you.’”
The point in this hadeeth is that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) agreed with ‘Umar that Haatib deserved to be executed for this action, but the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told him that there was a reason why he should not be killed, which is that he was one of those who was present at the battle of Badr.
Ibn al-Qayyim said in Zaad al-Ma’aad (2/115) concerning the hadeeth of Haatib ibn Abi Balta’ah:
This was quoted as evidence by those who do not think that the Muslim spy should be killed, such as al-Shaafa’i, Ahmad and Abu Haneefah (may Allaah have mercy on them). And it was quoted as evidence by those who think that the spy should be killed, such as Maalik and Ibn ‘Aqeel among the companions of Ahmad, and others. They said: This is because the reason for not killing him was that he had been present at Badr. If being Muslim was the reason for not killing him, he would not have given a reason that is more specific, which is the fact that he had been present at Badr.
And he said elsewhere in Zaad al-Ma’aad (3/422):
The correct view is that execution of a spy depends on the opinion of the ruler; if executing him is in the Muslims’ interests, he should be executed, but if letting him live serves a greater interest, then he should be allowed to live. And Allaah knows best.
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Argue with ur bible if u dont agree
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by AbdulSleeky: 11:00am On Sep 04, 2020
sulasa07:

Who did he bully?
Of course,I do know Mohammed Hijab likes to use his body size to intimate people.

The same Apostate Prophet.
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by sulasa07(m): 11:02am On Sep 04, 2020
AbdulSleeky:


The same Apostate Prophet.
How please,that was how one Cosmic Skeptic boy said Hijab bullied him too until Hijab explained himself and everyone saw Cosmic Skeptic was just trying to gain sympathy
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Comedian2019: 11:11am On Sep 04, 2020
Xmuslim:
Insecure religion.

A religion that doesn't agree to the freedom of choice. Is that one true religion
That's why their topics are not accessible until you aceept that clause. Very insecure ant extreme people.
NL needs to make every topic open. If a religion is hidden, then something is definitely wrong about it.

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Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Bimpe29: 11:11am On Sep 04, 2020
Aameena Yaa Allah.
Kherdija:
Oh Allah,I ask for your protection from making shrik with you while i know,and I ask your forgiveness for what i did not know.
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Kubernetes: 11:14am On Sep 04, 2020
Xmuslim:


But people are free to leave other religion for Islam right? How do you guys think?

Self Righteousness is one of the problems of abrahamic religions. You always think your own religion is the ultimate truth


There is a no compulsion in religion.
There are people that toy with Islam,they convert to freely at will without internal conviction or for some personal reasons relating to gaining something.Such people are called Munafiqun and will be dealt with according to the appostatic law.
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by sulasa07(m): 11:14am On Sep 04, 2020
Comedian2019:

That's why their topics are not accessible until you aceept that clause. Very insecure ant extreme people.
NL needs to make every topic open. If a religion is hidden, then something is definitely wrong about it.
What is not acceptable,are you not in the platform now or you don't have Google to research for yourself
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Comedian2019: 11:16am On Sep 04, 2020
Lukgaf:
We do not think so. That is the truth. Islam is the true religion. Do your research wella
Just as bh think. Hmmm!

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Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Abdunzhaleel: 11:20am On Sep 04, 2020
Mashaallah
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by AbLegend: 11:25am On Sep 04, 2020
some fools just jump on ever Muslims thread without any reasons to bash
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by AbLegend: 11:25am On Sep 04, 2020
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Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by TheLasyBuddha: 11:25am On Sep 04, 2020
It is important to note the Qur'an was written centuries ago. Some of the verses fitted well with the culture and practices of the time it was first written (or passed down divinely from Allah to Prophet Muhammad [SAW]). The sin of apostasy may have been taken really seriously and adjudged as one of the grave sins in Islam. But the world has evolved past that era, it is the duty of Muslims of today to interpret the Qur'an in a way that reflects and suits the culture and practices of today or better still, do not consider it as a Sunna or raise it up during Friday's Khutbah.

This is also the case for Christianity and the Bible; there are some verses in it that are no applicable today because they fundamentally undermine the inherent dignity of a person. Surely, a rapists isn't expected to marry their victims, but this is a command in the Bible that, today, isn't applicable.

The world is changing. Some practices should be forgone and embrace progress in serving God (Allah). Importantly, let us be respect to others. For the choices they make in life. Guide them when they should be.

For non-Muslims, it is important we practice tolerance and show respect towards people's faith. Question their teachings respectful and present your opnions in a non-intrusive manner.
I'm not even a Muslim or a Christian. I don't practice religion but I acknowledge and I am sensitive to people's religious leanings.

The goal in life is to be better people, in whichever spiritual path we choose to follow.



May we all live and let live.



Love and light to everyone.

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Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Abdunzhaleel: 11:28am On Sep 04, 2020
Xmuslim:
this single law of apostay is enough for any rational human to leave Islam.

By the way, I was a Muslim for your information. I am happy I left the cult.


Aal-e-Imran 3:176

وَلَا يَحْزُنكَ ٱلَّذِينَ يُسَٰرِعُونَ فِى ٱلْكُفْرِۚ إِنَّهُمْ لَن يَضُرُّوا۟ ٱللَّهَ شَيْـًٔاۗ يُرِيدُ ٱللَّهُ أَلَّا يَجْعَلَ لَهُمْ حَظًّا فِى ٱلْءَاخِرَةِۖ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ

And do not be grieved, [O Muhammad], by those who hasten into disbelief. Indeed, they will never harm Allah at all. Allah intends that He should give them no share in the Hereafter, and for them is a great punishment.






Aal-e-Imran 3:177

إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ ٱشْتَرَوُا۟ ٱلْكُفْرَ بِٱلْإِيمَٰنِ لَن يَضُرُّوا۟ ٱللَّهَ شَيْـًٔا وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ

Indeed, those who purchase disbelief [in exchange] for faith - never will they harm Allah at all, and for them is a painful punishment.





Aal-e-Imran 3:178

وَلَا يَحْسَبَنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا۟ أَنَّمَا نُمْلِى لَهُمْ خَيْرٌ لِّأَنفُسِهِمْۚ إِنَّمَا نُمْلِى لَهُمْ لِيَزْدَادُوٓا۟ إِثْمًاۚ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ مُّهِينٌ

And let not those who disbelieve ever think that [because] We extend their time [of enjoyment] it is better for them. We only extend it for them so that they may increase in sin, and for them is a humiliating punishment.
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by TheLasyBuddha: 11:31am On Sep 04, 2020
Lukgaf:
We do not think so. That is the truth. Islam is the true religion. Do your research wella

Religion is based on belief and not pure, researchable and measurable facts. Islam means a lot to Muslims as other religions mean so much to its adherents.

Islam is the a true religion. Do your research wella.
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Farki: 11:32am On Sep 04, 2020
Xmuslim:
Insecure religion.

A religion that doesn't agree to the freedom of choice. Is that one true religion

Remember this thread when people say "There is no compulsion in Islam".

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