livingchrist:
who told you Jesus never took side? Jesus took side with God, because God appointed the government to do what is right.
Same thing with soldiers who join the military or join politics without compromising their Christian standard.

3 John 1:11
Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God:
but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

Yes Jesus took side with what is good, just as every Christian should.
Jesus made a parable of a wounded man who was saved by a Gentile while religious folks like you passed on without glitching. Yet that gentile was recognised by Jesus.
So mr max Jesus took part of the world system by paying tax and so do you and everyone else.

This is not about trinity, you and your ilks has being floating about trinity, I hope you are ok

livingchrist:
These are not new satan can manifest himself as an angel of light how much more his ministers.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

All those false love, peace unity etc are nothing but manipulation.
Jwo was not founded on Jesus but on satan's lies and deception.

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livingchrist:


These are not new satan can manifest himself as an angel of light how much more his ministers.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

All those false love, peace unity etc are nothing but manipulation.
Jwo was not founded on Jesus but on satan's lies and deception.

I hope you know a better performing group than JWs, please tell me so i can evaluate them!

livingchrist:
their money are being used to fund the military to kill fellow men.
Imagine jehovah witness paying taxes to fund the killing of another witness who also pay tax to kill his fellow witness.

Jokers

They can close their eyes to it. It's their PALAVER. I have repeatedly told some, you don't have to carry weapons to kill as a Christian. That they know. To carry weapons self na serious work.

Ask them when those they call false CHRISTIANS go to church on Sunday. They should list what they carry along because in their eyes that BIBLE looks like guns, cutlass or weapons of mass destruction


To serve our fatherland
With love and strength and faith

In their EYES to serve our fatherland
with Cutlass guns and weapons of mass destruction

DappaD:


Do you know that the guy you're replying to, thinks your trinity god is a joke?

When the disciples of the Pharisees and members of Herod's political party came to Jesus and tried to incite him to commit treachery, what did he reply to them?
“Pay back, therefore, Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.”—Matthew 22:21
Here, we see that Jesus never took sides or tried to become a political activist. Instead, he recognized that since money being a legal tender belongs to the government, it is also right for the government to ask for that money in forms of taxes and levies in order for the government to provide necessities that'll benefit the society.
“God's things to God” connotes our worship, our loyalty. True Christians can only render sacred service to Jehovah God and not to any man, country, government etc—because he is a God requiring exclusive devotion. (Exodus 34:14)

So in essence, Matthew 22:21 == Romans 13:1-7✓

Do you know that the guy you're replying to, thinks your trinity god is a joke?


It is a joke but you never get tired of raining abuse on other denominations over it .

And you ALWAYS involve and immerse yourself in what is a joke


Here, we see that Jesus never took sides or tried to become a political activist. Instead, he recognized that since money being a legal tender belongs to the government, it is also right for the government to ask for that money in forms of taxes and levies in order for the government to provide necessities that'll benefit the society.



Teacher, we know that You are true, and care about no one; for You do not regard the person of men, but teach the way of God in truth. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not? 15Shall we pay, or shall we not pay?”

What was the question all about?

About Caesar?

What was the response?

17And Jesus answered and said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

Since the QUESTION is all about Caesar initially from the one questioning Jesus and from Jesus response what side does he belongs in RELATIONS to that question?

MuttleyLaff:



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MaxInDHouse:


I hope you know a better performing group than JWs, please tell me so i can evaluate them!

Is their any other EVALUATION higher than calling them FALSE CHRISTIANS and that they will be DESTROYED

livingchrist:
their money are being used to fund the military to kill fellow men.
Imagine jehovah witness paying taxes to fund the killing of another witness who also pay tax to kill his fellow witness.

Jokers

@bolded makes you sound really funny!

The Jews knew very well that the taxes they pay to Caesar is used to fund so many things that's against their wish, that's why they came asking Jesus "is it lawful (scriptural) to pay tax to Caesar?"

Our Master, Lord and King said it's their inscriptions that's on the currency so if they now demands for it we shouldn't hesitate to give it back to them {Mark 12:17} So it's none of our business whatever Caesar (Politicians) decides to do with it.

That's why we don't join in protests against them unlike other religious groups who wants to tell Caesar what Caesar should do with the taxes!

livingchrist:
good, going against the rulers means going against the judicial decision of God who permitted them, the question is, why do jwo tell their members to go against God by forbidding members from honoring their country? Why did God appoint these rulers? Is it not to maintain law and order in the society?

Can you show me anywhere were Jesus forbade being a soldier?
In all of these, you have not show how being a soldier or governor or any other is bad, being a soldier or even a doctor is not bad it is what the practitioners do with it that matters.
Whether you admit it or not Jehovah witness are part of the systems of this world.
As far as you work, buy or sell or do anything at all, you are indirectly part of the world system.

Going against them is going against God's ministers THAT is what the scripture says

As far as you work, buy or sell or do anything at all, you are indirectly part of the world system.

The ORG of JWs is EQUALLY registered under Satan AUTHORITY and ORGANIZATION. They work directly and indirectly for SATAN

Excellent idea!

achorladey:



Is their any other EVALUATION higher than FALSE CHRISTIANS and that they will DESTROYED

MaxInDHouse:


@bolded makes you sound really funny!

The Jews knew very well that the taxes they pay to Caesar is used to fund so many things that's against their wish, that's why they came asking Jesus "is it lawful (scriptural) to pay tax to Caesar?"

Our Master, Lord and King said it's their inscriptions that's on the currency so if they now demands for it we shouldn't hesitate to give it back to them {Mark 12:17} So it's none of our business whatever Caesar (Politicians) decides to do with it.

That's why we don't join in protests against them unlike other religious groups who wants to tell Caesar what Caesar should do with the taxes!

So it's none of our business whatever Caesar (Politicians) decides to do with it.

But you know what they do with it even when it is not your concern. Part of what they do with the TAX you pay is what that same


Romans 13: for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.


They use it SHARPEN their SWORDS for the plenty many REASONS available to them.

MaxInDHouse:


@bolded makes you sound really funny!

The Jews knew very well that the taxes they pay to Caesar is used to fund so many things that's against their wish, that's why they came asking Jesus "is it lawful (scriptural) to pay tax to Caesar?"

Our Master, Lord and King said it's their inscriptions that's on the currency so if they now demands for it we shouldn't hesitate to give it back to them {Mark 12:17} So it's none of our business whatever Caesar (Politicians) decides to do with it.

That's why we don't join in protests against them unlike other religious groups who wants to tell Caesar what Caesar should do with the taxes!

So it's none of our business whatever Caesar (Politicians) decides to do with it.

But you know what they do with it even when it is not your concern. Part of what they do with the TAX you pay is what that same


Romans 13: for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.


They use it to SHARPEN their SWORDS for the plenty many REASONS available to them.

MaxInDHouse:
Excellent idea!

so what was the essence of the question initially when you already have your excellent Idea?

Through with you!

achorladey:


so what was the essence of the question initially when you already have your excellent Idea?

livingchrist:

who told you Jesus never took side? Jesus took side with God, because God appointed the government to do what is right.
[s]Same thing with soldiers who join the military or join politics without compromising their Christian standard.[/s]
3 John 1:11
Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.
Yes Jesus took side with what is good, just as every Christian should.

At that time when the Roman Empire oppressed the Jews in the region of Judea, Jesus never took ANY sides between the Romans and Jews. He never became a political activist, why infact, he never became an earthly king even when the Jews tried to coerce him to do so! (John 6:15)
So it is his footsteps Jehovah's Witnesses are following today.(1Corinthians 11:1, 1Peter 2:21)

Jesus made a parable of a wounded man who was saved by a Gentile while religious folks like you passed on without glitching. Yet that gentile was recognised by Jesus.

All of these your shallow comments just reveal how misinformed you are about Jehovah's Witnesses.
The Bible advises true Christians(Jehovah's Witnesses) to work what is good towards all sorts of men.(Galatians 6:10)
And when we do such, we don't blow trumpets for all to hear about our deeds just like prominent men in the world do. (Matthew 6:2, 1John 2:15-16)

So mr max Jesus took part of the world system by paying tax and so do you and everyone else

Like I earlier said, you have no regard for the words of Jesus.
Because Jesus meant serious business when he said that “they(his true disciples) are no part of the world just like I(Jesus) am no part of the world.”(John 17:14,16)
With respects to affairs of the nations, Jesus' true disciples(today known as Jehovah's Witnesses) are to remain neutral—they are never to enrol for military service or sing a solidarity song to any human organization, never to vote or lobby for positions of authority in human governments.
All of these because the government they're supporting i.e. God's Kingdom is not of an earthly origin and that which will soon destroy all man-made governments. (Daniel 2:44, John 18:36)
It is because of the neutral stand they take—that makes all the nations of the earth to focus attention on them(JWs) and label us “extremists” which shows that the world would hate us passionately just as Jesus said they would. (John 15:18-20)

DappaD, the guy is just another atheist disguising as a believer, if he can't obey simple instruction it is evident he just want to bear the common name "Christian".
Anytime anyday he is prepared to criticize Christianity, but he likes to be called a Christian that's all!

DappaD:


At that time when the Roman Empire oppressed the Jews in the region of Judea, Jesus never took ANY sides between the Romans and Jews. He never became a political activist, why infact, he never became an earthly king even when the Jews tried to coerce him to do so! (John 6:15)
So it is his footsteps Jehovah's Witnesses are following today.(1Corinthians 11:1, 1Peter 2:21)



All of these your shallow comments just reveal how misinformed you are about Jehovah's Witnesses.
The Bible advises true Christians(Jehovah's Witnesses) to work what is good towards all sorts of men.(Galatians 6:10)
And when we do such, we don't blow trumpets for all to hear about our deeds just like prominent men in the world do. (Matthew 6:2, 1John 2:15-16)



Like I earlier said, you have no regard for the words of Jesus.
Because Jesus meant serious business when he said that “they(his true disciples) are no part of the world just like I(Jesus) am no part of the world.”(John 17:14,16)
With respects to affairs of the nations, Jesus' true disciples(today known as Jehovah's Witnesses) are to remain neutral—they are never to enrol for military service or sing a solidarity song to any human organization, never to vote or lobby for positions of authority in human governments.
All of these because the government they're supporting i.e. God's Kingdom is not of an earthly origin and that which will soon destroy all man-made governments. (Daniel 2:44, John 18:36)
It is because of the neutral stand they take—that makes all the nations of the earth to focus attention on them(JWs) and label us “extremists” which shows that the world would hate us passionately just as Jesus said they would. (John 15:18-20)

MaxInDHouse:
DappaD, the guy is just another atheist disguising as a believer, if he can't obey simple instruction it is evident he just want to bear the common name "Christian".
Anytime anyday he is prepared to criticize Christianity, but he likes to be called a Christian that's all!

When Peter and the other loyal/faithful disciples stayed with Jesus even when they did not understand everything he was teaching them, perhaps the majority of the populace thought they had lost their minds.
Whereas the other ones who just like to follow follow Jesus up and down and called him “Lord Lord” everywhere left Jesus immediately he said some things that could not be understood initially—which shows that their hearts were not complete towards God's anointed Servant in the first place. (John 6:48-69)
That is exactly the same kind of attitude Mr livingchrist exhibits.

Barristter07:


1Corinthians 15:48

" And everyone in heaven has a body like the body of the one who came from heaven. " CEV

According to this, Everyone in heaven. Including God himself as the same body as Jesus.

Does God and the angels have flesh ??

None of the people in heaven came into world as a man to die for our sins. So that sets Jesus Christ apart from everyone else in heaven.

DappaD:


When Peter and the other loyal/faithful disciples stayed with Jesus even when they did not understand everything he was teaching them, perhaps the majority of the populace thought they had lost their minds.
Whereas the other ones who just like to follow follow Jesus up and down and called him “Lord Lord” everywhere left Jesus immediately he said some things that could not be understood initially—which shows that their hearts were not complete towards God's anointed Servant in the first place. (John 6:48-69)
That is exactly the same kind of attitude Mr livingchrist exhibits.

This is the whole truth bro Dappa, when people see Jehovah's Witnesses today and discovered that there still remains some things not totally clear to us they wonder "why are the Jehovah's Witnesses so dedicated even when they can't verify everything they're been taught?"
None of those criticising the JWs today would have remained standing the day Jesus said what sound totally evil in the scriptures, imagine he was suggesting cannibalism and drinking of blood which is totally forbidden in God's law!
So what made the twelve stood still?
They were convinced that there is no one else they can go to for the sayings of everlasting life, therefore they needed patience to grasp what this wonderful counselor meant.
Today when i see someone complaining bitterly against the teachings of the GB of JWs, i always ask such ones just one question who else do you know that's teaching what is from the spirit of God apart from the GB of JWs?
Because i have seen that it's only their teachings that's working out God's will. They're already gathering citizens for Paradise where Jesus promised that there will be no sorrow nor pain. In the midst of JWs their is Love, Joy and Peace.
That's what we need from fellow humans in Paradise, the difficult part will be handled by God himself!

Depsui:


None of the people in heaven came into world as a man to die for our sins. So that sets Jesus Christ apart from everyone else in heaven.

Becoming a human and dying for the sin of humans earned him a name but when he returned to heaven he returned not with human body rather as an angel (spirit) again!

MaxInDHouse:


I hope you know a better performing group than JWs, please tell me so i can evaluate them!

Jesus did not tell us to look for group.

achorladey:



They can close their eyes to it. It's their PALAVER. I have repeatedly told some, you don't have to carry weapons to kill as a Christian. That they know. To carry weapons self na serious work.

Ask them when those they call false CHRISTIANS go to church on Sunday. They should list what they carry along because in their eyes that BIBLE looks like guns, cutlass or weapons of mass destruction


To serve our fatherland
With love and strength and faith

In their EYES to serve our fatherland
with Cutlass guns and weapons of mass destruction

these people are funny, what will they say about Daniel who served under a pagan king? Or Joseph who became a ruler in a pagan land? Or Jesus himself who healed a Roman soldier?

MaxInDHouse:


@bolded makes you sound really funny!

The Jews knew very well that the taxes they pay to Caesar is used to fund so many things that's against their wish, that's why they came asking Jesus "is it lawful (scriptural) to pay tax to Caesar?"

Our Master, Lord and King said it's their inscriptions that's on the currency so if they now demands for it we shouldn't hesitate to give it back to them {Mark 12:17} So it's none of our business whatever Caesar (Politicians) decides to do with it.

That's why we don't join in protests against them unlike other religious groups who wants to tell Caesar what Caesar should do with the taxes!

at bolded, is it not like giving gun to to a killer to do whatever they want to do with it?
Since you are no part of the world system why pay at all? By doing so you took part of world system.
So you are actually part of those funding the military.

achorladey:


So it's none of our business whatever Caesar (Politicians) decides to do with it.

But you know what they do with it even when it is not your concern. Part of what they do with the TAX you pay is what that same


Romans 13: for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.


They use it to SHARPEN their SWORDS for the plenty many REASONS available to them.

If Jwo want to disarm the nations they should have cut off the source of fund eg tax but no they keep supplying funds to be used to stockpile weapons.

DappaD:


At that time when the Roman Empire oppressed the Jews in the region of Judea, Jesus never took ANY sides between the Romans and Jews. He never became a political activist, why infact, he never became an earthly king even when the Jews tried to coerce him to do so! (John 6:15)
So it is his footsteps Jehovah's Witnesses are following today.(1Corinthians 11:1, 1Peter 2:21)



All of these your shallow comments just reveal how misinformed you are about Jehovah's Witnesses.
The Bible advises true Christians(Jehovah's Witnesses) to work what is good towards all sorts of men.(Galatians 6:10)
And when we do such, we don't blow trumpets for all to hear about our deeds just like prominent men in the world do. (Matthew 6:2, 1John 2:15-16)



Like I earlier said, you have no regard for the words of Jesus.
Because Jesus meant serious business when he said that “they(his true disciples) are no part of the world just like I(Jesus) am no part of the world.”(John 17:14,16)
With respects to affairs of the nations, Jesus' true disciples(today known as Jehovah's Witnesses) are to remain neutral—they are never to enrol for military service or sing a solidarity song to any human organization, never to vote or lobby for positions of authority in human governments.
All of these because the government they're supporting i.e. God's Kingdom is not of an earthly origin and that which will soon destroy all man-made governments. (Daniel 2:44, John 18:36)
It is because of the neutral stand they take—that makes all the nations of the earth to focus attention on them(JWs) and label us “extremists” which shows that the world would hate us passionately just as Jesus said they would. (John 15:18-20)

If Jesus wanted to disarm the nations and discourage nations having soldiers why dis he instruct his disciples to take part of the world by paying taxes?

livingchrist:

Jesus did not tell us to look for group.

You're just becoming funnier by the day!

Jesus did not tell you to look for group but here you are presenting all the things you've heard about a group, so you never looked for all these things about the group it just came into your brains shey?

AkinwaleJJ:


Becoming a human and dying for the sin of humans earned him a name but when he returned to heaven he returned not with human body rather as an angel (spirit) again!

When has Jesus who is Almighty God become an angel?
You mean Jehovah is an angel? Wonderful

MaxInDHouse:


You're just becoming funnier by the day!

Jesus did not tell you to look for group but here you are presenting all the things you've heard about a group, so you never looked for all these things about the group it just came into your brains shey?

may be you can show me where Jesus say we should look for group?

livingchrist:
at bolded, is it not like giving gun to to a killer to do whatever they want to do with it?
Since you are no part of the world system why pay at all? By doing so you took part of world system.
So you are actually part of those funding the military.

The highlighted is your own saying!

Jesus said "give Caesar's things to Caesar" and Paul said "pay those who call for taxes". Note that we aren't paying out of willingness but they're demanding for it, they can do whatever they want with it but giving me a gun to aim at my fellow man is what Jesus commanded me "drop weapons" {Matthew 26:52} "you must not kill" {Exodus 20:13} so you can continue twisting God's word since you don't want to obey!

livingchrist:
may be you can show me where Jesus say we should look for group?

I should be asking you that because you're the one publicising since about a group (Jehovah's Witnesses) yet you're saying Jesus did not ask you to look for group!

livingchrist:

When has Jesus who is Almighty God become an angel?
You mean Jehovah is an angel? Wonderful

Come and see confusion o! Where did the Bible says Jehovah is Jesus?

livingchrist:

When has Jesus who is Almighty God become an angel?

There is no scripture that says Jesus is almighty God! Jesus repeatedly referred to himself as "son of God" [John 3:16-18] and that's exactly what the Bible calls angels [Genesis 6:1; Job 38:7] so Jesus who is also one of God's sons must be an angel!

You mean Jehovah is an angel? Wonderful

Where did Bible referred to Jehovah as an angel or son?

DappaD:


The Bible doesn't support a single word you said up there. But thanks for airing your own personal opinion, even though I never sought for it and that which is in direct contrast to what the Bible teaches.

The Bible supports it. It was His body(not Spirit) that was crucified. The fact that after resurrection there were still scars of the crucifixion on Him(john20:27) shows that He ressurected with His crucified body.

Also, the fact He lives forever in this new body means that it is different from our natural body. Which is why i called it a glorified body. Which the kind of body we will also have after resurrection.

1corithians 15:20-23

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

I Corinthians 52:35-44

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

You can read the whole chapter.

Don't be confused by the term Spiritual body. Which is why i used glorified body. It's the type of body that every Christian will have at resurrection.