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Ikenna351:
You do realise you contradicted yourself. If you knew all Brands/cars have their pros and cons (positives and negatives), how come you didn't point out the positives of the Edge he indicated interest in? Instead you condemned the car completely with the long "No". An expert on the Ford brand will point out the positives and negatives concerning the Edge model the person is interested in and let the perosn decides if he/she is comfortable with the negatives and excited with the positives or simply walk away from the car for something else. You didn't give him that chance to make his choice and decision from options he is to be made aware of.

The thing with Japanese fans is they see nothing wrong with their brands yet always eager to jump in and condemn other brands. You claimed there were a lot of recalls on the car, what about the thousands or millions of Japanese brands/cars they recall yearly. You forgot to mention that as well? So if it's safe for people to buy the frequent recalled Japanese cars, why is it a problem to buy recalled Ford vehicles? Why singling out Ford only as if the Asian brands are saint in this matter you raised?

This idea of reliability when it comes to cars is stuppid to me, because its subjective. Hundreds, if not thousands, of foreign used (tokunbo) Japanese engines and automatic gearboxes are brought into Apo markets here in Abuja weekly. Yet, they are sold off within a week or so and another hundred or thousand batch are brought in the coming or subsequent weeks. Who are buying off these Japanese engines and automatic gearboxes from the sellers? Do people purchased and replaced a perfectly working engines and automatic gearboxes with used ones if they didn't fail? Yet these people would tell you there cars are so reliable even though they probably have replaced the engines, auto gearboxes or both twice, including everyone around them.

I know some Toyota Camry users that carry spare engine oil in their booths daily for top up. They top up their engine oils weekly more than they top up fuel tank, yet they only see problems with other brands and not theirs staring them back on their faces up and close.

If you are all for Japanese cars, there is nothing wrong with that. But understand that no matter how good you think they are, some people will prefer something different. Not every man wants to live by other people choice. I for one is a living example.

Ikenna351, Lion King - Monk.

radautoworks:
I agree with you 100% if you want to get a lot of features for cheap, ford is your brand. ... I have owned only ford excursion, expedition and many E350s that we even exported to Nigeria because I know them from experience to be durable even if gas mileage SUCKS. The expedition for me is borderline but the excursion and the E350s are the best Fords.

radautoworks:
No doubt they load them with features on the cheap but fit and finish and quality is just not there. .

radautoworks:
They make some NICE looking cars but when it comes to reliability they get crushed. Again, I said for the MODEL he asked for, a resounding NO. it's a money pit.

EDIT: I should add that when it comes to the big engines (V8 and up) and DIESEL, ford is ahead of the game. Their F350 trucks and E series vans are workhorses and will last forever as long as you do routine maintenance.

sultaan:
It has become a dick measuring contest, soon might turn to how far can your pee go contest.

None of these distraction will give meaningful content to other users trying to educate themselves about cars.

This is the thread for Fords and three are others for other brands.

Takata airbags affected a lot of brands.
If Ford use transmission from Aisin that is partly owned by Toyota, and Jaguars, Toyota has transmission from the same supplier how do you claim for is bad?

I think we should stick to the possibilities of what can go wrong with a ford model and the cost of correcting such things.

valarinz:
Truth is : for every car model in this planet, if you look hard enough you'll find sites with negative consumer complaints to screenshot, doesn't prove anything.

It will be fine if we left the dick measuring contests though and concentrate on the cars that brought us here

radautoworks:
I agree. Back to the original question that led us here due to overzealous reactions, IF you were to get a Ford edge, would you get the first edition?

radautoworks:
For context, that's shop number 2 in Houston for 15 years. This thread is shop number 3 in Nigeria with 9 more coming. It's obvious like you keep saying that I don't know what I'm doing.

Please tell me, all those Fords you are fixing, is your work warrantied or people just keep paying while you trial and error to figure things out? Can you actually diagnose and give an estimate that remains fixed for the repair before starting repair or is it nickel and dime as you go along? My labor is warrantied 90 days on ALL jobs. When we rebuild engines or transmissions -do you rebuild or na so so change-change you sabi- it's a one year warranty. What warranty does your engine work carry?

My friend, since you decided to reject the olive branch and it seems like na to die upon this matter dey do you when you said Ford is as important as your family, I've decided you are not worth the time and my time is better spent with my family who I haven't seen in 8 months. If I choose to debate, it will be someone in the same footing. You and I are not the same. This will be my last post to you.Go start from the beginning of my thread maybe you will receive sense.

P.S: see how easy to read my response was? Using big words does not make you seem more intelligent especially when you use them incorrectly. Please practice for your future interactions so people don't get a headache trying to follow your writing.


https://www.autolist.com/guides/most-reliable-car-brands

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/most-reliable-used-cars-under-10000

Sultaan and ozone0801 this is what I was talking about when I told someone to stay away from first generation ford edge and stated reaping insults because of it. I wouldn't have posted the actual TSBs and recall notifications but they are way too many and lengthy. The links below summarize them in an easy to read way.

https://www.cashcarsbuyer.com/ford-edge-problems/#

and

https://www.samarins.com/reviews/edge.html

And

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/what-ford-edge-problems-are-most-common/

radautoworks:
For context, that's shop number 2 in Houston for 15 years. This thread is shop number 3 in Nigeria with 9 more coming. It's obvious like you keep saying that I don't know what I'm doing.

Please tell me, all those Fords you are fixing, is your work warrantied or people just keep paying while you trial and error to figure things out? Can you actually diagnose and give an estimate that remains fixed for the repair before starting repair or is it nickel and dime as you go along? My labor is warrantied 90 days on ALL jobs. When we rebuild engines or transmissions -do you rebuild or na so so change-change you sabi- it's a one year warranty. What warranty does your engine work carry?

My friend, since you decided to reject the olive branch and it seems like na to die upon this matter dey do you when you said Ford is as important as your family, I've decided you are not worth the time and my time is better spent with my family who I haven't seen in 8 months. If I choose to debate, it will be someone in the same footing. You and I are not the same. This will be my last post to you.Go start from the beginning of my thread maybe you will receive sense.

P.S: see how easy to read my response was? Using big words does not make you seem more intelligent especially when you use them incorrectly. Please practice for your future interactions so people don't get a headache trying to follow your writing.


https://www.autolist.com/guides/most-reliable-car-brands

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/most-reliable-used-cars-under-10000

Sultaan and ozone0801 this is what I was talking about when I told someone to stay away from first generation ford edge and stated reaping insults because of it. I wouldn't have posted the actual TSBs and recall notifications but they are way too many and lengthy. The links below summarize them in an easy to read way.

https://www.cashcarsbuyer.com/ford-edge-problems/#

and

https://www.samarins.com/reviews/edge.html

And

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/what-ford-edge-problems-are-most-common/

radautoworks:
NO PROS YOU SAY... WHAT'S THAT ABOVE? Also, where did I say anything about japanese cars? For that matter, where did I say ALL Fords?

radautoworks:
The above are not consumer complaints. They are official TSBs and recalls about the first generation ford which you asked about ozone0801

radautoworks:
NO PROS YOU SAY... WHAT'S THAT ABOVE? Also, where did I say anything about japanese cars? For that matter, where did I say ALL Fords?

valarinz:
Truth is : for every car model in this planet, if you look hard enough you'll find sites with negative consumer complaints to screenshot, doesn't prove anything.

It will be fine if we left the dick measuring contests though and concentrate on the cars that brought us here

valarinz:
If budget were a constraint then why not, else I'll go for the second generation, they're cuter and more loaded.

As for the other questions of consumer complaints and reliability, you'll have to understand that most Nigerians buy these cars when they're at the last lap of their lifetime anyways, we mostly don't care about all those things that bothers the westerners (eg plastic interior build quality etc).

We just want something that looks good and can take us from point A to B and we'll find a way to keep it that way till the car finally gives up. The first generation Ford Edge still does that quite well over here in naija.

Also note that most of those complaints that are on the screenshot you provided must have been handled already(via the recalls mentioned and by the owners abroad) before the car even gets to naija(we buy mainly used or salvage cars) , you'll mostly have to worry about those stuffs if you're buying brand new.

Ikenna351:
Yes, you didn't state any positive concerning the first generation Edge (even in your posts above you quoted as an evidence). And I mentioned Japanese vehicles because that's where it's usually lead to from people claiming other cars in other brands are not reliable.

If you are to define reliability to me, are you saying Japanese vehicles with automatic transmission issues don't visit your workshop? All these threads & posts littered in Car Talk concerning Automatic transmission issues, what percentage of them are Ford Edge and what percentage are Japanese vehicles? Who is buying of those Japanese Automatic gearboxes and Engines they are shipping in in hundreds and thousands weekly/monthly? If there is no demand for them, why would the sellers invest in such businesses, when there are other brands? If they are not failing or giving the owners issues, why are they replacing them? Why single out Edge as only vehicle with automatic gearbox or Engine issues when reality in Nigeria (Abuja to be specific) proves otherwise?

First generation Ford Edge had 3 different petrol engines? If one of the engines is prone to issues, are you saying the rest of the two are as well?

First generation Ford Edge production lasted for about 8 years. Are you saying there was no improvement and changes between or from the 2007 - 2014 productions? If yes, isn't it the Ford specialist to point out those improvement rather than condemn all first generation Ford Edge? Isn't it obvious you simply don't like the vehicle and basing your professional advice on personal preference rather than objectivity?

80% of the time, issues used vehicle owners go through or experience are usually non related or different from initial complaints first users lamented, like the one you screenshot and attached. A Ford specialist would have no business with online car reviews, for he would experience things differently while on the practical.

As for the build quality of the first generation Edge, I can't tell if it was advertised and sold as a premium vehicle. Was it?

There were so many negative online reviews or things said about all Peugeot Vehicles I currently own or have owned, yet I have never experienced any of them, even as they age daily. Do you think I would based my knowledge and professional/expert recommendations to other people on Peugeot cars to buy or not to buy based on those online reviews or knowledge gathered from my own personal experiences and experiences gathered diagnosing, repairing or working on other people Peugeot vehicles?

I mean, I know two women that own this first generation Ford Edge here in Abuja and they don't look miserable to me. If this generation of Ford Edge is as bad as you claimed, the misery will tell on them. Because of this, I will talk to one of them about her ownership experience so far on the vehicle and post her response here, no matter how positive or negative they are.

I will also look for some online positive reviews from users of this particular Edge generation, screenshot and attach them here as well. Focusing, posting and pointing out only the negatives means you really not an expert on the brand. Leave it for one who is to do his thing.

People were complaining in the past that they have no access to Ford technicians or specialists. Now someone is providing that solution, but you don't seem to like it. Ford is his passion, he said, what's wrong with that? If your own career is your passion as well, who gets to decide whose passion is bad or inferior?

This thread is about stepping out of the norm (popular car brands in Nigeria). I like and encourage people like that in their venture. Not every man has "follow-follow" mentality. Again, I for one is a living example. If you are not ok that Ford is his passion and happiness, what would you say about Me and Peugeot?

Ikenna351, Lion King - Monk.

radautoworks:
Based on consideration of the bolded paragraph, I cede the argument to you

radautoworks:
Based on consideration of the bolded paragraph, I cede the argument to you

radautoworks:
For context, that's shop number 2 in Houston for 15 years. This thread is shop number 3 in Nigeria with 9 more coming. It's obvious like you keep saying that I don't know what I'm doing.

Please tell me, all those Fords you are fixing, is your work warrantied or people just keep paying while you trial and error to figure things out? Can you actually diagnose and give an estimate that [b]remains fixed for the repair before starting repair or is it nickel and dime as you go along? My labor is warrantied 90 days on ALL jobs. When we rebuild engines or transmissions -do you rebuild or na so so change-change you sabi- it's a one year warranty. What warranty does your engine work carry?[/b]

My friend, since you decided to reject the olive branch and it seems like na to die upon this matter dey do you when you said Ford is as important as your family, I've decided you are not worth the time and my time is better spent with my family who I haven't seen in 8 months. If I choose to debate, it will be someone in the same footing. You and I are not the same. This will be my last post to you.Go start from the beginning of my thread maybe you will receive sense.

P.S: see how easy to read my response was? Using big words does not make you seem more intelligent especially when you use them incorrectly. Please practice for your future interactions so people don't get a headache trying to follow your writing.


https://www.autolist.com/guides/most-reliable-car-brands

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/most-reliable-used-cars-under-10000

Sultaan and ozone0801 this is what I was talking about when I told someone to stay away from first generation ford edge and stated reaping insults because of it. I wouldn't have posted the actual TSBs and recall notifications but they are way too many and lengthy. The links below summarize them in an easy to read way.

https://www.cashcarsbuyer.com/ford-edge-problems/#

and

https://www.samarins.com/reviews/edge.html

And

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/what-ford-edge-problems-are-most-common/

LeJeun3:


If I didnt know the OP, I would have been worried about this post. But being someone I have worked with both Professionally and otherwise I will resist the urge to Shalaye....


You give 90 days warranties, I give 1year warranties on engine rebuilds that where fully paid for with no discounts.....

TSBs and Recalls do not happen for us here in Nigeria because we majorly do not buy brand new cars and even when the cars are bought brand new, the dealerships find a way of wiggling out from fulfilling their duties....

henryskywalker2003:
Finally!!! Thank God. Now we are done, let's continue with our usual Ford talks.

isholapeter9:
Please how much is Ford fiesta engine only Cox the gear still select perfectly.
Thanks in anticipation sir.....

radautoworks:
Based on consideration of the bolded paragraph, I cede the argument to you

Ikenna351:
My Conversation With A Woman That Owns 1st Generation Ford Edge (21/09/2020)


Part 1 (Phone Call)

- Monk: Hello. So, someone is interested in buying a Ford Edge like yours. And since the brand is not my area of specialty, i decided to ask you since you are a user.
How is the Ownership Experience of your Edge has been so far?

- Woman: Honestly, I don't have anything to complain about the car.

- Monk: You mean no headache ascribed to the ownership of your Edge so far?

- Woman: Not at all. Of course, I have done some repairs on the car ever since I own it. But nothing major to complain of.

- Monk: You mean normal wear & tear?

- Woman: Yes.

- Monk: What About the Engine & Transmission? Has any shown sign of strange or peculiar issue?

- Woman: No. Both mine have never shown any anomaly I can think of. In fact, the A/C is powerful in chilling and never gave A/C problem (about 3 or more years of her ownership of the Edge).

- Monk: I think these are basically the things i wanted to ask you about the car.

- Woman: Ok. No problem.
However, the maintenance cost is higher compared to Toyota vehicles like RAV4 and others.

- Monk: You mean the cost of maintaining the Edge is higher than similar vehicles of Japanese brands?

- Woman: Exactly.
You remember i used to own Toyota RAV4 before i upgraded to the Edge.

- Monk: Yes, I remember.
Any other thing you would like me to tell the person concerning the Edge from your first hand experience in Nigeria?

- Woman: Well, I am a happy owner of the Ford Edge and never had course to regret the ownership. But I would suggest anyone interested in getting one should go for one in good condition to really enjoy the vehicle like I am enjoying mine.

- Monk: Ok. Thank you.




Part 2 (One-on-One)

Later in the day (towards evening), i met with her to continue the conversation:

- Monk: So, I saw your vehicle at Car Park and decided to come in and ask more questions.
What is the fuel consumption of your Ford Edge like?

- Woman: It's higher than my former vehicle (RAV4). Wouldn't know if it's because of the size though. But I gathered Vehicles in these sizes (CUV & SUV) usually consume higher.

- Monk: Yes, the size may contribute to the higher fuel consumption. It also can depend on Engine sizes or Engine powers, since your former vehicle had 4-cylinder engine. It's your Edge a V6?

- Woman: I wouldn't know if it's V6 or 4-cylinder.

- Monk: Likely a V6, because I saw All Wheel Drive badge on the vehicle.

- Woman: Where is the badge located on the vehicle?

- Monk: At the rear. I saw AWD badge today when I took close attention to your Edge for the first time. The AWD stands for the "All Wheel Drive".

- Woman: Ok. So what does it mean?

- Monk: It means each of the wheels on your Edge propels the vehicle (depending on the system design), unlike your RAV4 that had probably only 2 Wheels propelling the vehicle. The AWD usually consume more fuel than 2 wheel drive vehicles of same model and engines.

- Woman: I now understand what the badge means.
Notwithstanding, the difference in the fuel consumption with the RAV4 is not that big of a deal. It's really not much to complain of.

- Monk: Ok.
So, you said the maintenance cost is higher. How high? Can you give an example?

- Woman: Let's assume a part in my former RAV4 cost 50k. Same part in my Edge would cost about 60-65k.

- Monk: Ok.
What about the repairs you have done so far on the vehicle you talked about earlier. Can you point out the ones you consider major?

- Woman: Well, I have done suspension (shock absorber) repairs. Also, there was a time my steering (probably she meant rack) had issue. My former mechanic couldn't fix it well. I changed mechanic and started using a Ford mechanic that does only Ford Car repairs and he fixed the steering issue for good. I can't think of any other repairs or replacements worth mentioning.

- Monk: From all you have said, its not a bad car then.

- Woman: Yes, I am really happy to own the Edge.


*The conversation was not recorded, so the words above reflected how the conversation went down.

The attached image of Ford Edge below belongs to the woman in the conversation above.


Ikenna351, Lion King - Monk.

radautoworks:
I agree but I didn't start it. Do you agree that if you're going to get a Ford edge you shouldn't get the first edition? Because that was the genesis of all this.

LeJeun3:


If I didnt know the OP, I would have been worried about this post. But being someone I have worked with both Professionally and otherwise I will resist the urge to Shalaye....


You give 90 days warranties, I give 1year warranties on engine rebuilds that where fully paid for with no discounts.....

TSBs and Recalls do not happen for us here in Nigeria because we majorly do not buy brand new cars and even when the cars are bought brand new, the dealerships find a way of wiggling out from fulfilling their duties....

radautoworks:
90 day warranties on labor on any job. One year on rebuilds. Agree with you on TSBs. Before you judge, back up to see how we got here o. I think I was actually pretty restrained in my response

radautoworks:
90 day warranties on labor on any job. One year on rebuilds. Agree with you on TSBs. Before you judge, back up to see how we got here o. I think I was actually pretty restrained in my response