haddeylium:

*Particles of matter*

The elements that compose the dust are found in human body

Thanks for your time

Wrong.

Humans don’t turn to dust sir. You have to learn

FatherOfJesus:
Because they are at loggerhead doesn’t justify whatever opinion the Bible gives on the subject matter. This is a fallacy of appealing to ignorance. Most times, they don’t even regard what the Bible says in their loggerhead

So science CANNOT agree on one particular theory is that it? So why should we trust what science in that matter then?

Because we don’t know where the spark of life came from (even as the question is fallacious) doeesnt mean that God did it. If you assume that God did it without presenting evidence because we don’t know how it came to be, that will be a fallacy of “god of gaps”. Because we don’t know today doesn’t mean we won’t find out tomorrow

Because you don't know is viable reason to see why science fails in that respect. I can't be deceived into believing that complex cells came into existence by chance. That's where science can't match up.

The questions you asked above all are fallacious as it doesn’t address any of the points I raised. This in philosophy is called fallacy of straw man. You ended up creating another argument that is convinient for you to debate and then you starting firing at another cylinder.

Really, then? If so, the questions you also raised in the post prior to that are also fallacious too. Since that's your go-to when you've been caught in the net.

The Bible did not answer those questions, it gave magical explanations that cannot be verified. Those explanations were most likely given by archaic humans who have no idea how the universe work

Oh yes, the Bible provides answers to those questions in great detail actually. This is just a regular case of “If I can't do it, you can't do it also” . It's childish so stop. If you do not agree with the Bible's line of thought, it's fine. But you can't also force your own scientific view down my throat.

Make no mistake science is good and all but on issues that really affect the inner core of a man, science has failed miserably.

DappaD:



So science CANNOT agree on one particular theory is that it? So why should we trust what science in that matter then?



Because you don't know is viable reason to see why science fails in that respect. I can't be deceived into believing that complex cells came into existence by chance. That's where science can't match up.



Really, then? If so, the questions you also raised in the post prior to that are also fallacious too. Since that's your go-to when you've been caught in the net.



Oh yes, the Bible answers to those questions in great detail actually. This is just a regular case of “If I can't do it, you can't do it also” . It's childish so stop.

Make no mistake science is good and all but on issues that really affect the inner core of a man, science has failed miserably.

Remember what the point is?
The point is that Bible and science are direct opposite of each other.

I think you have confirmed that by yourself

Do you want to move to the next argument?

FatherOfJesus:
Remember what the point is?
The point is that Bible and science are direct opposite of each other.

I think you have confirmed that by yourself

Do you want to move to the next argument?

I said the Bible agrees with MOST of recognized and accepted scientific principles. I didn't say ALL.
Your evolution theory is not widely accepted even amongst your science professors.

DappaD:


I said the Bible agrees with MOST of recognized and accepted scientific principles. I didn't say ALL.
Your evolution theory is not widely accepted even amongst your science professors.

lol, ok list those areas where science agrees with the Bible.

DappaD:


I said the Bible agrees with MOST of recognized and accepted scientific principles. I didn't say ALL.
Your evolution theory is not widely accepted even amongst your science professors.

Yes evolution is accepted by more than 90 percent of scientist. That’s enough

FatherOfJesus:
Yes evolution is accepted by more than 90 percent of scientist. That’s enough

Forget Google stats, you can't prove those figures. In reality, that percentage is very low.

MrPRevailer:

First, you say all bad humans just die and cease to exist.
Yet, here you are arguing about a resurrection of the bad people for an eternal destruction.]

Nowhere did I say bad people will be resurrected. Read slowly.

Romans 6:23-For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.
The wages of sin is death, nothing more.
Unless you mean bad people will be given eternal life.
God's word say
Rom. 6:7: “He who has died has been acquitted from his sin.”
No further punishment for bad people after death. They have been aquinted from theirs Sins. They have no hope of being resurrected like faithful ones and those that excercise faith In Jesus' Christ

Moreover, verses like Revelation 14:9-11
Says they shall be tormented, day and night for ever and ever before the angels and the Lamb of God."
How could you wish it away from the Bible?

This is symbolic also
I'll explain if you want

FatherOfJesus:
Wrong.

Humans don’t turn to dust sir. You have to learn

Whatever man!
Decompose into particles of matter that make dust

same same

DappaD:


Forget Google stats, you can't prove those figures. In reality, that percentage is very low.

Should I disbelieve google and Wikipedia and believe you?

haddeylium:


Whatever man!
Decompose into particles of matter they make dust

same same

not same sir.

FatherOfJesus:
not same sir.

I modified it

haddeylium:


I modified it

ok, thanks now as we both agree that the only provable afterlife is biological decomposition.

If you have any other opinion kindly present with evidence

FatherOfJesus:
ok, thanks now as we both agree that the only provable afterlife is biological decomposition.

If you have any other opinion kindly present with evidence

Into the constituents matter it was made from.
Yeahh

Unless you can prove it wasn't created.
Till then, enjoy yourself

haddeylium:


Into the constituents matter it was made from.
Yeahh

Unless you can prove it wasn't created.
Till then, enjoy yourself

The burden of proof is not on me, it’s on you.

This is a Russell’s teapot analogy. I can claim that there’s a small teapot orbiting between earth and Mars that cannot be seen by any telescope and then ask as you to disprove it. Does that make sense?

Seems a lot of you do not know how logic works

FatherOfJesus:
lol, ok list those areas where science agrees with the Bible.

Remember I said the Bible defines things in layman terms so that the reader can quickly grasp the meaning? If so, then fine.

1. Before telescopes and spaceships were invented, some 3,500 years ago, the Bible book of Job in chapter 26 and verse 7 said that “[God] is suspending the earth upon nothing”
This is really interesting because during that time, many theories and legends were developed regarding the earth. Some myths stated the earth was carried by an elephant which stood on turtles and the likes.
Now remember how Job 26:7 in the Bible put it? It said “[God] is suspending the earth upon nothing”.
Though, we through science today know that there are centrifugal and gravitational force acting on the earth. For the reason we can't see those forces, the Bible agrees with this view in layman terms that the earth is truly suspended on unseen forces.


2. The Bible book of Isaiah 40:22 says that “[God] dwells above the circle/sphere of the earth”. When this was written, there were different ideologies on the shape of the earth but the Bible has proved now that it agrees with natural and modern Science.

3. Careful examination of Ecclesiastes 1:7 and Isaiah 55:10-11 shows that the Bible agrees with the modern day theory of evaporation and water cycles.

FatherOfJesus:
Should I disbelieve google and Wikipedia and believe you?

No no no
Like you said earlier, it's not about what may seem superficial on the surface right? It should actually explain the origin of man which the evolution theory hasn't been able to do.

FatherOfJesus:
The burden of proof is not on me, it’s on you.

This is a Russell’s teapot analogy. I can claim that there’s a small teapot orbiting between earth and Mars that cannot be seen by any telescope and then ask as you to disprove it. Does that make sense?

Seems a lot of you do not know how logic works

Good!
You have no proof that life wasn't created right'?

I find a working telescope in a deserted island and show and tells you that it wasn't made. It just formed itself.
With this energy you're emitting, you'll believe me .
I know right

DappaD:


Remember I said the Bible defines things in layman terms so that the reader can quickly grasp the meaning? If so, then fine.

1. Before telescopes and spaceships were invented, some 3,500 years ago, the Bible book of Job in chapter 26 and verse 7 said that “[God] is suspending the earth upon nothing”
This is really interesting because during that time, many theories and legends were developed regarding the earth. Some myths stated the earth was carried by an elephant such stood on turtles and the likes.
Now remember how Job 26:7 in the Bible put it? It said “[God] is suspending the earth upon nothing”.
Though, we through science today know that there are centrifugal and gravitational force acting on the earth. For the reason we can't see those forces, the Bible agrees with this view in layman terms that the earth is truly suspended on unseen forces.


2. The Bible book of Isaiah 40:22 says that “[God] dwells above the circle/sphere of the earth”. When this was written, there were different ideologies on the shape of the earth but the Bible has proved now that it agrees with natural and modern Science.

3. Careful examination of Ecclesiastes 1:7 and Isaiah 55:10-11 shows that the Bible agrees with the modern day theory of evaporation and eater cycles.

1. But the Bible also said in the book of Genesis chapter 1 vs 1-6 that the earth was built on a firmament. Please don’t change the definition of firmament.
Seems like the Bible contradicts itself.

1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”
Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”
Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”
Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”


Let’s start from number one.

haddeylium:


Good!
You have no proof that life wasn't created right'?

I find a working telescope in a deserted island and show and tells you that it wasn't made. It just formed itself.
With this energy you're emitting, you'll believe me .
I know right

Can you just agree that you can’t prove afterlife?

The burden of prove is on you. Don’t shift it

DappaD:


Remember I said the Bible defines things in layman terms so that the reader can quickly grasp the meaning? If so, then fine.

1. Before telescopes and spaceships were invented, some 3,500 years ago, the Bible book of Job in chapter 26 and verse 7 said that “[God] is suspending the earth upon nothing”
This is really interesting because during that time, many theories and legends were developed regarding the earth. Some myths stated the earth was carried by an elephant which stood on turtles and the likes.
Now remember how Job 26:7 in the Bible put it? It said “[God] is suspending the earth upon nothing”.
Though, we through science today know that there are centrifugal and gravitational force acting on the earth. For the reason we can't see those forces, the Bible agrees with this view in layman terms that the earth is truly suspended on unseen forces.


2. The Bible book of Isaiah 40:22 says that “[God] dwells above the circle/sphere of the earth”. When this was written, there were different ideologies on the shape of the earth but the Bible has proved now that it agrees with natural and modern Science.

3. Careful examination of Ecclesiastes 1:7 and Isaiah 55:10-11 shows that the Bible agrees with the modern day theory of evaporation and water cycles.

3. How can evaporation even work on a fixed earth?


Do you know science at all?

FatherOfJesus:

1. But the Bible also said in the book of Genesis chapter 1 vs 1-6 that the earth was built on a firmament. Please don’t change the definition of firmament.
Seems like the Bible contradicts itself.

Actual Hebrew word rendered there is ‘raqia’ which means ‘expanse’. That is, a division between the two waters. Some were suspended in the sky in form of clouds and rain. The remaining on the earth in forms of lakes, seas, oceans etc
Genesis 1:6-8

1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”
Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”
Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”
Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”
Let’s start from number one.

I'm only going to highlight Psalm 104:5 because the word “foundation” is what is confusing you.

The earth in that Bible verse was compared to a building.(compare Hebrews 3:4)
Like I said, the Bible defines things in ways the layman can understand.

Just like the foundation holds a literal building in place is the same way those unseen forces that govern the universe hold the earth in place so that it will not move away from its designated area in which it's meant to revolve. The passage is not saying the earth is immobile neither is it talking about the relative motion of the earth and the sun. Rather, Psalm 104:5 uses metrical language to relate to readers, the permanence of the earth forever.(compare Ecclesiastes 1:4)

FatherOfJesus:


3. How can evaporation even work on a fixed earth?


Do you know science at all?

Refer to the post above this.
Remember that you are a science professor but I'm well-versed in the Bible so you can't breach my area and begin to explain the Bible to me. I'm the one to do that for you.

FatherOfJesus:
Can you just agree that you can’t prove afterlife?

The burden of prove is on you. Don’t shift it

it's common sense

If you won't agree with me that the telescope is formed by accident,that it need a creator.
Much more a Human ?
Are you saying this marvelous design isn't work of intelligent being?

It's obvious you've not investigate evolution well, you just accepted it as the alternate option of not believing in God. That's so gullible, How does that makes you different from other religionists?

haddeylium:


it's common sense

If you won't agree with me that the telescope is formed by accident,that it need a creator.
Much more a Human ?
Are you saying this marvelous design isn't work of intelligent being?

It's obvious you've not investigate evolution well, you just accepted it as the alternate option of not believing in God. That's so gullible, How does that makes you different from other religionists?

thats not evidence.

Lol I have not investigated evolution? Lol

Dude I’m an evolutionary biologist and if you want us to talk about evolution then be my guest.

The onus is on you to provide evidence. A testable one not all the lies you have spewing

DappaD:


Refer to the post above this.
Remember that you are a science professor but I'm well-versed in the Bible so you can't breach my area and begin to explain the Bible to me. I'm the one to do that for you.

I have posted verses where the Bible said the earth is fixed.

Explain those verses to me

FatherOfJesus:
thats not evidence.

Lol I have not investigated evolution? Lol

Dude I’m an evolutionary biologist and if you want us to talk about evolution then be my guest.

The onus is on you to provide evidence. A testable one not all the lies you have spewing

Lol.
I discuss with folks of different study.

start with..
Simply
The telescope can be formed by accident?... Agree?

DappaD:


Actual Hebrew word rendered there is ‘raqia’ which means ‘expanse’. That is, a division between the two waters. Some were suspended in the sky in form of clouds and rain. The remaining on the earth in forms of lakes, seas, oceans etc
Genesis 1:6-8



I'm only going to highlight Psalm 104:5 because the word “foundation” is what is confusing you.

The earth in that Bible verse was compared to a building.(compare Hebrews 3:4)
Like I said, the Bible defines things in ways the layman can understand.

Just like the foundation holds a literal building in place is the same way those unseen forces that govern the universe hold the earth in place so that it will not move away from its designated area in which it's meant to revolve. The passage is not saying the earth is immobile neither is it talking about the relative motion of the earth and the sun. Rather, Psalm 104:5 uses metrical language is relate to readers, the permanence of the earth forever.(compare Ecclesiastes 1:4)

The word foundation cannot confuse me, it’s an English word with a clear meaning.

All you’re explanation gives the impression that the Bible was poorly translated into English language

haddeylium:

Lol.
I discuss with folks of different study.

start with..
Simply
The telescope can be formed by accident?... Agree?

it is not known who first invented a telescope but it first primary telescope was patented by Hans Lippershey in 1608 and it was not discovered by mistake.

I don’t know where you get your information from.

Just provide prove after afterlife and stop maneuvering everything

FatherOfJesus:
I have posted verses where the Bible said the earth is fixed.

Explain those verses to me

Already did. The Bible writers aren't saying that the earth is immobile. They were stressing the point that the earth will never be destroyed.

For example, in the Bible, God usually swore using the words: “As long as I live”. It does not mean that God will die but that he's giving us assurance that whatever he says will come true. It's the same in this case.

Back to the earth issue, does the earth rotate and revolve around the sun in a haphazardly manner or in a regular, organized pattern? Are you aware that if the earth is located in a habitable zone that if it should move out of that place, radiation will deal with us?
That's when you'll truly understand what is meant by “FIXED”.

haddeylium:

Lol.
I discuss with folks of different study.

start with..
Simply
The telescope can be formed by accident?... Agree?

It seems you have issue differentiating a “microscope” from a “Telescope “.

Can you kindly verify every of your info?

FatherOfJesus:
The word foundation cannot confuse me, it’s an English word with a clear meaning.
All you’re explanation gives the impression that the Bible was poorly translated into English language

I'm not giving any impression. You asked me to explain which I did. Now if that doesn't do it for you, then fine. But know that when it comes to the Bible, you can not tell me what is what and which is which.