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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by abragr8: 5:09am On Dec 21, 2020
Ok
Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by emae009(m): 5:14am On Dec 21, 2020
searchng4love:

Hehehe timber hahaha timber kwakwakwa.... Ordinary bush burning na im go finish that kain house

there are fire resistance coating that can be used.
This is one of the problem most construction works uses concrete and masonry blocks. The average Nigerian always imagine the worse case scenario.
How will bush burning occur in an urban environment?

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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by Gorillabrain: 5:16am On Dec 21, 2020
No. My village IS SIMCABUA IN TOGO. I'M FROM TOGO.

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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by Bluntemperor: 5:16am On Dec 21, 2020
tollyboy5:
We can't use steel for that kind of thing bro. Steel should be use for other stuff. Its a metal alloy and their component metals being excavated.
When it becomes scarce what are we going to do?

Though thats not an excuse for a failed country not to have steel industry

Bravo!
' excuse not to have STEEL INDUSTRY'
You hit the nail on the head. That is what can bring full turnaround industrialisation.
- imagine a Steel Industry in every State.
- Imagine 24/7 Light by Disco(NEPA) as they are called.Rather than NERC,GEMCO and Disco sharing money and bringing bills for darkness.
- imagine Textile industry all over Nigeria.
- imagine Rice Production industry all over Nigeria.You don't need to tell us Nigeria is on the rise to become a super power!
But what you see now is opposite.Where everyone is trying to be a Crude Oil Merchant,producing nothing,yet smiling to the bank.Youth are being tied down with Loans instead of Grants for a business take off.Universities are locked down because those in authority have no better ideas of how to move forward and the executive and Legislatures kept mute as they are not concerned. we got a long way to go.

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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by Danobb: 5:19am On Dec 21, 2020
Who told you steel is cheaper? Why spend that much money when other alternative materials can be used to accomplish the job. Most buildings collapse because of the sub standard materials used by contractor and not working to site plan. E.g you will see a contractor using 1 cement, 7 sand and 9 granite (1:7:9) for slab and columns when he should use 1:2:4 and some will use 10mm reinforcement instead of 16mm, in such situation the building will collapse. Also, quality check is not carried. There are a lot of examples and scenarios.
Aconomist:
We all know how common building collapse is in Nigeria, and this occurs because of our bad habit of building multi-storey buildings with concrete. In other parts of the world they are using steel, which is a far superior building material because it is lighter (doesn't put as much strain on the foundation) cheaper than Dangote cement, and requires less maintenance.

While steel needs to be imported, healthy demand would create a market incentive for domestic production. We need to start using creativity to solve our problem in Africa.

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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by anambraamaka: 5:19am On Dec 21, 2020
They usually use for high rise building
Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by IkpuMmadu: 5:21am On Dec 21, 2020
Advision:
I think its down to cost, steel is far more expensive to erect and subsequent modification may cost more.

Moreso, the physical properties of steel makes it an overkill for a typical bungalow or one storey apartment that litter most Nigerian town.

A lot of the high rise building are made of steel and composite materials

Intelligent

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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by emae009(m): 5:25am On Dec 21, 2020
Ikengawo:


Timber that will deforest the world can't be better for carbon emissions. What is actually funny is how big nigerian bricks are. I feel like you can make 5 normal bricks from one nigerian block and cut the cost of cement used down by more than half.
bricks and blocks have different properties. Like I said earlier they also have advantages and disadvantages.
Timber absorbs carbon dioxide thereby reducing the carbon content in the atmosphere and there are different types of timbers used in construction. It's not only the ones that the local market sells that are used

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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by lexy2014: 5:27am On Dec 21, 2020
emae009:


there are fire resistance coating that can be used.
This is one of the problem most construction works uses concrete and masonry blocks. The average Nigerian always imagine the worse case scenario.
How will bush burning occur in an urban environment?

Y won't u imagine worst case scenario? Isn't that part of risk management?

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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by lexy2014: 5:29am On Dec 21, 2020
Aconomist:
We all know how common building collapse is in Nigeria, and this occurs because of our bad habit of building multi-storey buildings with concrete. In other parts of the world they are using steel, which is a far superior building material because it is lighter (doesn't put as much strain on the foundation) cheaper than Dangote cement, and requires less maintenance.

While steel needs to be imported, healthy demand would create a market incentive for domestic production. We need to start using creativity to solve our problem in Africa.

Steel cheaper? How?
Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by Yankee101: 5:29am On Dec 21, 2020
emae009:
steel is not "far superior" than concrete. All building materials have both advantages and disadvantages.
One of the reasons has to do with the client. Sometimes before the client even request for a design, he has already purchase masonry blocks and other materials.
But then again Nigerians don't like to challenge themselves. Concrete is the default "comfort zone".
In the case of a net zero carbon emission buildings, Timber is the best alternative

You fell hundreds of tree to make timber and you call that zero carbon emissions?

Use recycled materials for true zero carbon

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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by emae009(m): 5:33am On Dec 21, 2020
anochuko01:

While timber is the best, It takes decades for a tree to grow. How then can we be able to keep up with deforestation?

With th urbanization of the world growing exponentially, the construction of net zero carbon emission building is critically important.
Let me put it this way, the trees help to remove carbon from the atmosphere so too will using timber in construction.
Deforestation is a whole different aspect entirely because whether timber is used or not in construction, the world is expanding, people are clearly unused lands for their project so Deforestation is/will still happen. Using timber in construction aids in mitigating the damage

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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by Origin(f): 5:35am On Dec 21, 2020
I have always wondered this......

Especially for lintel and pillars (does not need any concrete again).

I believe it has to do with our very conservative nature- not willing to learn or try new things...



Just look at the way we stick to toyota when there are several other good cars. Always tick to the norm or average.

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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by meobizy(f): 5:36am On Dec 21, 2020
While steel needs to be imported
If you know the reason, why ask? I don't think there is any other angle to the answer apart from maybe the lack of expertise when it comes to steel utilization. The countries which use steel also produce it. We don't have any production plants here so we'll stick to what we can easily source.
Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by AfroKnight: 5:43am On Dec 21, 2020
Op,

Steel is more expensive than reinforced concrete in terms of both cost of material and cost of labour/workmanship.

Like a couple of people have mentioned, many times buildings collapse due to inferior mixes and inferior materials. This is the fault of the contractor & client who think they are saving cost. Also, some people decide to ignore structural design and load the building any how they like to “maximise” space.

It is not the “choice” of the type of material that is the problem. It is the grade/quality of the materials and the load distribution, both which have been altered during construction.

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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by Amarisco(f): 5:45am On Dec 21, 2020
Very interesting thread
Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by Omoikarekimire(m): 5:46am On Dec 21, 2020
prinsam30:



i love this and I'm making effort to achieve this in future, most of the houses I've been to in the united States actually uses timber, even flooring, it was so adoring, amazing and confort to live in

The reason for using timber in US is because of weather over there.Wood offers one of the best protection against cold weather.Dem no born person well make im use block.when the cold arrives you go speak payan with your teeth fused with your tongue.

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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by emae009(m): 5:47am On Dec 21, 2020
lexy2014:


Y won't u imagine worst case scenario? Isn't that part of risk management?

that's like saying "why go out and hustle we can die at anytime". But everyday everybody is having one form of hustle or the other. People still die everyday.
If the timber is coated with fire resistance coating and you live with safety precautions which by nature we do anyways. What's the point of worrying.
We have fire incidents, how many times have the concrete and blocks stop the contents of the buildinga from going off in flames.
Each building materials have a certain range of heat they can withstand, once the heat is above that, they crumble. be it steel, concrete, timber, glass etc

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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by jaxxy(m): 5:48am On Dec 21, 2020
Making a whole building out of steel? For an office building it fine bt for a residence it’s not exactly ok.
Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by emae009(m): 5:51am On Dec 21, 2020
Yankee101:


You fell hundreds of tree to make timber and you call that zero carbon emissions?

Use recycled materials for true zero carbon

what are the recycled materials you are speaking of??
What properties of this materials will trap carbon atoms within themselves?
Whether we cut trees to use for timber or not, those trees will still be cut and then land used for something due to the exponential growth of urbanization. This way using timber for construction helps to reduce the damage.
All the roads being constructed, the trees that were cut to make way for that, how have we replaced them?

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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by StPete: 5:56am On Dec 21, 2020
donpata:
First things first. Concrete is still used in the West. 2ndly consider cost. Who go start b4 that demand grows and crashes prices? Also, think of comfort of occupants. Nigeria is a "hot" place. Shey nepa go dey give light for cooling? How about the cost of installing cooling components. I ain't an expert but I think in terms of stability, concrete is better. No fear of wind pushing your house, no Need to bother about creaking sounds. More so, if there's a fire, at high temp, what happens to steel? Imagine if I wanna do a little renovation or adjustment, it's easier to just break one side of block work, it's like a cut and join thing. I don't see how using steel will make it easier cos obviously, u need power. The wahala go too much abeg. Ease of getting technicians sef na something also.

Sorry to say but the only valid point you raised was about the renovation and adjustment part. None of the rest points raised is true
Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by Omoikarekimire(m): 5:57am On Dec 21, 2020
emae009:


there are fire resistance coating that can be used.
This is one of the problem most construction works uses concrete and masonry blocks. The average Nigerian always imagine the worse case scenario.
How will bush burning occur in an urban environment?


Sir/madam you better think of worse of worst scenario.You are living in an environment that is crazily unstable and spiritually charged to like 500% or more.The best is to use zero maintenance on the long run.Have seen building built with concrete that the owner's children refuse to maintain and they collected rents for years.You cannot do that if u use wood or steel.The materials would force you to do maintenance within 5 years.

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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by MrToothBrush: 5:57am On Dec 21, 2020
n3xt:
In Nigeria, when it comes to choosing the materials to construct a building, most people have cost in the forefront of their mind.

The general assumption of a rational mind is “steel construction is more expensive than the traditional brick and mortar construction.“

However, with the technological advances that have occurred in the building industry over the past decades, there are numerous alternative building solutions that not only save on cost but also allow for creative structural ideas, and innovative builds and designs that weren’t possible in the past.

One such technological advancement is prefab steel construction.

A solution for the creative minds (thinkers) and not for those with fixed mindset (the this-is-how-we-do-it guys)

but what about heat? You know Nigeria is a temprate region
Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by ElValiente(m): 5:59am On Dec 21, 2020
You wan make light shock us with our agbuefure electrician we have here. Small disconnection all of una go shine teeth out ni. Thanks I'm good with bricks grin grin grin

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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by Lordbinsmar: 6:02am On Dec 21, 2020
searchng4love:

Hehehe timber hahaha timber kwakwakwa.... Ordinary bush burning na im go finish that kain house
do you even know the meaning of a net zero carbon emission building? it has to do with a complete life cycle analysis of the building, from it's construction stage to it's demolition stage it is not habitable again. timber used for building leads to deforestation which is more harmful to the environment and leads to environmental pollution.

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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by Tobechuckwu(m): 6:10am On Dec 21, 2020
Aconomist:
We all know how common building collapse is in Nigeria, and this occurs because of our bad habit of building multi-storey buildings with concrete. In other parts of the world they are using steel, which is a far superior building material because it is lighter (doesn't put as much strain on the foundation) cheaper than Dangote cement, and requires less maintenance.

While steel needs to be imported, healthy demand would create a market incentive for domestic production. We need to start using creativity to solve our problem in Africa.
Point of correction, in Nigeria we use reinforced concrete instead of the concrete u said.
Reinforced concrete is what we all in column which pple call pillars.
Steel is too expensive for it to be used for building in Nigeria.
U have to consider d environment u are before thinking of what to use, nd steel is good for detachable houses which are not common over here.
Considering our environment, reinforced concrete is still d best option nd it's not d reason why building collapse in Nigeria. There are so many factors to consider for that

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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by emae009(m): 6:12am On Dec 21, 2020
Omoikarekimire:



Sir/madam you better think of worse of worst scenario.You are living in an environment that is crazily unstable and spiritually charged to like 500% or more.The best is to use zero maintenance on the long run.Have seen building built with concrete that the owner's children refuse to maintain and they collected rents for years.You cannot do that if u use wood or steel.The materials would force you to do maintenance within 5 years.

It's clear you don't understand. Steel will only rust when exposed to atmospheric conditions. Most steel come precoated from the factory. Besides using steel doesn't mean the interior and exterior of the building will be steel. It can be cover with whatever material you wish. so how will the steel need maintenance. When we talk about steel it's not the 10, 12, 16mm reinforcement bars. We are talking about I-section high grade steel bars.
Same goes for timber, not your normal timber they sell to you at the timer market that is not properly cured. Have you heard of CLT (Crossed Laminated Timber). There are so many types of timber used in construction. FYI a properly seasoned and cured timber can stand for decades with much damage.
You're comfortable with what you know and that's okay. But saying steel and timber needs regular maintenance is just laughable

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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by BRATISLAVA: 6:13am On Dec 21, 2020
Aconomist:
We all know how common building collapse is in Nigeria, and this occurs because of our bad habit of building multi-storey buildings with concrete. In other parts of the world they are using steel, which is a far superior building material because it is lighter (doesn't put as much strain on the foundation) cheaper than Dangote cement, and requires less maintenance.

While steel needs to be imported, healthy demand would create a market incentive for domestic production. We need to start using creativity to solve our problem in Africa.

Using steel means quality, and Nigerians aren't known for standards and quality. They just want you to take anything they bring out.

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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by emae009(m): 6:19am On Dec 21, 2020
Lordbinsmar:

do you even know the meaning of a net zero carbon emission building? it has to do with a complete life cycle analysis of the building, from it's construction stage to it's demolition stage it is not habitable again. timber used for building leads to deforestation which is more harmful to the environment and leads to environmental pollution.

You think timber leads to deforestation?
When we create roads, amusement parks, Estates, stadiums, markets, schools, hospitals etc.. what do those lead to Aforestation?

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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by BrainEya(m): 6:20am On Dec 21, 2020
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Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by lexy2014: 6:20am On Dec 21, 2020
emae009:


that's like saying "why go out and hustle we can die at anytime". But everyday everybody is having one form of hustle or the other. People still die everyday.
If the timber is coated with fire resistance coating and you live with safety precautions which by nature we do anyways. What's the point of worrying.
We have fire incidents, how many times have the concrete and blocks stop the contents of the buildinga from going off in flames.
Each building materials have a certain range of heat they can withstand, once the heat is above that, they crumble. be it steel, concrete, timber, glass etc

Pls what is risk management? Is worst case scenario not part of risk management?
Re: Why Don't Builders Use Steel In Nigeria? by Shimran(m): 6:21am On Dec 21, 2020
Aconomist:
We all know how common building collapse is in Nigeria, and this occurs because of our bad habit of building multi-storey buildings with concrete. In other parts of the world they are using steel, which is a far superior building material because it is lighter (doesn't put as much strain on the foundation) cheaper than Dangote cement, and requires less maintenance.

While steel needs to be imported, healthy demand would create a market incentive for domestic production. We need to start using creativity to solve our problem in Africa.
May I summaries it to three reason:
- Steel production is very low in the country, therefore costly.
- The community we found ourselves aren't use to it;
-Most importantly, the inability of steel structure to withstand fire accidents for a long period of time in time when compared to the concrete.
Thanks

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