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Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by seyi360(m): 5:50pm On Oct 26, 2020 |
Some claim it exists only in the imagination of those who invoke it, while many believe in it's efficacy and potency. Which side of the divide do you stand? No sitting on fence here . |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by HRHQueenPhil(f): 8:02pm On Oct 26, 2020 |
seyi360:Holy Ghost fire is as real as day. Ask for it...it's also called refiner's fire..capable of burning up evry satanic habit just like it killed d taste for sin in the life of St. Augustine and many firebrand Christians 2 Likes |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by Shawl001(m): 9:06pm On Oct 26, 2020 |
Truth is, The Holy Spirit is a Person. He has will, emotion, intelligence, feelings, etc. He is the Spirit of God. Now, Fire is an effect, a demonstration, a result, of the workings of the Holy Spirit. Another context of Fire is that of God being a Consuming Fire. He consumes His enemies. To answer your question, I haven't come across a place where the Disciples or Jesus invoked the "Holy Ghost Fire". Yes, We can call down fire, but not "Holy Ghost fire"...as we call it. 2 Likes |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by Kobojunkie: 9:18pm On Oct 26, 2020 |
HRHQueenPhil:ROFLMAO! Did Jesus Christ know of this? Obviously not because when Jesus Christ told Peter that Satan has requested to test him, Peter, like a farmer tests his wheat. Jesus Christ, must have forgotten to call on this ghost fire to destroy Satan. Because instead Jesus Christ told Peter that He had prayed for him, Peter, not to loose his faith during the test. He must have forgotten to call on this ghost fire you speak of to burn Satan to ashes instead. By the way, the Apostle Jude warned against your thinking it your place to rebuke Satan. He made it clear that even the Angels did not even rebuke Him directly, so you should never attempt such.
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Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by jesusjnr2020(m): 9:34pm On Oct 26, 2020 |
seyi360:It really exists. It's the Fire that was in the burning bush that Moses saw which wasn't being consumed. It's the Fire that appeared and sat on the heads of the apostles and the others on the day of Pentecost. It's the same Fire that burns in me. It's the Fire of life, so it's meant to heal and save men's lives not destroy them. God bless. 3 Likes |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by CaptMarvel(m): 10:49pm On Oct 26, 2020 |
seyi360:old testament believers won't ask this question! |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by BetterChurch: 11:13pm On Oct 26, 2020 |
Yes, there is. IT is The Light of God |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by Goshen360(m): 11:36pm On Oct 26, 2020 |
HRHQueenPhil: Give us scriptures and explain |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by seyi360(m): 12:00am On Oct 27, 2020 |
CaptMarvel: Don't box me yet, you can't be sure where I stand |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by HRHQueenPhil(f): 1:42am On Oct 27, 2020 |
Goshen360:https://www.openbible.info/topics/holy_spirit_fire all d references u want is there |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by Goshen360(m): 2:00am On Oct 27, 2020 |
HRHQueenPhil: You're speaking in tongues without interpretation. Give us one scripture that says Holy Ghost FIRE. All you did was go to a website that conjured all kinds of scriptures that doesn't address the question. 1 Like |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by Acehart: 5:00am On Oct 27, 2020 |
HRHQueenPhil: Malachi 3:2 “But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap. We Christians should be careful to say a lot of things that have no scriptural backing and thereby leading many people to hell. The scripture above shows that Christ is like the refiner’s fire, and not the inanimate use of the word “it” you used to describe Him. Even Malachi was using a comparison and not the crude interpretation you gave. If studying the Bible is not your forte, stop commenting so that your words will not kill the soul. There is nothing like “Holy Ghost Fire” in the scriptures; the only thing that burns up satanic habit is the Grace of sanctification according the gospel. If the scripture is your love, you would know that in contrast to the fire of terror of Mount Sinai, the fire of assurance and comfort is what burns on Mount Zion, the same fire that caused the ‘burning bush’ not to burn. |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by seyi360(m): 8:09am On Oct 27, 2020 |
Acehart: Does the term Holy ghost power exist? |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by seyi360(m): 8:11am On Oct 27, 2020 |
Goshen360: What about Holy ghost power? |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by Kobojunkie: 8:31am On Oct 27, 2020 |
seyi360:According to the gospels, the Spirit of God is in fact the same power that lived inside Jesus Christ. P.S. For those who are not aware, there is no record of Jesus Christ invoking or calling fire from the Holy Spirit within Him, nor from Heaven, to burn down --demons, devils, and enemies included. |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:43am On Oct 27, 2020 |
There's nothing as such, God destroyed Noah's rebellious contemporaries through a global deluge, if we're to go by the logic of Churchgoers there should be "Holy Ghost deluge/rain" God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah with hail Holy Ghost hail God struck Egypt with different plagues so the should be Holy Ghost ~ snakes, water turn to blood, frogs, gnats, hails, flies and so on shey? God splitted the red sea hence Holy Ghost divider! God demolished Jericho hence Holy Ghost bulldozer! God made sun to stand still hence Holy Ghost stoppage! God turned the fairy furnace Nebuchadnezzar threw the three Hebrews into air conditioner hence Holy Ghost cooler! God caused Mary to get pregnant without sex hence Holy Ghost conception! So the idea of Holy Ghost fire is propagated by hardhearted and stubborn religionsists who are nursing the idea of taking vengeance into their own hands in contrast to what Jesus taught us to forgive and pray for our enemies. Jesus' followers also had the same line of thought but he rebuked them! Luke 9:51-56 |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by seyi360(m): 9:33am On Oct 27, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse: You took it too far, whatever happened in the old testament was the effect of God's direct dealings without any intermediary. Attaching the Holy ghost to rain, bullzoder, divider all of which happened in the old covenant is a trivialization of the subject and an attempt to disrupt the order of dispensational dominance by members of the Trinity. However, you're right about the conception of virgin Mary which was a function of Holy ghost intervention . Hence, let's focus on the Holy ghost dominated new testament . |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:04am On Oct 27, 2020 |
That means there shouldn't be any mention of Holy Ghost activities in the old covenant shey? OK what about other Ananiah and Sapphira been killed hence Holy Ghost killer! Paul got blind hence Holy Ghost blindness! Herod was struck and maggots eat him at the stance Holy Ghost maggots! The truth is God's holy spirit works in various ways so laying undue emphasis on fire is totally out of sense! seyi360: |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by seyi360(m): 10:18am On Oct 27, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse: Kindly do me the honor of explaining the "power" in Acts 1:8 " But ye shall receive power after that the Holy ghost comes on you.......... |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by Shawl001(m): 10:38am On Oct 27, 2020 |
seyi360: Let me try to make this clearer. When Jesus said, "and ye shall recieve POWER...", The power here is an enablement, an effect, (just as in the case of the FIRE). Jesus was trying to portray that, whenever one recieve the Holy Ghost upon you, He deposits POWER on you, and this enable you to become a witness unto Him and the Host of Heaven. This power is not a person, but like an energy at work in you, a propelling force to do what you couldn't do before, or ever think of doing. This power only comes by the effect of the Holy Spirit/the Spirit of God. (Check both the Old and New Testaments). In conclusion, the Holy Ghost Power is an effect, not an entity, just as the Holy Ghost Fire. These are dimension He (the Spirit) manifests Himself. 1 Like |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by Acehart: 11:04am On Oct 27, 2020 |
seyi360: Of course it does. It’s just a description of the power of the Holy Ghost. Any and all of the following are descriptions of His power: 1. By the power of the Holy Spirit Jesus was conceived in the womb of the Virgin Mary. 2. He is the giver of life. (Gen. 7:22, 2:7; Romans 8:11; John 6:63). 3. He is God; therefore, He is all-powerful (Gen.1:2). He is the Spirit of God and Christ. 4. He gives the power, nine-fold, behind the Church of Christ. 5. The power of the Holy Spirit acts and speak through the disciples of Jesus in time of need: "Be not anxious beforehand what ye shall speak: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye; for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Spirit." 6. It makes a baby in the womb to have the power to communicate with the mother. 7. He gives power for prophecy to be fulfilled. He makes true prophecy accurate. 8. The Holy Spirit was the "life principle" of the early Church. 9. He gave Jesus the power to be successful when He was in the flesh. 10. He gives power for confession of Christ as Lord. 11. He makes the sinner believe the gospel. He who leads persons to the Father and the Son. He acts to convince the unredeemed person both of the sinfulness of their actions and of their moral standing as sinners before God. 12. He is everywhere. 13. He casts out demons (Matt.12:28). 14. He is the leader of the New Covenant order (Romans 8:14) 15. Through Him, one is obedient to the Father: He led Jesus to be crucified out of obedience to the father, Hebrews 9:14 states that Jesus "through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish unto God". 16. He is the Sanctifier, Comforter, and the Giver of graces. 17. He is The Creator Spirit, present before the creation of the universe and through his power everything was made in Jesus Christ, by God the Father. 18. The Holy Spirit enables Christian life by dwelling in the individual believers and enables them to live a righteous and faithful life. 17. He alone enables interpretation of the scriptures, for each saint and the church. He gives inspiration to believers. 18. He is anonymous. When next you think of the term “Holy Ghost Power”, think of these things. Anything outside what the scriptures speaks of Him is falsehood. If there is any fire that should be attributed to Him, it is the fire that burns in a believer to glorify Christ. 1 Like |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by seyi360(m): 12:08pm On Oct 27, 2020 |
Hrhqueenphil, captmarvel, shawn001, Acehart and others who have commented, I commend the attitude showcased so far. No insults, no mockery, just clean arguments brought to the table. |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by seyi360(m): 12:25pm On Oct 27, 2020 |
Let me attempt to exegete Acts 1:8 "But ye shall receive power after that the Holy ghost is come upon you" The word "power" is from the Greek word " dunamis" translated as "explosive power" From which we have the 2 English words 1 Dynamite - explosive and destructive power 2 Dynamo - constructive power Let's espouse on the dynamite dimension of the word "dunamis". We all know that there can be no explosion without fire. In fact, all explosions lead to fire. Whether it's banger, gas or grenade explosion, the result is fire. Hence, explosion and fire are inseparable. Thus, if the power in Acts 1:8 is an explosive power in the original Greek text, does that not suggest to us that the power promised is the type of power which is laced with fire. In fact , when a bomb is activated. After the bang, what you see is fire. The fire continues to burn long after the explosion sound disappears. On this premise, if there is such thing as Holy ghost power, it stands to reason that Holy ghost fire also exists. The fire is in the power The Greek word "dunamis" lends credence to this. That was a brief etymology of the "Power" mentioned in Acts 1:8 No one knows it all, we are all learning. |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:43pm On Oct 27, 2020 |
The power has nothing to do with the useless slogan Churchgoers are spewing up and down. Jesus himself explained what will be the aftereffect of the power "you will be Witnesses of me throughout the world" What Jesus preached and taught doesn't sound palatable in the hears of arrogant, rebellious and stubborn religionsists, it was because of his speeches that he was killed, and Jesus maintained his calmness all through even when he has the power to unleash God's wrath on his enemies. So the power is to change the natural ways his followers will respond respond to criticism and maintain their stance on the teachings of their leader even in the face of fierce opposition. Not to start expecting God to come and intervene to destroy same people you're preaching to with the intention to convert. So in this respect i can tell you categorically that the one and only group in possession of this power are Jehovah's Witnesses! I know stubborn and arrogant Churchgoers will come up to argue blindly but when you're saying something yet there is no evidence of what you're trying to establish it simply means what you're saying is false. Only Jehovah's Witnesses are the evidence that what Jesus taught in action could be observed in the activities of his followers all other religions are just for lip service! seyi360: |
Re: Is There Such Thing As "Holy Ghost Fire"? by Goshen360(m): 3:49pm On Oct 29, 2020 |
seyi360: Nothing like Holy Ghost power. Look at this... You shall receive POWER AFTER that the Hoy Ghost has come upon you. He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with power.....the conjuction in the Greek reads....the Holy Ghost WHICH IS power or WHICH IS WITH power. How God anointed Jesus Christ of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost AND (WHICH IS) power. |
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