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Barristter07:
Happy combat in advance



Freed from sin simple and clear, remind me again: what's the wages for sin? They have paid it when they died. So they are no longer sinners when they are ressurected. Jesus Ransom in action. This cancel out your stinking body theory. They got a perfect body like everyone else on Earth.

If they paid for their sins with their death then, they do not need Christ death. How can Jesus ransome be in action when they already paid for their sins, lie lie barrister.

This judgement is not based on what they did before they die. But what they did within the 1000 years of Jesus reign.

Their sins before they died are cancelled. They paid the wages already

who cancelled their sins? You


Lie,lie barrister, why did Jesus say men will give account on the day of judgment?

Lie, lie barrister if dead people sins are canceled,
Why did Jesus still talk of sodom and gomorrah partaking in the jugdment?


.Matthew 11:24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

Why did Jesus say it tyre and sidon will experience a greater jugdment on the judgment day than sodom and gomorrah? Since the people of tryre and sidon are dead, it means Jesus words are in vain right?

You are just a pathetic liar barrister


Lie lie, they wont be part of the 1000 years

Revelation 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The rest of the dead will only lived after the 1000 years are over. Lie lie barrister

Fraudster, let me remind you
They are raised Spiritual body. Which is SPIRIT body ..

John 3:6 what is born of Spirit is SPIRIT .

Those going to heaven are not Physical bodies.

Like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly . They will have Jesus kinda Spirit body.

Let that John 3:6 sink inside you.

so those Christian's that didnt resurrect with Spirit body, whose image did they bear?

Barristter07:
Firstly: Do you agree those going to heaven will become Spirit beings as highlighted in John 3:6 ?

lie, lie barrister on the beat,
Jesus said without being born of the spirit no man can enter into God's kingdom, the question is, those who will not be in God's kingdom where will they be?

livingchrist:
Of they paid for their sins with their death then, they do not need Christ death. How can Jesus ransome be in action when they already paid for their sins, lie lie barrister.


Lie,lie barrister, why did Jesus say men will give account on the day of judgment?
Lie lie, they wont be part of the 1000 years

Revelation 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished . This is the first resurrection.

The rest of the dead will only lived after the 1000 years are over. Lie lie barrister

whom did Christ and other SPIRIT born Christian's rule over for the 1000 years since the dead are not ressurected yet ?

so those Christian's that didnt resurrect with Spirit body, whose image did they bear?

The focus now is those Christian's that are raised with SPIRIT body , since their ressurection is in the likeness of Christ, do you now accept Christ is a Spirit person?

livingchrist:
lie, lie barrister on the beat,

John 3:6 is now lie lie to you, tiki taka

Since those Christian's going to heaven become Spirit persons, What does that make Jesus ?

Jesus said without being born of the spirit no man can enter into God's kingdom, the question is, those who will not be in God's kingdom where will they be?

Where John the Baptist will be , you know he won't be in God's kingdom too ?

livingchrist:
If they paid for their sins with their death then, they do not need Christ death. How can Jesus ransome be in action when they already paid for their sins, lie lie barrister.

Imagine this interpretation

But the same people will still tell you that, Jehovah will not resurrect evil doers.

If by death everyone paid for their sin, we can then ask, why Jehovah won't resurrect some people then?

Lie,lie barrister, why did Jesus say men will give account on the day of judgment?

Lie, lie barrister if dead people sins are canceled,
Why did Jesus still talk of sodom and gomorrah partaking in the jugdment?


.Matthew 11:24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

Why did Jesus say it tyre and sidon will experience a greater jugdment on the judgment day than sodom and gomorrah? Since the people of tryre and sidon are dead, it means Jesus words are in vain right?

You are just a pathetic liar barrister


Lie lie, they wont be part of the 1000 years

Revelation 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The rest of the dead will only lived after the 1000 years are over. Lie lie barrister

1000 years was not in their twisted Bible

so those Christian's that didnt resurrect with Spirit body, whose image did they bear?

Just watch, he will never answer this question.

livingchrist:
lie lie, Yes there are two types of resurrection, the first resurrection is for those who were killed for Christ and didnt receive the mark of the beast, the rest dead did not live until the thousand years are over
Revelation 20:4-6 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Those who partake of the first resurrection will not partake by the second dead.
No sinner will be raised in the first resurrection until the thousand years are over, that means till after christ reign on earth is over.

So what will be happening during the 1,000years? Who will Christ and the 144,000 rule over? Don't you reason? The book of Revelation isn't exactly written in chronological order.

For example, the latter part of chapter 16 talks about the gathering of the kings of the earth to Armageddon i.e. the war of the great day of God Almighty. Chapter 17&18 talks extensively about the destruction and desolation of Babylon the Great by those kings of the earth.
BUT!
The destruction of Babylon the Great is to happen before Armageddon. Catch the drift here?


Now back to Revelation 20:7-8, who are the people Satan is going to mislead at the end of the 1,000years? Who will they plan to launch an attack on? (vs 9)
Look, even, at verse 12 and 13 for a moment. Verse 12 says the dead, great and small will stand before the throne but verse 13 now says the sea, death and Hades(Grave) [not mutually exclusive terms] will give up those dead in them? So which one is to happen first? The judgment or the resurrection? Since it's not written in chronological order?
You're going to have to understand that the 1,000year rule of Christ is the same as the “Judgment Day” you've hearing about. But I'm not going to bother you much on that for now.
So who now told you that the “dead” to be resurrected are all sinners? Is that what Acts 24:15 says? Is Abraham a sinner? Know today that the “dead” will all be alive during the 1,000years.

Besides the “dead” i.e. not declared righteous for everlasting life yet are going to be judged out of the new scrolls in verse 12. So how will they be judged for what they don't know about if they aren't given a period of test i.e. the 1000years?
The Bible makes it clear that Jehovah is a fair Judge(Genesis 18:25, James 4:12) so he's going to give the “unjust” ones time to change their ways DURING the 1,000years and anybody who still proves rebellious will be removed immediately.(Isaiah 65:20, Revelation 20:15)

Barristter07:
whom did Christ and other SPIRIT born Christian's rule over for the 1000 years since the dead are not ressurected yet ?



The focus now is those Christian's that are raised with SPIRIT body , since their ressurection is in the likeness of Christ, do you now accept Christ is a Spirit person?

those Christian's that will not be raised with Spirit body whose image will they bear?

Barristter07:
John 3:6 is now lie lie to you, tiki taka

Since those Christian's going to heaven become Spirit persons, What does that make Jesus ?

lie, lie fraudulent Barristter, without being born of the spirit no one will see the kingdom of God.

Where John the Baptist will be , you know he won't be in God's kingdom too ?

more daftness, where was it written that John the baptist wont be in God's kingdom, liar.

Emusan:
Imagine this interpretation

But the same people will still tell you that, Jehovah will not resurrect evil doers.

If by death everyone paid for their sin, we can then ask, why Jehovah won't resurrect some people then?



1000 years was not in their twisted Bible



Just watch, he will never answer this question.

He never replies, He just spew any trash that he feels like, hoping to decieve unsuspecting victims.
You can imagine, saying people pay for their sins when they die

DappaD:
So what will be happening during the 1,000years? Who will Christ and the 144,000 rule over? Don't you reason? The book of Revelation isn't exactly written in chronological order.

For example, the latter part of chapter 16 talks about the gathering of the kings of the earth to Armageddon i.e. the war of the great day of God Almighty. Chapter 17&18 talks extensively about the destruction and desolation of Babylon the Great by those kings of the earth.
BUT!
The destruction of Babylon the Great is to happen before Armageddon. Catch the drift here?


Now back to Revelation 20:7-8, who are the people Satan is going to mislead at the end of the 1,000years? Who will they plan to launch an attack on? (vs 9)
Look, even, at verse 12 and 13 for a moment. Verse 12 says the dead, great and small will stand before the throne but verse 13 now says the sea, death and Hades(Grave) [not mutually exclusive terms] will give up those dead in them? So which one is to happen first? The judgment or the resurrection? Since it's not written in chronological order?
You're going to have to understand that the 1,000year rule of Christ is the same as the “Judgment Day” you've hearing about. But I'm not going to bother you much on that for now.
So who now told you that the “dead” to be resurrected are all sinners? Is that what Acts 24:15 says? Is Abraham a sinner? Know today that the “dead” will all be alive during the 1,000years.

Besides the “dead” i.e. not declared righteous for everlasting life yet are going to be judged out of the new scrolls in verse 12. So how will they be judged for what they don't know about if they aren't given a period of test i.e. the 1000years?
The Bible makes it clear that Jehovah is a fair Judge(Genesis 18:25, James 4:12) so he's going to give the “unjust” ones time to change their ways DURING the 1,000years and anybody who still proves rebellious will be removed immediately.(Isaiah 65:20, Revelation 20:15)

fraud,
The rest of the dead do not live until after the thousand years.
Why are you so dull?

Revelation 20:5
But [b]the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.[/b]This is the first resurrection.

livingchrist:
fraud,
The rest of the dead do not live until after the thousand years.
Why are you so dull?

Revelation 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

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Look, even, at verse 12 and 13 for a moment. Verse 12 says the dead, great and small will stand before the throne but verse 13 now says the sea, death and Hades(Grave) [not mutually exclusive terms] will give up those dead in them? So which one is to happen first? The judgment or the resurrection? Since it's not written in chronological order?

When you answer the above—then explain the meaning of Luke 15:24,32. In the parable told by Jesus, how come the prodigal son was said to be dead and then made alive? We can use the analogy to arrive at what Revelation 20:5 truly means.

DappaD:
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[s]When you answer the above—then explain the meaning of Luke 15:24,32. In the parable told by Jesus, how come the prodigal son was said to be dead and then made alive? We can use the analogy to arrive at what Revelation 20:5 truly means.[/s]

you have being dodging my questions but you expect me to answer yours?
Fraud Dappa,
Confusion and more lies, so Revelation 20: 5 is about the prodigal son? lie lie.
Use the analogy to check your brain.

livingchrist:
those Christian's that will not be raised with Spirit body whose image will they bear?

1 Corinthians15:45-48
45 The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.”[h] But the last Adam—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit. 46 What comes first is the natural body, then the spiritual body comes later. 47 Adam, the first man, was made from the dust of the earth, while Christ, the second man, came from heaven. 48 Earthly people are like the earthly man, and heavenly people are like the heavenly man."

Clarity and Emphasis on 1Cor15:47-48 & Matthew 5:3,5.
Jesus Christ and Paul says your mumu done do.

livingchrist:
you have being dodging my questions but you expect me to answer yours?
Fraud Dappa,
Confusion and more lies, so Revelation 20: 5 is about the prodigal son? lie lie.
Use the analogy to check your brain.

So who will Satan mislead at the end of the 1,000 years if the “dead” aren't resurrected before then?
Again, the visions in the Revelation to John aren't exactly given in chronological order.
When you're done fooling around, please give me a sound reply with regards the parable of the Prodigal son. We know the illustration is meant to portray Jehovah as being receptive of those who choose to leave his organization but later return. So now how was the son said to be “dead but come to life” in this context?

Janosky:
1 Corinthians15:45-48
45 The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.”[h] But the last Adam—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit. 46 What comes first is the natural body, then the spiritual body comes later. 47 Adam, the first man, was made from the dust of the earth, while Christ, the second man, came from heaven. 48 Earthly people are like the earthly man, and heavenly people are like the heavenly man."

Clarity and Emphasis on 1Cor15:47-48 & Matthew 5:3,5.
Jesus Christ and Paul says your mumu done do.

You are very dull, my question is clear, whose image are the Christians not raised in Spirit body going to bear? Adam or Jesus

livingchrist:
those Christian's that will not be raised with Spirit body whose image will they bear?

Correct yourself , it's called the image of the heavenly one. , Because it's strictly for those going to heaven as Spirit beings.

Those that will be raised Spirit are the ones going to heaven. And like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly. Spirit nature like Christ.

Those tht will inherit the earth will be in the image of the one made of dust. , , Adam. 1 Cor 15:47-49 .

livingchrist:
lie, lie fraudulent Barristter, without being born of the spirit no one will see the kingdom of God.



more daftness, where was it written that John the baptist wont be in God's kingdom, liar.

Matt 11:11 , Do you now agree John the Baptist won't be in God's kingdom ?

Barristter07:
Correct yourself , it's called the image of the heavenly one. , Because it's strictly for those going to heaven as Spirit beings.

Those that will be raised Spirit are the ones going to heaven. And like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly. Spirit nature like Christ.

1.Jesus was never resurrected as a Spirit being
Luke 24:37, 39 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

2. Paul said all Christians shall be transformed and also bear the image of Jesus.
1 Corinthians 15:49, 51 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,


Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Those tht will inherit the earth will be in the image of the one made of dust. , , Adam. 1 Cor 15:47-49 .

those who bear the image of the earthy cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.


The image of the earthy is flesh and blood which cannot be in God's kingdom

Barristter07:
Matt 11:11 , Do you now agree John the Baptist won't be in God's kingdom ?

you are very daft, so because Jesus said that the least in the kingdom is greater than John the baptist means John the baptist wont enter God's kingdom.
The kingdom of God include both the new heaven and the new earth.
Anyone not part of God's kingdom will automatically be in the lake of fire.
Are you aware that God's kingdom is the realm where God's will is done?
If you are not part of God's kingdom you are damned.
Jesus said the least in God's kingdom is greater than John the baptist.
Meaning in the future when God's kingdom finally takes over the least in God's kingdom would be greater than John the baptists present position when he was alive.
Read the preceding verse

Matthew 11:11
Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Context is key in comprehension
Jesus said no one born of women is greater than John the baptist does that also includes Jesus because Jesus was born by a woman?
Going by your logic John the baptist is greater than Jesus and If John cannot be in the kingdom then Jesus will not be also.
You see how senile your logic is?

DappaD:
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When you answer the above—then explain the meaning of Luke 15:24,32. In the parable told by Jesus, how come the prodigal son was said to be dead and then made alive? We can use the analogy to arrive at what Revelation 20:5 truly means.

the prodigal son was not physically dead so your analogy is a dead one.
Except you want to tell me that the dead in revelation 20 were not physically dead

.Revelation 20:4-5 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


Except you want to tell me the dead were not truly dead like the prodigal son.
You such a huge joke

Barristter07:
Matt 11:11 , Do you now agree John the Baptist won't be in God's kingdom ?

only a fool would say that the greatest man born
would not make it into God's Kingdom
that would mean that no man will make it into God's Kingdom

Mat 11:11  Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.


john, born of woman(flesh)
no man of flesh was greater than john

the least of those in heaven(Spirit Beings) is greater than any man(flesh) born of woman

livingchrist:

the prodigal son was not physically dead so your analogy is a dead one.
Except you want to tell me that the dead in revelation 20 were not physically dead
.Revelation 20:4-5 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Except you want to tell me the dead were not truly dead like the prodigal son.
You such a huge joke

@Luke 20:37-38, Jesus spoke of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as “living”. But the crowds listening to him know that those faithful men had all fallen asleep in death who “know nothing at all”(Psalm 146:4, Ecclesiastes 9:5-6) so does the fact that Jesus speaks of them as “living” mean that they're actually alive somewhere? Of course not. They're all in the Grave—a state/condition of inactivity and nonexistence—waiting to be called upon on the day of resurrection.(Job 14:13-15, Isaiah 26:19, Hosea 13:14, John 5:28,29, Acts 24:15)


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Simple question I asked: In what way was the Prodigal son “dead but made alive” ?


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Also, what's your take on Ephesians 2:1,5? How were the Christians in Ephesus, though dead in their trespasses and former sinful conduct, now “made alive” through faith in Christ’s ransom sacrifice? This inference will help us solve the issue at Revelation 20:5.

MaxInDHouse:
This shows that you don't even know what you want!
Your argument from the very first time i knew you is against the one and only group worshipping God, yet you failed to realize that none of those thirsty and hungry to get such will never stop in their search until they find it {Luke 15:8-10 } and at the same time all those not interested will never see it as a necessity, think of Pontius Pilate, after hearing Jesus' utterance about the TRUTH he asked "what is truth" {John 18:38} as a Politician his interest here is all about a young Jewish guy who supposed to have a bright future but here is being sentenced to death by his own people!
He felt there could be a way to get Jesus out of trouble not knowing that nothing could make Jesus not to die that very day!
So even if persons like you are born by someone who feels the need of one group worshipping God, you will certainly find your way out since you don't feel something of that nature exists!
That's the secret, so if you guys truly want to reach out to dedicated JWs, the only key to reach our medulla oblongata is the presentation of a better performing group sikena!

This shows that you don't even know what you want!

How do you know what HOPELESS and USELESS people want?

Dear brothers and sisters,Though the GB has ordered us not to engage Apostates due to the way these despicable elements always argue fruitlessly

What is the essence of your response to my post in relation to your letter captured up there


Let us shun them completely just as the GB has ordered. See you when all workers of iniquity are gone for good!

no be today I know you. Mr I AM THROUGH WITH YOU.

DappaD:
@Luke 20:37-38, Jesus spoke of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as “living”. But the crowds listening to him know that those faithful men had all fallen asleep in death who “know nothing at all”(Psalm 146:4, Ecclesiastes 9:5-6) so does the fact that Jesus speaks of them as “living” mean that they're actually alive somewhere? Of course not. They're all in the Grave—a state/condition of inactivity and nonexistence—waiting to be called upon on the day of resurrection.(Job 14:13-15, Isaiah 26:19, Hosea 13:14, John 5:28,29, Acts 24:15)

that is because Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were not dead spiritually.

Luke 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

Jesus wasnt talking of physical living but spiritual one.

If the dead are non existence why will they be waiting for resurrection? Why will they be in the grave?

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Simple question I asked: In what way was the Prodigal son “dead but made alive” ?


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Also, what's your take on Ephesians 2:1,5? How were the Christians in Ephesus, though dead in their trespasses and former sinful conduct, now “made alive” through faith in Christ’s ransom sacrifice? This inference will help us solve the issue at Revelation 20:5.

The prodigal son was dead to the father because he was separated from the father.
Physical death is the separation of soul/spirit from the body while the body returns to dust the spirit returns to God.

Spiritual death is the separation of soul/spirit from God.

In every way, death involves separation.

There is no issue at Revelation 20vv5 because it exposes your fraudulent teaching you started having issues with it.

Mind you vs 5 is a continuation of vv4,

Revelation 20:4-5 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

livingchrist:
1.Jesus was never resurrected as a Spirit being
Luke 24:37, 39 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

2. Paul said all Christians shall be transformed and also bear the image of Jesus.
1 Corinthians 15:49, 51 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,


Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

The apostles who wrote all this are born of the spirit with heavenly hope, Likewise any other persons born of the Spirit, Jesus said they will become Spirit beings. John 3:6 what is born of spirit is Spirit . , just as God is spirit. And without any physical body.


Read the red, They must have the same body with Jesus

So clearly Jesus is a Spirit being. The manifestation to his disciples was not different from the ones angels did in the past and they are even called men.

those who bear the image of the earthy cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

The image of the earthy is flesh and blood which cannot be in God's kingdom

The Bible use Flesh and blood to represent human beings. you just shot yourself in the foot concerning Jesus having human body .

Yes Humans cannot inherit God's abode in heaven.

The Bible said Earth is their home. The earth he has given to the sons of men. The context of that verse was a reference to heavenly life.

livingchrist:
you are very daft, so because Jesus said that the least in the kingdom is greater than John the baptist means John the baptist wont enter God's kingdom.
The kingdom of God include both the new heaven and the new earth.
Anyone not part of God's kingdom will automatically be in the lake of fire.
Are you aware that God's kingdom is the realm where God's will is done?
If you are not part of God's kingdom you are damned.
Jesus said the least in God's kingdom is greater than John the baptist.

Read the preceding verse

Matthew 11:11
Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Context is key in comprehension
Jesus said no one born of women is greater than John the baptist does that also includes Jesus because Jesus was born by a woman?
Going by your logic John the baptist is greater than Jesus and If John cannot be in the kingdom then Jesus will not be also.
You see how senile your logic is?

Jesus doesn't have an human Father. When he says born of woman, it was a reference to humans born by Sexual intercourse.

" The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all. " - John John 7:31

Can you rest now ?

Meaning in the future when God's kingdom finally takes over the least in God's kingdom would be greater than John the baptists present position when he was alive.

Please Jesus didn't say the least in God's kingdom will be greater than John the Baptist PRESENT POSITION.

You this fraudster. He said the least person is Greater than John!!!! John himself !!!!

How will John be in God's kingdom when the least person there is greater than him ? Tiki taka

johnw47:
only a fool would say that the greatest man born
would not make it into God's Kingdom
that would mean that no man will make it into God's Kingdom

Mat 11:11  Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.


john, born of woman(flesh)
no man of flesh was greater than john

the least of those in heaven(Spirit Beings) is greater than any man(flesh) born of woman

I like your explanation. So do you now agree Kingdom of God can be a reference to heaven where spirit beings live and not earth?

" I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John; yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he." Luke 7:28

livingchrist:
that is because Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were not dead spiritually.
Luke 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
Jesus wasnt talking of physical living but spiritual one.

Let me answer for you. Jesus spoke of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as living in God's standpoint because their resurrection was very very sure. That's the essence of the resurrection.
In fact, when you look at the way Jesus transitioned from talking about the holy ones who would be resurrected like angels in heavens TO Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who would be resurrected here on earth, you'll notice that he's talking about two types of resurrection because Abraham, Isaac and Jacob aren't worthy of entering into heaven since they aren't part of the “little flock” arrangement—just like John the Baptist was excluded from the arrangement.(Matthew 11:11, Luke 12:32)

If the dead are non existence why will they be waiting for resurrection? Why will they be in the grave?

Am I not the one to ask you this question? What's the essence of a resurrection if they were already living as spirits somewhere?

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The prodigal son was dead to the father because he was separated from the father.

Didn't the prodigal son and his father separate on good terms? You've not still answered this question. Hint: The parable is meant to portray Jehovah God as being receptive of those who leave his organization and later return.

Physical death is the separation of soul/spirit from the body while the body returns to dust the spirit returns to God.
Spiritual death is the separation of soul/spirit from God.

Why adding pepper, and salt to the meaning of “death” ?
The human body is made from dust, when the breath of life is in his nostrils, he is a living soul. When it is not, he is a dead soul. (Genesis 2:7)
Stick to the scriptures when making points please.

In every way, death involves separation.

So when Lazarus died, where did he go to? Did he go to heaven? Why was he still in the tomb when Jesus called him out?
Jesus himself likened death to a deep dreamless sleep—the state of unconsciousness and a dead person isn't aware of the passage of time. (John 11:11-14)

There is no issue at Revelation 20vv5 because it exposes your fraudulent teaching you started having issues with it.
Mind you vs 5 is a continuation of vv4,
Revelation 20:4-5 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Again, the book of Revelation isn't written in sequential order. Since you say verse 5 is a continuation of verse 4, then who will the holy ones—144,000 rule and judge? Because Paul said that himself and other anointed Christians would judge the world.(1Corinthians 6:2) so if the “dead” aren't resurrected before then, who will Christ & 144,000 judge during the 1,000years?

Barristter07:
I like your explanation. So do you now agree Kingdom of God can be a reference to heaven where spirit beings live and not earth?

" I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John; yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he." Luke 7:28

lie lie barrister
when did i ever say heaven is not part of God's Kingdom

you people - satans mob, cannot stop lying ever, of course:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Rev 21:8  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Barristter07:
The apostles who wrote all this are born of the spirit with heavenly hope, Likewise any other persons born of the Spirit, Jesus said they will become Spirit beings. John 3:6 what is born of spirit is Spirit . , just as God is spirit. And without any physical body.


Read the red, They must have the same body with Jesus

Jesus was resurrected with flesh and bones, so his disciples also will have the same. There is nothing like resurrected as Spirit being.
Jesus said without being born of the spirit no one can enter into God's kingdom.

So clearly Jesus is a Spirit being. The manifestation to his disciples was not different from the ones angels did in the past and they are even called men.


The Bible use Flesh and blood to represent human beings. you just shot yourself in the foot concerning Jesus having human body .

Yes Humans cannot inherit God's abode in heaven.

The Bible said Earth is their home. The earth he has given to the sons of men. The context of that verse was a reference to heavenly life.

I didnt shoot myself, you are confused.
Flesh and blood represent the natural human being.
If you cant enter into God's kingdom then you are thrown into the lake of fire.


Matthew 13:41-42 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Barristter07:
Jesus doesn't have an human Father. When he says born of woman, it was a reference to humans born by Sexual intercourse.

" The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all. " - John John 7:31

but Jesus was born by a woman, so following your logic John the Baptist is greater than Jesus.

Can you rest now ?



Please Jesus didn't say the least in God's kingdom will be greater than John the Baptist PRESENT POSITION.

You this fraudster. He said the least person is Greater than John!!!! John himself !!!!

How will John be in God's kingdom when the least person there is greater than him ? Tiki taka

luke gives another dimension
Matthew 11:11
Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Luke 7:28
For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

Jesus was referring to John's prophet ministry. Not his position in the kingdom of God.

DappaD:
Let me answer for you. Jesus spoke of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as living in God's standpoint because their resurrection was very very sure. That's the essence of the resurrection.
In fact, when you look at the way Jesus transitioned from talking about the holy ones who would be resurrected like angels in heavens TO Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who would be resurrected here on earth, you'll notice that he's talking about two types of resurrection because Abraham, Isaac and Jacob aren't worthy of entering into heaven since they aren't part of the “little flock” arrangement—just like John the Baptist was excluded from the arrangement.(Matthew 11:11, Luke 12:32)

these are from fraudulent watchtower magazine not the bible.
Jesus said they live unto God, meaning they are alive in heaven, for example in the mount of transfiguration we see moses and elijah who appeared to Jesus.
We know moses had died,
Joshua 1:1
Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying,

If the dead no longer exist how come moses who had died still appeared to Jesus?

Am I not the one to ask you this question? What's the essence of a resurrection if they were already living as spirits somewhere?

simple because man was created to dwell in a body.

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Didn't the prodigal son and his father separate on good terms? You've not still answered this question. Hint: The parable is meant to portray Jehovah God as being receptive of those who leave his organization and later return.

this is the poo, witch tower fraudulent organisation fed you with.

Why adding pepper, and salt to the meaning of “death” ?
The human body is made from dust, when the breath of life is in his nostrils, he is a living soul. When it is not, he is a dead soul. (Genesis 2:7)
Stick to the scriptures when making points please.

how come, truth is stranger than fiction,
Man is not just body but he has a spirit, there are instances in the bible when men carry out functions in the Spirit like in the body.
It is the body that return to dust not the spirit.

So when Lazarus died, where did he go to? Did he go to heaven? Why was he still in the tomb when Jesus called him out?
Jesus himself likened death to a deep dreamless sleep—the state of unconsciousness and a dead person isn't aware of the passage of time. (John 11:11-14)

what happen to Lazarus is not relevant, not everything Jesus himself did that was recorded how much less Lazarus.

Jesus never defined death as a dreamless sleep that is one of the numerous lies of witchtower secret society

Again, the book of Revelation isn't written in sequential order. Since you say verse 5 is a continuation of verse 4, then who will the holy ones—144,000 rule and judge? Because Paul said that himself and other anointed Christians would judge the world.(1Corinthians 6:2) so if the “dead” aren't resurrected before then, who will Christ & 144,000 judge during the 1,000years?

@ bolded that question will be answered if you stop your denials first answer my question
Rev 20vv5
Says the rest of the dead lived not until the 1000 years, so who are the rest of the dead?
Vv4 describes those who will live in that 1000 years on earth and no sinners will be resurrected.