Lukgaf:
The ruling of execution because of a word that somebody utters is what the Muslim scholars call al-riddah (apostasy).
What is apostasy and what constitutes apostasy?
What is the ruling on the apostate (al-murtadd)?

"Islam is a true religion not like a shop or store which a person can enter when he wants and leave when he wants, thus encouraging others to forsake the truth."


https://islamqa.info/en/answers/20327/why-is-the-apostate-to-be-executed-in-islam

Canberra55:

If your religion is not from Satan the devil and the same religion allows the killing of a person that leaves Islam, I want you to give simple, clear answers to these questions: 1) How do you explain what the Quran says "There is no compulsion in religion (Sarah 2:256)"? Please don't tell me the message in that verse is taken out of context or the verse only applies to Mohammed times because the Islam of his era remains the same today and appatates are still being killed in Islamic countries today.

(2) In the world today we have Christians, Hindus, bhuddists etc leaving their religions to join Islam. My question : if their respective religions had laws that say THEY MUST BE KILLED FOR LEAVING THEIR ORIGINAL RELIGIONS, how would they have had the chance to become Islams if they were killed ?

(3) The Quran, in Surah 48:2 clearly says "...Allah may forgive Mohammed's PAST AND FUTURE SINS .... "
clearly lets us know that Mohammed was a man that committed sins during his lifetime while Sarah 19:19 also tells us that JESUS IS SINLESS.

QUESTION : WHY DO MUSLIMS STILL BELIEVE THAT MOHAMMED WAS THE GREATEST MAN TO EVER WALK THIS PLANET ?

ALSO, WHY do Muslims choose to follow a sinful man ( Mohammed) as an example to model their lives after when they could have chosen A SINLESS MAN in Jesus?


thank you and God bless. Please make sure you use your brain : think before answering.

Lukgaf:
Unfortunately your questions did not seem to be from someone that wish to learn. Even if I answer all of these your questions, you will still not be objective in your judgement. So, why should I waste my precious time engaging you?

Lukgaf:
Unfortunately your questions did not seem to be from someone that wish to learn. Even if I answer all of these your questions, you will still not be objective in your judgement. So, why should I waste my precious time engaging you?

Abdunzhaleel:



Brother you shouldn't talk like this if you're truly a Muslim. A Muslim is any person who submits to the will of Allah and his prophet in matters whether or not his mind is in agreement to what he is being Ordered by Allah. So far the command comes from Allah and his messenger, we must follow ! Allah says:

Al-Ahzab 33:36

وَمَا كَانَ لِمُؤْمِنٍ وَلَا مُؤْمِنَةٍ إِذَا قَضَى ٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُۥٓ أَمْرًا أَن يَكُونَ لَهُمُ ٱلْخِيَرَةُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِمْۗ وَمَن يَعْصِ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ ضَلَٰلًا مُّبِينًا

It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should [thereafter] have any choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error.


A Muslim is supposed to be like this:

Al-Baqarah 2:285
سمعنا و عطعنا
" We hear and we obey. "

sulasa07:

You left and you are alive n well,who came for your head?

Abdunzhaleel:



Al-Ma'idah 5:32

ُۥ مَن قَتَلَ نَفْسًۢا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ ٱلنَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَآ أَحْيَا ٱلنَّاسَ جَمِيعًاۚ وَلَقَدْ جَآءَتْهُمْ رُسُلُنَا بِٱلْبَيِّنَٰتِ ثُمَّ إِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنْهُم بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ لَمُسْرِفُونَ

whoever kills a soul( Muslims,Christians and others) unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

Lukgaf:
Yes, there is no compulsion in religion before joining. But immediately you join the religion, you have accepted all the rulings including to be punished when you commit apostasy

Are you normally courageous enough to warn them about it before they accept Islam.? What kind of Allah commands you to worship IT even when you don't feel like continuing? I don't understand how you can force people into a continual worship of what they don't like.

motayoayinde:
STOP THE LIES KADARIA IS STILL A MUSLIM.
THIS LIE HAS BEEN BUSTED.

Canberra55:


How do you deliberately avoid quoting all the full verse? Must you play Taqiya all your life? Be 100 for once. You're just posting only half of the verse that sounds beautiful and deliberately ignoring the fact it says about Israelites.

abdsamad:


This thing doesn't need to be so controversial.
You're no longer a muslim and that should be okay.
As long as it is a honest and well thought out decision. Same goes for those who choose to become or remain muslim.

I don't know what anyone's judgement will be, not mine and not yours. I don't think I'm better than you because I'm a muslim. If we can refrain from insulting one another, if we can respect each other then we would have more common ground

Abdunzhaleel:
Allah won't mention anything in the Quran except it's beneficial for us and wants us to derrive lessons from it!
Anthing mentioned in the Quran applies to us except proven otherwise from the Quran and hadith! So bring your proof that we muslims are exempted!

Xmuslim:


I don't enjoy much back and forth either. But fighting bad idea is a must for us human.


I don't care if anyone is a Muslim or non Muslim. But bad idea in the religion is what I am against. Killing someone that abuse one desert Arab man that died 1400+ years ago is a bad idea and it is not good for our society as a human.

Lukgaf:
Yes, there is no compulsion in religion before joining. But immediately you join the religion, you have accepted all the rulings including to be punished when you commit apostasy

Rilwayne001:
The TRUTH never need FORCE to validate itself. You don't need to enforce anyone to validate the truth. Hence 'THERE'S NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION'.

The ruling on killing those who leave Islam in a generally Islamic State makes sense, albeit for the sole reason he tries to spread his cancer amongst other Ummah. But in this case, nothing of such is evident.

And killing a mad man for his madness doesn't help him or give him second chance. And even so, an insult to the attributes of a supreme GOD. Because God Almighty in beyond all these petty things. Only the human mind would bring itself this low.

AbdulSleeky:

How did I miss this?
So, Rilwayne001, you are saying that someone who leaves islam to become a christian or atheist, then goes around preaching christianity or atheism should be killed?
Wow. Such barbarism!

Rilwayne001:
I see you've been going around mentioning me like I know you from anywhere. But I'll only reply you once and that'll be the final.



My choice of words states "IN A GENERALLY ISLAMIC STATE", this automatically means, Islam is the major religion of such society, maybe like 99% of the population are Muslims, hence we can safely assume, the Constitution of such country, customs and mores are built solidly on Islamic tenets and laws. Going against such constitution and laws to the extent you try to spread your criticism of what these 99% hold very dear to their heart would be tantamount to TREASON. Or is there any other way you want to see that? Even you cannot go to Vatican and start building mosque or going about preaching atheism, it'd be a total insult on the government and constitution of the island.

Besides, my argument isn't in support of blasphemy law, (I believe God is beyond what we attribute to him) rather apostasy law. Even so, i believe, apostaste can only be dealt with whereby he resorted to treason by acting in such a way to topple the government, or going about forming and army that'll in turn come back to try to topple the government. A typical example is Nnamdi Kanu and the IPOB situation. Tbaba created a thread that like that fully explained the exception for which an apostate can be killed this in the past.
Reminds me of the saying, "when you are in Rome, you act like Romans". Not like You go about insulting Rome government of being foolish, that's treason.

I only disagree with this Kano issue because Nigeria isn't a generally Islamic State. Kano isn't q generally Islamic province, hence they cannot be selective and ridiculous in their decision making. Whatever decision they make should be based on the Nigerian Constitution and not what they want us to believe even when they are not using the same for their politicians who constantly steal their money.

Xmuslim:
jehovah is similar to Allah in his atrocities. Just that Christians have moved on from those barbaric laws of the old testament

Lukgaf:
We do not think so. That is the truth. Islam is the true religion. Do your research wella

AbdulSleeky:




You and your Muslim brother, Empiree, are very good at conflating two very different aspects of laws and ending up with nonsense.


Treason is very different from apostasy. I dont see how preaching christianity or atheism can be treasonous in an islamic state.

Preaching christianity or atheism does not stop the islamic government from running. The islamic government can call apostasy illegal but it is not treasonous.

IPOB is literally dividing the country and stopping Nigeria to exist as it currently does. It stops the government from running.

Apostasy is not a bad thing. People should be able to leave religion.


The question now remains- what if the apostate keeps his apostasy to only his family? Should he still be arrested and killed?

Canberra55:


.Go to Kano or Sokoto. No that time you go know the real Muslims.