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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by ABULARdotCOM: 3:37pm On Dec 07, 2020
Balogunodua:
just leave that guy, he is confused.

No, he is not comfused, but spreading falsehood! You don't leave people like that alone.

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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Balogunodua(m): 3:38pm On Dec 07, 2020
ABULARdotCOM:


Why are you being mischievous? Where did you take the screenshot from? And why is your false representation of Sokoto calipate including parts of Yoruba land and other Middle belt minority kingdoms?

At what point in history does your false picture depict? Did you know at some point in history the Dahomey kingdom your picture excluded from Oyo Empire, was a tributary to Oyo itself? And what is parts of Kwara doing in the picture?

And can you provide documented proof of the so called "Aro confederacy" you smuggled into the picture? Thank you in advance.

The Around Confederacy were villages of 5 huts each scattered round the forest cheesy so that makes it hard for the British to wipe them out in a day.
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Balogunodua(m): 3:39pm On Dec 07, 2020
ABULARdotCOM:


No, he is not comfused, but spreading falsehood! You don't leave people like that alone.

You right...
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by TAO11(f): 3:47pm On Dec 07, 2020
Balogunodua:

Greyboy boy has been retired by TAO11 cheesy he is now a politician... grin
He is one and the same person. That’s his second account. 100%

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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by ABULARdotCOM: 3:49pm On Dec 07, 2020
Balogunodua:

The Around Confederacy were villages of 5 huts each scattered round the forest cheesy so that makes it hard for the British to wipe them out in a day.

See the stu.pid map he spreading about now. Does that look like 5 villages to you? They even had the guts to include Ijaw kingdoms in their rubbish.

Same map added north Central kingdoms to Sokoto calipate! Some people misconstrue the influence Hausa language has in the north with Sokoto calipate.

Sokoto calipate is a Fulani thing, and the spread of Hausa language in Northern Nigeria and other parts of Africa was the work of great Hausa men like Mansa Musa.

Rubbish!
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by ABULARdotCOM: 3:51pm On Dec 07, 2020
TAO11:
He is one and the same person. That’s his second account. 100%

Can you guess the age of that Greyboy (or whatever) you are arguing with?
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Balogunodua(m): 3:52pm On Dec 07, 2020
TAO11:
He is one and the same person. That’s his second account. 100%

Hahahaha cheesy
No wonder he was lamenting that greyboy got banned grin

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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Nobody: 3:56pm On Dec 07, 2020
TAO11:
[face palms] I HAVE DONE EXACTLY THAT.

The only thing you have to do is read. [I know the word “read” scares the soul out of you] cheesy

Here is the link to the comment AGAIN:

https://www.nairaland.com/6291440/benin-remain-center-west-africa/4#96807302

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I’m suspecting that your “dullardism” is follow-come.
grin grin grin Reading to catch up but this got me. grin

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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Newton85: 3:56pm On Dec 07, 2020
TAO11:
He is one and the same person. That’s his second account. 100%

I don't know if you're on Facebook, but if you're, you need to check one of the Ogiamiens named Igbinazaka Ogiesuyi. He's given the Benin revisionists and Ekaladerhan people sleepless nights.

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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Balogunodua(m): 3:57pm On Dec 07, 2020
ABULARdotCOM:


See the stu.pid map he spreading about now. Does that look like 5 villages to you? They even had the guts to include Ijaw kingdoms in their rubbish.

Same map added north Central kingdoms to Sokoto calipate! Some people misconstrue the influence Hausa language has in the north with Sokoto calipate.

Sokoto calipate is a Fulani thing, and the spread of Hausa language in Northern Nigeria and other parts of Africa was the work of great Hausa men like Mansa Musa.

Rubbish!
Mansa Musa an hausa man?this is a new one... cheesy
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Nobody: 3:58pm On Dec 07, 2020
DenreleDave:



Tao11 has been wiping your Ass grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
He was like "how could a female be this mean?" grin

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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by TAO11(f): 4:28pm On Dec 07, 2020
Newton85:
I don't know if you're on Facebook, but if you're, you need to check one of the Ogiamiens named Igbinazaka Ogiesuyi. He's given the Benin revisionists and Ekaladerhan people sleepless nights.
Those guys are really giving the dull Bini 1970-revisionists a hard time.

I’ve seen some of their YouTube videos. I like how they’ve refused to be bought over and how they have proven to be true sons of the soil.

But the only area where I disagree with them is their persistence that the Oba people should leave and return back home to Ife.

I mean, that would be really hard. No wonder the Oba people have been insisting otherwise. grin

I will also check out the Facebook video you recommended. Thanks!

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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by TAO11(f): 4:39pm On Dec 07, 2020
ABULARdotCOM:
Can you guess the age of that Greyboy (or whatever) you are arguing with?
Well, considering how they reason (and how they conduct themselves generally) they must be teenagers — so, somewhere between the ages of 13 and 19 is my best guess.

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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Nobody: 4:53pm On Dec 07, 2020
TAO11:
Well, considering how they reason (and how they conduct themselves generally) they must be teenagers — so, somewhere between the ages of 13 and 19 is my best guess.
No, no grin grin
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Nobody: 4:53pm On Dec 07, 2020
TAO11:
Well, considering how they reason (and how they conduct themselves generally) they must be teenagers — so, somewhere between the ages of 13 and 19 is my best guess.
No, no, Tao11 pls stop this. How could you guess 13 for a whole papa Gregyboy(edeyoung)? I think he is just an adult with unevolved brain. grin

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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Abovebonny3: 4:56pm On Dec 07, 2020
ABULARdotCOM:


Why are you being mischievous? Where did you take the screenshot from? And why is your false representation of Sokoto calipate including parts of Yoruba land and other Middle belt minority kingdoms?

At what point in history does your false picture depict? Did you know at some point in history the Dahomey kingdom your picture excluded from Oyo Empire, was a tributary to Oyo itself? And what is parts of Kwara doing in the picture?

And can you provide documented proof of the so called "Aro confederacy" you smuggled into the picture? Thank you in advance.

The map is actually rather accurate as it represents the political state of Africa in 1880, I just focused on West Africa.

Dahomey Revolt 1823: the Oyo army sent by Oba Alaafin Majotu was categorically wiped out by the forces of King Gezo of Dahomey, thus ending Oyo's hegemony in the region. [/b]Alpern, S., 1998. Amazons Of Black Sparta. 2nd ed. [Place of publication not identified]: C. Hurst & Co., p.166.[b]
Therefore by 1880 Dahomey had not been a province of the Oyo kingdom for 57 years.

Kwara was formally part of the Oyo kingdom, until General Afonja rebelled and with the help of the Fulani's and local Muslim populations formed the Ilorin Emirate. Upon its formation power switched to Emir Abdusalami dan Salih Alimi -a Fulani- who's reign saw the IIorin Emirate become a vassal of the Sokoto Caliphate. [/b]Lovejoy, P., 2004. Slavery On The Frontiers Of Islam. 2nd ed. Princeton: Markus Wiener Publishers, p.55.[b]
The vassal state of IIorin continued to expand in the 1830's until it was halted at Ibadan where its borders remained relatively the same until 1897 when it was annexed by the Royal Niger Company.

Aro-Chukwu which lasted from 1690 - 1902 had the largest monopoly on trade (mostly slaves) within eastern/southern Nigeran and parts of west Cameroon. Please note that this was a "confederation" not an empire or kingdom so don't get confused. The map simply shows the area under the influence of the Aro-Chukwu trade monopoly. [/b]Chidume, Chukwudi & Nmaju, U. (2019). The Aro Hegemony: Dissecting The Myth And Reality. 8. 76-87. 10.33281/JTHS20129.2019.1.6.[b]

The map below is the full unedited version.

Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Newton85: 4:59pm On Dec 07, 2020
TAO11:
Those guys are really giving the dull Bini 1970-revisionists a hard time.

I’ve seen some of their YouTube videos. I like how they’ve refused to be bought over and how they have proven to be a true son of the soil.

But the only are where I disagree with them is their insistence that the Oba people should leave and return back home to Ife.

I mean, that would be really hard. No wonder the Oba people have been insisting otherwise. grin

I will also check out the Facebook video you recommended. Thanks!
I'm not talking about Facebook videos though. I'm talking about his Facebook posts.

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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by TAO11(f): 5:01pm On Dec 07, 2020
Newton85:
I'm not talking about Facebook videos though. I'm talking about his Facebook posts.
Oh okay! My bad. Got it now.

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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Etinosa12345: 5:02pm On Dec 07, 2020
Newton85:
[s]Shut the Bleep up, you dimwitted sub-slowpoke! Ekiopagha treaty is about Oba of Benin (the foreigner) paying rent to the Ogiamien, the real owners of Igodomigodo and descendants of the Ogisos. Your Oba is not a descendant of the Ogisos. If he were, "Ogie" would be his title, not Oba. If he were, his praise names wouldn't include "Ikeji Orisha" or "Ovbi Adimula." And no where did I claim that the Ogiamiens were "superior" to the Oba of Benin, you lying clown! I only claimed they are the real descendants of the Ogisos, and that's a fact. Still waiting for you to tell me what the Ekiopagha treaty is all about though.[/s]
Tears, tears and more tears...

If the Ogiamen really leased a land to the Oba, why isn't he brave to show us the boundary of the land leased? Because its a lie

Ikeji orisha don't mean anything in Benin and I don't expect Benin chiefs to speak a word as praise especially when they don't know the meaning

Lastly the Ogiamen are not the descendants of Ogiso...

Keep bringing ur tears... U have not even been able to answer a single question and u allow someone that doesn't even rule his area in sakponba road to be deceiving u

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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Balogunodua(m): 5:09pm On Dec 07, 2020
Abovebonny3:


The map is actually rather accurate as it represents the political state of Africa in 1880, I just focused on West Africa.

[s]Dahomey Revolt 1823: the Oyo army sent by Oba Alaafin Majotu was categorically wiped out by the forces of King Gezo of Dahomey, thus ending Oyo's hegemony in the region. [b][/b]Alpern, S., 1998. Amazons Of Black Sparta. 2nd ed. [Place of publication not identified]: C. Hurst & Co., p.166.[b][/b][/s]
Therefore by 1880 Dahomey had not been a province of the Oyo kingdom for 57 years.

Kwara was formally part of the Oyo kingdom, until General Afonja rebelled and with the help of the Fulani's and local Muslim populations formed the Ilorin Emirate. Upon its formation power switched to Emir Abdusalami dan Salih Alimi -a Fulani- who's reign saw the IIorin Emirate become a vassal of the Sokoto Caliphate. [/b]Lovejoy, P., 2004. Slavery On The Frontiers Of Islam. 2nd ed. Princeton: Markus Wiener Publishers, p.55.[b]
The vassal state of IIorin continued to expand in the 1830's until it was halted at Ibadan where its borders remained relatively the same until 1897 when it was annexed by the Royal Niger Company.

Aro-Chukwu which lasted from 1690 - 1902 had the largest monopoly on trade (mostly slaves) within eastern/southern Nigeran and parts of west Cameroon. Please note that this was a "confederation" not an empire or kingdom so don't get confused. The map simply shows the area under the influence of the Aro-Chukwu trade monopoly. [/b]Chidume, Chukwudi & Nmaju, U. (2019). The Aro Hegemony: Dissecting The Myth And Reality. 8. 76-87. 10.33281/JTHS20129.2019.1.6.[b]

The map below is the full unedited version.


I disagree....

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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Newton85: 5:12pm On Dec 07, 2020
Etinosa12345:

Tears, tears and more tears...

If the Ogiamen really leased a land to the Oba, why isn't he brave to show us the boundary of the land leased? Because its a lie

Ikeji orisha don't mean anything in Benin and I don't expect Benin chiefs to speak a word as praise especially when they don't know the meaning

Lastly the Ogiamen are not the descendants of Ogiso...

Keep bringing ur tears... U have not even been able to answer a single question and u allow someone that doesn't even rule his area in sakponba road to be deceiving u

Yeah, "tears tears tears" indeed, yet you're the one reporting me to your to your Nairaland bosses like a lily-livered coward. The irony. Ikeji Orisha doesn't mean anything in Benin, same way Oba doesn't mean anything in Benin, "Ikeji Orisha" is part of the praise names of your Oba, same way Oba is also your King's title. It's also the same way Yoruba deities like Ogun, Osun, Shango, Eshu, Olokun don't mean anything in Benin yet they're worshipped by your people. Bloody coward.

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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Etinosa12345: 5:12pm On Dec 07, 2020
In order News, even the Ogiamen family have come out to dissociate demselves from the clown who spins the nonsense u are spewing here...

So.its someone that can't even convince his family that u believe to be saying the truth

Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Etinosa12345: 5:14pm On Dec 07, 2020
Newton85:


Yeah, "tears tears tears" indeed, yet you're the one reporting me to your to your Nairaland bosses like a lily-livered coward. The irony. Ikeji Orisha doesn't mean anything in Benin, same way Oba doesn't mean anything in Benin, "Ikeji Orisha" is part of the praise names of your Oba, same way Oba is also your King's title. It's also the same way Yoruba deities like Ogun, Osun, Shango, Eshu, Olokun don't mean anything in Benin yet they're worshipped by your people. Bloody coward.

Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Edeyoung: 5:17pm On Dec 07, 2020
Abovebonny:


I am not "black" I am mixed race of Igbo & English heritage.

I don't know why you people love to over exaggerate Benin's scope of influence.
Perhaps a small minority of independent Igbo villages west of the Niger paid tribute to the Oba's its likely, but the Igbos were not a united entity.
Talk case specific and stop saying Benin ruled everyone and their ancestors abeg angry
Next you will tell us that the ancient Egyptians also paid tribute...

What Benin Empire?!?!?
It was a kingdom get a grip man.

lack of firepower is no excuse for lack of resistance, Benin folded in 9 days... 9 freaking days
Anglo-Xhosa wars took 100 years to finally conclude.
The Anglo-Ashanti wars lasted for 76 years, ending at the beginning of the 20th century.
The Zulus wiped out the British at Isandlwana, worst defeat by the British at the hands of an inferior foe.
Anglo-Aro war lasted 1 year & yet the majority of Igbos still resisted British conquest.
Ekumeku resistance fought the British for 31 years.

Benin had many warriors but their tactics, superstition and leadership caused their quick demise.





You're wrong now lemme explain, benin was the most recognized african kingdom known by the Europeans and most feared and respected

The Anglo - ashanti war was an attack and a counter attack, it was not a war intentionally intended by the British to surpress the ashanti as a colony, it was a battle of dispute between the British and ashanti people, it was in 1897 the British finally opted for ashanti colonialism, it was no play as usual, few months after benin fell, ashanti fell too guess what?
the mechinery leftover used in conquering benin was what was used for ashants and they fell

Who are the soldiers the British used in defeating ashanti, hausa service men recruited from northern part of nigeria, those soldiers just finsh defeating benin months later

The benin British war was the first war benin had with European and the binis were taking by surprise, it was a war for colonization and not that of dispute, the war was official the military weapons used in defeating benin was the one used in sacking ashanti,

Note : the British never undermined benin military power, they prepared for it, the British didnt even have the money for military weapons but they found away out, letter was written from the niger coast to Britain for militarily equipments to storm benin, weapons from cape coast i.e south africa were gathered to fight in benin, a British submarine ship was involved too named after ovaremwen , the military power the British used in fighting benin was far more than that of the ashanti and xhosa war

The war lasted 3 months, not 9 days, guerrilla warefare continued for extra 2yrs

When you read the anshanti-anglo war, one thing you will deduce from the war is insult by the British people on the ashanti culture which prompted those short wars those insult never occurred in benin

Note again
Just imagine some foreigners coming to insult your kingdom by taking your colony, dictating trade, boundaries for you( ashanti), the British force practically insulted the anshantis and double dare them, all the ashanti did was to react To it, by waging war most of the war they fought Couldn't or even surpress the British forces


As for the xhosa, how do you win a war and yet you were still colonize by the people you defeated if you have defeated them you should have ruled over them and colonized them instead

I repeat again the military weapon used to bring bini down is far greater than that of those two shunnis you mentioned up there, and the intentions was direct to colonize


Ibo guy go sit down darty they your eye

Gregyboy

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