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Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Xmuslim: 11:39am On Sep 04, 2020 |
Abdunzhaleel: The fear of hell fire is why some of you will never realise the reality of life. Abrahamic religions and hell fire threat are 5 & 6. If there's hell fire, you and your prophet are more deserving of it because of your intolerance and atrocities. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Xmuslim: 11:41am On Sep 04, 2020 |
TheLasyBuddha:this is what I call sound mind . Bravo! |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by abdsamad(m): 11:41am On Sep 04, 2020 |
Please let's apply our sense to our religion. Allah will not think for us, that's why he gave us brains and he repeatedly challenged us to use those brains in several parts of the Quran. Leaving the religion, abusing the prophets or the Quran are not punishable by death. They're barely punishable at all. The traditions that are quoted often having missing contexts. Those who left the religion and were killed were not killed for leaving the religion but for other crimes. They didn't just leave the religion but they actively fought against it and plotted with those who wanted to kill the Muslims. So their deaths fall in treaso category rather than apostasy. Being executed for treason was a common practise that was used to protect the state, in many parts of the world. It wasn't about religion, it was about the state. Now we can have a separate discussion about capital punishment for treason but please let's not be misguided. You can't kill someone for abusing the prophet. The prophet, in his lifetime, did not kill people for abusing him otherwise the conquest of Makkah would have been a whole different story. If you want to exile someone from a majorly Muslim population because they're no longer Muslim, I can have that debate with you and i may even agree to some degree but taking someone's life is serious. If Allah needed people dead for not believing in him then he would kill them the second they stopped being Muslim but that's not the case so... Please... Hold your horses. As for islamqa, please be careful about what you read anywhere. Even the hadith require careful interpretation, much less someone's post on a website. Islamqa isn't infallible. As a rule, i would much rather disobey a hadith that says someone should be killed in favour of a lesser punishment than to wrongly harm someone that needn't be. May Allah guide us all 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Xmuslim: 11:43am On Sep 04, 2020 |
Farki:. And they will never tell a new convertee about this apostacy law. Imagine telling you that you are welcome to Islam, but know that you can't leave after this acceptance. If you attempt to leave, we are gonna kill you 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Abdunzhaleel: 11:44am On Sep 04, 2020 |
Rilwayne001: Brother you shouldn't talk like this if you're truly a Muslim. A Muslim is any person who submits to the will of Allah and his prophet in matters whether or not his mind is in agreement to what he is being Ordered by Allah. So far the command comes from Allah and his messenger, we must follow ! Allah says: Al-Ahzab 33:36 وَمَا كَانَ لِمُؤْمِنٍ وَلَا مُؤْمِنَةٍ إِذَا قَضَى ٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُۥٓ أَمْرًا أَن يَكُونَ لَهُمُ ٱلْخِيَرَةُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِمْۗ وَمَن يَعْصِ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ ضَلَٰلًا مُّبِينًا It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should [thereafter] have any choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error. A Muslim is supposed to be like this: Al-Baqarah 2:285 سمعنا و عطعنا " We hear and we obey. " |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by sulasa07(m): 11:46am On Sep 04, 2020 |
Xmuslim:You left and you are alive n well,who came for your head? |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Nobody: 11:47am On Sep 04, 2020 |
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Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Nobody: 11:48am On Sep 04, 2020 |
Xmuslim:There is no compulsion in Islam bro, If the judges or leaders decide for whatever reason not to execute the Culprit, and later on Allah shows him the light againt and he lives truely and dies in this path, then. Allah is oft forgiven most merciful. |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by freeborn02: 11:48am On Sep 04, 2020 |
Lukgaf: True religion that commits murder and put people in bondage. Islam is a cursed religion. You know it 5 Likes |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Xmuslim: 11:49am On Sep 04, 2020 |
Abdunzhaleel:you are extremely brainwashed. Did you see God when he was revealing those laws. Is it not what you inherited from your parents, community and scholars that you believed.? If you are convinced according to the Qur'an and hadith that you should join bok.o ha.ram I'm sure you will join. Are you human at all? Can't you think out of the box? Your type of thinking is the reason why we will continue to battle terrorism 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Xmuslim: 11:51am On Sep 04, 2020 |
Abdunzhaleel:are you a zombie . You hear and you obey without scrutiny. You are far from being a human my friend. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Abdunzhaleel: 11:53am On Sep 04, 2020 |
Xmuslim: Al-Baqarah 2:212 زُيِّنَ لِلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا۟ ٱلْحَيَوٰةُ ٱلدُّنْيَا وَيَسْخَرُونَ مِنَ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواۘ وَٱلَّذِينَ ٱتَّقَوْا۟ فَوْقَهُمْ يَوْمَ ٱلْقِيَٰمَةِۗ وَٱللَّهُ يَرْزُقُ مَن يَشَآءُ بِغَيْرِ حِسَابٍ Beautified for those who disbelieve is the life of this world, and they ridicule those who believe. But those who fear Allah are above them on the Day of Resurrection. And Allah gives provision to whom He wills without account. At-Taghabun 64:7 زَعَمَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا۟ أَن لَّن يُبْعَثُوا۟ۚ قُلْ بَلَىٰ وَرَبِّى لَتُبْعَثُنَّ ثُمَّ لَتُنَبَّؤُنَّ بِمَا عَمِلْتُمْۚ وَذَٰلِكَ عَلَى ٱللَّهِ يَسِيرٌ Those who disbelieve have claimed that they will never be resurrected. Say, "Yes, by my Lord, you will surely be resurrected; then you will surely be informed of what you did. And that, for Allah, is easy." Al-Baqarah 2:6 إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا۟ سَوَآءٌ عَلَيْهِمْ ءَأَنذَرْتَهُمْ أَمْ لَمْ تُنذِرْهُمْ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. Brother I've warned you.. Ghafir 40:70 ٱلَّذِينَ كَذَّبُوا۟ بِٱلْكِتَٰبِ وَبِمَآ أَرْسَلْنَا بِهِۦ رُسُلَنَاۖ فَسَوْفَ يَعْلَمُونَ Those who deny the Book and that with which We sent Our messengers - they are going to know, |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by blackjack21(m): 11:53am On Sep 04, 2020 |
Lukgaf: I don't think this is a about wether Islam is the true religion or not, that's entirely a different matter. Think of the apostasy law as "treason", and Islam as a "state"; you can see that most countries justifies death as punishment for treason because of the danger it pose to their nation. Those who come into your home, pledge allegiance to you, learn your way of life, then leave you (apostate) can be considered the most dangerous persons against you. When you make people afraid of their life and livelihood they are most likely to kill you. I have always seen Islam as very practical religion, not necessarily righteous. plus what about there's no compulsion in religion? |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Xmuslim: 11:55am On Sep 04, 2020 |
sulasa07:I'm alive because 1. I don't reveal my true identity. 2. I don't live in Northern Nigeria 10 Likes |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by chinchonglee(m): 11:58am On Sep 04, 2020 |
Akhirastriver:Dis thing too long! |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Abdunzhaleel: 11:58am On Sep 04, 2020 |
Xmuslim: Al-Baqarah 2:212 زُيِّنَ لِلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا۟ ٱلْحَيَوٰةُ ٱلدُّنْيَا وَيَسْخَرُونَ مِنَ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواۘ وَٱلَّذِينَ ٱتَّقَوْا۟ فَوْقَهُمْ يَوْمَ ٱلْقِيَٰمَةِۗ وَٱللَّهُ يَرْزُقُ مَن يَشَآءُ بِغَيْرِ حِسَابٍ "Beautified for those who disbelieve is the life of this world, and "they ridicule those who believe." But those who fear Allah are above them on the Day of Resurrection. And Allah gives provision to whom He wills without account. Al-Baqarah 2:256 لَآ إِكْرَاهَ فِى ٱلدِّينِۖ There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion!! Aal-e-Imran 3:32 قُلْ أَطِيعُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلرَّسُولَۖ فَإِن تَوَلَّوْا۟ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ ٱلْكَٰفِرِينَ Say, "Obey Allah and the Messenger." But if they turn away - then indeed, Allah does not like the disbelievers. An-Nisa' 4:59 يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ أَطِيعُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا۟ ٱلرَّسُولَ وَأُو۟لِى ٱلْأَمْرِ مِنكُمْۖ فَإِن تَنَٰزَعْتُمْ فِى شَىْءٍ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ وَٱلرَّسُولِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱللَّهِ وَٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْءَاخِرِۚ ذَٰلِكَ خَيْرٌ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلًا O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result. |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Xmuslim: 12:01pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
Abdunzhaleel: Stop quoting this incoherent book. I know everything inside of that book and I memorised many chapters. Snap out of it. ISLAM CANNOT STAND THE TEST OF TIME. Leave the cult and think with your brain 4 Likes |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by chinchonglee(m): 12:02pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
Akhirastriver:But denoucing ur citizenship as an American doesnt warrant death sentence right. There is a thick line between Betrayal and Denouncing! What u wrote up dere makes sense but only if the person betrays nt denounce. 3 Likes |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Abdunzhaleel: 12:05pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
Xmuslim: To the terrorism part, Allah says: Al-Ma'idah 5:32 ۥ مَن قَتَلَ نَفْسًۢا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ ٱلنَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَآ أَحْيَا ٱلنَّاسَ جَمِيعًاۚ whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. Islam cleanses itself from terrorism Bokoharam and other terrorists kill Muslim. They therefore don't represent Islam. Allah says: An-Nisa' 4:92 وَمَا كَانَ لِمُؤْمِنٍ أَن يَقْتُلَ مُؤْمِنًا إِلَّا خَطَـًٔاۚ And never is it for a believer to kill a believer except by mistake. |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Nobody: 12:06pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
Wait wait wait wait, the mods allowed this bullshit to touch front page, I h, one you all now see that Abrahamic religions are dangerous and akin to terrorism, just look at the rubbish some fool wrote years ago and morons are happily swallowing it hook, line and sinker. Tufia. 3 Likes |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Akhirastriver(m): 12:06pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
chinchonglee:Wat does spies spying on their own country portray ,patriotism? Read well |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Nobody: 12:06pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
Abdunzhaleel:So a believer can kill an unbeliever 1 Like |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Xmuslim: 12:07pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
Abdunzhaleel: I'm a rational human and that's our difference. I question everything presented to me. Despite being born to a very Islamic family and despite my adoption of sunni Islam. I later realised that my logic was flawed and I left. I don't have to agree with a book that was written before I was born. The onus is on me to scrutinise the book and the belief. If it doesn't make sense, I don't have to be afraid of the threat in that book. I have confirmed that Islam is false, same as Christianity. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Xmuslim: 12:10pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
Abdunzhaleel:suratul maida verse was talking about jew. Quote it from the beginning of the verse. Stop hypocricy. "Because of this, we ordained on the children of Israel that whoever kill.. Bla bla" And the second verse in suratul nisa was addressing Muslim. It does not say you can't kill non Muslims
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Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Nobody: 12:13pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
chinchonglee:Go and read your Bible again. God told the Israelites to stone unbelievers, your god even allows slavery. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Abdunzhaleel: 12:14pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
Xmuslim: Brother I don't think I can help you. I can only Pray to Allah to guide you. Allah says Ibrahim 14:4 ْۖ فَيُضِلُّ ٱللَّهُ مَن يَشَآءُ وَيَهْدِى مَن يَشَآءُۚ وَهُوَ ٱلْعَزِيزُ ٱلْحَكِيمُ , and Allah sends astray [thereby] whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise. |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by chinchonglee(m): 12:15pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
SegFault:The new law is bae! Christianity has gone past that a long time. Jesus preaches forgiveness. Islam is still dwelling in old laws.. killing anyhow 5 Likes |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Xmuslim: 12:15pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
SegFault:we are in a deep mess. 1 Like |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Abdunzhaleel: 12:17pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
SegFault: Al-Ma'idah 5:32 ُۥ مَن قَتَلَ نَفْسًۢا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ ٱلنَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَآ أَحْيَا ٱلنَّاسَ جَمِيعًاۚ وَلَقَدْ جَآءَتْهُمْ رُسُلُنَا بِٱلْبَيِّنَٰتِ ثُمَّ إِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنْهُم بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ لَمُسْرِفُونَ whoever kills a soul( Muslims,Christians and others) unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors. |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by OtemAtum: 12:20pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
chinchonglee:Read through the old testament and tell me reasons why you think I should still cancel Jehovah's name. |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Nobody: 12:21pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
chinchonglee:But the same Jesus said he hasn't come to do away with the old laws Or am I missing something. And let us not even peek back into Christianity's ugly past (Jewish pogroms, Burning and killing of witches, the Crusades, tortures in the name of confessions, killing of heretics, etc) the madness of muslims began recently. 1 Like |
Re: Why An Apostasy A Grievous Sin In Islam? by Xmuslim: 12:21pm On Sep 04, 2020 |
Abdunzhaleel: Let me ask you this. I was once a member of ihkwani ideological group and even though the group did not agree with Boko Haram, it also has islamisation agenda. According to the belief, Muslims should have it in his mind that one day he will fight unbelievers and establish sharia. The only thing stopping us was that the conditions were not yet met for us to wage war (jihad). I can't quote all supporting hadith and verses, but this concept is clear to every sunni Muslims. Do you agree with this concept? That if there is a Muslim leader to lead you guys to fight tomorrow and you have what it takes to face the government, 1. you will fight and kill non Muslim males 2. Enslave their wives and daughters and rape them Etc. 3 Likes 1 Share |
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