Depsui:


So, the Spirit of Jesus Christ died?

When he became human he was completely human so at death he died just as Adam also died, nothing no soul no spirit survived Jesus he died completely just like any other man!

Ihedinobi3:


I think so too. I applaud your strength in standing up to them. To be able to do so without losing Christian charity or losing hold of the Truth is no mean feat at all.

thanks , I just do it because of some unsuspecting victim who may not understand the Jehovah witness are not of God. GOD BLESS

livingchrist:
thanks , I just do it because of some unsuspecting victim who may not understand the Jehovah witness are not of God. GOD BLESS

An honorable motive, my friend, and a godly aspiration. Of course, we cannot stop anyone who wants to believe lies from doing so, and we will not always be able to stand in a spot to show that a certain road in the fork leads nowhere good. Plus the Lord could always call us away to man another post.

The Lord strengthen you to your good work.

Depsui:


So, the Spirit of Jesus Christ died?

He became human when God transformed his life into an embryo inside Mary, he grew up like any other human so it is the same spirit (breath of life) that Jesus and everyone else had when he walked the earth, so when he died he died like everyone else! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20, 9:5-10

livingchrist:
thanks , I just do it because of some unsuspecting victim who may not understand the Jehovah witness are not of God. GOD BLESS

Keep deceiving yourselves, we are searching for real dedicated believers who will join us in the preaching and teaching work as real disciples not just lazy Churchgoers who can't defend their Faith.
For your information, even during the lockdown pandemic periods we keep making disciples for our Master, Lord and King. So your arguements meant nothing if you can't present a better performing group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!
See the below picture, it's a newly baptized JW!

MaxInDHouse:


It was a man that was killed and he died completely nothing survived his death!

Luke 23:46
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

If nothing survives death, then what is Jesus committing into father's hands

MaxInDHouse:

When he became human he was completely human so at death he died just as Adam also died, nothing no soul no spirit survived Jesus he died completely just like any other man!

I blame all those Nollywood and Hollywood actors and producers.
In their movies, when someone dies, something immaterial they call “ghost” will continue living somewhere else and will even be able to torment humans.

The entertainment industry of course will not convey the truth about Jehovah God rather they will promote Satan's lies. (2Corinthians 4:4, Revelation 12:9)

So when Jehovah's Witnesses explain from the Bible that once someone dies, he knows NOTHING at all and passes out from existence(Psalm 146:4, Ecclesiastes 9:5,6)—they refuse to accept because of what the entertainment industry(controlled by Satan) has imprinted in their minds and hearts.

Truly as Jehovah's people, we are NOT ignorant of whatever schemes/tactics Satan uses to advance his falsehoods. (2Corinthians 2:11)

livingchrist:

Luke 23:46
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
If nothing survives death, then what is Jesus committing into father's hands

Now you're ready to learn!

His spirit goes out in that day his thoughts perish! Psalms 146:4
The dust returns to the earth just as it was and the spirit returns to the true God who gave it! Ecclesiastes 12:7

It was the breath of life, even a fly has what Jesus committed into his father's hand because a fly has the breath of life (spirit) in it! Ecclesiastes 3:19

MaxInDHouse:


Now you're ready to learn!

His spirit goes out in that day his thoughts perish! Psalms 146:4
The dust returns to the earth just as it was and the spirit returns to the true God who gave it! Ecclesiastes 12:7

It was the breath of life, even a fly has what Jesus committed into his father's hand because a fly has the breath of (spirit) life in it! Ecclesiastes 3:19

I thought you said nothing survives death, so after all the spirit does not die but returns to God.
But you lie, the spirit of man and that of animals are different

Ecclesiastes 3:21
Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

There is the spirit of man and the spirit of animals.

DappaD:


I blame all those Nollywood and Hollywood actors and producers.
In their movies, when someone dies, something immaterial they call “ghost” will continue living somewhere else and will even be able to torment humans.

The entertainment industry of course will not convey the truth about Jehovah God rather they will promote Satan's lies. (2Corinthians 4:4, Revelation 12:9)

So when Jehovah's Witnesses explain from the Bible that once someone dies, he knows NOTHING at all and passes out from existence(Psalm 146:4, Ecclesiastes 9:5,6)—they refuse to accept because of what the entertainment industry(controlled by Satan) has imprinted in their minds and hearts.

Truly as Jehovah's people, we are ignorant of whatever schemes/tactics Satan uses to advance his falsehoods. (2Corinthians 2:11)

Whenever i say "only Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth" their friends will ask me to quote it from the Bible. But now it's becoming obvious to them that it's only our group that has what is called "unique faith" all of them are just dancing around the sugar of deceit Satan kept in the air.
It's the same thing all of them believe even the traditionalists also believe something survives death except Jehovah's Witnesses who diligently studied Genesis 2:7 compare to Ecclesiastes 12:7

livingchrist:
I thought you said nothing survives death, so after all the spirit does not die but returns to God.
But you lie, the spirit of man and that of animals are different

Ecclesiastes 3:21
Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

There is the spirit of man and the spirit of animals.

Guy, when NEPA takes the light the spirit that's energizing all your electronic equipments has returned to the source from where it came but your device remain with you, if you can get another source of power supply your device will start working perfectly again, that's exactly what the breath of life connotes not some part of you!

livingchrist:
I thought you said nothing survives death, so after all the spirit does not die but returns to God.
But you lie, the spirit of man and that of animals are different

Ecclesiastes 3:21
Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

There is the spirit of man and the spirit of animals.

Who is lying now?

God's word said "they all have the same spirit" [Eccl 3:19] but you're saying it is different!

MaxInDHouse:


Guy, when NEPA takes the light the spirit that's energizing all your electronic equipments has returned to the source from where it came but your device remain with you, if you can get another source of power supply your device will start working perfectly again, that's exactly what the breath of life connotes not some part of you!

Human being is not electronic device,
the spirit is not like electric energy.
Jesus commend his spirit to God which means something survives death atleast.

So Jesus spirit wasnt killed why did you say nothing survives death? It shows you dont even know what you are saying, since Jesus spirit did not die so how can you say he was resurrected as a Spirit when he didnt even die as a spirit.

What does Jesus mean when he said a Spirit does not have flesh and bones as his disciples saw him have? Does that not tell you he was not resurrected as a spirit?

AkinwaleJJ:


Who is lying now?

God's word said "they all have the same spirit" [Eccl 3:19] but you're saying it is different!

when has they all have one breath mean they all have one spirit?
So the oxygen you are breathing is your Spirit right?

@livingchrist, be humble and learn when JWs are speaking to you. Stop claiming you know. You don't know anything.

You need to understand Genesis 2:7 FIRST because it's little things like these that's confusing most of you.

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Do you know that ‘Spirit’ [Hebrew: ruach, Greek: pneuma] means several things in the Bible?
It can mean:
1. The breath of life in us.(Genesis 2:7, Ecclesiastes 12:7, Luke 23:46)
2. Spirit Persons i.e. Jehovah God and his army of angels. (Psalm 104:4, John 4:24)
3. God's holy spirit/active force.(Genesis 1:3, Psalm 33:6, Luke 11:13)
4. Tempest, wind, air in motion etc(Exodus 10:13, 1Kings 19:11, Job 21:18)

Meditate on each of these and then select, which ‘spirit’ Jesus was entrusting into Jehovah's hands.(Luke 23:46)

Ihedinobi3:


An honorable motive, my friend, and a godly aspiration. Of course, we cannot stop anyone who wants to believe lies from doing so, and we will not always be able to stand in a spot to show that a certain road in the fork leads nowhere good. Plus the Lord could always call us away to man another post.

The Lord strengthen you to your good work.

Guy go out there and make disciples, teach them how to become dedicated believers who are fully competent and completely equipped to stand out with their faith.
My Bible student last month almost beat up his neighbour had been i didn't step in it would have turned to a serious police case!
We visited him and his two sons quickly ran to pick their Bible study aids as usual then we heard a loud arguement in the yard only to find my student prepared to fight his neighbour!
It's was later i discovered that the neighbour was the one calling my students boys to disturb them from studying the Bible with us.
My student said

"This useless man has a family and none of his children is worth emulating, i'm battling vigorously to see that my own children study the Bible and become responsible and well meaning youths like JWs but this hopeless idiot always try to hinder my own children not to become Godly. Am i their father or him?"

That's the power of result! Go and tell my Bible student that JWs are teaching heresy now, what he will tell you is "if it's the heresy that's making them the best youths around, then i'll go for their heresy" James 2:18-26

livingchrist:
Human being is not electronic device,
the spirit is not like electric energy.
Jesus commend his spirit to God which means something survives death atleast.

So Jesus spirit wasnt killed why did you say nothing survives death? It shows you dont even know what you are saying, since Jesus spirit did not die so how can you say he was resurrected as a Spirit when he didnt even die as a spirit.

What does Jesus mean when he said a Spirit does not have flesh and bones as his disciples saw him have? Does that not tell you he was not resurrected as a spirit?

Story! Story!! Story!!!

Go out there and make disciples if you have what it takes to preach and teach, period!

livingchrist:
when has they all have one breath mean they all have one spirit?
So the oxygen you are breathing is your Spirit right?

And God proceeded to form the man out of the dust of the earth and to blow into his nostril the breath of life and the man became a living soul! Gene 2:7

YES the only thing that returns back to God is the breath of life in all creatures! Eccl 3:19, 12:7

AkinwaleJJ:


And God proceeded to form the man out of the dust of the earth and to blow into his nostril the breath of life and the man became a living soul! Gene 2:7

YES the only thing that returns back to God is the breath of life in all creatures! Eccl 3:19, 12:7

no need for this back and forth, so Spirit cannot die, so can what cannot die be resurrected?

DappaD:


Yes people saw him in the form of different materialised bodies just like Abraham saw angels who materialised into men(Genesis 18:1-8.)



So they won't die? Is that what you're saying? They will just stay and disappear?



What do you mean by ‘Spirits don't die’?
Do you know that ‘Spirit’ [Hebrew: ruach, Greek: pneuma] means several things in the Bible?
It can mean:
1. The breath of life in us.(Genesis 2:7, Ecclesiastes 12:7)
2. Spirit Persons i.e. Jehovah God and his army of angels. (Psalm 104:4, John 4:24)
3. God's holy spirit/active force.(Genesis 1:3, Psalm 33:6, Luke 11:13)
4. Tempest, wind etc

See, I won't reply to you anymore unless you're ready to understand the import of Genesis 2:7 here and that Jesus didn't have any spirit being inside him because when he was on earth, he was completely a HUMAN BEING.



One of the assignments Jesus was sent to complete on earth was to give up his life/soul as a ransom sacrifice to make atonement/do away with the sins of obedient mankind. (Matthew 20:28, 1Timothy 2:6)
And when he himself died on the torture stake, the breath of life in his nostrils was removed and then he became a dead soul. (Ecclesiastes 12:7, Luke 23:46)
He didn't keep living off somewhere else—as you might think. He offered up HIMSELF as a perfect lamb sacrifice once and for all—just as Daniel and Paul noted. His perfect human body served the purpose for the sacrifice of sins. (Daniel 9:24, Hebrews 9:26,28)

After completing his conquest, Jehovah God restored Jesus as a spirit creature that he once was before he came to the earth.(Job 38:7, Proverbs 8:22) But this time around, he was rewarded with the prize of immortality and more authority and honour was given to him.(Matthew 28:18, Romans 6:9-10, Philippians 2:9-11, 1Timothy 6:15)

You don't understand my question

On the first day of the week, the grave was empty. What happened to the dead body of Jesus?

AkinwaleJJ:


Who is lying now?

God's word said "they all have the same spirit" [Eccl 3:19] but you're saying it is different!

The breath of life is not your spirit. The breath of life is what keeps your spirit connected to your body and soul.

Once your breath of life is gone, your spirit and your soul seperates from your body.

Man is a spirit, that has a soul and lives in a body

MaxInDHouse:


When he became human he was completely human so at death he died just as Adam also died, nothing no soul no spirit survived Jesus he died completely just like any other man!

Nobody dies with their body, soul and Spirit. Death only affects the physical body. Spirits and souls don't die but at death they are seperated from the body.

MaxInDHouse:


Who taught you that?

The fact that they were created to live doesn't mean they can't die. The one who caused their existence equally has the power to kill them!

God created spirits to live forever. Infact, the real you is a spirit, that has a soul and lives in a body.

Everyone will live forever, some in heaven, some in hell fire.

Philippians 1:22-24

22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.

23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

The real paul( who is a spirit) wanted to leave his body and go to be with the Lord.

livingchrist:
no need for this back and forth, so Spirit cannot die, so can what cannot die be resurrected?

I keep asking you "who taught you that spirits can't die?"

The fact that God created life in spirit forms (angels) means he has the power to kill them which means they can die!

Depsui:


The breath of life is not your spirit. The breath of life is what keeps your spirit connected to your body and soul.

Once your breath of life is gone, your spirit and your soul seperates from your body.

Man is a spirit, that has a soul and lives in a body

Nollywood movie version don enter your head my guy, man is just a living soul with the breath of life just like any other creature!

Depsui:


Nobody dies with their body, soul and Spirit. Death only affects the physical body. Spirits and souls don't die but at death they are seperated from the body.

Nollywood!

Depsui:


God created spirits to live forever. Infact, the real you is a spirit, that has a soul and lives in a body.

Everyone will live forever, some in heaven, some in hell fire.

Philippians 1:22-24

22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.

23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

The real paul( who is a spirit) wanted to leave his body and go to be with the Lord.

@ bolded is your own personal interpretation of what you read.

So listen to my own interpretation.

Paul a human has been chosen to be part of those who will rule with Jesus in heaven, so during the first resurrection Paul will join the other 144,000 anointed brothers of Christ and they will be transformed into spirit life like angels.

Depsui:

You don't understand my question
On the first day of the week, the grave was empty. What happened to the dead body of Jesus?

Jehovah God saw fit to remove the body of Jesus Christ, just as he had previously done with Moses. (Deuteronomy 34:5,6) In order to fulfill what David said at Psalm 16:10 that the body of Jesus would not decompose.

If God hadn't removed Jesus' body, then the disciples wouldn't have fully understood what resurrection to life really meant because at that time there were a lot of things they didn't understand.
That's why several years later—after being taught by holy spirit(John 14:26, 16:13), they were now able to fully grasp the nature of Christ's resurrection and that's why Paul and Peter were inspired to write that Jesus was put to death in the weak/fleshly body but was resurrected as an immortal spirit body.(1Corinthians 15:42-44, 1Timothy 3:16, 1Peter 3:18)

livingchrist:
no need for this back and forth, so Spirit cannot die, so can what cannot die be resurrected?

There are three different words translated "spirit" in the Bible, so they are discerned by the context of the message.

(1) Spirits are forms of life like angles, they live and have a purpose.

(2) Spirit could also mean the breath of life in creatures.

(3) Spirit could also mean wind, for instance the spirit (wind) of change cool affect a nation and everyone will be clamoring for a change but it's not a living entity like an angel.

DappaD:


Jehovah God saw fit to remove the body of Jesus Christ, just as he had previously done with Moses. (Deuteronomy 34:5,6) In order to fulfill what David said at Psalm 16:10 that the body of Jesus would not decompose.

If God hadn't removed Jesus' body, then the disciples wouldn't have fully understood what resurrection to life really meant because at that time there were a lot of things they didn't understand.
That's why several years later—after being taught by holy spirit(John 14:26, 16:13), they were now able to fully grasp the nature of Christ's resurrection and that's why Paul and Peter were inspired to write that Jesus was put to death in the weak/fleshly body but was resurrected as an immortal spirit body.(1Corinthians 15:42-44, 1Timothy 3:16, 1Peter 3:18)

He thought since we don't believe in the resurrection of Jesus' physical body that means we don't believe in his resurrection.

Satan has really blinded them completely! 2Corinthians 4:4

What exactly are Jehovah's Witnesses preaching and teaching globally if not God's Kingdom made possible by the death and resurrection of Christ?

Depsui:

God created spirits to live forever.

Infact, the real you is a spirit, that has a soul and lives in a body.



Everyone will live forever, some in heaven, some in hell fire.
Philippians 1:22-24
22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.
The real paul( who is a spirit) wanted to leave his body and go to be with the Lord.

The bolded is just a feature in the movies of Olu Jacobs and Chiwetalu Agu.
It has nothing to do with the Scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:


He thought since we don't believe in the resurrection of Jesus' physical body that means we don't believe in his resurrection.

Satan has really blinded them completely! 2Corinthians 4:4

What exactly are Jehovah's Witnesses preaching and teaching globally if not God's Kingdom made possible by the death and resurrection of Christ?

Abi oo. If Jesus wasn't resurrected as an immortal spirit being, then how can he now assume Kingship in God's Kingdom, since we know flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom?(1Corinthians 15:50)