DappaD:
Of course, the only two scriptures which hellfire propagators know in the entire Bible and they will do their best to miscontrue.



Remember that when Jesus was telling this parable, his audience had in mind a location that was familiar to them where rubbish was burned—Gehenna, located outside Jerusalem. So in their minds, what will they throw into Gehenna? Living or dead bodies?


Does MrPrevailer agree that the parable of the rich man and Lazarus is meant to be understood LITERALLY while the other parables be understood SYMBOLICALLY?

No, he was preaching the kingdom of God to them, not the balooney you are trying to makeup.

So you are insinuating that Abraham's bosom and Paradise are symbolic and not literal places?

Bacteriologist:


Lol I am following the conversation although I try to avoid evolution conversations with theists.

It's a pity when they think evolution is an atheist thing when several religious people now accept the evolution theory.

It just shows a lack of knowledge of physical laws and basic biology, when a person cannot grasp the simple concept of evolution. Maybe they should give us their explanation of why drug resistance and vaccination shots exist then.

Thicker than a wall, I’m here to school him.

Dude said variation can’t lead to evolution


I’m screenshooting all his stuppid comments and to project it in our class tomorrow.

That’s what you get when you try to learn evolution from the Bible

Bacteriologist:


What has that got to do with the big bang? or anything I have discussed so far?

Can a spaceship form itself ?

FatherOFJesus2:
Thicker than a wall, I’m here to school him.

Dude said variation can’t lead to evolution


I’m screenshooting all his stuppid comments and to project it in our class tomorrow.

That’s what you get when you try to learn evolution from the Bible

Haha seems like you're just having fun talking with the bloke.

Variation can't lead to evolution ke..lol..maybe he should publish his hypothesis in a journal for peer review and win a Nobel prize for debunking evolution then

haddeylium:

Can a spaceship form itself ?

No. And what has that got to do with intelligent design?

Bacteriologist:


Haha seems like you're just having fun talking with the bloke.

Variation can't lead to evolution ke..lol..maybe he should publish his hypothesis in a journal for peer review and win a Nobel prize for debunking evolution then

ofcourse we have to come here once in a while to have fun.

A today I got an evolutionary pastor who said variations and mutations cannot lead to evolution

FatherOFJesus2:
yes, crossing of chromosomes during meiosis.

But the argument was to establish variation that prompts evolution

Still two completely different concepts sir;
but it's all good sir.

haddeylium:


Can a spaceship form itself ?

can we continue

Let’s talk about fossil records as evidence for evolution.

Do you know anything about radiometric dating? Which gives the age of rocks and fossils?

FatherOFJesus2:
ofcourse we have to come here once in a while to have fun.

A today I got an evolutionary pastor who said variations and mutations cannot lead to evolution

haha...sounds like we need a diary for most iconic stupid statements from christians and muslims on nairaland.

jamesid29:

Still two completely different concepts sir;
but it's all good.

i beg to disagree.
Crossing over is the exchange of genetic material between non-sister chromatids of homologous chromosomes during meiosis, which results in new allelic combinations in the daughter cells.
Which is the only recombination that lead to different genetic features in sibling.
Unless you are talking about formation of diploid chromosomes of the two donated pair of 23 chromosomes from each parent’s gametes.
If you have any other concept, I will be glad to learn something new. I can’t know it all

Bacteriologist:


No. And what has that got to do with intelligent design?

Good!
If a spaceship requires a maker and can't occur by accident.

Are you saying life is not a product of an intelligent designs?

FatherOFJesus2:
can we continue

Let’s talk about fossil records as evidence for evolution.

Do you know anything about radiometric dating? Which gives the age of rocks and fossils?

Evolution- It's process that produce New species

Variation changes occur in a species. Variation haven't produce a new species before.

if you have evidence of this .
let's see?

FatherOFJesus2:
ofcourse we have to come here once in a while to have fun.

A today I got an evolutionary pastor who said variations and mutations cannot lead to evolution

What's the evidence that the two process produce New species.

I can only observe it in a specie
Don't be this gullible

MrPRevailer:


No, he was preaching the kingdom of God to them, not the balooney you are trying to makeup.

So you are insinuating that Abraham's bosom and Paradise are symbolic and not literal places?

Luke 16:30:
“But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to these.’”

So that means in your hellfire, they use to teach people Law of Moses? Or is Moses in hellfire?

haddeylium:


Evolution- It's process that produce New species

Variation changes occur in a species. Variation haven't produce a new species before.

if you have evidence of this .
let's see?

Evolution is not the production of new specie. Evolutionary pastor.

Evolution can happen even within a specie.

How do I teach you?

haddeylium:


What's the evidence that the two process produce New species.

I can only observe it in a specie
Don't be this gullible

The guy is just arguing fruitlessly nah. Where was he during the 1940's to 1980's when specially trained scientists worldwide embarked on a project to prove that micro-mutations led to evolution? Their experiments after 100 years have all resulted in failure on a grand scale. Because if humans with working brains can't produce new species through inducing mutations after several experiments, then why would anyone in their right minds believe that some uncontrolled unintelligent process took place to produce complex cells and entirely new species?

haddeylium:


What's the evidence that the two process produce New species.

I can only observe it in a specie
Don't be this gullible

You can only observe it in a specie because you are methuselah

It doesn’t happen like the ascension of Jesus. It takes millions of years and we have the evidence of this.

FatherOFJesus2:
i beg to disagree.
Crossing over is the exchange of genetic material between non-sister chromatids of homologous chromosomes during meiosis, which results in new allelic combinations in the daughter cells.
Which is the only recombination that lead to different genetic features in sibling.
Unless you are talking about recombination of the two donated pair of 23 chromosomes from each parents.
If you have any other concept, I will be glad to learn something new. I can’t know it all

I was talking about mutation and genetic recombination. They two completely different concepts.
You can't interswitch them and say you were trying to make a case for variation that leads to evolution. They are two completely different concepts that play two completely different roles sir and it struck me as odd that you would make such call since you said you were a biologist.
That was my point sir.

DappaD:


The guy is just arguing fruitlessly nah. Where was he during the 1940's to 1980's when specially trained scientists worldwide embarked on a project to prove that micro-mutations led to evolution? Their experiments after 100 years have all resulted in failure on a grand scale. Because if humans with working brains can't produce new species through inducing mutations after several experiments, then why would anyone in their right minds believe that some uncontrolled unintelligent process took place to produce complex cells and entirely new species?

you won case is serious because you don’t even know what mutations are

Now you are digging up research done in 1980

No wonder you also believe in talking snakes and the ribs nonsense

FatherOFJesus2:
can we continue

Let’s talk about fossil records as evidence for evolution.

Do you know anything about radiometric dating? Which gives the age of rocks and fossils?

Fossil records actually disagree with the different variation of the evolution theory.

haddeylium:


Good!
If a spaceship requires a maker and can't occur by accident.

Are you saying life is not a product of an intelligent designs?

No, I am saying we don't know where life came from..YET.

And I thought I just debunked an "INTELLIGENT " designer few posts ago. Don't make me think I'm wasting my time talking with a blockhead. No offense meant.

Back to the discussion;

You need to take a long hard look at the possibilities.

Life on earth:

1. Could have been created by a supernatural force (albeit unintelligently)

2. Could have come from other planets (another life form visiting earth sometime ago)

3. Could have formed from completely natural processes (chemistry and biochemistry)

4. Could have always existed..


These are the possibilities I can think of atm. Tell me how you ruled out all the other possibilities and accepted option 1 to be the correct one. And how you arrived at your particular god being that supernatural force.

jamesid29:

I was talking about mutation and genetic recombination. They two completely different concepts.
You can't interswitch them and say you were trying to make a case for variation that leads to evolution. They are two completely different concepts that play two completely different roles sir and it struck me as odd that you would make such call since you said you were a biologist.
That was my point sir.

I never interswitched them. You are the person who wasn’t getting the point.

Mutations is not the reason why you don’t look exactly like your sibling, it’s because of gene recombination during moietic division.
The point I was trying to make that genetic recombination leads to variation which then contribute to evolution alongside heritable mutations.

If we all look like our sibling, we cannot adapt hence evolution will not happen. That was my point

DappaD:


Fossil records actually disagree with the different variation of the evolution theory.

how?

I want to learn

haddeylium:


Good!
If a spaceship requires a maker and can't occur by accident.

And I say a spaceship requires a maker because every other spaceship I have seen was naturally designed. i.e I have evidence that spaceships are designed.

My reason for the response was due to a reasoning based on induction.

How did you conclude that life necessarily requires a supernatural maker?

jamesid29:

I was talking about mutation and genetic recombination. They two completely different concepts.
You can't interswitch them and say you were trying to make a case for variation that leads to evolution. They are two completely different concepts that play two completely different roles sir and it struck me as odd that you would make such call since you said you were a biologist.
That was my point sir.

As a matter of fact, recombinations and heritable mutations are the key facto for variation.

Without those two, evolution wouldn’t be possible. Without them, we won’t be here debating today.

Hope you now get what I was driving at? Just that they other guy was too slow to figure it

FatherOFJesus2:
You can only observe it in a specie because you are methuselah

It doesn’t happen like the ascension of Jesus. It takes millions of years and we have the evidence of this.

So, one species can evolve into a completely new kind of creature right?

Bacteriologist:


And I say a spaceship requires a maker because every other spaceship I have seen was naturally designed. i.e I have evidence that spaceships are designed.

My reason for the response was due to a reasoning based on induction.

How did you conclude that life necessarily requires a supernatural maker?

which one is most complex
Cell or Spaceship?

haddeylium:


So, one species can evolve into a completely new kind of creature right?

One species does not "turn into" another or several other species -- not in an instant, anyway. The evolutionary process of speciation is how one population of a species changes over time to the point where that population is distinct and can no longer interbreed with the "parent" population.

FatherOFJesus2:
I never interswitched them. You are the person who wasn’t getting the point.

Mutations is not the reason why you don’t look exactly like your sibling, it’s because of gene recombination during moietic division.
The point I was trying to make that genetic recombination leads to variation which then contribute to evolution alongside heritable mutations.

If we all look like our sibling, we cannot adapt hence evolution will not happen. That was my point

This was your exact statement sir

FatherOfJesus:

Mutation is always happening, it always results in a new genetic orientation. Mutation is one reason why you will never look exactly like you sibling or have exactly same genetic makeup even as you have same parents.

I'm not trying to do a "got you moment" so we don't really need to keep going back and forth on the matter.
We all make mistakes; I just didn't think it's one a biologist would make and that's what stuck out. If you hadn't said you were a biologist, I wouldn't have even commented at all.

FatherOFJesus2:
One species does not "turn into" another or several other species -- not in an instant, anyway. The evolutionary process of speciation is how one population of a species changes over time to the point where that population is distinct and can no longer interbreed with the "parent" population.

This is what Hollywood is feeding you

and it happens once in a million year

jamesid29:

This was your exact statement sir

I'm not trying to do a "got you moment" so we don't really need to keep going back and forth on the matter.
We all make mistakes; I just didn't think it's one a biologist would make and that's what stuck out. If you hadn't said you were a biologist, I wouldn't have even commented at all.

well, I apologize. That must have been a mistake.

But I know recombination is the reason why we don’t look like our sibling.
My mistake

haddeylium:


This is what Hollywood is feeding you

and it happens once in a million year

nope, that’s fact. Fossil record holds that evidence

There’s evidence that we didn’t come from ribs and dirt 6000years Ago