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dappa071:
Are you sure you're not johnw47? You both type awfully alike—no atom of wisdom portrayed in your words, just like his too.
I'm not going to go through this again.



Come to your own conclusions and we'll call it a day.

If only you will start questioning Jehovah witness organisation teachings, their teachings are full of lies and twisting, they are deliberating keeping you folks in bondage.
Jesus said you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

achorladey:
Simple YES or NO will do. His long response anyway tends towards and states a YES

that is how they behave, just a few words becomes pages worst still is that he didnt even answer the question.

I said I would be bursting Jehovah witness lies.

haddeylium:
Good evening!... I've been busy..
If you want to be honest with yourself...DappaD enlightened you on those two scriptures you quoted!

The Gospel(Goodnews) was preached to Abraham when he was alive.
To further buttress what God words said about the condition of the dead
Eccl. 9:5: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.”

Abraham is not a Christian, neither was he born again... What's his hope?

are you a comedian? Who did Dappa elighten?

The point is Abraham heard the gospel of Jesus believed it and was saved, whether in the flesh or in Spirit yes Abraham was ultimately born again.
As for Ecc. 9vv5 which you quoted, there is something you people always mince and that is solomon was describing the dead from the perspective of humans on earth that is why he said 'under the sun'

Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

Solomon wrote his observed on earth.

MaxInDHouse:
You need to know why God who created humans must adopt his own creatures!

For your information you are a child to whoever you are obedient, 99.9% of mankind obey Satan that's why God's word says Satan is the ruler amongst mankind {1John 5:19} so after the incident in Eden most people follow Adam's rebellious path, Jesus's teachings is what makes those who accepted it precious in God's eyes, that's why God adopted sinners (destined to die) as sons so they can regain what Adam threw in the trash (everlasting life).
So the adoption means God is now taking over the properties Satan stole in the beginning, death is what Satan can give his own children but our ever living God will bestow eternity on all his adopted children whether they're transformed to spirit like Jesus or remain in the flesh like Adam.
Jesus is God's first born son (in the spirit realm) and Adam was God's first born son in the flesh, Adam's descendants don't need Jesus if Adam had remain faithful and loyal to our Grandfather (God).
The reason why a limited number needs to be born of the spirit is their role as corulers in the spirit realm that's all.
All those who accepted Jesus' teaching already have the ticket into God's Kingdom! John 3:16-18

crap!
It's a simple stuff anyone born of God is born of the Spirit because God is a spirit, Jesus said anyone born of Spirit is Spirit, so how can God who is Spirit give birth to flesh? God who is Spirit cannot give birth to flesh. So all your needless theories are plain jargons, honestly.

Secondly, If you are not born again you cannot enter God's kingdom.
Go to primary school children to teach you the meaning of kingdom.

Of course it will sound strange to you but you can never find anything to nullify it, so if you don't understand Jesus that's your own problem not mine.
When God created Adam and Eve his purpose for them is to live forever on earth not in heaven {Psalms 115:16} so if your own God is a failure well mine is not because whatever JEHOVAH purposes will surely become a reality {Isaiah 55:11} My own God will surely fulfill his purpose for the earth and it's flesh that will inherit it! Psalms 37:9-11, 29
I've explained what Jesus said but if you don't agree that's no problem just explain what God's word says in the above quoted scriptures!

livingchrist:
crap!
It's a simple stuff anyone born of God is born of the Spirit because God is a spirit, Jesus said anyone born of Spirit is Spirit, so how can God who is Spirit give birth to flesh? God who is Spirit cannot give birth to flesh. So all your needless theories are plain jargons, honestly.

Secondly, If you are not born again you cannot enter God's kingdom.
Go to primary school children to teach you the meaning of kingdom.

livingchrist:
crap!
It's a simple stuff anyone born of God is born of the Spirit because God is a spirit, Jesus said anyone born of Spirit is Spirit, so how can God who is Spirit give birth to flesh? God who is Spirit cannot give birth to flesh. So all your needless theories are plain jargons, honestly.

Secondly, If you are not born again you cannot enter God's kingdom.
Go to primary school children to teach you the meaning of kingdom.

All those who accepted Jesus' teaching already have the ticket into God's Kingdom! John 3:16-18.........Max

He has you style to tell you the needful in bold into God's kingdom

livingchrist:
I said I would be bursting Jehovah witness lies. are you a comedian? Who did Dappa elighten?

The point is Abraham heard the gospel of Jesus believed it and was saved, whether in the flesh or in Spirit yes Abraham was ultimately born again.
As for Ecc. 9vv5 which you quoted, there is something you people always mince and that is solomon was describing the dead from the perspective of humans on earth that is why he said 'under the sun'

Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

Solomon wrote his observed on earth.

Cite Matthew 8:11 for him now, he will tell you it is FIGURATIVE not LITERAL

livingchrist:
I said I would be bursting Jehovah witness lies. are you a comedian? Who did Dappa elighten?
The point is Abraham heard the gospel of Jesus believed it and was saved, whether in the flesh or in Spirit yes Abraham was ultimately born again.]

Unless you've concocted a new one .This is the definition Jesus gave it
Being born again involves being baptized in water (“born from water”) and begotten by God’s spirit (“born from . . . spirit”) (John 3:3-5)
Nicodemus was a Jewish religious scholar, he doesn't know what it means to be born again cos' their resurrection prospect is for the righteous to be resurrected and live forever on paradise earth(Ps 37:29)
. Jesus is the first person to be Born again. He was born of water when he was immersed in water and born of spirit when a spirit in form of dove descended on him!
That's is the first time it happened. Three years after this Jesus promised his disciples (which formed the second set) when the holyspirit descended on this baptized individual hereby having the hope of bring resurrected as spirit son of God if they remain faithful!

After Apostle mentioned all these faithful men including Abraham of prechristian era, He said "Their promise is different and better than theirs" and they will not be made perfect like them'(Hebrews 11:35, 39, 40)

Under, Christ millennial reign, these anointed Christains, brother serving as kings and priests, will dispense the benefits of the ransom to resurrected ones(earthly hope). Such faithful o will thus “be made perfect”​Made Alive

Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Solomon wrote his observed on earth.

Did you pay attention to verse 10
"There is no knowledge or work in the Sheol "you're going"
Did you?

livingchrist:
If only you will start questioning Jehovah witness organisation teachings, their teachings are full of lies and twisting, they are deliberating keeping you folks in bondage.
Jesus said you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

Are you ready to present a better offer?
Like my brother Maximus always says: “If you can show us a better performing group than JWs, then you have our word that nobody will remain in the organization in the next 48hours.”
But since you can't do that, you're just pointing fingers everywhere as if you have anything better to offer. Shiorrrr I'm proud to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses abegi!

achorladey:
All those who accepted Jesus' teaching already have the ticket into God's Kingdom! John 3:16-18.........Max

He has you style to tell you the needful in bold into God's kingdom

ok! Thanks for this.
@ max, so anyone who accept Jesus teachings will enter into God's kingdom, right?
So those on earth are going to be people who didnt accept Jesus teachings, right?

haddeylium:
Unless you've concocted a new one .This is the definition Jesus gave it
Being born again involves being baptized in water (“born from water”) and begotten by God’s spirit (“born from . . . spirit”) (John 3:3-5)
Nicodemus was a Jewish religious scholar, he doesn't know what it means to be born again cos' their resurrection prospect is for the righteous to be resurrected and live forever on paradise earth(Ps 37:29)
. Jesus is the first person to be Born again. He was born of water when he was immersed in water and born of spirit when a spirit in form of dove descended on him!
That's is the first time it happened. Three years after this Jesus promised his disciples (which formed the second set) when the holyspirit descended on this baptized individual hereby having the hope of bring resurrected as spirit son of God if they remain faithful!

After Apostle mentioned all these faithful men including Abraham of prechristian era, He said "Their promise is different and better than theirs" and they will not be made perfect like them'(Hebrews 11:35, 39, 40)

Under, Christ millennial reign, these anointed Christains, brother serving as kings and priests, will dispense the benefits of the ransom to resurrected ones(earthly hope). Such faithful o will thus “be made perfect”​Made Alive





Did you pay attention to verse 10
"There is no knowledge or work in the Sheol "you're going"
Did you?

of course the dead cannot work, learn or do anything again how does that translate to " they no longer exist", all the writer describes is in recourse to earthly life.
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dappa071:
Are you ready to present a better offer?
Like my brother Maximus always says: “If you can show us a better performing group than JWs, then you have our word that nobody will remain in the organization in the next 48hours.”
But since you can't do that, you're just pointing fingers everywhere as if you have anything better to offer. Shiorrrr I'm proud to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses abegi!

ok suite yourself

livingchrist:
of course the dead cannot work, learn or do anything again how does that translate to " they no longer exist", all the writer describes is in recourse to earthly life

Good boy!
If they can't learn again and their thoughts perished the day they died....How can they learn the gospel about Jesus as you claimed?

dappa071:
Are you sure you're not johnw47? You both type awfully alike—no atom of wisdom portrayed in your words, just like his too.
I'm not going to go through this again.



Come to your own conclusions and we'll call it a day.

false jw dapp

you false jw's are paranoid, of course it comes from your father
just like your lies do:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

haddeylium:
Good boy!
If they can't learn again and their thoughts perished the day they died....How can they learn the gospel about Jesus as you claimed?

reread my previous post.

livingchrist:
reread my previous post.

No knowledge in 'Sheol' you're going
Do you accept what the Bible teaches as to the condition of deads?

dappa071:
Are you sure you're not johnw47? You both type awfully alike—no atom of wisdom portrayed in your words, just like his too.
I'm not going to go through this again.



Come to your own conclusions and we'll call it a day.

fearfully paranoid false jw dapp

forget about my words, here's God's Truth for you:

Rev 21:8  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

dappa071:
Are you ready to present a better offer?
Like my brother Maximus always says: “If you can show us a better performing group than JWs, then you have our word that nobody will remain in the organization in the next 48hours.”
But since you can't do that, you're just pointing fingers everywhere as if you have anything better to offer. Shiorrrr I'm proud to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses abegi!

paranoid false jw dapp

mormons are proud to be mormons also
masons are proud to be masons too
all groups are proud to be part of their groups
they all think they have the truth

you are all blinded by your groups, laughing

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



now come back with a bit of your wisdom oh great know nothing

@livingchrist, since you claim every Christian is ‘born of God’, what's your take on 1John 2:2?
What did John mean by “Jesus died for not just our own sins but also the sins of the world” ?

Who do you think John is referring to in the underlined? Use that verse and John 3:3-6 to answer 1John 5:1. Then you can understand that everlasting life/salvation is not tied to just those who are ‘born again’ or chosen to be Kingdom heirs(Romans 8:16-17), but the gift of everlasting life is extended to the whole world, if only they exercise faith in Jesus i.e. obey Jesus' commandments. (John 3:16,36, Romans 6:23, 1Timothy 2:4)

livingchrist:
ok! Thanks for this.
@ max, so anyone who accept Jesus teachings will enter into God's kingdom, right?
So those on earth are going to be people who didnt accept Jesus teachings, right?

I'll make Nigeria an example, in the seventies and eighties i remember that whenever anyone made mention of LAGOS what comes to mind is the seat of power in Nigeria. It was later that the capital was moved to ABUJA.
All the senators, reps, ministers and President (commander in chief of all Nigerian forces) were moved to ABUJA, that doesn't change the fact that anyone living in other parts of Nigeria aren't members of the federal republic of Nigeria Sir!

JEHOVAH is the creator and he's the ruler of the entire universe, the only place hijacked from him is earth and this was so because the first pair of human connived with Satan to rebel against the Creator. So whenever you hear of God's Kingdom it doesn't mean heaven but all the places where God's righteous order will be established, just as when you hear of Federal Republic of Nigeria it doesn't mean Abuja alone but all the places where the authority of our sitting government works.
Heaven will be the seat of God's government, and stop being fooled that there was no pollution in heaven before now, there was a time that even the faithful and loyal angels there had to put up with Satan and other rebellious angels until they were ousted {Revelation 12:7-12} in like manner God is promising us that evil will be removed from the earth not that the earth will be condemned as your misinformed religious teachers often say, God never condemn heaven just because Satan polluted it rather God arranged for Satan and the demons to be ousted so the same thing will also happen on earth {Proverbs 2:20-22} and peace will reign again on this same planet! Psalms 37:9-11, 67:6-7
So just as those on government seat in Abuja are the first set of citizens in Nigeria, also those transformed into spirits will become the first set of God's government and their government seat of power will be in heaven with Jesus, that's why they need to become spirit beings Sir!

If being a cult member means having a global family of peace loving worshipers {John 17:20-23 compared to Micah 4:1-3} where i can just walk up to anyone and be welcomed as a brother not minding the skin colour tribe or tongue {Matthew 12:46-49 compared to John 13:34-35} then i'll remain a cultist under such setting for life! Matthew 10:22-25

dappa071:
Shiorrrr I'm proud to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses abegi!

haddeylium:
No knowledge in 'Sheol' you're going
Do you accept what the Bible teaches as to the condition of deads?

And who says, there is knowledge in sheol?

It simply means the dead can't be preached to neither can they be taught anything, so the idea that Jesus preached to the dead doesn't refer to those who are in the grave because there is no knowledge there. Ecclesiastes 9:6,10
You guys can read the Bible for sure but as for the practical application of God's word only JWs can teach you!

livingchrist:
And who says, there is knowledge in sheol?

What a pity, they feel like arguing with JWs but they lack the wisdom to dish out useful points!

haddeylium:
No knowledge in 'Sheol' you're going
Do you accept what the Bible teaches as to the condition of deads?

livingchrist:
And who says, there is knowledge in sheol?

You claimed Abraham is taking in knowledge about Jesus' gospel in Sheol... remember?

See ehn, Abraham is a righteous man, but he's not a born again Christain'. His hope with other faithful people in the prechristian era(with Christ as king and the born again as co-rulers) is to be resurrected and live forever on paradise Earth.

Psalm 37:29(KJV)
29The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.

Barristter07:
And what is born of Spirit is Spirit. .

Explain Jesus statement that those born of spirit are Spirit

A. They have holy spirit

B. They have spirit/breath of life

C. They will become A Spirit being and live in heaven.


This is the final straw that will break the Camels back.

Cc: Livingchrist and Emusan. Why did both of you avoid this ...

livingchrist:
another angle
Cc barrister, who is the flesh that people who will live for ever will be born from?

The flesh refer to their Human origin from Adam, which didn't change. (Rev 21:3,4) it doesn't mean they are not children of God , even evil men are called God's children, how much more righteous ones? but they are not adopted as Spirit sons.

livingchrist:
If only you will start questioning Jehovah witness organisation teachings, their teachings are full of lies and twisting, they are deliberating keeping you folks in bondage.
Jesus said you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

Coming from someone that cannot stop somersaulting to explain simple thing like how John is the least person in God's kingdom.

MaxInDHouse:
It simply means the dead can't be preached to neither can they be taught anything, so the idea that Jesus preached to the dead doesn't refer to those who are in the grave because there is no knowledge there. Ecclesiastes 9:6,10
You guys can read the Bible for sure but as for the practical application of God's word only JWs can teach you!

they are only dead to men not to God, what solomon wrote was from the position of those under the sun.

haddeylium:
You claimed Abraham is taking in knowledge about Jesus' gospel in Sheol... remember?

See ehn, Abraham is a righteous man, but he's not a born again Christain'. His hope with other faithful people in the prechristian era(with Christ as king and the born again as co-rulers) is to be resurrected and live forever on paradise Earth.

Psalm 37:29(KJV)
29The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.

Abraham was preached to, when he was alive.

Barristter07:
Cc: Livingchrist and Emusan. Why did both of you avoid this ...

you didnt answer our question

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