re mad max photos of false jw's, clean on the outside:

Mat 23:25  A curse is on you, scribes and Pharisees, false ones! for you make clean the outside of the cup and of the plate, but inside they are full of violent behaviour and uncontrolled desire. 

inside false jw's is uncontrolled desire - unrighteousness - perversity
such as, hand jobs and blow jobs etc. as testified by some false jw's here

so, many of those smiling people in colorful clothes, are behind closed doors
indulging in sexually depraved acts of uncontrolled desire

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12654454_fbimg16048381898681810_jpeg4b836e9baecbde48ae2ec2778e41b992

Rev 21:8  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

MaxInDHouse:
What a pity, they feel like arguing with JWs but they lack the wisdom to dish out useful points!

false jw and immoral mad max

a few christians discuss with you false jw's
but most christians don't, and don't throw their pearls to the pigs and dogs
as you would have noticed in the multitude of threads, had you not been blinded:

Mat_7:6  Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

They are living to God because he keeps them in his memory, he said to Adam "if you eat from the forbidden tree, you will die" guy death is the direct opposite of life, so there is no activity in the grave where the dead are buried!

livingchrist:
they are only dead to men not to God, what solomon wrote was from the position of those under the sun.

The good news of God's Kingdom was preached and taught when Jesus walked the earth, so Abraham only had faith that God will reward good and faithful people, he never had the opportunity to hear the good news from the wonderful counselor or from any of his disciples, and it's only those who have accepted the good news preached by Jesus or his disciples that can be saved.
So Abraham still need to be resurrected so that Jesus' disciples may preach to him and teach him what he needs to do before he can enter God's Kingdom.

livingchrist:
Abraham was preached to, when he was alive.

johnw47:
Uncontrolled desire.

When a man and a woman gets married Jesus said they've become one (in flesh) which means they do so many things together as if it's just the same body. Uncontrolled desire is when you keep looking lustfully at an opposite sex that's not your wife or husband {Matthew 5:28} according to Jesus' own words it's wrong for you to think of handjob or Mouth Gig while staring at those ladies in the picture. Can't you see a wedding band in their hands?
So what exactly concerns you with whatever they're doing behind close doors with their own husbands?

You have the right to choose what type of sex you want but you have no right to set standards for others even your own son or daughter because whatever sex style they choose is none of your concern.

Adam and Eve had sex for sure before they gave birth to children, the Bible never state the sex style they used, for both of them to be naked is an indication that they were free to play with each other because both of them can see, admire and even salivate over what they're seeing in each other.

You can continue giving yourself unnecessary headache over what couples do behind close doors but i'm assuring you that God will never judge anyone for romance or sex with their life partner as long as they're man and wife, they have become one, your son or daughter will leave you and whatever sex style you choose with your own wife, and cling unto his or her partner, and they're free to start their own life as a couple. What God has joined together i want you to know that a million johnw47 can never put asunder! Matthew 19:6

MaxInDHouse:
They are living to God because he keeps them in his memory, he said to Adam "if you eat from the forbidden tree, you will die" guy death is the direct opposite of life, so there is no activity in the grave where the dead are buried!

man's spirit do not physically die only the flesh dies. That is why God said you shall return to dust meaning, God wasnt speaking of the Spirit but of the flesh.
Solomon was only writing from the position of physical death.
Man's spirit either go to heaven or go to hell depending 9n his state before he died.

MaxInDHouse:
The good news of God's Kingdom was preached and taught when Jesus walked the earth, so Abraham only had faith that God will reward good and faithful people, he never had the opportunity to hear the good news from the wonderful counselor or from any of his disciples, and it's only those who have accepted the good news preached by Jesus or his disciples that can be saved.
So Abraham still need to be resurrected so that Jesus' disciples may preach to him and teach him what he needs to do before he can enter God's Kingdom.

the gospel is about Jesus, God preached to Abraham and Abraham believed it.

livingchrist:
you didnt answer our question

it has been perfectly answered. So go ND respond to that post, it is very essential to this thread

livingchrist:
man's spirit do not physically die only the flesh dies. That is why God said you shall return to dust meaning, God wasnt speaking of the Spirit but of the flesh.
Solomon was only writing from the position of physical death.
Man's spirit either go to heaven or go to hell depending 9n his state before he died.

You are a Liar. which Bible tells you this ?

MaxInDHouse:
They are living to God because he keeps them in his memory, he said to Adam "if you eat from the forbidden tree, you will die" guy death is the direct opposite of life, so there is no activity in the grave where the dead are buried!

When did the LORD say he will die?

Barristter07:


it has been perfectly answered. So go ND respond to that post, it is very essential to this thread

then I perfectly answered all your questions

livingchrist:
Abraham was preached to, when he was alive.

it's apparent you don't know what it means to be born again?
Go through that part you cropped out and tell me if Abraham was a born again

One salvation- two hope

Earthly hope- second resurrection
Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. (compare with Psalm 37:11, 29, 34.)

Heavenly hope (Born again)- first resurrection
As the first born again, the resurrection of Jesus Christ made it possible for those few chosen living faithful Christains to be resurrected to heaven (1 Peter 1:​3, 4)
(compare with (Revelation 17:14; Luke 12:32)

livingchrist:

Man's spirit either go to heaven or go to hell depending 9n his state before he died.

Understand Gen 2:7 first

MaxInDHouse:
What God has joined together i want you to know that a million johnw47 can never put asunder! Matthew 19:6

truly false jw mad max

God has never joined married couples together in immorality
you are of course deluded


Gal_5:19  Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Eph_5:3  But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Col_3:5  Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
1Th_4:3  For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:




even common sense tells one that oral and anal sex is not natural sex but unnatural, and is immoral,
even false jw org say so

but some of you perverse false jw's say anything goes between married couples and is in fact "holy".
so, some of you perverse false jw's believe and teach that God sees oral and anal sex(any sex) between married couples as "holy"

some false jw's must think that marriage is a license to indulge in perverted sex

false jw org calls oral and anal sex: pornia and fornication and perverted and obscene
they say it is a covetous desire for sexual excitemen
they say it is not supported by the Bible or God

and false jw org doesn't contend that absolutely anything
done between husband and wife is permissible, but some of you false jw's do,
you even say it is "holy"


and you say you are all of one mind
but that's just more never ending lies and delusion from you satans mob


Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Rev 21:8  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.


https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/quotes/oral-anal-sex.php

johnw47: re mad max photos of false jw's, clean on the outside:

Mat 23:25  A curse is on you, scribes and Pharisees, false ones! for you make clean the outside of the cup and of the plate, but inside they are full of violent behaviour and uncontrolled desire. 

inside false jw's is uncontrolled desire - unrighteousness - perversity
such as, hand jobs and blow jobs etc. as testified by some false jw's here

so, many of those smiling people in colorful clothes, are behind closed doors
indulging in sexually depraved acts of uncontrolled desire

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12654454_fbimg16048381898681810_jpeg4b836e9baecbde48ae2ec2778e41b992

Rev 21:8  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

livingchrist:
man's spirit do not physically die only the flesh dies. That is why God said you shall return to dust meaning, God wasnt speaking of the Spirit but of the flesh.
Solomon was only writing from the position of physical death.
Man's spirit either go to heaven or go to hell depending 9n his state before he died.

Sorry, it's like Jesus didn't agree with the bolded because he said God can destroyed both body and soul in hell {Matthew 10:28} and he also talked about unrepentant sinners gnashing their teeth in hell {Matthew 13:42} please if they're not going to hell with their bodies then how come they still have teeth? Or are you saying teeth is not part of the body that is buried!

Please at what point in his life time was he preached to?
Because Jesus said "out of all those born by women, none is greater than John the Baptist but the least in the Kingdom of heaven is greater than John" Matthew 11:11

According to Jesus Adam and Eve are greater than all of us before God since they weren't born of women, but out of all those who came to live by birth John is the greatest because none of them had the opportunity to learn God's righteousness from the wonderful counselor.
So Abraham (born of a woman) can't be part of those who have heard about the Christ since he is also lesser than John the Baptist, and John is lesser than the least because by the time Jesus was teaching people about what could lead to everlasting life John never had the opportunity to learn from Jesus!

livingchrist:
the gospel is about Jesus, God preached to Abraham and Abraham believed it.

haddeylium:


[s]it's apparent you don't know what it means to be born again?
Go through that part you cropped out and tell me if Abraham was a born again[/s]

Jehovah witness definition of what it is to be born again has no place in the bible.
If Abraham was not born again he would never have being in the kingdom of God.
Matthew 8:11
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

[s]One salvation- two hope

Earthly hope- second resurrection
Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. (compare with Psalm 37:11, 29, 34.)

Heavenly hope (Born again)- first resurrection
As the first born again, the resurrection of Jesus Christ made it possible for those few chosen living faithful Christains to be resurrected to heaven (1 Peter 1:​3, 4)
(compare with (Revelation 17:14; Luke 12:32)[/s]

There is nothing like 'two-hope's' in christianity just one hope.
Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Without being born again no one can see the kingdom of God,
John 12:26
If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

Ther is nothing like two hopes, just one.

MaxInDHouse:


Sorry, it's like Jesus didn't agree with the bolded because he said God can destroyed both body and soul in hell {Matthew 10:28} and he also talked about unrepentant sinners gnashing their teeth in hell {Matthew 13:42} please if they're not going to hell with their bodies then how come they still have teeth? Or are you saying teeth is not part of the body that is buried!

yes yes Spirit takes the form of the body where it resides, the destruction of the soul does not mean annihilation it means separation from God.

@ Genesis 2:17 God told Adam "the very day you eat out of the fruit that's in the middle of the garden, you will die"
Adam died that same day because he never lived up to 1,000 years {Genesis 5:5} and equivalent of one day in God's eyes! 2Peter 3:8
That's why nobody ever live up to 1,000 years since then, the man who lived longest was Methuselah and he lived 969 years! Genesis 5:27

Thanks and God bless you!

Blabbermouth:

When did the LORD say he will die?

Any backing for the bolded in the scriptures?

Because if i should recollect it's Satan (the liar) who told Eve "you will not really die" Genesis 3:4
Are you of the opinion that Satan was actually saying the truth that Adam and Eve will not really die?

livingchrist:
yes yes Spirit takes the form of the body where it resides, the destruction of the soul does not mean annihilation it means separation from God.

MaxInDHouse:
Please at what point in his life time was he preached to?
Because Jesus said "out of all those born by women, none is greater than John the Baptist but the least in the Kingdom of heaven is greater than John" Matthew 11:11

According to Jesus Adam and Eve are greater than all of us before God since they weren't born of women, but out of all those who came to live by birth John is the greatest because none of them had the opportunity to learn God's righteousness from the wonderful counselor.
So Abraham (born of a woman) can't be part of those who have heard about the Christ since he is also lesser than John the Baptist, and John is lesser than the least because by the time Jesus was teaching people about what could lead to everlasting life John never had the opportunity to learn from Jesus!

Do you now agree that those who learn of God's righteousness are in God's kingdom not a selected few?
good again now you see that Jesus was talking of John's earthly position.
By the way the gospel of Christ began right in the garden of eden.
Abraham heard the gospel but not as plainly as it is today.

Galatians 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

The seed through which the whole world would be blessed is Christ so Abraham had heard about the gospel of christ.

MaxInDHouse:
Any backing for the bolded in the scriptures?

Because if i should recollect it's Satan (the liar) who told Eve "you will not really die" Genesis 3:4
Are you of the opinion that Satan was actually saying the truth that Adam and Eve will not really die?

John saw a door in heaven and heard a voice, was it his physical eyes and ears that saw and heard it?
Revelation 4:1
After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Are visions seen with physical or spiritual eyes?
What does that tell you? That the spirit of man both has eyes, ears and hands and feet.


How could John have tasted the book if Spirit do not have tongue that can taste?

Revelation 10:10
And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

So, max the spirit of man takes the form of the body that houses it.

MaxInDHouse:
Any backing for the bolded in the scriptures?

Because if i should recollect it's Satan (the liar) who told Eve "you will not really die" Genesis 3:4
Are you of the opinion that Satan was actually saying the truth that Adam and Eve will not really die?

Did they die physical a death the day they eat the fruit? Yes or no

MaxInDHouse:
@ Genesis 2:17 God told Adam "the very day you eat out of the fruit that's in the middle of the garden, you will die"
Adam died that same day because he never lived up to 1,000 years {Genesis 5:5} and equivalent of one day in God's eyes! 2Peter 3:8
That's why nobody ever live up to 1,000 years since then, the man who lived longest was Methuselah and he lived 969 years! Genesis 5:27
Thanks and God bless you!

Make sure you are consistent with this conversion. Are you affirming that anytime God uses the word "Day", he means 1,000 years?

livingchrist:
Do you now agree that those who learn of God's righteousness are in God's kingdom not a selected few?
good again now you see that Jesus was talking of John's earthly position.
By the way the gospel of Christ began right in the garden of eden.
Abraham heard the gospel but not as plainly as it is today.

Galatians 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

The seed through which the whole world would be blessed is Christ so Abraham had heard about the gospel of christ.

God promised Abraham that a saviour will come through his lineage but we're here discussing on what the saviour or Christ or Messiah taught, of course Abraham had no idea about that. So before Abraham could be counted worthy of the everlasting life he must hear what Jesus taught people and concur that's what the scriptures says {John 3:16} Abraham surely believe in the promises of God regarding the Messiah just as the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish rabbis believe in God's promises but by the time Christ came to counsel them, they found his counseling repulsive!

According to 2Peter 3:8 YES Adam and Eve died that same day!

livingchrist:
Did they die physical a death the day they eat the fruit? Yes or no

livingchrist:
then I perfectly answered all your questions

What is born of spirit IS SPIRIT

Means ?

A. Have holy spirit

B. Will become a Spirit like God and live in heaven.

C. Have breath of life.

Blabbermouth:

Make sure you are consistent with this conversion. Are you affirming that anytime God uses the word "Day", he means 1,000 years?

In the garden of Eden God spoke with Adam and Eve in ways that he didn't speak with any of their descendants.
Note that it was after God made a covenant with the Israelites that he began using idiomatic expressions.
Expressions such as
The forbidden fruit
Middle of the garden
Day
were symbolic not literal.
So if you don't learn from those whom God revealed the meaning to, you'll continue to mix it all up and you'll never be able to sought out the difference between false and pure worship!

John saw a vision, everything in the Bible book of Revelation wasn't happening Sir. It was revealed to John in a vision {Revelation 1:1} So none of the things written was real at the time John saw it everything was revealed to him with symbols and signs!

livingchrist:

John saw a door in heaven and heard a voice, was it his physical eyes and ears that saw and heard it?
Revelation 4:1
After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Are visions seen with physical or spiritual eyes?
What does that tell you? That the spirit of man both has eyes, ears and hands and feet.


How could John have tasted the book if Spirit do not have tongue that can taste?

Revelation 10:10
And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

So, max the spirit of man takes the form of the body that houses it.

MaxInDHouse:


God promised Abraham that a saviour will come through his lineage but we're here discussing on what the saviour or Christ or Messiah taught, of course Abraham had no idea about that. So before Abraham could be counted worthy of the everlasting life he must hear what Jesus taught people and concur that's what the scriptures says {John 3:16} Abraham surely believe in the promises of God regarding the Messiah just as the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish rabbis believe in God's promises but by the time Christ came to counsel them, they found his counseling repulsive!

Do well to read your post to someon else before hitting reply.
Abraham that has already being declared righteous in Genesis furthermore Jesus said Abraham will be seen in God's kingdom, on the last day.

MaxInDHouse:
John saw a vision, everything in the Bible book of Revelation wasn't happening Sir. It was revealed to John in a vision {Revelation 1:1} So none of the things written was real at the time John saw it everything was revealed to him with symbols and signs!

Lol, with what eyes did John used to see the vision his Spirit eyes or his fleshly eyes.
Furthermore, John are the book given to him on the vision and he tasted it.
How could John eat and taste something that is not real?