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You are going straight to hell!

CAPSLOCKED:
YOU MUST BE KIDDING ME.

I am not kidding you

[quote author=Akinboyowa post=94361501]honestly, u nt an athiest u knw y? because from your writeup I still sense sm principle of natural justice from your words.. God can do all things but talking from reality God will Neva do sm things for us you know y? because he has already given us d brain to do sm certain things[/quote]


@Emboldened,
Please could you explain this in plain English as if I am ten years old?? Thank you in advance.

Mutemenot:
You aren't alone, religion has done more harm than good. Infact it irritates .e when people talk of religion. My own religion is just to live good life

Religion has done more good than harm

China, USSR, north North Korea have killed more people than religious societies.

The education, science, helping the poor, hospitals and many benefits you enjoy today were all created by religion

Our bad country can easily turn one to doubt existence of God.

One nigeria turned out to be a big mistake.

Twelfthman:
At some point I was was thinking like you too and that is true with most other people as well but not until i had a divine encounter which drew me closer to God...
When you know God all your questions will be answered. Think of it as a father & son type of relationship.

@Emboldened,
Could you please explain and elaborate on how to KNOW God?
And by the way which of the known 4300 gods are we talking about here??

Dantedasz:
@Emboldened,
Could you please explain this to me as if I am ten years old??

For example for Christians, the 10 commandments is the yardstick for creating laws in a Christian society.

For traditional worshippers, the traditional laws is been used to creates rules on law and order, creating trust in society.

This also extends to islam and other religions.

Religion is the backbone for every society.

The laws brought trust, peace and a stable society

HeavenlyHolines:
I am a deeper life member also and I really thank God for the sound foundational doctrine I received years ago. Although I was religious then, going to retreats and other activities but not until I gave my life to Christ. Knowing God experientially is more superior than any Church philosophy.

I don't know for how long you have been a deeper life member or how old you are and I dont say this to disparage your belief. I ask because I remember back in the late 80s Mr Kumuyi who is the founder of Deeper life church forbid his church members to use television sets. In fact he labelled the television as a devil's instrument. Many of his church members believed this doctrine and Dug pits and buried their televisions in the ground like corpses. Others smashed their televisions to smithereens to serve the doctrine of Kumuyi and deeper life. Flash forward to the 2000s and the same Kumuyi is propagating his evangelical ministry through the same television which he labelled devilish in the 1980s.
Religion evolves as man evolves because all religions are created by MAN!

kingxsamz:
Good.
It means you're gradually coming back to your default state, and also to your senses.
We weren't born as Christians or Muslims.
We didn't uphold any belief whatsoever, not until we were fed fictional stories as facts.

In perfect agreement with you:
We aren't born knowledgeable too. We didn't have any kind of knowledge until we were inductrinated by the society. We should probably return to our default state of ignorance and life would be excellent!

Dantedasz:
I don't know for how long you have been a deeper life member or how old you are and I dont say this to disparage your belief. I ask because I remember back in the late 80s Mr Kumuyi who is the founder of Deeper life church forbid his church members to use television sets. In fact he labelled the television as a devil's instrument. Many of his church members believed this doctrine and Drug pits and buried their televisions in the ground like corpses. Others smashed their televisions to smithereens to serve the doctrine of Kumuyi and deeper life. Flash forward to the 2000s and the same Kumuyi is propagating his evangelical ministry through the same television which he labelled devilish in the 1980s.
Religion evolves as man evolves because all religions are created by MAN!

To be realistic, i actually like the not using the Tv.

Tv are visual and what you watch on tv can corrupt your mind, that is why even on tv there is parental control because even the makers know that if tv use is not controlled it can damage the mind of children.

See Tv as a propaganda instrument instead of a box for watching visual content then you will understand the dangers of Tv

Frenzy01:
I no longer believe in religion or going to church, this development is quite surprising due to my upbringing in a staunch Deeper life Christian home.

I find myself laughing sometimes unconsciously when someone mentions prayers as a solution to a problem.
Maybe this is due to the fact that I've prayed and fasted for years for a financial breakthrough but all to no avail.

The Word of God still works. Prayers get answers and lastly there is solution to every problem. Its obvious you no longer believe in the church you're attending.
Not that anything is wrong with them. It may be time to move to a new understanding . So Instead of leaving christ why not leave your churxh . Maybe
Your matter requires the ministry of a prophet or a deliverance minister. Or you need to seat under the teaching of a faith preacher or prosperity teaching .

When I see people that are less religious or morally corrupted doing well and presiding over the overly religious people, I feel bad the more.

There are principle of prosperity. Holiness and faithfulness don't necessarily bring prosperity. They have thier reward though. Lazarus was holy yet he died poor. You need the teaching on prosperity to prosper just as you need the teaching of healing to recive healing .

I don't wanna believe anymore in chopping life for heaven, I wanna Live a good life also here on Earth

I agree with you .

I hope I'm not going over the board?
I hope everything is still normal with me?

Your dissatisfaction may be a genuine godly desire to move up. But you need to be in the atmosphere that will help your faith . This may not be same for everybody because there are psople in your church who still propser there . But ee are looking at your own peculiar case and solution. But you have to be sure also that you're not facing a distraction. It can be a blessing blocker, especially if your desire are not towards things of godly value.


James 4:3
Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

HeavenlyHolines:
I am a deeper life member also and I really thank God for the sound foundational doctrine I received years ago. Although I was religious then, going to retreats and other activities but not until I gave my life to Christ. Knowing God experientially is more superior than any Church philosophy.

THANK YOU! Holy Spirit of the living God is an experience because He's the promise and blessed gift of the Father. Many nairaland and pulpit preachers don't acknowledge and preach about Him, instead the put more attention only on the letters that kills, rather than the Spirit who gives experiential and transformative life more abundantly. Biblical and spiritual ignorance is a disease!

@ Frenzy01 Change your focus, set your heart, and fix your eyes upon Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ always. Journeying with Him will make you discover your true identity & purpose in Christ while on earth. He can never disappoint you while following His leading & instruction. ASK FOR HIM.

Frenzy01:
I no longer believe in religion or going to church, this development is quite surprising due to my upbringing in a staunch Deeper life Christian home.

I hope I'm not going over the board?
I hope everything is still normal with me?

Why were you a follower of Christ? Do you know?

If you follow your Parent rather than Christ, you have missed it. But I don't blame you, I blame the people who have erroneously taught us that the purpose of being a follower of Christ is to have an easy successful life with God being at the beacon of our call for interventions.

How many of the apostles were rich and comfortable? Didn't they all die violent deaths? Can't you see that what we call Christianity now has changed?

Ask yourself the question: "why were you following Christ". The truthful answer to this will settle your case!

If you read the first time Jesus sent his disciples out to preach in Luke 9 and Luke 10,he told them not to take purse(money) with them but when he was about to leave in Luke 22, he told them to take their purse(money). There times and seasons in the spiritual realm. I can question him because I wasn't there when God told him but what I can say his that the Bible is our compass and the Holy Spirit is our guide. If you don't understand, He can guide you into all truth

Dantedasz:
I don't know for how long you have been a deeper life member or how old you are and I dont say this to disparage your belief. I ask because I remember back in the late 80s Mr Kumuyi who is the founder of Deeper life church forbid his church members to use television sets. In fact he labelled the television as a devil's instrument. Many of his church members believed this doctrine and Drug pits and buried their televisions in the ground like corpses. Others smashed their televisions to smithereens to serve the doctrine of Kumuyi and deeper life. Flash forward to the 2000s and the same Kumuyi is propagating his evangelical ministry through the same television which he labelled devilish in the 1980s.
Religion evolves as man evolves because all religions are created by MAN!

lomprico:
you are begining to think critically!
it's very normal for those who have gotten to that level intellectually

If one could think critically and without bias, you will land at the door of the Creator. However, knowing the Creator is another thing entirely

Mutemenot:
You aren't alone, religion has done more harm than good. Infact it irritates .e when people talk of religion. My own religion is just to live good life

Really!?
Your stance is equivalent to one who rejects science for with the knowledge, humans have perfected means to kill and destroy on an industrial scale.

Is science evil?

poiunt:
For example for Christians, the 10 commandments is the yardstick for creating laws in a Christian society.

For traditional worshippers, the traditional laws is been used to creates rules on law and order, creating trust in society.

This also extends to islam and other religions.

Religion is the backbone for every society.

The laws brought trust, peace and a stable society

Thank you sir.
I want to ask you if you REALLY need a law written in a book to know right from wrong? Do you need to read a book to know killing or stealing is wrong?
And by the way which of the 10 commandments are we talking about here? Please think very well before you answer. Which of the 10 commandments in the book of exodus are we talking about here

God will help us my dear and that is y atimes I don't like discussing Christianity in a group or social platforms. I love it when we share n interact not to find faults but to develop our faith. God may have put the burden of preaching on maybe righteousness99, instead of other Christians to appreciate the calling, they will b castigating and they don't know that God is interested in the souls of men. Shalom

Wolgrace:
THANK YOU! Holy Spirit of the living God is an experience because He's the promise and blessed gift of the Father. Many nairaland and pulpit preachers don't acknowledge and preach about Him, instead the put more attention only on the letters that kills. Biblical and spiritual ignorance is a disease!

poiunt:
To be realistic, i actually like the not using the Tv.

Tv are visual and what you watch on tv can corrupt your mind, that is why even on tv there is parental control because even the makers know that if tv use is not controlled it can damage the mind of children.

See Tv as a propaganda instrument instead of a box for watching visual content then you will understand the dangers of Tv

I love how you conveniently dodged my question but then religious people are like that!

HeavenlyHolines:
If you read the first time Jesus sent his disciples out to preach in Luke 9 and Luke 10,he told them not to take purse(money) with them but when he was about to leave in Luke 22, he told them to take their purse(money). There times and seasons in the spiritual realm. I can question him because I wasn't there when God told him but what I can say his that the Bible is our compass and the Holy Spirit is our guide. If you don't understand, He can guide you into all truth

Hilarious!!
If you can't answer the question, don't attempt to answer it please.
I need serious people here not dancers,dancing makossa around the question I asked!

And they ALL ran away!!!
HILARIOUS!!!

Dantedasz:
Thank you sir.
I want to ask you if you REALLY need a law written in a book to know right from wrong? Do you need to read a book to know killing or stealing is wrong?
And by the way which of the 10 commandments are we talking about here? Please think very well before you answer. Which of the 10 commandments in the book of exodus are we talking about here

Yes, you need a written law to know what is right from wrong or else it will be easy for people to oppress one another.

The written law is a guideline, without these guidelines human being will generally destroy one another, a land without laws is a dangerous land.

For the ten commandments, i am talking about all the 10 commandments.

Thou shall not steal and the remaining 9 laws.

Dantedasz:
I love how you conveniently dodged my question but then religious people are like that!

I didn't even write about God in my write up but then you concluded i am religious.

I don't know the pastor, i am sure he has a reason for banning Tv maybe he doesn't want his members to be influenced by what they watch on tv and it is possible he got more softer as he got older.

poiunt:
Yes, you need a written law to know what is right from wrong or else it will be easy for people to oppress one another.

The written law is a guideline, without thise guidelines human being will generally destroy one another, a land without laws is a dangerous land.

For the ten commandments, i am talking about all the 10 commandments.

Thou shall not steal and the remaining 9 laws.

Sorry, I always quote religious people before responding to them because they have the tendency of editing and manipulating their posts when they are found out.
That done with I bet you did not know there are two different 10 commandments in Exodus. Do you know how I know this? I know this because Christian's do NOT read their bible. In fact I am sure I know more of what is written in the bible than you and I don't rely on any general overseer to tell me what is in the bible!!!

HeavenlyHolines:
God will help us my dear and that is y atimes I don't like discussing Christianity in a group or social platforms. I love it when we share n interact not to find faults but to develop our faith. God may have put the burden of preaching on maybe righteousness99, instead of other Christians to appreciate the calling, they will b castigating and they don't know that God is interested in the souls of men. Shalom

Preaching devoid of the love, wisdom, knowledge, understanding, instruction, guidance, leading, faith, grace, power, fire, and Spirit of Jesus Christ is human righteousness.. They lack the Spirit and power thereof, therefore they are sounding brass and tinkling cymbal.

Dantedasz:
Sorry, I always quote religious people before responding to them because they have the tendency of editing and manipulating their posts when they are found out.
That done with I bet you did not know there are two different 10 commandments in Exodus. Do you know how I know this? I know this because Christian's do NOT read their bible. In fact I am sure I know more of what is written in the bible than you and I don't rely on any general overseer to tell me what is in the bible!!!

Yes i know.

The mosaic law and the law that was replaced after moses destroyed the first law.

The first 10 laws are what i was referring to, those laws are foundation of western civilization and they represent how we treat God and how we treat others in a society.

The problem is you read without application or historical background.


The mosaic law deal with moral, ceremonial, and judicial aspects of human life.

Before mosaic law

There was Seven Laws of Noah which also deal with the moral, ceremonial and judicial aspects of human life during that period, the mosaic law also got some laws from the noah laws

If we also check the Hammurabi laws, we will also find traces of the law of moses and noah.

The legal code of this law dealt with theft, marriage, debt, slavery, commerce. One of the central tenets of the laws was to protect the weak against the strong.

poiunt:
Yes i know.

The mosaic law and the law that was replaced after moses destroyed the first law.

The first 10 laws are what i was referring to, those laws are foundation of western civilization and they represent how we treat God and how we treat others.

The problem is you read without application or historical background.


The mosaic law deal with moral, ceremonial, and judicial aspects of human life.

Before mosaic law

There was Seven Laws of Noah which also deal with the moral, ceremonial and judicial aspects of human life during that period, the mosaic law also got some laws from the noah laws

If we also check the Hammurabi laws, we will also find traces of the law of moses and noah.

The legal code of this law dealt with theft, marriage, debt, slavery, commerce. One of the central tenets of the laws was to protect the weak against the strong.

I ask you again.
Do you need laws written in a book to distinguish right from wrong??
Does a book control/project your morality??

shadeyinka:
If one could think critically and without bias, you will land at the door of the Creator. However, knowing the Creator is another thing entirely

Write a composition of not more than 10 lines about the creator..without making use of other peoples idea..use your own idea or words..

Dantedasz:
I ask you again.
Do you need laws written in a book to distinguish right from wrong??
Does a book control/project your morality??

Yes. I need laws to distinguish right from good and i need a book to project morality.

Laws comes with consequences for breaking

the heart of man is evil and laws does not only cover right from wrong, but also covers business and other aspects of himan life.

Question to you

How do you know right from evil without laws ?

poiunt:
Yes i know.

The mosaic law and the law that was replaced after moses destroyed the first law.

The first 10 laws are what i was referring to, those laws are foundation of western civilization and they represent how we treat God and how we treat others in a society.

The problem is you read without application or historical background.


The mosaic law deal with moral, ceremonial, and judicial aspects of human life.

Before mosaic law

There was Seven Laws of Noah which also deal with the moral, ceremonial and judicial aspects of human life during that period, the mosaic law also got some laws from the noah laws

If we also check the Hammurabi laws, we will also find traces of the law of moses and noah.

The legal code of this law dealt with theft, marriage, debt, slavery, commerce. One of the central tenets of the laws was to protect the weak against the strong.

I quite understand your point,wihout laws there would be chaos..which is to be expected.but he is asking if we need the laws written down or it should be within us..if we can't tell rigjt from wrong then we simply lack empathy..

poiunt:
Yes. I need laws to distinguish right from good and i need a book to project morality.

Laws comes with consequences for breaking

the heart of man is evil and laws does not only cover right from wrong, but also covers business and other aspects of himan life.

Question to you

How do you know right from evil without laws ?

I know right from wrong because it is inbuilt in my psyche.
I don't need any book to tell me killing or stealing is wrong. I just know that I can distinguish right from wrong.
So if someone comes up tomorrow with a new religious book and tells you killing is good or stealing is good then you will embrace it??
I just love religious people!

sonmvayina:
I quite understand your point,wihout laws there would be chaos..which is to be expected.but he is asking if we need the laws written down or it should be within us..if we can't tell rigjt from wrong then we simply lack empathy..

Laws needs to be written down. Human beings are opportunists in nature.

There are people who will oppress the weak if laws are not written down.

Also not every human has the tendency to do good, many are evil in nature and do not care about morals , so we need written laws to tame their nature.