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MaxInDHouse:
There are many spirits claiming Jesus out there Sir {Matthew 7:21-23} and it's by observing what is happening in the midst of the worshipers that intelligent persons can be sure that the spirit they gathered to worship is not Jesus but a demon! Matthew 18:20

So think Sir, the real Jesus is God's only begotten SON, he is now a powerful spirit king and his subjects have LOVE {John 13:34-35} JOY {Luke 10:17} and PEACE {John 14:27} reigning in their midst!

if you can't point to any GROUP where God's' attributes that Jesus reflects can be noticed as a king in the midst of his subjects then you don't really know Jesus Sir!

lie lie, Jesus said he is the way not your cult group

Janosky:
Bros, STOP your gibberish


Bros, angels are not Jehovah their God.

Jehovah is Almighty & Supreme , the God of myriads of loyal angels in heaven.

Man and Lion are flesh by nature.
Can you not spot the differences between Man and Lion?
Bros, since you can't spot the difference, why you no roam the forest with Lions & wild animals?

Bros, wey your SENSE ?

why are dancing round the question like mosquito?
I bet you think you and lion has the same nature,

Janosky:
Ask Blabbermouth if he swallowed your fictitious claim " Angels are Jehovah" .

Bros, Your somersaults full this thread

trying to use reverse psychology on me
Shey you say Jehovah and Angels has same nature,

Janosky so Jehovah is an angel

Janosky:
Man and Lion is flesh by nature.
But are you so daft, you can't spot their differences?
For once, Bros reason with your brain.

help me reason na, since nah you get brain
Man and lion do they have same nature?

Jozzy4:
One hope , the hope of everlasting life . But two ressurection . Open your senses

Some enjoy this hope as spirit sons (John 3:6, 1Pet 1:4) , others as human sons (Revelation 21:3,4)

Meanwhile the focus of this thread is on the spirit sons, as their nature tells us what body Jesus have after ressurection.

There's ONLY ONE HOPE OF RESURRECTION which is sow in NATURAL HUMAN BODIES and raised in SPIRITUAL BODIES.

You can show us where it is said, raised in NATURAL HUMAN BODIES.

Nothing like spirit sons, ALL BELIEVERS are BORN OF GOD and Born again. If you're not then your home is everlasting fire.

3 I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them. 4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.” Rev 21:3-4

I didn't see where HUMAN SONS are mentioned here, can you show us?

Jozzy4:
The Bible said what is born of spirit , is spirit . You said it's wrong because your small brain think Jesus birth as a little child was the new birth. That's strictly your problem.

So is Jesus not born of spirit?

Does that make Him a spirit being on earth?

Emusan:
So is Jesus not born of spirit?

Does that make Him a spirit being on earth?

haha good question but I am afraid is going to start spinning like he always does

Thousands of powerful spirits claimed they are God before JEHOVAH made himself known to Abraham and promised him so many things. Genesis 12:1-3
While JEHOVAH introduced himself to Abraham Isaac and Jacob, in many other lands powerful spirits also claimed the same thing, that's why each nation had their mode of worship and priests. This is what used to lead to wars amongst the nations back then until Egypt came out as the strongest and first world power.
JEHOVAH allowed Abraham's children to become slaves in the land of Egypt, that was the time he made the greatest name for himself.
Despite this most people still worships different Gods so JEHOVAH separated the Israelites by giving them his laws which no nation had before.

If you're now reading the Bible (written by the descendants of Abraham) know that they can't acknowledge any other spirit as God. But that doesn't mean there is no Gods (powerful spirits) controlling other people as their worshipers elsewhere.
JEHOVAH claim to be the Creator of all things so he pronounced himself as the Almighty God through the book he inspired the Israelites to write!

So for anyone to claim he is one of the worshipers of our own God (JEHOVAH), you must know why JEHOVAH called Abraham out from amongst his people and why JEHOVAH always refer to the Israelites as his special possession out of all races when he's the Creator of all flesh.

YES! JEHOVAH is the one and only true God but there are many powerful spirits claiming God for thousands of years, that's why there are lots and lots of difference in forms of worship.

Worshipers of JEHOVAH wil always demand for the GROUP that's worshipping our God because we know that difference in forms of worship means different spirits!

livingchrist:
Hide your head in shame
so Jehovah is not God by nature so who made Jehovah God?

YES Jesus said that and at the same time he said "many false prophets will rise and mislead many" {Matthew 24:11} of course those false prophets will gather people and start feeding them with junks in the name of Jesus, what will help to know that they're not teachers from Jesus is the result of their teachings in the midst of the followers! Matthew 7:16-20

livingchrist:
lie lie, Jesus said he is the way not your cult group

Barristter07:
I will merge some of your comments .

So what's my concern about that?

If Jesus human birth is the meaning of born of spirit, Why then aren't those born of spirit turning to babies ? You well at all ?

I THINK THE POINT IS CLEAR. JESUS HUMAN BIRTH as a baby HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NEW BIRTH.

But the human birth was as a RESULT OF SPIRIT, isn't it?

Isn't the same spirit that some people are BORN OF?

Don't act silly

You ARE silly

New birth in which form ? Human or spirit.

Then explain the expression " Is spirit " ?

One two . I expect an answer . Sweeping away the refugee of lies. Question tagged P1

I need an answer to P1.

The Holy Spirit gives ALL BELIEVERS the NEW BIRTH

See the idiot, so if what is born of spirit is spirit, then those people should have immediately become A SPIRIT BEINGS on earth since you agreed that their BORN OF SPIRIT happened before they died.

There are two ressurection. First ressurection as a Spirit person (strictly Those born of spirit among believers ) , second ressurection as humans ( Believers and unbelievers )

There's ONLY ONE TYPE OF RESURRECTION for ALL BELIEVERS...oponu

Nobody talks about two DIFFERENT resurrection.

Think about the highlighted, you don't choose to be a born again, God does . And even the person can't tell how it happens.

Firstly, evidentlce from the scripture is that ALL BELIEVERS are BORN AGAIN

Secondly, scripture affirms that ALL BELIEVERS are BORN OF GOD.

Thirdly, "As many that believe Jesus EVEN THOSE BELIEVING ON HIS NAME, he gave power to become God's son not BORN of the will of flesh or man but OF GOD" This proves that ALL BELIEVERS are God's SON and BORN OF GOD who is a Spirit.

So going by your lying interpretation of John 3:6 Born of Spirit is Spirit means ALL BELIEVERS will become A SPIRIT BEINGS since they were are born of God.

Despite this red, your likes still try to say Jesus was buried natural human and raised with the same human body of kidneys and intestines.

Yes He was raised with human body but the glorified one which is spiritual.

A spiritual body is the opposite of a Natural human body , not physical . Proving the point that those born of Spirit and Jesus are all going to be Spirit persons.

Spiritual is defined as that which opposed to physical

@living4christ has schooled you people on this before so I don't need wasting my time.

That something is spiritual doesn't mean it's not PHYSICAL. You can refresh your dull brain on that.

And for the records millions will ressurect will their Human Bodies and live forever on Earth . Revelation 21:3,4 , it says Humans , creatures of flesh and blood.

Provide us with the translations of Rev 21:3-4 where HUMANS, CREATURES OF FLESH AND BLOOD appear. Liars like your father the devil.

The challenge for you is to show us from the scripture where it is written that "buried in natural human bodies and RAISED IN NATURAL HUMAN BODIES"

You couldn't see it in your demonic translation

Chosen to be born of spirit is not a decision an individual made as have shown you previously, the point is they have that hope of ressurection as Spirit. This is why it says what is born of spirit IS SPIRIT.

God is not a partial God.

If ALL BELIEVERS ARE BORN OF GOD
if ALL BELIEVERS ARE GOD'S SON
if ALL BELIEVERS are given power to become children of God.

On what ground will God select some people and rejected other?

So it's not a decision yet the said individuals MUST STILL PROOF FAITHFUL to God

What is born of spirit is spirit, which means immediately they were born of spirit they will become a spirit being yet your so called partiality selection are born of spirit while on earth BUT ONLY TO BECOME SPIRIT BEINGS AT RESURRECTION.

Your brain needs service, branch any mechanic workshop for that.

Janosky:
I have not read all comment here, the Bible says in heaven angels are spirits, just as Jehovah God is Spirit.

But the differences between Jehovah God and angels is like the gulf between day and night.

If my brothers are saying something different.
Please, can I see your proof ?

I kept repeating - All flesh are not the same. All spirit are not the same.
I believe the above is your position too.

Your brothers said - Angel and Jehovah are EXACTLY THE SAME. NO DIFFERENCE ASIDE FOR AUTHORITY

You said - there is difference between Jehovah and his Angels, and it's as the gulf between day and night.

We should get this fact clear....
In Philippians 2:6-7, Mark16:12, Greek 3444 FORM means shape, Outward appearance. Figuratively nature.
A child has the human form of his parents,does he have the nature of his parents?

You tell.

Man and Lion are fleshly in nature.
But,we can spot the differences between them.
Likewise, spirits in heaven, there are obvious differences too.

Again, your brothers said - EXACTLY THE SAME.
I said - just like Man and Lion, the difference between God and Angels is not just Authority.

Levels dey for everything ooo

Spot on!

Therefore, in heaven angels, Jesus Christ and the born again co-rulers are spirits, just as God is Spirit.

Jehovah made them spirits.
None of them is Almighty, Only Jehovah is Almighty.

We know.
Is it only the Almightiness that is the difference?

MaxInDHouse:
Thousands of powerful spirits claimed they are God before JEHOVAH made himself known to Abraham and promised him so many things. Genesis 12:1-3
While JEHOVAH introduced himself to Abraham Isaac and Jacob, in many other lands powerful spirits also claimed the same thing, that's why each nation had their mode of worship and priests. This is what used to lead to wars amongst the nations back then until Egypt came out as the strongest and first world power.
JEHOVAH allowed Abraham's children to become slaves in the land of Egypt, that was the time he made the greatest name for himself.
Despite this most people still worships different Gods so JEHOVAH separated the Israelites by giving them his laws which no nation had before.

If you're now reading the Bible (written by the descendants of Abraham) know that they can't acknowledge any other spirit as God. But that doesn't mean there is no Gods (powerful spirits) controlling other people as their worshipers elsewhere.
JEHOVAH claim to be the Creator of all things so he pronounced himself as the Almighty God through the book he inspired the Israelites to write!

So for anyone to claim he is one of the worshipers of our own God (JEHOVAH), you must know why JEHOVAH called Abraham out from amongst his people and why JEHOVAH always refer to the Israelites as his special possession out of all races when he's the Creator of all flesh.

YES! JEHOVAH is the one and only true God but there are many powerful spirits claiming God for thousands of years, that's why there are lots and lots of difference in forms of worship.

Worshipers of JEHOVAH wil always demand for the GROUP that's worshipping our God because we know that difference in forms of worship means different spirits!

If God is a just a title, that means Jehovah is bearing a title that does not reflect who he is.

when you say Jehovah is the only true God what do you mean?

If Jehovah is not God by his nature then he is no different from others who are just bearing the title, right?

Emusan:
So what's my concern about that?



But the human birth was as a RESULT OF SPIRIT, isn't it?

Isn't the same spirit that some people are BORN OF?



You ARE silly



One two . I expect an answer . Sweeping away the refugee of lies. Question tagged P1

I need an answer to P1.

The Holy Spirit gives ALL BELIEVERS the NEW BIRTH

See the idiot, so if what is born of spirit is spirit, then those people should have immediately become A SPIRIT BEINGS on earth since you agreed that their BORN OF SPIRIT happened before they died.

There are two ressurection. First ressurection as a Spirit person (strictly Those born of spirit among believers ) , second ressurection as humans ( Believers and unbelievers )

There's ONLY ONE TYPE OF RESURRECTION for ALL BELIEVERS...oponu

Nobody talks about two DIFFERENT resurrection.

Think about the highlighted, you don't choose to be a born again, God does . And even the person can't tell how it happens.

Firstly, evidentlce from the scripture is that ALL BELIEVERS are BORN AGAIN

Secondly, scripture affirms that ALL BELIEVERS are BORN OF GOD.

Thirdly, "As many that believe Jesus EVEN THOSE BELIEVING ON HIS NAME, he gave power to become God's son not BORN of the will of flesh or man but OF GOD" This proves that ALL BELIEVERS are God's SON and BORN OF GOD who is a Spirit.

So going by your lying interpretation of John 3:6 Born of Spirit is Spirit means ALL BELIEVERS will become A SPIRIT BEINGS since they were are born of God.

Despite this red, your likes still try to say Jesus was buried natural human and raised with the same human body of kidneys and intestines.

Yes He was raised with human body but the glorified one which is spiritual.

A spiritual body is the opposite of a Natural human body , not physical . Proving the point that those born of Spirit and Jesus are all going to be Spirit persons.

Spiritual is defined as that which opposed to physical

@living4christ has schooled you people on this before so I don't need wasting my time.

That something is spiritual doesn't mean it's not PHYSICAL. You can refresh your dull brain on that.

And for the records millions will ressurect will their Human Bodies and live forever on Earth . Revelation 21:3,4 , it says Humans , creatures of flesh and blood.

Provide us with the translations of Rev 21:3-4 where HUMANS, CREATURES OF FLESH AND BLOOD appear. Liars like your father the devil.

The challenge for you is to show us from the scripture where it is written that "buried in natural human bodies and RAISED IN NATURAL HUMAN BODIES"

You couldn't see it in your demonic translation

Chosen to be born of spirit is not a decision an individual made as have shown you previously, the point is they have that hope of ressurection as Spirit. This is why it says what is born of spirit IS SPIRIT.

God is not a partial God.

If ALL BELIEVERS ARE BORN OF GOD
if ALL BELIEVERS ARE GOD'S SON
if ALL BELIEVERS are given power to become children of God.

On what ground will God select some people and rejected other?

So it's not a decision yet the said individuals MUST STILL PROOF FAITHFUL to God

What is born of spirit is spirit, which means immediately they were born of spirit they will become a spirit being yet your so called partiality selection are born of spirit while on earth BUT ONLY TO BECOME SPIRIT BEINGS AT RESURRECTION.

Your brain needs service, branch any mechanic workshop for that.

How can God who is a Spirit give birth to some spirit and others flesh, whereas they are busy shouting that he that is born of Spirit is Spirit, following that same line anyone born of God who is a Spirit should also be spirit.

They are just clowns! Dont take them serious
The bible say anyone who believes on Jesus is born of God.
Since God is a Spirit also all Christians are born of the spirit,


1 John 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

livingchrist:
How can God who is a Spirit give birth to some spirit and others flesh,

@Revelation 21:3, who will be God's people?
Spirits or humans?
Note that they(humans) will also be called children(fleshly sons) of God.(Romans 8:21)

Also please try in your free time to compare Rev 21:3 with Rev 7:15, Rev 22:1 with Rev 7:17b and Rev 21:4 with Rev 7:17c. You'll find out the great multitude[crowd] of Revelation 7 has a very close connection with the “mankind” mentioned at Revelation 21:3! That's just our classic “Scripture will interpret Scripture” routine.
And that'll prove that not all of God's people who are to be saved will become spirit creatures and go to heaven to rule with Christ.

These ones according to Revelation 7:10 owe salvation to Jehovah God and to the Lamb by means of exercising faith and obeying his commandments. (John 3:16,36, 15:10)
Which means they're a completely different set of people to inherit ‘life with no end’ as fleshly humans on earth(Ps 37:11, Matt 5:3,5, 2Pet 3:13)

Therefore they are completely different from those in Revelation 7:4-8 & 14:1-4 in the sense that these ones have the prospect of ruling with Christ as immortal spirits held out to them if only they remain faithful in their earthly course(Philippians 3:21, Hebrews 3:14, 2Peter 1:4,10)
They(born again Christians) are chosen through Jehovah's holy spirit and sealed on the basis of Christ's ransom sacrifice to become joint heirs, kings, priests, judges with Jesus Christ for the 1,000years.(Romans 8:16-17, 2Timothy 2:12, Revelation 1:6, 5:9-10, 20:4,6)

I know it might be hard to grasp but that's why Paul cleared the air when he mentioned that his letters were addressed to only those who would be part of the ruling team! He knew that there was a a foreordained number of this spiritual Israel(Romans 11:25, 1Corinthians 6:2, Galatians 6:16) so don't be shocked when Paul totally agrees with Jesus and the vision given to John that a “little flock” of 144,000 anointed(born again) Christians are the only ones that are to be “bought from among mankind” to rule and judge as immortal spirit beings! (Matthew 19:28, Luke 12:32, 20:35-36, John 14:2, Revelation 6:11, 14:1-5)

whereas they are busy shouting that he that is born of Spirit is Spirit, following that same line anyone born of God who is a Spirit should also be spirit.
They are just clowns! Dont take them serious
The bible say anyone who believes on Jesus is born of God.
Since God is a Spirit also all Christians are born of the spirit,


1 John 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

dappa071:
@livingchrist, since you claim every Christian is ‘born of God’, what's your take on 1John 2:2?
What did John mean by “Jesus died for not just our own sins but also the sins of the world” ?

Who do you think John is referring to in the underlined? Use that verse and John 3:3-6 to answer 1John 5:1. Then you can understand that everlasting life/salvation is not tied to just those who are ‘born again’ or chosen to be Kingdom heirs(Romans 8:16-17), but the gift of everlasting life is extended to the whole world, if only they exercise faith in Jesus i.e. obey Jesus' commandments. (John 3:16,36, Romans 6:23, 1Timothy 2:4, Revelation 7:10*)

DappaD:
@Revelation 21:3, who will be God's people?
Spirits or humans?
Note that they(humans) will also be called children(fleshly sons) of God.(Romans 8:21)

Also please try in your free time to compare Rev 21:3 with Rev 7:15, Rev 22:1 with Rev 7:17b and Rev 21:4 with Rev 7:17c. You'll find out the great multitude[crowd] of Revelation 7 has a very close connection with the “mankind” mentioned at Revelation 21:3! That's just our classic “Scripture will interpret Scripture” routine.
And that'll prove that not all of God's people who are to be saved will become spirit creatures and go to heaven to rule with Christ.

These ones according to Revelation 7:10 owe salvation to Jehovah God and to the Lamb by means of exercising faith and obeying his commandments. (John 3:16,36, 15:10)
Which means they're a completely different set of people to inherit ‘life with no end’ as fleshly humans on earth(Ps 37:11, Matt 5:3,5, 2Pet 3:13)

Therefore they are completely different from those in Revelation 7:4-8 & 14:1-4 in the sense that these ones have the prospect of ruling with Christ as immortal spirits held out to them if only they remain faith in their earthly course(Philippians 3:21, Hebrews 3:14, 2Peter 1:4,10)
They(born again Christians) are chosen through Jehovah's holy spirit and sealed on the basis of Christ's ransom sacrifice to become joint heirs, kings, priests, judges with Jesus Christ for the 1,000years.(Romans 8:16-17, 2Timothy 2:12, Revelation 1:6, 5:9-10, 20:4,6)

I know it might be hard to grasp but that's why Paul cleared the air when he mentioned that his letters were addressed to those who would be part of the ruling team! He knew that there was a a foreordained number of this spiritual Israel(Romans 11:25, 1Corinthians 6:2, Galatians 6:16) so don't be shocked when Paul totally agrees with Jesus and the vision given to John that a “little flock” of 144,000 anointed(born again) Christians are the only ones that to be “bought from among mankind” to rule and judge as immortal spirits! (Matthew 19:28, Luke 12:32, John 14:2, Revelation 6:11, 14:1-5)

These ones according to Revelation 7:10 owe salvation to Jehovah God and to the Lamb by means of exercising faith and obeying his commandments. (John 3:16,36, 15:10)


The other ones (144,000) don't OWE their SALVATION to Jehovah and to the lamb by means of exercising faith and obeying his COMMANDS

To show How can God who is a Spirit give birth to some spirit and others flesh

Required those LOADS of over 20 bible VERSES and yet the below

John 1:12, 13 states However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name. 13 And they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God.


Can you see where it states THEY WERE EXERCISING FAITH IN HIS NAME as it lines up with your

by means of exercising faith and obeying his commandments


@livingchrist this SCRIPTURAL Mental gymnastics no be for here oooo


Peter follow JOIN........

Through him you are believers in God, the one who raised him up from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope might be in God. 22 Now that you have purified yourselves by your obedience to the truth with unhypocritical brotherly affection as the result, love one another intensely from the heart. 23 For you have been given a new birth, not by corruptible, but by incorruptible seed, through the word of the living and enduring God


Bible Isaiah 53:11
Though the LORD desired to crush him and make him ill, once restitution is made, he will see descendants and enjoy long life, and the LORD's purpose will be accomplished through him


I know it might be hard to grasp but that's why Paul cleared the air when he mentioned that his letters were addressed to those who would be part of the ruling team! He knew that there was a a foreordained number of this spiritual Israel


Because it was addressed to the RULING TEAM becomes the basis for difficulty in understanding what was conveyed .

Where is the place of the HELPER Jesus promised in all these

Abeg abeg my comment was addressed to someone who has respect for God and the Bible to a certain degree and not a hopeless apostate disciple of the John Cedars organization!

“LET THE ONE WHO HAS EARS LISTEN!” (Matthew 11:15, Mark 4:23)

DappaD:
Abeg abeg my comment was addressed to someone who has respect for God and the Bible to a certain degree and not a hopeless apostate disciple of the John Cedars organization!

“LET THE ONE WHO HAS EARS LISTEN!” (Matthew 11:15, Mark 4:23)

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livingchrist:
If God is a just a title, that means Jehovah is bearing a title that does not reflect who he is.

The word "GOD" has so many meaning that is why JEHOVAH used the Bible to introduce himself to humans. Before he called Abraham out of Ur many people have started calling on his name in a wrong way (use his name for different forms of worship). So he need to make himself distinct from those rebellious angels impersonating him since all those demons are claiming GOD and millions were worshipping them.

when you say Jehovah is the only true God what do you mean?

I love this question!
Psalms 83:18 says "That people may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth"
This simply means that there are many other Gods people worship in other places but the one and only true God is JEHOVAH the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob all other Gods are deceptive spirits (demons) impersonating GOD. Even God's word acknowledged Satan as a mighty spirit being who has become the God worshipped by majority of Earth's inhabitants! John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19

If Jehovah is not God by his nature then he is no different from others who are just bearing the title, right?

NO! Remember Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon (a one time world power) declared after been an eyewitness of the mightiness of the God of Israel "I bless the name of the God of Shadrach Meshach and Abednego who sent his angel to deliver his worshipers from fire, let everyone under my kingdom not say a word against the God of Shadrach Meshach and Abednego" {Daniel 3:28-29} Nebuchadnezzar could say this not because he wants to start worshipping the God of Israel, note that he (Nebuchadnezzar) didn't ask from those three Hebrews what he must do to become a worshiper of their God. So Nebuchadnezzar and all other people from different places have different Gods they worship he only declared that he now respect the God of Shadrach Meshach and Abednego. Meaning Nebuchadnezzar never had how this God had been delivering his people singlehandedly, after all he went to Jerusalem (where the Temple of this God was built) conquered the city and burnt down both the city and God's Temple. So how on Earth could he have known that the same God he desecrated his Temple was the one and only true God?
So JEHOVAH only prove himself when he need to do so, he never disturbed the demons from being Gods in other places, when the worshipers of those demons decide to trample on JEHOVAH'S worship and his true worshipers that's when he will act to prove his ALMIGHTINESS!

Thanks and God bless you!

DappaD:
Abeg abeg my comment was addressed to someone who has respect for God and the Bible to a certain degree and not a hopeless apostate disciple of the John Cedars organization!

“LET THE ONE WHO HAS EARS LISTEN!” (Matthew 11:15, Mark 4:23)

Abeg abeg my comment was addressed to someone who has respect for God and the Bible to a certain degree

Na forum dem call am. You don't have to address it to me before I join the discussion. Or na every of my post I addressed to you before you decided to put mouth?

and not a hopeless apostate

When you start selling hope in the ORGANIZATION [/b]you belong[b] inform me

disciple of the John Cedars organization!

how you take know am? Na your ORG website carry you go there? John Cedars section don dey JW website . Biko give me the link.

Did you see me mention John Cedars that made you call me his disciples?

“LET THE ONE WHO HAS EARS LISTEN!” (Matthew 11:15, Mark 4:23)

I believed you were listening to my post the reason for this post of yours

DappaD:
@Revelation 21:3, who will be God's people?
Spirits or humans?
Note that they(humans) will also be called children(fleshly sons) of God.(Romans 8:21)[/b]

Is God flesh? How can he give birth to fleshly sons?
DappaD anyone one born of the spirit (God) is also spirit.

Also please try in your free time to compare Rev 21:3 with Rev 7:15, Rev 22:1 with Rev 7:17b and Rev 21:4 with Rev 7:17c. You'll find out the great multitude[crowd] of Revelation 7 has a very close connection with the “mankind” mentioned at Revelation 21:3! That's just our classic “Scripture will interpret Scripture” routine.
And that'll prove that not all of God's people who are to be saved will become spirit creatures and go to heaven to rule with Christ.

These ones according to Revelation 7:10 owe salvation to Jehovah God and to the Lamb by means of exercising faith and obeying his commandments. (John 3:16,36, 15:10)
Which means they're a completely different set of people to inherit ‘life with no end’ as fleshly humans on earth(Ps 37:11, Matt 5:3,5, 2Pet 3:13)

Therefore they are completely different from those in Revelation 7:4-8 & 14:1-4 in the sense that these ones have the prospect of ruling with Christ as immortal spirits held out to them if only they remain faithful in their earthly course(Philippians 3:21, Hebrews 3:14, 2Peter 1:4,10)
They(born again Christians) are chosen through Jehovah's holy spirit and sealed on the basis of Christ's ransom sacrifice to become joint heirs, kings, priests, judges with Jesus Christ for the 1,000years.(Romans 8:16-17, 2Timothy 2:12, Revelation 1:6, 5:9-10, 20:4,6)

I know it might be hard to grasp but that's why Paul cleared the air when he mentioned that his letters were addressed to only those who would be part of the ruling team! He knew that there was a a foreordained number of this spiritual Israel(Romans 11:25, 1Corinthians 6:2, Galatians 6:16) so don't be shocked when Paul totally agrees with Jesus and the vision given to John that a “little flock” of 144,000 anointed(born again) Christians are the only ones that are to be “bought from among mankind” to rule and judge as immortal spirit beings! (Matthew 19:28, Luke 12:32, 20:35-36, John 14:2, Revelation 6:11, 14:1-5)

All these are rubbish, you cannot establish how God who is Spirit could give birth to flesh.
It is your word against Jesus' word, Jesus said anyone born of spirit is spirit, so how can Spirit give birth to flesh

livingchrist:
Is God flesh? How can he give birth to fleshly sons?
DappaD anyone one born of the spirit (God) is also spirit.
All these are rubbish, you cannot establish how God who is Spirit could give birth to flesh.
It is your word against Jesus' word, Jesus said anyone born of spirit is spirit, so how can Spirit give birth to flesh

You can read, right? When did any of us here claim to be born of spirit? Who told you that you get to choose if you're born again or not? I think you don't understand what Jesus and Peter meant at Matthew 20:20-23 and 1Peter 2:9. Those who are born again to become spirit creatures are called and chosen! It's not a choice one makes.
Please show me one comment made by any JW here who said otherwise.

livingchrist:
Is God flesh? How can he give birth to fleshly sons?
DappaD anyone one born of the spirit (God) is also spirit.

God's word called Adam "the son of God" {Luke 3:38} of course Adam was flesh.
So God had spirit sons a well as flesh sons.

All these are rubbish, you cannot establish how God who is Spirit could give birth to flesh.
It is your word against Jesus' word, Jesus said anyone born of spirit is spirit, so how can Spirit give birth to flesh

It's the born again that Jesus is talking about here, they have lived all their lives in the flesh but now what will happen to them after resurrection?
Their unnatural spiritual birth will take effect and they will be transformed into spirits! 2Corinthians 3:18

God bless you!

livingchrist:
How can God who is a Spirit give birth to some spirit and others flesh, whereas they are busy shouting that he that is born of Spirit is Spirit, following that same line anyone born of God who is a Spirit should also be spirit.

They are just clowns! Dont take them serious
The bible say anyone who believes on Jesus is born of God.
Since God is a Spirit also all Christians are born of the spirit,


1 John 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

The @bold is really laughable, no wonder they can't tell us THE FLESH who produces the people who will live forever on earth.

This is how you'll know that, they fully understand and know that RESURRECTION is in GLORIFIED HUMAN BODY but since the doctrine of Jesus didn't take His body back mist be uphold, then the confusion started.

@underlined is what they can't disprove from the scripture.

Once you're not BORN AGAIN OR BORN OF SPIRIT, you don't belong to Jesus and His Father.

Apostle Paul in fact made it clear in Gal 4 when he compared ALL BELIEVERS as born of spirit (from Sarah) to unbelievers who are born of FLESH (from Haggai).

21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise. 24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written: “Be glad, barren woman, you who never bore a child; shout for joy and cry aloud, you who were never in labor; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband.” 28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman. Gal 4 21-31 CEV

Vs 31 explicitly stated that we're not CHILDREN OF THE BONDWOMAN BUT OF THE FREE WOMAN because the children of the BONDWOMAN are born after FLESH, have no inheritance and remained SLAVE

No doubt that everyone knows Haggai here represents the unbelievers.

Now, notice what verse 24 says "These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants.

So with God there's ONLY TWO COVENANTS either you belong to Flesh and remained slave or to the Spirit and be free.

That's why they're many contrasts between FLESH (referring to our sinful nature) and SPIRIT (a regenerated of our sinful nature) in the scripture which John 3:6 was part of.

So you are still dancing with the devil...

Janosky:
Man and Lion is flesh by nature.
But are you so daft, you can't spot their differences?
For once, Bros reason with your brain.

DappaD:
@Revelation 21:3, who will be God's people?
Spirits or humans?
Note that they(humans) will also be called children(fleshly sons) of God.(Romans 8:21)

Funny how you people cherry pick any word from the scripture.

This is Rev21:3 "God’s home is now with his people. He will live with them, and they will be his own. Yes, God will make his home among his people."

That verse says God's HOME is with HIS PEOPLE

The same verse goes further to say "GOD will make HIS HOME among His people"

This shows that this verse is talking about THE ABODE OF GOD.

Or let just say, God will kukuma leave ALL THE SPIRIT BEINGS in heaven and be living with HIS PEOPLE ON EARTH

Also please try in your free time to compare Rev 21:3 with Rev 7:15, Rev 22:1 with Rev 7:17b and Rev 21:4 with Rev 7:17c. You'll find out the great multitude[crowd] of Revelation 7 has a very close connection with the “mankind” mentioned at Revelation 21:3! That's just our classic “Scripture will interpret Scripture” routine.
And that'll prove that not all of God's people who are to be saved will become spirit creatures and go to heaven to rule with Christ.

Do you compare the context of the verse yourself before telling someone to do so

It's clear from that verse that the HOME (ABODE) of God will be where those people will be.

I bet you never reason that from that verse.

These ones according to Revelation 7:10 owe salvation to Jehovah God and to the Lamb by means of exercising faith and obeying his commandments. (John 3:16,36, 15:10)
Which means they're a completely different set of people to inherit ‘life with no end’ as fleshly humans on earth(Ps 37:11, Matt 5:3,5, 2Pet 3:13)

Everyone owns their salvation to God and the Lamb.

For as MANY that believe on Him EVEN THOSE who believe in His name, He(Jesus) gave power to become God's son. these sons are not BORN of the will of flesh or man but of God.

This is BORN AGAIN

Therefore they are completely different from those in Revelation 7:4-8 & 14:1-4 in the sense that these ones have the prospect of ruling with Christ as immortal spirits held out to them if only they remain faithful in their earthly course(Philippians 3:21, Hebrews 3:14, 2Peter 1:4,10)
They(born again Christians) are chosen through Jehovah's holy spirit and sealed on the basis of Christ's ransom sacrifice to become joint heirs, kings, priests, judges with Jesus Christ for the 1,000years.(Romans 8:16-17, 2Timothy 2:12, Revelation 1:6, 5:9-10, 20:4,6)

If you're not BORN AGAIN, Born of Spirit or Born of God you have no part with Him and your abode is the everlasting fire.

I know it might be hard to grasp but that's why Paul cleared the air when he mentioned that his letters were addressed to only those who would be part of the ruling team! He knew that there was a a foreordained number of this spiritual Israel(Romans 11:25, 1Corinthians 6:2, Galatians 6:16) so don't be shocked when Paul totally agrees with Jesus and the vision given to John that a “little flock” of 144,000 anointed(born again) Christians are the only ones that are to be “bought from among mankind” to rule and judge as immortal spirit beings! (Matthew 19:28, Luke 12:32, 20:35-36, John 14:2, Revelation 6:11, 14:1-5)

Read the writings of Apostle Paul very well you'll see, it's totally negate your doctrines.

First, there is ONLY ONE TYPE OF RESURRECTION "sowed in natural body and RAISED in spiritual body"

You can provide us the verse where it says "sowed in natural body and RAISED a natural body"

Second, to apostle Paul ALL BELIEVERS have one hope of being with Christ.

Third, to apostle Paul, There's only two covenants Haggai (which represents unbelievers and her children are all born after FLESH and remained SLAVE) and Sarah (which represents BELIEVER and her children are all promise from above and BORN after spirit)

Last, apostle Paul always contrasts flesh and spirit which he admonished ALL BELIEVERS to be AFTER THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT.

So your doctrine of FLESH has no place in God's word.

You can only find that in the book of your father the Devil.

Emusan:

Funny how you people cherry pick any word from the scripture.
This is Rev21:3 "God’s home is now with his people. He will live with them, and they will be his own. Yes, God will make his home among his people."
That verse says God's HOME is with HIS PEOPLE
The same verse goes further to say "GOD will make HIS HOME among His people"
This shows that this verse is talking about THE ABODE OF GOD.
Or let just say, God will kukuma leave ALL THE SPIRIT BEINGS in heaven and be living with HIS PEOPLE ON EARTH Do you compare the context of the verse yourself before telling someone to do so
It's clear from that verse that the HOME (ABODE) of God will be where those people will be.
I bet you never reason that from that verse.

Okay. Verse 3 said MANKIND, fleshly humans(Genesis 5:2) and not spirits.
So at Exodus 25:8, where was God when he said
“I will reside among them” ?
Heaven or earth?

Everyone owns their salvation to God and the Lamb.
For as MANY that believe on Him EVEN THOSE who believe in His name, He(Jesus) gave power to become God's son. these sons are not BORN of the will of flesh or man but of God.This is BORN AGAIN
If you're not BORN AGAIN, Born of Spirit or Born of God you have no part with Him and your abode is the everlasting fire.

So where in Revelation 7:9-17, did the Bible say the great multitude have the seal of God?

Read the writings of Apostle Paul very well you'll see, it's totally negate your doctrines.
First, there is ONLY ONE TYPE OF RESURRECTION "sowed in natural body and RAISED in spiritual body"
You can provide us the verse where it says "sowed in natural body and RAISED a natural body"
Second, to apostle Paul ALL BELIEVERS have one hope of being with Christ.
Third, to apostle Paul, There's only two covenants Haggai (which represents unbelievers and her children are all born after FLESH and remained SLAVE) and Sarah (which represents BELIEVER and her children are all promise from above and BORN after spirit)
Last, apostle Paul always contrasts flesh and spirit which he admonished ALL BELIEVERS to be AFTER THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT.
So your doctrine of FLESH has no place in God's word.
You can only find that in the book of your father the Devil.

A big lol I swear! I thought it's you people that claimed Jesus rose with a fleshly body ?
Why the sudden change of heart?
After all that's the topic of this thread. When JWs were quoting 1Corinthians 15:42-44, your brain go vacation shey?
Thank God you've finally agreed that Jesus rose with a spirit body and that's how far we'll go

MaxInDHouse:
God's word called Adam "the son of God" {Luke 3:38} of course Adam was flesh.
So God had spirit sons a well as flesh sons.

But Adam was not BORN OF GOD.

For existing human being to be BORN OF GOD OR SPIRIT is called BORN AGAIN which is not by going into woman's womb but REBIRTH by God.

This point solidly reiterated in John 1:12-13

12 But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God. 13 They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God. NLV

In fact these two verses are enough to show any open-minded person to see the fraud that NOT ALL BELIEVERS are BORN AGAIN.

If people BORN OF SPIRIT are GIVING NEW BIRTH by the Spirit.

The point is who is THE FLESH that is giving NEW BIRTH OF FLESH to the people who will live forever on earth?

It's the born again that Jesus is talking about here, they have lived all their lives in the flesh but now what will happen to them after resurrection?
Their unnatural spiritual birth will take effect and they will be transformed into spirits! 2Corinthians 3:18

And ALL BELIEVERS are BORN AGAIN...

If you're not BORN AGAIN, Born of Spirit or Born of God your abode is lake of fire.

God bless you!

God bless you too

DappaD:
Okay. Verse 3 said MANKIND, fleshly humans(Genesis 5:2) and not spirits.
So at Exodus 25:8, where was God when he said
“I will reside among them” ?
Heaven or earth?

FLESHLY HUMANS is your insertion not from that verse... liar!

Many translations used PEOPLE

No wonder I do say you people lack simple comprehension.

What was God's demanded from them?

He said they should BUILD HIM A HOLY SANCTUARY before He(God) can live with them.

But in Revelation God's HOME that is His abode is with PEOPLE.

So where in Revelation 7:9-17, did the Bible say the great multitude have the seal of God?

And the seal of God that makes them become a spirit being bah

A big lol I swear! I thought it's you people that claimed Jesus rose with a fleshly body ?
Why the sudden change of heart?
After all that's the topic of this thread. When JWs were quoting 1Corinthians 15:42-44, your brain go vacation shey?

Your brain is actually on sleeping mode.

In resurrection there is only one thing that happened "sowed in NATURAL BODY and RAISES A SPIRITUAL BODY"

Jesus rose with a GLORIFIED BODY which is SPIRITUAL.

Thank God you've finally agreed that Jesus rose with a spirit body and that's how far we'll go

Where did I agree or say Jesus rose with a SPIRIT BODY?

Those who are flesh like Adam don't need any rebirth, all they need is salvation after forgiveness, it's those who are going to rule with Jesus in heaven that need a spiritual rebirth.
The scriptures never said those who aren't born again will be destroyed!
Jesus made it clear that his own work is to gather only the lost sheep of the house of Israel {Matthew 10:6, 15:24} so most of his words were directed to this little flock {Luke 12:32} their earthly subjects are the other sheep this unlimited number aren't of the fold Jesus primarily came to gather! John 10:16

So when talking about those born of spirit we know this ones need such rebirth to be able to go and reside in heaven, but our own promise from God remains everlasting life on earth in the flesh just as God had in mind for Adam and all his descendants from the beginning Psalms 37:29, 115:16; Matthew 5:5

Thanks Sir!

Emusan:
But Adam was not BORN OF GOD.

For existing human being to be BORN OF GOD OR SPIRIT is called BORN AGAIN which is not by going into woman's womb but REBIRTH by God.

This point solidly reiterated in John 1:12-13

12 But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God. 13 They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God. NLV

In fact these two verses are enough to show any open-minded person to see the fraud that NOT ALL BELIEVERS are BORN AGAIN.

If people BORN OF SPIRIT are GIVING NEW BIRTH by the Spirit.

The point is who is THE FLESH that is giving NEW BIRTH OF FLESH to the people who will live forever on earth?



And ALL BELIEVERS are BORN AGAIN...

If you're not BORN AGAIN, Born of Spirit or Born of God your abode is lake of fire.



God bless you too

Like i said, I love your anger . Its very much needed, the more the fish struggle with the hook, the deeper it Pierce's . Keep it up .

Emusan:
So what's my concern about that?

But the human birth was as a RESULT OF SPIRIT, isn't it?

Isn't the same spirit that some people are BORN OF?

You ARE silly

The Holy Spirit gives ALL BELIEVERS the NEW BIRTH

See the idiot, so if what is born of spirit is spirit, then those people should have immediately become A SPIRIT BEINGS on earth since you agreed that their BORN OF SPIRIT happened before they died.

So going by your lying interpretation of John 3:6 Born of Spirit is Spirit means ALL BELIEVERS will become A SPIRIT BEINGS since they were are born of God.

What is born of spirit is spirit, which means immediately they were born of spirit they will become a spirit being yet your so called partiality selection are born of spirit while on earth BUT ONLY TO BECOME SPIRIT BEINGS AT RESURRECTION.

If it was immediately, Peter won't have said a New Birth into a living hope , Hope is the key word.


" by which he has granted to us his precious and very great PROMISES, so that through them [the promise] you may become partakers of the divine nature, " 2Pet 1:4


The sharing of God's nature is a " Promise " . So that Spirit form comes later .



You can rest now. Let's proceed .

There's ONLY ONE TYPE OF RESURRECTION for ALL BELIEVERS...oponu

Nobody talks about two DIFFERENT resurrection.

Pastor Emusan of Lying Chapel ministries

This means Second ressurection is only for sinners , very very wrong idea.


"Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice and come out—those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment. " John 5:28:29

This dead one RISE at the same hour , , alot of good people are among them . Does this sound like first ressurection to your dull head ?

Firstly, evidentlce from the scripture is that ALL BELIEVERS are BORN AGAIN

Secondly, scripture affirms that ALL BELIEVERS are BORN OF GOD.

Thirdly, "As many that believe Jesus EVEN THOSE BELIEVING ON HIS NAME, he gave power to become God's son not BORN of the will of flesh or man but OF GOD" This proves that ALL BELIEVERS are God's SON and BORN OF GOD who is a Spirit.

God is not a partial God.

If ALL BELIEVERS ARE BORN OF GOD
if ALL BELIEVERS ARE GOD'S SON
if ALL BELIEVERS are given power to become children of God.

On what ground will God select some people and rejected other?

So it's not a decision yet the said individuals MUST STILL PROOF FAITHFUL to God



Your brain needs service, branch any mechanic workshop for that.

Meditate on that John 3:8 you can't tell or in other words, an individual don't have a say where the wind goes. So it is with everyone born of spirit. Once again you FAIL .

Yes He was raised with human body but the glorified one which is spiritual.

Thankfully the text didn't say " Human Spiritual body "

It says Spiritual body . Just spiritual .

@living4christ has schooled you people on this before so I don't need wasting my time.

That something is spiritual doesn't mean it's not PHYSICAL. You can refresh your dull brain on that.

Spiritual is the opposite of physical . The body is not material or visible

Spiritual
" of, relating to, or consisting of spirit : not bodily or material " - Mariam Webster

Provide us with the translations of Rev 21:3-4 where HUMANS, CREATURES OF FLESH AND BLOOD appear. Liars like your father the devil.

The challenge for you is to show us from the scripture where it is written that "buried in natural human bodies and RAISED IN NATURAL HUMAN BODIES"

You couldn't see it in your demonic translation

Revelation 21:3,4

" And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: "Look! The residence of God is among human beings. He will live among them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them. " NET

That Greek word was used extensively for human beings with flesh and blood in Bible. Emusan of Lying ministries, you have alot to learn

Genesis 5:2 said God gave the name humans to Adam and Eve , are they flesh and blood ?

Improve your thinking ability

Blabbermouth:
I'm a liar? No problem. The bible did not say they will be slave of God's nature? No problem.
I see that your comment got a like and a share. It would be of help because the person will need to assist you here;

1. That which is born of Spirit is spirit
Barrister: It means they will become A spirit just like the angelic creatures

2. God is Spirit
Barrister: It means God is A spirit just like the angelic creatures

3. the words that I speak unto you, they (the words) are spirit, and they are life.
Blabbermouth: Barristter07 sir, what say ye? If we are to follow your trend of interpretation, that means every single word of Christ on earth is A spirit on its own just like the angelic creatures
Now let's take the word of Christ in John 3 for example
"Verily" - is A Spirit (1)
"Verily" - is another Spirit (2)
"i" - another Spirit (3)
"say" - another spirit (4)
"unto" - another sprit. (5)
"thee" - another spirit. (6)
ati be be lo.
You sabi how many Spirit you don create with this your erroneous interpretation?

Cc: Jozzy4, your single standard expertise is needed here.

It's not erroneous God is invisible and cannot be seen or touched physically . He is SPIRIT

Proving the point. Jesus words are not material, visible or can be touched. He now adds they are life cos they can give a person everlasting life. That which is Spirit is invisible and not material .

Thank you for confirming the point. They won't have visible material bodies, But spirit one like God and his angels, which cannot be touched or seen. Like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly, that's Jesus too , invisible and not material . , presently not only Jesus words are Spirit, he himself is a Spirit that gives life. Hence the Bible calls him a life giving Spirit.

Emusan:
There's ONLY ONE HOPE OF RESURRECTION which is sow in NATURAL HUMAN BODIES and raised in SPIRITUAL BODIES.

You can show us where it is said, raised in NATURAL HUMAN BODIES.

Nothing like spirit sons, ALL BELIEVERS are BORN OF GOD and Born again. If you're not then your home is everlasting fire.

3 I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them. 4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.” Rev 21:3-4

I didn't see where HUMAN SONS are mentioned here, can you show us?

@ highlighted ... Not Spiritual Human Bodies ? Eleya yi ma po o

Please what's the Greek word rendered people in that translation Ejor ?

YOU ARE ON A LONG THING

cc; Jozzy4