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MaxInDHouse:
The last Adam! 1Corinthians 15:45

Jesus was born in the flesh as a human, and he is sinless. There's no need of Jesus coming if Adam had lived a sinless life. Since Jesus live both in flesh and spirit he became everlasting father for those who will continue to live in the flesh as well as those who will live as spirits.
He did what Adam supposed to do which is give wise counsel to all his children, that's what made him a Wonderful Counselor {Isaiah 9:6} So Jesus lived as a sinless descendant of Adam (human) {Luke 3:23,38} hence he qualified to write off our sins with his blood! Psalms 49:7-9

But Jesus did not continue to live in the flesh right? So his fatherhood to those in the flesh cannot be established, so how can Jesus be an everlasting father to those in the flesh if he himself is do not bear the flesh?

livingchrist:
But Jesus did not continue to live in the flesh right? So his fatherhood to those in the flesh cannot be established, so how can Jesus be an everlasting father to those in the flesh if he himself is do not bear the flesh?

It's his death that freed every human from Adamic sin, with his blood he bought all human.
It's his counsel that will keep us living if we stick to it.
As for those born of spirit they gained what is not natural that's what is called "GRACE" or "UNDESERVED KINDNESS" God has promised from the beginning that the damage Satan caused will be undone! Genesis 3:15
But God never promised that humans will go to heaven, it's Jesus who said whatever he asked God will grant it, the 144,000 supposed to be only Israelites and there destination supposed to be in Jerusalem, that's why Jesus said "i'm going to prepare a place so that where i am you may be" {John 14:1-4} There anointing supposed to be just as God anointed ancient Kings in Israel, as for their resurrection as spirits, that's as a result of what Jesus asked God to do for those who will be chosen among his followers to rule with him.
It's not because he resurrect as a spirit that made them spirits, what made them spirit is God's choice not theirs, you can choose to live forever by doing everything Jesus commanded but nobody not even Jesus can decide who will be chosen to rule with him! Matthew 20:20-23
So born of the spirit is not by Jesus' will but God's will he (Jesus) became the everlasting father to all those who will live forever but as for those who will become spirit persons they are having a new rebirth, {John 3:6} they were not born by Jesus any more they are directly God's children, that's why they can relate with God the same way Jesus can relate with God! Mark 14:36 compared to Romans 8:15

He became our everlasting father leading us to God and paying for our debt but Jesus has no say in selecting those who will rule with him in heaven!

MaxInDHouse:
[s]It's his death that freed every human from Adamic sin, with his blood he bought all human.
It's his counsel that will keep us living if we stick to it.
As for those born of spirit they gained what is not natural that's what is called "GRACE" or "UNDESERVED KINDNESS" God has promised from the beginning that the damage Satan caused will be undone! Genesis 3:15
But God never promised that humans will go to heaven, it's Jesus who said whatever he asked God will grant it, the 144,000 supposed to be only Israelites and there destination supposed to be in Jerusalem, that's why Jesus said "i'm going to prepare a place so that where i am you may be" {John 14:1-4} There anointing supposed to be just as God anointed ancient Kings in Israel, as for their resurrection as spirits, that's as a result of what Jesus asked God to do for those who will be chosen among his followers to rule with him.
It's not because he resurrect as a spirit that made them spirits, what made them spirit is God's choice not theirs, you can choose to live forever by doing everything Jesus commanded but nobody not even Jesus can decide who will be chosen to rule with him! Matthew 20:20-23
So born of the spirit is not by Jesus' will but God's will he (Jesus) became the everlasting father to all those who will live forever but as for those who will become spirit persons they are having a new rebirth, {John 3:6} they were not born by Jesus any more they are directly God's children, that's why they can relate with God the same way Jesus can relate with God! Mark 14:36 compared to Romans 8:15

He became our everlasting father leading us to God and paying for our debt but Jesus has no say in selecting those who will rule with him in heaven! [/s]

all these rhetoric for a simple question, there two type of Adam, Jesus and Adam according to the bible.

1 Corinthians 15:49
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

The earthly and the heavenly, those in the flesh which image will they bear,
Jesus is heavenly so he cannot be the father of the earthy,
If they dont bear Jesus image then they cannot be in his kingdom.

Jesus said anyone that is not born again cannot be in his kingdom.
Kingdom of God is his rulership, anyone not born of God cannot be under God's rulership.

John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

livingchrist:
all these rhetoric for a simple question, there two type of Adam, Jesus and Adam according to the bible.

1 Corinthians 15:49
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

The earthly and the heavenly, those in the flesh which image will they bear,
Jesus is heavenly so he cannot be the father of the earthy,
If they dont bear Jesus image then they cannot be in his kingdom.

Jesus said anyone that is not born again cannot be in his kingdom.
Kingdom of God is his rulership, anyone not born of God cannot be under God's rulership.

John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

This is why i've been avoiding you guys rather asking you guys for the better performing group!
Paul's letter has said it all, "And as we have borne the image of the earth, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly"

Adam was the father of all humans, through Jesus' teachings he has already bought all those who accept him as King over to his side, his death is what sealed that deal.

So he himself said he has other sheep who are not of the fold he always talked about, for your information this other sheep are the ones who will not go to rule with him in heaven but will live under God's Kingdom arrangement on earth.
The first person to qualify for this arrangement is the thief Jesus promised Paradise, he never got baptized as a Christian neither was he anointed by God's holy spirit so there is no way he could be among the born again.

I kept quiet over the matter because it's evident in the ongoing debate that the heavenly and earthly arrangement is the cause of argument.

We don't need Jesus at all if Adam never sinned, in fact we wouldn't have heard of Jesus if Adam did what is right by inculcating God's righteous order in the minds of his children and earth would have been our permanent home!

So it's Adamic sin that necessitate the coming of another father who will replace Adam and do the right thing. From time immemorial all servants of God hope to live forever on earth they don't have any reason to think about going to heaven! Psalms 37:9-11, 29; 67:6-7; Proverbs 2:20-22; Isaiah 35:5-6; 65:21-25

Jerusalem on earth supposed to be the seat of God's Kingdom where the king will reign for a thousand years before Jehovah continue with the former arrangement which is directly ruling us without any intermediary.

But because the Israelites proved to be faithless and they always kill God's servants raised in their midst God condemned that city! Matthew 23:37-38
That's what brought about the heavenly arrangement where both Jesus (the king) and all his corulers have to be taken to another location, so Jesus promised to go and prepare another place for the Kingdom arrangement! John 14:1-4
This doesn't mean all righteous people will go to heaven because God never had such plan for his worshipers otherwise it would have been heard in the Old Testament at least in just one verse!

So it's the arrangement for Kingdom rulers that brought about where they will be to rule with Jesus, that is why those going to live and rule with Jesus must be transformed into spirits because only spirits live in heaven, heaven is not for flesh! John 3:5 compared to 1Corinthians 15:50

Jesus made it clear that many will inherit the earth while few as in small number will go with him to heaven! Matthew 5:3,5 compared to Luke 12:32

Even the faithful apostles never understood what Jesus was talking about despite all what he said regarding their transformation, they still nurse the thought of ruling with Jesus in Jerusalem here on earth {Act 1:6} it's much later after they've been anointed with God's holy spirit that they understood they won't be on earth with the King of kings to rule! That's why they keep teaching the new converts what those anointed will later become in the future {1Thessalonians 4:16} Paul made it clear that it's not all new converts that's born again so they should know their bounds {1Corinthians 11:23-30} John the Apostle got the revelation of the limited number going to rule with Jesus in heaven! Revelation 14:1
So the debate about those born of spirit is not what God planned for all righteous people, that arrangement is for only those who belongs to the ruling team!

@DappaD
Why is the bot hiding your comments?
Ahn

All this epistles are irrelevant
1. Without being born again no man can enter into God's kingdom, God's kingdom is not just talking of heaven but God's domain of rulership
It means does not born again can never experience God's rulership.

2. All christian are born of the spirit, even you can be born of the spirit if you accept Jesus christ,
Because God is a Spirit and all Christians are born of the God according to John.

3. As long as one bears the flesh and blood he can not enter into God's kingdom,
All those who are Jesus' children will bear the same image.
Jesus cannot bear a spiritual body while his children bear a natural body they must be of one.

4. Go over 1 to 4 slowly

MaxInDHouse:
I kept quiet over the matter because it's evident in the ongoing debate that the heavenly and earthly arrangement is the cause of argument.

We don't need Jesus at all if Adam never sinned, in fact we wouldn't have heard of Jesus if Adam did what is right by inculcating God's righteous order in the minds of his children and earth would have been our permanent home!

So it's Adamic sin that necessitate the coming of another father who will replace Adam and do the right thing. From time immemorial all servants of God hope to live forever on earth they don't have any reason to think about going to heaven! Psalms 37:9-11, 29; 67:6-7; Proverbs 2:20-22; Isaiah 35:5-6; 65:21-25

Jerusalem on earth supposed to be the seat of God's Kingdom where the king will reign for a thousand years before Jehovah continue with the former arrangement which is directly ruling us without any intermediary.

But because the Israelites proved to be faithless and they always kill God's servants raised in their midst God condemned that city! Matthew 23:37-38
That's what brought about the heavenly arrangement where both Jesus (the king) and all his corulers have to be taken to another location, so Jesus promised to go and prepare another place for the Kingdom arrangement! John 14:1-4
This doesn't mean all righteous people will go to heaven because God never had such plan for his worshipers otherwise it would have been heard in the Old Testament at least in just one verse!

So it's the arrangement for Kingdom rulers that brought about where they will be to rule with Jesus, that is why those going to live and rule with Jesus must be transformed into spirits because only spirits live in heaven, heaven is not for flesh! John 3:5 compared to 1Corinthians 15:50

Jesus made it clear that many will inherit the earth while few as in small number will go with him to heaven! Matthew 5:3,5 compared to Luke 12:32

Even the faithful apostles never understood what Jesus was talking about despite all what he said regarding their transformation, they still nurse the thought of ruling with Jesus in Jerusalem here on earth {Act 1:6} it's much later after they've been anointed with God's holy spirit that they understood they won't be on earth with the King of kings to rule! That's why they keep teaching the new converts what those anointed will later become in the future {1Thessalonians 4:16} Paul made it clear that it's not all new converts that's born again so they should know their bounds {1Corinthians 11:23-30} John the Apostle got the revelation of the limited number going to rule with Jesus in heaven! Revelation 14:1
So the debate about those born of spirit is not what God planned for all righteous people, that arrangement is for only those who belongs to the ruling team!

livingchrist:
All this epistles are irrelevant
1. Without being born again no man can enter into God's kingdom, God's kingdom is not just talking of heaven but God's domain of rulership
It means does not born again can never experience God's rulership.
2. All christian are born of the spirit, even you can be born of the spirit if you accept Jesus christ,
Because God is a Spirit and all Christians are born of the God according to John.
3. As long as one bears the flesh and blood he can not enter into God's kingdom,
All those who are Jesus' children will bear the same image.
Jesus cannot bear a spiritual body while his children bear a natural body they must be of one.
4. Go over 1 to 4 slowly

Should that means all faithful men(Abraham, Isaac and others) that serve God before christ era will be heading to Hell?
They are not Born again Christains oo

Make una dey drag am dey go.

livingchrist:
All this epistles are irrelevant
1. Without being born again no man can enter into God's kingdom, God's kingdom is not just talking of heaven but God's domain of rulership
It means does not born again can never experience God's rulership.

Jesus told a Jewish ruler (Nicodemus) who was anticipating being with Christ as part of corulers, that's why the Pharisees (the group which Nicodemus was a member) often view all others as "people of the ground" their believe is that God will select within them the corulers with Christ. That's why Jesus always say "the first (Pharisees) will become the last" to enter God's Kingdom and that largely depends on their future repentance.

2. All christian are born of the spirit, even you can be born of the spirit if you accept Jesus christ,
Because God is a Spirit and all Christians are born of the God according to John.

What a coincidence?
I've always asked you and your cohorts "where are those born of the spirit?" after all Paul listed the features we need to look for so as to verify! {Galatians 5:22-23 compared to Matthew 7:15-20} all other groups, organizations, societies and nations always exhibit the works of the flesh! Galatians 5:19-2

3. As long as one bears the flesh and blood he can not enter into God's kingdom,
All those who are Jesus' children will bear the same image.
Jesus cannot bear a spiritual body while his children bear a natural body they must be of one.

The bolded, i think you need to expatiate on what Jesus meant @ John 10:16, because it's evident Jesus has other people who will also become members of God's Kingdom but not in the first setting!

haddeylium:
Should that means all faithful men(Abraham, Isaac and others) that serve God before christ era will be heading to Hell?
They are not Born again Christains oo

says who? why do think the gospel was preached to Abraham(not only Abraham but all the old testament saints?
1 Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

Galatians 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

haddeylium:
@DappaD
Why is the bot hiding your comments?
Ahn

My brother the matter tire me.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus told a Jewish ruler (Nicodemus) who was anticipating being with Christ as part of corulers, that's why the Pharisees (the group which Nicodemus was a member) often view all others as "people of the ground" their believe is that God will select within them the corulers with Christ. That's why Jesus always say "the first (Pharisees) will become the last" to enter God's Kingdom and that largely depends on their future repentance.

Are you reading watch tower to me? Lol
There is no relationship between this jargon and my post.
Without being born again no man can enter God's kingdom.

What a coincidence?
I've always asked you and your cohorts "where are those born of the spirit?" after all Paul listed the features we need to look for so as to verify! {Galatians 5:22-23 compared to Matthew 7:15-20} all other groups, organizations, societies and nations always exhibit the works of the flesh! Galatians 5:19-2


The bolded, i think you need to expatiate on what Jesus meant @ John 10:16, because it's evident Jesus has other people who will also become members of God's Kingdom but not in the first setting!

asking me? Lol @ bolded and the jehovah witness organisation that gives out false prophecy (lies), has her root in paganism/occult, harbour paedophiles, dish out heresy, blaspheme the name of Jehovah is what?
You dont know how clownish you appear,
Let me make it clear to you,

John said whoever believe that Jesus is the messiah, the saviour is born of God.
1 John 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Jesus said God is a spirit

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Invariably, those born of God are born of Spirit because God is spirit.
But again only those who believe in Jesus christ are born of God or the spirit.


Again only those who believe on Jesus have everlasting life,
John 3:15
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Your organisation already denied Christ by saying people who are not born again will have eternal life.

So if only those who believe in Jesus are born again then only them can enter God's kingdom
The others who don not have eternal life will perish.

You just feel like arguing but let's try to reason from the scriptures, the highlighted could only be true if Adam was a spirit. Remember Adam was God's son (born of God) {Luke 3:38} yet Adam was not a spirit but flesh!

livingchrist:
Are you reading watch tower to me? Lol
There is no relationship between this jargon and my post.
Without being born again no man can enter God's kingdom.



asking me? Lol @ bolded and the jehovah witness organisation that gives out false prophecy (lies), has her root in paganism/occult, harbour paedophiles, dish out heresy, blaspheme the name of Jehovah is what?
You dont know how clownish you appear,
Let me make it clear to you,

John said whoever believe that Jesus is the messiah, the saviour is born of God.
1 John 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Jesus said God is a spirit

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Invariably, those born of God are born of Spirit because God is spirit.
But again only those who believe in Jesus christ are born of God or the spirit.


Again only those who believe on Jesus have everlasting life,
John 3:15
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Your organisation already denied Christ by saying people who are not born again will have eternal life.

So if only those who believe in Jesus are born again then only them can enter God's kingdom
The others who don not have eternal life will perish.

livingchrist:
says who? why do think the gospel was preached to Abraham(not only Abraham but all the old testament saints?
1 Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

This will still bring us to the whole ‘spiritually dead’ issue. Guy those who are poor in spirit, i.e. aware of their spiritual need are said to be ‘spiritually dead’.(Matthew 5:3)
When they heard the good news(old English gospel) from Jesus and applied it their lives, they became spiritually ALIVE.
That's why Paul wrote at Ephesians 2:1:
“Furthermore, God made you alive, though you were dead in your trespasses and sins”.
This doesn't concern Abraham or the other patriarchs.

Galatians 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

‘Gospel’ is old English.
‘Good news’ is modern English.
Shey when Jehovah told Abraham that “all the nations of the earth will be blessed by means of him.” , was it good or bad news?
Compare Genesis 18:18 with Galatians 3:8.

You're very funny you know that.
Job, Isaiah, Hosea knew that when they died, their resurrection would occur here on earth as they were inspired to say/write.(Job 14:13-15, Isaiah 26:19, Hosea 13:14)
Even angel Gabriel told Daniel that he was going to die and be raised up here on earth.(Daniel 12:13)
In fact, Peter acknowledged that David had been in the Grave ever since and still is, waiting to be resurrected on earth.(Acts 2:29-34)
Heaven wasn't promised to any of these people so where are you getting your spurious claims from?

Just show us a scripture where anybody before the time of Jesus was born of the spirit and sealed on the basis of Christ's ransom sacrifice, to become an adopted spirit son of Jehovah God? Because only those in the words I've bolded are going to heaven to rule alongside Jesus.(Luke 12:32, John 3:5-6, Romans 8:16-17, Revelation 14:1-4, 20:6)

MaxInDHouse:
You just feel like arguing but let's try to reason from the scriptures, the highlighted could only be true if Adam was a spirit. Remember Adam was God's son (born of God) {Luke 3:38} yet Adam was not a spirit but flesh!

Did your bible say that Adam was born of God?

Sonship is a spiritual status, just like citizenship, which can be gotten by different ways such as birth and naturalization, Adam status as the son of God came by his creation.
Christians became sons by spiritual birth i.e adoption.

dappa071:
This will still bring us to the whole ‘spiritually dead’ issue. Guy those who are poor in spirit, i.e. aware of their spiritual need are said to be ‘spiritually dead’.(Matthew 5:3)
When they heard the good news(old English gospel) from Jesus and applied it their lives, they became spiritually ALIVE.
That's why Paul wrote at Ephesians 2:1:
“Furthermore, God made you alive, though you were dead in your trespasses and sins”.
This doesn't concern Abraham or the other patriarchs.




‘Gospel’ is old English.
‘Good news’ is modern English.
Shey when Jehovah told Abraham that “all the nations of the earth will be blessed by means of him.” , was it good or bad news?
Compare Genesis 18:18 with Galatians 3:8.

You're very funny you know that.
Job, Isaiah, Hosea knew that when they died, their resurrection would occur here on earth as they were inspired to say/write.(Job 14:13-15, Isaiah 26:19, Hosea 13:14)
Even angel Gabriel told Daniel that he was going to die and be raised up here on earth.(Daniel 12:13)
In fact, Peter acknowledged that David had been in the Grave ever since and still is, waiting to be resurrected on earth.(Acts 2:29-34)
Heaven wasn't promised to any of these people so where are you getting your spurious claims from?

Just show us a scripture where anybody before the time of Jesus was born of the spirit and sealed on the basis of Christ's ransom sacrifice, to become an adopted spirit son of Jehovah God? Because only those in the words I've bolded are going to heaven to rule alongside Jesus.(Luke 12:32, John 3:5-6, Romans 8:16-17, Revelation 14:1-4, 20:6)

No need for the rhetorics, All who are born of God are born of the spirit.

Anyone not born of God can not enter into God's kingdom, God's kingdom is his domain of rulership.
So those who are not born again which kingdom will they enter,

Hen nah, it was due to our sinful condition that bring about adoption otherwise God won't adopt anyone if Adam never sinned we will all be God's children!

livingchrist:
Did your bible say that Adam was born of God?

Sonship is a spiritual status, just like citizenship, which can be gotten by different ways such as birth and naturalization, Adam status as the son of God came by his creation.
Christians became sons by spiritual birth i.e adoption.

livingchrist:
No need for the rhetorics, All who are born of God are born of the spirit.

Anyone not born of God can enter into God's kingdom, God's kingdom is his domain of rulership.
So those who are not born again which kingdom will they enter,

They will all be where Jesus said the criminal at his side[who wasn't born of spirit] would be—PARADISE on earth.(Luke 23:43, Acts 24:15)

MaxInDHouse:
Hen nah, it was due to our sinful condition that bring about adoption otherwise God won't adopt anyone if Adam never sinned we will all be God's children!

I thought you said all who are born of God are Spirit beings
So, all Christians are Spirit beings?
Yes without sin that position would have extended to us by birth right?
But now we have to be born again to access that position of being Son of God through Jesus right?
All those born of God are born by spirit because God is Spirit but those born by Adam is born by flesh,
Your organisation is fraud, it teaches that those born by flesh(Adam) are called sons of God, lie lie.

dappa071:
They will all be where Jesus said the criminal at his side[who wasn't born of spirit] would be—PARADISE on earth.(Luke 23:43, Acts 24:15)

Is paradise on earth not God's kingdom?

livingchrist:
Is paradise on earth not God's kingdom?

God's Kingdom is a form of government—with a King, Priest and Judge installed by Jehovah God himself(Psalm 2:2-12) in the person of Jesus Christ(Daniel 7:13-14, Luke 1:31-33, John 5:22) and the cabinet members, co-kings, co-priests, co-judges that number into a 144,000.(Daniel 7:27, Luke 12:32, 1Cor 6:2, 2Timothy 2:12, Rev 14:1-4, 20:6)

Are the subjects of a government the same as the people in the government?
The terrain covered by God's Kingdom will be “to the ends of the earth”[Psalm 72:8]
Even Daniel wrote that the stone that will crush human governments “filled the whole earth”.
The stone here is God's Kingdom[Compare Daniel 2:35 with 2:44]
Those who are subject to God's Kingdom/government will live forever here on Paradise earth as human beings.(Psalm 37:29, Luke 23:43, Rev 7:9-17, 21:1-4)

livingchrist:
I thought you said all who are born of God are Spirit beings
So, all Christians are Spirit beings?
Yes without sin that position would have extended to us by birth right?
But now we have to be born again to access that position of being Son of God through Jesus right?
All those born of God are born by spirit because God is Spirit but those born by Adam is born by flesh,
Your organisation is fraud, it teaches that those born by flesh(Adam) are called sons of God, lie lie.

Let me show you how confused they are more!

Ask them, what does it mean to be BORN OF SPIRIT?

You'll hear to be Spirit Fill...

Then ask, what does it mean to be spirit filled:
You mean the spirit is inside the person or not?

They will never agree that there's a spirit INSIDE a person.

But you'll realize that their explanation is tending towards DISPLAYING THE FRUITS OF HOLY SPIRIT.

Then ask them, what is the evidence of being Spirit filled?

They will take you straight to Gal 5:22-23

Then ask them, is there any JWs who doesn't display the FRUIT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT?

They won't like to deny that no JWs who doesn't display the fruit of the Holy Spirit neither would they try to give straight answer because they know where you're already going.


Here is the confusion:
Some people will be resurrected to a spirit being because they were BORN OF SPIRIT (means they are Spirit fill i.e displaying the fruit of the Holy Spirit)

The rest of the people will be resurrected to flesh because they were BORN OF FLESH (even thou we didn't know THE FLESH WHO BORN THIS PEOPLE yet they are still SPIRIT FILL i.e displaying the fruit of the Holy Spirit)

dappa071:
God's Kingdom is a form of government—with a King, Priest and Judge installed by Jehovah God himself(Psalm 2:2-12) in the person of Jesus Christ(Daniel 7:13-14, Luke 1:31-33, John 5:22) and the cabinet members, co-kings, co-priests, co-judges that number into a 144,000.(Daniel 7:27, Luke 12:32, 1Cor 6:2, 2Timothy 2:12, Rev 14:1-4, 20:6)

Are the subjects of a government the same as the people in the government?
The terrain covered by God's Kingdom will be “to the ends of the earth”[Psalm 72:8]
Even Daniel wrote that the stone that will crush human governments “filled the whole earth”.
The stone here is God's Kingdom[Compare Daniel 2:35 with 2:44]
Those who are subject to God's Kingdom/government will live forever here on Paradise earth as human beings.(Psalm 37:29, Luke 23:43, Rev 7:9-17, 21:1-4)

that is half definition of what God's kingdom is,
A kingdom is a domain or region where a monarch rules
A monarch is a royal government, a kingdom includes a government but a government does not mean a kingdom.

Lie lie fraudulent organisation, I am here to expose your fraud

Revelation 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

The seventh angel revealed that at the last trumpet the kingdom of this world will become God's kingdom, your lies keeps crashing.
So where will those who will not be in God's kingdom be?
The kingdoms of this world will also become God's kingdom too. So where will they be

Emusan:
Let me show you how confused they are more!

Ask them, what does it mean to be BORN OF SPIRIT?

You'll hear to be Spirit Fill...

Then ask, what does it mean to be spirit filled:
You mean the spirit is inside the person or not?

They will never agree that there's a spirit INSIDE a person.

But you'll realize that their explanation is tending towards DISPLAYING THE FRUITS OF HOLY SPIRIT.

Then ask them, what is the evidence of being Spirit filled?

They will take you straight to Gal 5:22-23

Then ask them, is there any JWs who doesn't display the FRUIT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT?

They won't like to deny that no JWs who doesn't display the fruit of the Holy Spirit neither would they try to give straight answer because they know where you're already going.


Here is the confusion:
Some people will be resurrected to a spirit being because they were BORN OF SPIRIT (means they are Spirit fill i.e displaying the fruit of the Holy Spirit)

The rest of the people will be resurrected to flesh because they were BORN OF FLESH (even thou we didn't know THE FLESH WHO BORN THIS PEOPLE yet they are still SPIRIT FILL i.e displaying the fruit of the Holy Spirit)

they said those who are born of the spirit will become Spirit being unknown to them that John said anyone who believe on Jesus is born of God but yet God is a spirit

They are as confused as their watch tower.
They are living in denial, they are trying to avoid or atleast spin the meaning of kingdom because they would be exposed.
but I wont allow them, Barrister and janosky has jetted off to God knows where, while Max is dishing out zombie reply.

livingchrist:


that is half definition of what God's kingdom is,
A kingdom is a domain or region where a monarch rules
A monarch is a royal government, a kingdom includes a government but a government does not mean a kingdom.
Lie lie fraudulent organisation, I am here to expose your fraud

Revelation 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
The seventh angel revealed that at the last trumpet the kingdom of this world will become God's kingdom, your lies keeps crashing.
So where will those who will not be in God's kingdom be?
The kingdoms of this world will also become God's kingdom too. So where will they be

Are you sure you're not johnw47? You both type awfully alike—no atom of wisdom portrayed in your words, just like his too.
I'm not going to go through this again.

dappa071:
Are the subjects of a government the same as the people in the government?
The terrain[DOMAIN] covered by God's Kingdom will be “to the ends of the earth”[Psalm 72:8]
Even Daniel wrote that the stone that will crush human governments “filled the whole earth”.
The stone here is God's Kingdom[Compare Daniel 2:35 with 2:44]
Those who are subject to God's Kingdom/government will live forever here on Paradise earth as human beings.(Psalm 37:29, Luke 23:43, Rev 7:9-17, 21:1-4)

Come to your own conclusions and we'll call it a day.

livingchrist:
Is paradise on earth not God's kingdom?

Simple YES or NO will do. His long response anyway tends towards and states a YES

livingchrist:
says who? why do think the gospel was preached to Abraham(not only Abraham but all the old testament saints?
1 Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

Galatians 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Good evening!... I've been busy..
If you want to be honest with yourself...DappaD enlightened you on those two scriptures you quoted!

The Gospel(Goodnews) was preached to Abraham when he was alive.
To further buttress what God words said about the condition of the dead
Eccl. 9:5: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.”

Abraham is not a Christian, neither was he born again... What's his hope?

You need to know why God who created humans must adopt his own creatures!

For your information you are a child to whoever you are obedient, 99.9% of mankind obey Satan that's why God's word says Satan is the ruler amongst mankind {1John 5:19} so after the incident in Eden most people follow Adam's rebellious path, Jesus's teachings is what makes those who accepted it precious in God's eyes, that's why God adopted sinners (destined to die) as sons so they can regain what Adam threw in the trash (everlasting life).
So the adoption means God is now taking over the properties Satan stole in the beginning, death is what Satan can give his own children but our ever living God will bestow eternity on all his adopted children whether they're transformed to spirit like Jesus or remain in the flesh like Adam.
Jesus is God's first born son (in the spirit realm) and Adam was God's first born son in the flesh, Adam's descendants don't need Jesus if Adam had remain faithful and loyal to our Grandfather (God).
The reason why a limited number needs to be born of the spirit is their role as corulers in the spirit realm that's all.
All those who accepted Jesus' teaching already have the ticket into God's Kingdom! John 3:16-18

livingchrist:
I thought you said all who are born of God are Spirit beings
So, all Christians are Spirit beings?
Yes without sin that position would have extended to us by birth right?
But now we have to be born again to access that position of being Son of God through Jesus right?
All those born of God are born by spirit because God is Spirit but those born by Adam is born by flesh,
Your organisation is fraud, it teaches that those born by flesh(Adam) are called sons of God, lie lie.