Xmuslim:


Back to the main argument. That verse that says Allah misguide whom he will is not justifiable. If he give them free will, why does he need to increase their misguidance?why can't he just let them be. He even place a seal to their heart. Many things are wrong with Qur'an and Islam

Abdunzhaleel:




This verse doesn't mean that we humans don't have free will. It means that after sending clear verses and signs to the people, Allah guides those who strive to be guided to the truth and doesn't guide those who do not strive to the truth.
Ibrahim 14:4

وَمَآ أَرْسَلْنَا مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا بِلِسَانِ قَوْمِهِۦ لِيُبَيِّنَ لَهُمْۖ فَيُضِلُّ ٱللَّهُ مَن يَشَآءُ وَيَهْدِى مَن يَشَآءُۚ وَهُوَ ٱلْعَزِيزُ ٱلْحَكِيمُ

And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and Allah sends astray [thereby] whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.



Allah says.
Al-'Ankabut 29:69

وَٱلَّذِينَ جَٰهَدُوا۟ فِينَا لَنَهْدِيَنَّهُمْ سُبُلَنَاۚ وَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَمَعَ ٱلْمُحْسِنِينَ

And those who strive for Us - We will surely guide them to Our ways. And indeed, Allah is with the doers of good.








These verses back my claim that we humans have free will. Whether or not to follow Allah's words is our choice.

Al-Kahf 18:29

وَقُلِ ٱلْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكُمْۖ فَمَن شَآءَ فَلْيُؤْمِن وَمَن شَآءَ فَلْيَكْفُرْۚ إِنَّآ أَعْتَدْنَا لِلظَّٰلِمِينَ نَارًا أَحَاطَ بِهِمْ سُرَادِقُهَاۚ وَإِن يَسْتَغِيثُوا۟ يُغَاثُوا۟ بِمَآءٍ كَٱلْمُهْلِ يَشْوِى ٱلْوُجُوهَۚ بِئْسَ ٱلشَّرَابُ وَسَآءَتْ مُرْتَفَقًا

And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose walls will surround them. .



Al-Furqan 25:57

قُلْ مَآ أَسْـَٔلُكُمْ عَلَيْهِ مِنْ أَجْرٍ إِلَّا مَن شَآءَ أَن يَتَّخِذَ إِلَىٰ رَبِّهِۦ سَبِيلًا

Say, "I do not ask of you for it any payment - only that whoever wills might take to his Lord a way."



Al-Muzzammil 73:19

إِنَّ هَٰذِهِۦ تَذْكِرَةٌۖ فَمَن شَآءَ ٱتَّخَذَ إِلَىٰ رَبِّهِۦ سَبِيلًا

Indeed, this is a reminder, so whoever wills may take to his Lord a way.

'Abasa 80:11-12

كَلَّآ إِنَّهَا تَذْكِرَةٌ

No! Indeed, these verses are a reminder;'

فَمَن شَآءَ ذَكَرَهُۥ

So whoever wills may remember it.

Lukgaf:
Yes, there is no compulsion in religion before joining. But immediately you join the religion, you have accepted all the rulings including to be punished when you commit apostasy

OtemAtum:
Amended gini? So you mean your old testament is now irrelevant. BTW, last time I checked, you guys still preach to us from both the old and new testament.

The recklessness of Jehovah your god in the past cannot be forgiven by the multitude of earth humans he has ignorantly destroyed

Currently Jehovah and Allah are in a spiritual cage where the gods of science have subjected them to

Abdunzhaleel:
Why didn't they follow the guidance when it came to them?
whether or not he increases their misguidance or not is not a point as they are disbelievers and their abode is hell!

Abdunzhaleel:
Why didn't they follow the guidance when it came to them?
whether or not he increases their misguidance or not is not a point as they are disbelievers and their abode is hell!

Abdunzhaleel:
Why didn't they follow the guidance when it came to them?

Xmuslim:


OK. Let me share my argument {when I was a Muslim) in support of that verse that says Allah misguide people.

Allah has seen the future and to him every thing has happened (though he did not force the event, he just knew them in advance) . Thus, Allah only misguide people that would chose wrong path even if Allah didn't influence their decision. Therefore, Allah only help them in their path to disbelief.

I later realised (after I left Islam) that it was a cognitive dissonance in that forced me into looking for excuses because that verse is unjustifiable

AkwaIbomMan:
it's a true religion according to the lies you inherited from your parents and they in turn inherited that deception from their fore fathers

Xmuslim:


how will you determine what guidance is.

Let me educate you a bit. Data shows that majority of people follow the religion of their parents because only a few can adopt another faith different from what has been indoctrinated into their brain from childhood.

You may think you have done some research and realised Islam is the truth. Christian will tell you same.

Do you really think that people will abandon Islam if they're sure that the ultimate consequence is eternal hell fire. . We left it because we're convinced that it's not the truth. Snap out of your delusion.

I'm extremely sure that I'm not going to burn in any hell if there is a God unless such God is unfair and evil

Xmuslim:
Insecure religion.

A religion that doesn't agree to the freedom of choice. Is that one true religion

chuose2:
Apostasy is punishable by death in Islam

If you leave Islam for Christianity you are considered an apostate

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Which means you are not worshiping the god of islam,
indirectly confirming the Christian God is not the same as the islamic allah

And we know that the Christian God is the Jewish God, which is not the islamic allah

hence we can say that allah is not the same as God


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG0h5cR_HnA

Abdunzhaleel:



Aal-e-Imran 3:176

وَلَا يَحْزُنكَ ٱلَّذِينَ يُسَٰرِعُونَ فِى ٱلْكُفْرِۚ إِنَّهُمْ لَن يَضُرُّوا۟ ٱللَّهَ شَيْـًٔاۗ يُرِيدُ ٱللَّهُ أَلَّا يَجْعَلَ لَهُمْ حَظًّا فِى ٱلْءَاخِرَةِۖ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ

And do not be grieved, [O Muhammad], by those who hasten into disbelief. Indeed, they will never harm Allah at all. Allah intends that He should give them no share in the Hereafter, and for them is a great punishment.






Aal-e-Imran 3:177

إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ ٱشْتَرَوُا۟ ٱلْكُفْرَ بِٱلْإِيمَٰنِ لَن يَضُرُّوا۟ ٱللَّهَ شَيْـًٔا وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ

Indeed, those who purchase disbelief [in exchange] for faith - never will they harm Allah at all, and for them is a painful punishment.





Aal-e-Imran 3:178

وَلَا يَحْسَبَنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا۟ أَنَّمَا نُمْلِى لَهُمْ خَيْرٌ لِّأَنفُسِهِمْۚ إِنَّمَا نُمْلِى لَهُمْ لِيَزْدَادُوٓا۟ إِثْمًاۚ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ مُّهِينٌ

And let not those who disbelieve ever think that [because] We extend their time [of enjoyment] it is better for them. We only extend it for them so that they may increase in sin, and for them is a humiliating punishment.

chinchonglee:

Some laws in the old testament were ammended by jesus in the new testament and the church dnt preach dose laws again

Xmuslim:


how will you determine what guidance is.

Let me educate you a bit. Data shows that majority of people follow the religion of their parents because only a few can adopt another faith different from what has been indoctrinated into their brain from childhood.

You may think you have done some research and realised Islam is the truth. Christian will tell you same.

Do you really think that people will abandon Islam if they're sure that the ultimate consequence is eternal hell fire. . We left it because we're convinced that it's not the truth. Snap out of your delusion.

I'm extremely sure that I'm not going to burn in any hell if there is a God unless such God is unfair and evil

OtemAtum:


Amend means to repair. So you mean that some of the laws made by your god were not good such that they needed amendment? Divine laws shouldn't have amendment. This again reveals the non-divinity of anything coming from the cavemen and their imprisoned god.

Xmuslim:
Apologies if any of my statements is harsh. I don't mean to offend Muslim.

My argument is against Islam not the innocent Muslims that are also a victim of this wrong ideology.

I also have family members that are stucked in this ideology. But I'm happy most of them are not very conservative like the OP

Numero9:
The word "religion" itself is a Cult coined by men to subjugate mankind, in order to gain control over them. They do this mostly by instilling fear in you after which they gain control of you, your people and your land by promising you pleasant afterlife. Christianity, Islam and the rest are the same.

Each telling you if you do not believe in them irrespective of how peaceful, decent, compassionate, and obedient to natural order and societal regulations, you're still going to hell because you do not "believe" in the 4200 religions in the world, some of which are older than Islam, Christianity, and even Abraham (the founder).

In summary, we all are going to hell in another person's religion. Peace!

Queenoffucks:
Idiots.





Fvck y'all.











Queenoffucks

Xmuslim:
jehovah is similar to Allah in his atrocities. Just that Christians have moved on from those barbaric laws of the old testament

Friend22:


Yes, those who refuse to obey and abide my Almighty God's last revelation-Qur'aan will go to hell.
And there no two ways about it!
If Christians call others who do not believe in their beliefs and call them heathens why should I compromise my religion when it's very clear.

If you are a Muslim you are saved ,bit if you are not you doomed.
Same way American believe no country is better than theirs that's how we Muslims believe no one will enter Paradise except you become a Muslim and why should I apologies or cow to your ideologies.
We are not going to water anything down for you people so it meets your ever erratic and contrived standards.