AkinwaleJJ:


Becoming a human and dying for the sin of humans earned him a name but when he returned to heaven he returned not with human body rather as an angel (spirit) again!

This is wrong, read my comments on the previous page

Depsui:


The Bible supports it. It was His body(not Spirit) that was crucified. The fact that after resurrection there were still scars of the crucifixion on Him(john20:27) shows that He ressurected with His crucified body.

Also, the fact He lives forever in this new body means that it is different from our natural body. Which is why i called it a glorified body. Which the kind of body we will also have after resurrection.

The bolded is contradictory!

You said "He resurrected with His crucified body"

But again you said "He lives forever in this new body"

So what is new in the crucified body?

Judybash93:


Please, how did you know?

From the Bible

Depsui:


This is wrong, read my comments on the previous page

I know two wrongs can't make a right, so it's either you are on the wrong or i. So is there any scripture that stated saying Jesus returned to heaven with physical body?

Kobojunkie:
Where do you get this supposed definition of yours, of a "glorified body"? I don't remember Jesus Christ saying He resurrected with a "glorified body" is why I ask. He told His disciples that He was the same Jesus Christ, come back from the dead... Jesus Christ with a "glorified body" would be a sort of Jesus Christ 2.0 and that would not be the same as a Jesus Christ 1.0(the one that died), would it now?
Regarding your assertion that the "glorified body" you claim is a combination of flesh and spirit, my question is since Jesus Christ already had pretty much the same Spirit of God living inside of Him before death, what other Spirit came back with Him from the dead, causing the upgrade to "glorified body" status?

The reason why i said glorified body is that, He can live forever in His resurrected body which is not possible with the natural body.

MaxInDHouse:


The bolded is contradictory!

You said "He resurrected with His crucified body"

But again you said "He lives forever in this new body"

So what is new in the crucified body?

Don't be confused by "new". I just meant resurrected body.

AkinwaleJJ:


I know two wrongs can't make a right, so it's either you are on the wrong or i. So is there any scripture that stated saying Jesus returned to heaven with physical body?

Jesus did not resurrect with a purely physical body.

He resurrected with a glorified body. Please check my comments on the previous page. Also, you can read 1corithians 15 to understand what I mean by "glorified body( or spiritual body)

Depsui:


Don't be confused by "new". I just meant resurrected body.

OK the NEW is a blunder!

Next time try to be consistent with your point because i believe Jesus never resurrected with the same body which makes it a NEW body!

Depsui:


Jesus did not resurrect with a purely physical body.

He resurrected with a glorified body. Please check my comments on the previous page. Also, you can read 1corithians 15 to understand what I mean by "glorified body( or spiritual body)

According to 1Corinthians 15, Jesus was given a new body and the old bruised body was gone!

MaxInDHouse:


OK the NEW is a blunder!

Next time try to be consistent with your point because i believe Jesus never resurrected with the same body which makes it a NEW body!

You still don't get my point. Jesus Christ resurrected in the body He was crucified in.

But there was a transformation of the body into a glorified body.

I have a question for you. What happened to the body of Jesus Christ that was buried.

AkinwaleJJ:


According to 1Corinthians 15, Jesus was given a new body and the old bruised body was gone!

No. The old body was transformed into a glorified body

MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted is your own saying!

Jesus said "give Caesar's things to Caesar" and Paul said "pay those who call for taxes". Note that we aren't paying out of willingness but they're demanding for it, they can do whatever they want with it but giving me a gun to aim at my fellow man is what Jesus commanded me "drop weapons" {Matthew 26:52} "you must not kill" {Exodus 20:13} so you can continue twisting God's word since you don't want to obey!

Did read what you wrote? So If somebody demands that you should do what is wrong you should do it?
You are not obeying God but the governing body of Jehova witness

MaxInDHouse:


I should be asking you that because you're the one publicising since about a group (Jehovah's Witnesses) yet you're saying Jesus did not ask you to look for group!

so because I m exposing the fraud called Jehovah witness org means I am looking for I group?

MaxInDHouse:


Come and see confusion o! Where did the Bible says Jehovah is Jesus?

where did the bible say Jesus is an angel?

AkinwaleJJ:

There is no scripture that says Jesus is almighty God! Jesus repeatedly referred to himself as "son of God" [John 3:16-18] and that's exactly what the Bible calls angels [Genesis 6:1; Job 38:7] so Jesus who is also one of God's sons must be an angel!


Where did Bible referred to Jehovah as an angel or son?

there is no scripture that says Jesus is an angel, humans are also called sons of God does that mean they are Angels too?
Jesus is given same title as Jehovah, Jesus is Jehovah.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Psalms 132:5
Until I find out a place for the LORD, an habitation for the mighty God of Jacob.


Psalm 35 said Jehovah is the mighty God
But Isaiah said Jesus is the mighty God.
So how many mighty Gods do you now have?

And also see,
New world translation
Isaiah 10v21
Only a remnant will return,
The remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God.+

If Jehovah is the Mighty God therefore does it not occur to you that there can be no other Mighty God?
But Jesus Jesus is also called, Mighty God a title exclusively met for Jehovah.
That only means one thing, Jesus is Jehovah of the old testament.

Depsui:

The Bible supports it. It was His body(not Spirit) that was crucified. The fact that after resurrection there were still scars of the crucifixion on Him(john20:27) shows that He ressurected with His crucified body.
Also, the fact He lives forever in this new body means that it is different from our natural body. Which is why i called it a glorified body. Which the kind of body we will also have after resurrection.
1corithians 15:20-23
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
I Corinthians 52:35-44
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
You can read the whole chapter.
Don't be confused by the term Spiritual body. Which is why i used glorified body. It's the type of body that every Christian will have at resurrection.

Please what's your understanding of Genesis 2:7?
Was Adam a physical being or a spiritual being?
What was put into the nostrils of Adam?

livingchrist:
If Jesus wanted to disarm the nations and discourage nations having soldiers why dis he instruct his disciples to take part of the world by paying taxes?

Go and argue with Jesus at Matthew 26:52.

livingchrist:
there is no scripture that says Jesus is an angel, humans are also called sons of God does that mean they are Angels too?
Jesus is given same title as Jehovah, Jesus is Jehovah.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Psalms 132:5
Until I find out a place for the LORD, an habitation for the mighty God of Jacob.
Psalm 35 said Jehovah is the mighty God
But Isaiah said Jesus is the mighty God.
So how many mighty Gods do you now have?
And also see,
New world translation
Isaiah 10v21
Only a remnant will return,
The remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God.+

If Jehovah is the Mighty God therefore does it not occur to you that there can be no other Mighty God?
But Jesus Jesus is also called, Mighty God a title exclusively met for Jehovah.
That only means one thing, Jesus is Jehovah of the old testament.

So because the other angels in heaven are also Mighty gods—that make them equal to Jehovah too? (Psalm 103:20)

The Hebrew word ‘El Gibbohr’(Mighty God) can apply to Jehovah, Jesus(Jehovah's firstborn Son) and other angels but when it comes to being God Almighty i.e. El Shaddai, that title is reserved for Jehovah God only.(Genesis 17:1, Revelation 15:3)

Please what is your understanding of Psalm 110:1?
Can you please identify the two characters portrayed there?

Depsui:


From the Bible

This, sir, doesn't serve as evidence. I believe in the tales of the dwarfs because it's written in 'The Lord of the Rings" isn't good enough to point us to the truth and the Bible is just one of the many books that falls into that lane.

Depsui:


The Bible supports it. It was His body(not Spirit) that was crucified. The fact that after resurrection there were still scars of the crucifixion on Him(john20:27) shows that He ressurected with His crucified body.
Also, the fact He lives forever in this new body means that it is different from our natural body. Which is why i called it a glorified body. Which the kind of body we will also have after resurrection.
1corithians 15:20-23
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
I Corinthians 52:35-44
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
You can read the whole chapter.


Don't be confused by the term Spiritual body. Which is why i used glorified body. It's the type of body that every Christian will have at resurrection.

The bolded actually caught my attention. LOL.
So I shouldn't be confused when the Bible says it's a “Spiritual Body” abi?
Instead I should accept the one you're telling me and discard how the Bible puts it shey?

DappaD:


Go and argue with Jesus at Matthew 26:52.

Mathew 26:52 is saying that it is ok for a Christian to take part in the system of this world if it is right and lawful do you now see the folly in condemning people who join the military, police etc provided they do what is right no problem.
I leave you with what John said to the soldiers

Luke 3:14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

Depsui:


You still don't get my point. Jesus Christ resurrected in the body He was crucified in.

But there was a transformation of the body into a glorified body.

I have a question for you. [What happened to the body of Jesus Christ that was buried[/b].

It was meant to serve as the Sacrifice for sin, according to God's arrangement the lamb used as a sacrifice is burnt completely because it bears the sin. So that body Jesus died with bears all the sin of Mankind therefore it's corruptible, for Jesus who was a mighty spirit being in heaven before to live again he doesn't need that corruptible body anymore now that he is clean.
Where most readers get confused is because Jesus formed a materialised body to convince Thomas so most readers thought since the body Jesus showed Thomas still appeared with the bruises therefore it's still that sacrificed body.
NO! It can't be because once a lamb is sacrificed, it is gone for good!

Depsui:

No. The old body was transformed into a glorified body

The body Jesus lived with as a man has been sacrificed so he is now a spirit again as he was before being born as human!

DappaD:



So because the other angels in heaven are also Mighty gods—that make them equal to Jehovah too? (Psalm 139:20)

No, angels are never called mighty God, there is only one Mighty God and that is Jehovah.

The Hebrew word ‘El Gibbohr’(Mighty God) can apply to Jehovah, Jesus(Jehovah's firstborn Son) and other angels but when it comes to being God Almighty i.e. El Shaddai, that title is reserved for Jehovah God only.(Genesis 17:1, Revelation 15:3)

Please what is your understanding of Psalm 110:1?
Can you please identify the two characters portrayed there?

Jehovah alone is called the mighty God no other.
Psalm 110:1 is a messianic verse, that speak of Christ position as a man.

AkinwaleJJ:


It was meant to serve as the Sacrifice for sin, according to God's arrangement the lamb used as a sacrifice is burnt completely because it bears the sin. So that body Jesus died with bears all the sin of Mankind therefore it's corruptible, for Jesus who was a mighty spirit being in heaven before to live again he doesn't need that corruptible body anymore now that he is clean.
Where most readers get confused is because Jesus formed a materialised body to convince Thomas so most readers thought since the body Jesus showed Thomas still appeared with the bruises therefore it's still that sacrificed body.
NO! It can't be because once a lamb is sacrificed, it is gone for good!

you are wrong!
Jesus body was resurrected.

John 2:19-22 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
But he spake of the temple of his body.

When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

From this verse, the body of Jesus rose exactly as he said.

livingchrist:

Mathew 26:52 is saying that it is ok for a Christian to take part in the system of this world if it is right and lawful do you now see the folly in condemning people who join the military, police etc provided they do what is right no problem.
I leave you with what John said to the soldiers

Mr livingchrist, I have left you already on this matter.
If you like, join military and carry arms, if you like, don't join. What's my business?
So far as all parties are concerned, Jehovah's Witnesses is the group on earth practicing true Christianity today. OTHERS are deceiving themselves. It is only those in my faith I recognize as my brothers and sisters in Christ.

So don't mistake it to be as if I want you to change your thinking or anything. I was only stating the beliefs and practises of Jehovah's Witnesses according to the Bible.
So you're free to do as you like, after all you've got your own freewill to express.

Luke 3:14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

Nawao. Find one place and perch biko.
If it's John the Baptist you are following let us know.

livingchrist:
there is no scripture that says Jesus is an angel, humans are also called sons of God does that mean they are Angels too?
Jesus is given same title as Jehovah, Jesus is Jehovah.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Psalms 132:5
Until I find out a place for the LORD, an habitation for the mighty God of Jacob.


Psalm 35 said Jehovah is the mighty God
But Isaiah said Jesus is the mighty God.
So how many mighty Gods do you now have?

And also see,
New world translation
Isaiah 10v21
Only a remnant will return,
The remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God.+

If Jehovah is the Mighty God therefore does it not occur to you that there can be no other Mighty God?
But Jesus Jesus is also called, Mighty God a title exclusively met for Jehovah.
That only means one thing, Jesus is Jehovah of the old testament.

Moses was a Mighty God Exod 7:1
There were many others who were also Mighty Gods Psal 82:1,6

So the term Mighty was used for many not only Jehovah, Jesus was likened to the Archangel Michael that's why i concluded that he is the archangel Michael!
He himself said the dead will hear his voice and come out [John 5:28-29] Paul said it's the archangel's voice that will raise the dead! 1Thess 4:16
Jesus is the one leading the armies in heaven [Matt 25:32] and Michael also did the same [Dani 12:1; Reve 12:7] note that both Jesus and Michael was said to be coming with his angels!
Both Michael and Jesus were referred to as Sons of God, but never has Jehovah been referred to as "Son"

livingchrist:

[s] No, angels are never called mighty God, there is only one Mighty God and that is Jehovah.
Jehovah alone is called the mighty God no other.[/s]

Go back and meditate on what I said.
I'm not going to deliberate further on this.

Psalm 110:1 is a messianic verse, that speak of Christ position as a man.

I said identify the two characters you're telling me story.
Who is the LORD and who is the Lord?
Was Jesus sitting at God's right hand as a man or as a spirit being in heaven? (Acts 2:34-35)
THINK, PLEASE, THINK.

AkinwaleJJ:

The body Jesus lived with as a man has been sacrificed so he is now a spirit again as he was before being born as human!

These people still need lessons on the basis
They don't believe Jesus himself died. They believe he just shed his skin and his spirit/soul is chilling somewhere for three days ...
Pathetic!
So, where the Bible says Jesus was made alive in Spirit..it brings their reasoning to fault

ahhhh....Satan nah bastard

livingchrist:
you are wrong!
Jesus body was resurrected.

John 2:19-22 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
But he spake of the temple of his body.

When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

From this verse, the body of Jesus rose exactly as he said.

The Temple here is not Jesus' physical body but pure worship!
The day Jesus died, until the third day there was no place where pure worship was practiced on earth again until his resurrection.
The body means the Church not Jesus' physical body! 1Cor 12:17; Ephe 4:12, 5:23; Colo 3:15

The body there means pure worship which was established which the Temple arrangement, the day Jesus died that arrangement was cancelled and at his resurrection a new covenant was established so instead of worshipers to continue going to the Temple, true worshipers of God now associates with Jesus' followers (the body of Christ) Read John 15

DappaD:

Go back and meditate on what I said.
I'm not going to deliberate further on this.


I said identify the two characters you're telling me story.
Who is the LORD and who is the Lord?
Was Jesus sitting at God's right hand as a man or as a spirit being in heaven? (Acts 2:34-35)
THINK, PLEASE, THINK.

Perhaps he thought Jesus became two persons and one Jesus (LORD) is now telling the other Jesus (Lord) "sit at my right hand".
These people don't understand a single thing!

haddeylium:



These people still need lessons on the basis
They don't believe Jesus himself died. They believe he just shed his skin and his spirit/soul is chilling somewhere for three days ...
Pathetic!
So, where the Bible says Jesus was made alive in Spirit..it brings their reasoning to fault

ahhhh....Satan nah bastard

That's why the first step they have to take is to grasp the real meaning of Genesis 2:7