I hope you know I’m as informed on all of this as you’re. These does not answer the question. Does any of this invalidates the message of Christ? Your account is just centered on what the pagan Romans did, you didn’t even mention what Christ did. This is bc you do not yet realize that. Have you truly read the Bible? Do you know it’s purely written in double entendres? Have you asked why it’s so? If you want to send a message and you need a foolish thief to take that message to the receive so you’ll write in double entendres. The thief will surely steal but he’ll only get a meaning bc of his foolishness but the receivers of the message will get another meaning. We know the romans are thieves, Rome was a group of outcast who found a way to gather themselves and they had gone around in the world, stealing and killing. They’re lunatics; this is evident in the fact that only a lunatic steals another person's history. They had done it to many people and did it also to the people of judea and Jerusalem. I’m very aware of all this even till the times of atila the Huns and I can tell you how all of it connect with Islamic uprising. My questions are: have you truly read the Bible to learn? Do you think God wasn’t aware of this? Do you think he hadn’t made preparations for all that? Do not let religion cost you an opportunity for a great realization. Look into the books and you’ll see that it’s intact even after all this nonsense the Romans have done.

Hakeem12:
Jesus Christ was a historical figure of staggering influence, perhaps the most enigmatic and inspirational leader the world has ever seen. As the prophesied Messiah, Jesus toppled kings, inspired millions, and founded new philosophies. As a descendant of the lines of King Solomon and King David, Jesus possessed a rightful claim to the throne of the King of the Jews. Understandably, His life was recorded by thousands of followers across the land.

More than eighty gospels were considered for the New Testament, and yet only a relative few were chosen for inclusion—Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John among them.

The fundamental irony of Christianity. The Bible, as we know it today, was collated by the pagan Roman emperor Constantine the Great

He was a lifelong pagan who was baptized on his deathbed, too weak to protest. In Constantine's day, Rome's official religion was sun worship—the cult of Sol Invictus, or the Invincible Sun—and Constantine was its head priest. Unfortunately for him, a growing religious turmoil was gripping Rome.

Three centuries after the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, Christ's followers had multiplied exponentially. Christians and pagans began warring, and the conflict grew to such proportions that it threatened to rend Rome in two. Constantine decided something had to be done. In 325 A.D., he decided to unify Rome under a single religion. Christianity.

Constantine was a very good businessman. He could see that Christianity was on the rise, and he simply backed the winning horse. Historians still marvel at the brilliance with which Constantine converted the sun-worshipping pagans to Christianity. By fusing pagan symbols, dates, and rituals into the growing Christian tradition, he created a kind of hybrid religion that was acceptable to both parties.

Transmogrification; The vestiges of pagan religion in Christian symbology are undeniable. Egyptian sun disks became the halos of Catholic saints. Pictograms of Isis nursing her miraculously conceived son Horus became the blueprint for our modern images of the Virgin Mary nursing Baby Jesus. And virtually all the elements of the Catholic ritual—the miter, the altar, the doxology, and communion, the act of "God-eating"—were taken directly from earlier pagan mystery religions.

Christianity honored the Jewish Sabbath of Saturday, but Constantine shifted it to coincide with the pagan's veneration day of the sun. To this day, most churchgoers attend services on Sunday morning with no idea that they are there on account of the pagan sun god's weekly tribute—Sunday.

My good sir, this is where the council of niccea comes in. At this gathering, many aspects of Christianity were debated and voted upon—the date of Easter, the role of the bishops, the administration of sacraments.

Fools always think they’re wise. This is why they remain foolish. Ignorant people always think they have knowledge this is why they’re arrogant to knowledge. What is the change? Do you think the world has changed? The world has become deluded and it’s a pity that reckless individuals like yourself have been allowed to speak enticing things to other ignorant people of your kind. The funny thing about life is when some people taste some information, they think they’ve now know the truth, not realizing their delusion in reality. There’s a change obviously but you’re blind so you can’t see it. You’re just one pawn in the game of life. Your mind has been taken over, you’ve lost yourself to the forces of the world. This is why you do not think beyond your nose. You go around thinking others are the fool but you’re exactly the person you think they’re. I hope you realize someday that you’re lost and find your way back to your source. He’s always available to receive you as long as there’s time

kkins25:
The brain is a very tricky organ, when faced with a problem- rather than burn calories which are expensive, it rather finds another delusion and perfectly incorporate it into the previous belief system to escape the dilemma or the strains of the thinking phenomena. I hope someday, the majority(where you belong) would find the strength to command their brains to accept change and bear the terrific work of thinking.

Lifepodcastng:
I hope you know I’m as informed on all of this as you’re. These does not answer the question. Does any of this invalidates the message of Christ? Your account is just centered on what the pagan Romans did, you didn’t even mention what Christ did. This is bc you do not yet realize that. Have you truly read the Bible? Do you know it’s purely written in double entendres? Have you asked why it’s so? If you want to send a message and you need a foolish thief to take that message to the receive so you’ll write in double entendres. The thief will surely steal but he’ll only get a meaning bc of his foolishness but the receivers of the message will get another meaning. We know the romans are thieves, Rome was a group of outcast who found a way to gather themselves and they had gone around in the world, stealing and killing. They’re lunatics; this is evident in the fact that only a lunatic steals another person's history. They had done it to many people and did it also to the people of judea and Jerusalem. I’m very aware of all this even till the times of atila the Huns and I can tell you how all of it connect with Islamic uprising. My questions are: have you truly read the Bible to learn? Do you think God wasn’t aware of this? Do you think he hadn’t made preparations for all that? Do not let religion cost you an opportunity for a great realization. Look into the books and you’ll see that it’s intact even after all this nonsense the Romans have done.

bro, there's nothing special about the message of Christ. I have read the bible back to back and the absurdity it contains is baffling, now let me ask you, any other religion can also claim their books are written in double entendres, proves nothing. Do you know the message of Muhammed? Every religion has a Messiah claiming a message, no prove that any of them is the way. Indoctrination will make one believe ones book holds a special message over the rest. Good night.

God is conciouseness. Not a jewish magician up in the sky or a genie that grants wishes. The universe is conciouse. We are conciouse beings in a physical body made from dust of the earth..at death, our conciouseness goes back to the universe and becomes one with it. Our body goes back to the earth and becones one with it...

The only thing the universe demands from us is to a human being. To be one with ourselves and with nature.

The universe is a unit..
There are no personal gods, just those who have gone before us, who are always ready to teach us and lead us to achieve our aims.
We are all part of the whole..the only way to have a relationship with God is to obey his commandments..

We are all Gods having a human experience..so if you believe there is God, you are right, if you dont..you are also right.

I watched the movie "lucy" yestersay again. I could not help but notice that the knowledge of the universe was given to a black man (morgan freeman) in the midst of other intellectuals.

Why the hell do we patronize the white man and his made up religious bull shit?

The funny thing about those who claim to believe in God is that they have zero knowledge of God. All they do here is to try and make sense of context of written words. They fail to realize that its all allegory and metaphorical.

The stories are all about the journey...from birth to death, that is the human experience. The journey from Egypt to the promise land..

The destination is given, not the journey. So God gave us his Torah to guide our choices...

Lifepodcastng:
Oh really? Do you think evolution had the answers to life

Life also involves events that happen by chance.

Dtruthspeaker:


The first Truth and the Highest Truth is that you and I and Everyone else Can Not Know and Can never Know how we were manufactured.

It is an impossibility because NONE of us made ourselves just like the phone in your hand can not know it's manufacturing processes.

I have issues with your tendency to self contradict here.

It is Only the Creator that can validly give us that information eg Steve Jobs and co would say "I used so so chips, plastics and wires to make you iPhone", chips and plastics do not make sense to the iPhone only the wires which it can see inside.

Bad analogy
This assumes that an iphone is sentient and capable of contemplating about it's existence and origins.

So also the use of "Dust" can not make any sense to you.

Funny enough it is even Proven that we come from dust in that when you die, THE BODY, BONES AND ALL INDEED TURN TO DUST.

So we may never have seen the beginning but surely we have seen that the end Proves the beginning.

By this reasoning, then even plants and animals are made from dust as they too decay and return to the earth when they die. Meaning nothing really special about humans here.

Dtruthspeaker:


As long as you did not create yourself, you really have no say when Some one Who is Not like you, Claims to have made you.

That is what it means to have never created yourself like the phone and cars never created themselves, THEY ARE NOT EVEN IN POSITION TO CONTEST OWNERSHIP!

Then the simple question here is who made us?
Among the hundreds of Gods that have made that assertion?

Why should I accept that's it's the Jewish God and not Prometheus?

If one can never know, then what's the point of debating and trying to convince others to your faith, since you too can never know?

I find myself neither believing nor disbelieving.

As I find myself in the camp of why should it matter?

Yes I have read the messages of Mohammed, I have also read the messages of Buddha, I’m a good follower of other teachings, yet I know Christ is all of life. I do not mix truth with lies. Yes the Bible is written in double entendres and the fact that you said ‘any religion can claim their book is written with double entendres’ means you lack the understanding of the Bible. You need to read it again, calm yourself down and throw away this sense of knowledge you think you have bc you know actually nothing. You should start with Genesis chapter one. And ask God to reveal the mystery of the book to you. Do you know the Bible talks about relativity of time? Do you know that the sun does not country time? Do you know that you’ve never seen darkness bc there’s always light everytime you have lived? Do you know there’s no such thing as tomorrow? All these are just some of the many things in the Bible. You’re very informed and that’s just a part of it. Information without knowledge is as useless as when a person is not informed. You need to calm your nerves down and learn what life is about. I have not asked you to be religious or attend some creepy church. I have only asked you to sit yourself down, throw away whatever pride or ego that you have and learn what the Bible is saying. See for yourself that the message are intact. Christ was passing a lot of information. The fact that you say there’s nothing special about it shows how ignorant of the truth of life you’re. Learn life and become above all this gimmicks you think you know

Hakeem12:
bro, there's nothing special about the message of Christ. I have read the bible back to back and the absurdity it contains is baffling, now let me ask you, any other religion can also claim their books are written in double entendres, proves nothing. Do you know the message of Muhammed? Every religion has a Messiah claiming a message, no prove that any of them is the way. Indoctrination will make one believe ones book holds a special message over the rest. Good night.

Chance? Oh I see. You and babalawo are the same then bc there’s really nothing like chance. Everything has a reason. Third law of motion. For every action there’s a reaction. Saying there’s something called chance is to say you have a reaction with no action. That’s meaningless. Whatever has no reason for existence is pointless in reality. I think Nigeria has turned you into a vegetative Being. People thinking it’s luck that’s making them suffer. Baba calm yourself down and learn what life is. There’s nothing like chance. It’s ignorance that makes mankind say something is chance. When you do not know the reason for something you’ll say it’s change or luck.

HellVictorinho:

Life also involves events that happen by chance.

Lifepodcastng:
Yes I have read the messages of Mohammed, I have also read the messages of Buddha, I’m a good follower of other teachings, yet I know Christ is all of life. I do not mix truth with lies. Yes the Bible is written in double entendres and the fact that you said ‘any religion can claim their book is written with double entendres’ means you lack the understanding of the Bible. You need to read it again, calm yourself down and throw away this sense of knowledge you think you have bc you know actually nothing. You should start with Genesis chapter one. And ask God to reveal the mystery of the book to you. Do you know the Bible talks about relativity of time? Do you know that the sun does not country time? Do you know that you’ve never seen darkness bc there’s always light everytime you have lived? Do you know there’s no such thing as tomorrow? All these are just some of the many things in the Bible. You’re very informed and that’s just a part of it. Information without knowledge is as useless as when a person is not informed. You need to calm your nerves down and learn what life is about. I have not asked you to be religious or attend some creepy church. I have only asked you to sit yourself down, throw away whatever pride or ego that you have and learn what the Bible is saying. See for yourself that the message are intact. Christ was passing a lot of information. The fact that you say there’s nothing special about it shows how ignorant of the truth of life you’re. Learn life and become above all this gimmicks you think you know

All the best

DeusXmachina:

Then the simple question here is who made us?
Among the hundreds of Gods that have made that assertion?

Why should I accept that's it's the Jewish God and not Prometheus?

If one can never know, then what's the point of debating and trying to convince others to your faith, since you too can never know?

For One, I Compell no one to Accept The God, Who is God of All, as He Himself compells no one. You will have to make that choice, unfettered and unhindered by yourself.

2) We have been given the ability to know, discern, discover and uncover that which is True, while I have used it to find The Truth that is True, many do not use it therefore, they never know. But I am Absolutely Certain because I strive to find the Truth as the Ground under my feet and the sky high above my head.

3) Who made us? It is as clear as day and night and you already know the answer.

The Real Question You Asked is "Who are those Laying Claims to the Ownership of Us?" And this is where if you saw and knew and understood many things (which I think you do, you would have already eliminated them all), you have seen for yourself that all of them are Liars and have No Claim over you Except The True Owner, whom you have already heard about!

And let me leave you with one Wisdom, The phone in your hand, if 1000 or even 1Million of us in Nairaland lay claim to it, would it affect anything?

Therein lies the answer!

DeusXmachina:

I have issues with your tendency to self contradict here.

There is no Contradiction here for SURELY, you would have pointed it out.

DeusXmachina:

Bad analogy
This assumes that an iphone is sentient and capable of contemplating about it's existence and origins.

The Only Advantage you have over your phone is that You Have Been Given Permissions, what you call Rights and the phone which you made Under that Permissions Granted you, you chose not to give it Rights!

But you are Both Creations!

DeusXmachina:

By this reasoning, then even plants and animals are made from dust as they too decay and return to the earth when they die. Meaning nothing really special about humans here.

Yes, This is True!.
Man thinks too highly of himself and greatly overestimates himself!.

Everything on earth, comes from the earth and Returns to it as we have seen, Exactly What He Who is God, hath Said!

Lifepodcastng:
Chance? Oh I see. You and babalawo are the same then bc there’s really nothing like chance. Everything has a reason. Third law of motion. For every action there’s a reaction. Saying there’s something called chance is to say you have a reaction with no action. That’s meaningless. Whatever has no reason for existence is pointless in reality. I think Nigeria has turned you into a vegetative Being. People thinking it’s luck that’s making them suffer. Baba calm yourself down and learn what life is. There’s nothing like chance. It’s ignorance that makes mankind say something is chance. When you do not know the reason for something you’ll say it’s change or luck.

It's something worse than ignorance that makes you say there's nothing like chance.
Besides,how does the third law of motion apply to what I'm saying

Dtruthspeaker:


For One, I Compell no one to Accept The God, Who is God of All, as He Himself compells no one. You will have to make that choice, unfettered and unhindered by yourself.

Ok, but you can not deny you desire a world where everyone shares your faith.

2) We have been given the ability to know, discern, discover and uncover that which is True, while I have used it to find The Truth that is True, many do not use it therefore, they never know. But I am Absolutely Certain because I strive to find the Truth as the Ground under my feet and the sky high above my head.

Part of why I said you self contradict. In the previous post
"We can never know"
But now you make the assertion that we have the ability to find the truth.

3) Who made us? It is as clear as day and night and you already know the answer.

The Real Question You Asked is "Who are those Laying Claims to the Ownership of Us?" And this is where if you saw and knew and understood many things (which I think you do, you would have already eliminated them all), you have seen for yourself that all of them are Liars and have No Claim over you Except The True Owner, whom you have already heard about!

You are making an assumption and projecting here. I don't have any sense of who made us, neither do I feel we were ever made.

"Who are those Laying Claims to the Ownership of Us? if you saw and knew and understood many things (which I think you do, you would have already eliminated them all)"
All seem to be false, stories made by people, cultures to make sense of the world and to give themselves a place in it.
And that's why I don't hold any deity from any faith to be true or real.
Note: I'm not saying no deity exists, I'm saying that if a deity exists it's probably not the one described by most faiths.

And let me leave you with one Wisdom, The phone in your hand, if 1000 or even 1Million of us in Nairaland lay claim to it, would it affect anything?

Therein lies the answer!

Well it would affect it's monetary value, and I will probably sell to the highest bidder. Jk

That would mean everyone is either lying, or everyone is telling the truth (which is unlikely).
But we can go through a process of elimination and have people making these claims to provide the purchase receipt, describe the device in detail, or present it's serial number. Something along these lines.

You all should be aware you already ruined the purpose of this thread thank you,it was never about the arguments , the arguments are not related to the question at all guys .please

Funny thread..
All I know is that no matter how much we think we know, we don't actually know anything.....
Like someone said, God is consciousness, so whether u believe in its existence or not, you are actually right..
Have a nice day

chocboi78:
Funny thread..
All I know is that no matter how much we think we know, we don't actually know anything.....
Like someone said, God is consciousness, so whether u believe in its existence or not, you are actually right..
Have a nice day

What is consciousness??

HellVictorinho:

What is consciousness??

I believe it's a English word, look it up

chocboi78:
I believe it's a English word, look it up

Well, consciousness is the quality of being aware of anything or being exposed to anything.
Therefore,it is not something that literally goes in or comes out.
Ultimately, it's impossible for the universe to be conscious since the universe cannot be aware of anything.

DeusXmachina:

Ok, but you can not deny you desire a world where everyone shares your faith.

Faith means knowledge, so I would like them to share my Love For The Goods which was at the Beginning of this world and my HATRED FOR WICKEDNESS AND WRONGDOING AND EVIL WHICH CAME TO DESTROY IT AND HAS SUCCESSFULLY DESTROYED THIS LOVELY HOUSE we were put into.

And it is only consequencial that when The Owner of this House comes to see it destroyed, He Must hold those who contributed to the Destruction Accountable.

DeusXmachina:

Part of why I said you self contradict. In the previous post
"We can never know"
But now you make the assertion that we have the ability to find the truth.

Is it not the answers I supplied to 2 different issues raised
1) Knowledge of the Truth of our manufacturing.
2) "Among the hundreds of God's how do we know which of them is the True God?".

Hence, 2 different questions therefore 2 different answers must be supplied!

DeusXmachina:

You are making an assumption and projecting here. I don't have any sense of who made us, neither do I feel we were ever made.

I will not push this further but I am satisfied to know that like me and every other person out there, you did not make yourself and we already know how you got here.

DeusXmachina:

All seem to be false, stories made by people, cultures to make sense of the world and to give themselves a place in it.

Good you Truthfully said "Seem" which clearly shows that your enquiry is not certain and conclusive, but I will not press any further.

DeusXmachina:

And that's why I don't hold any deity from any faith to be true or real.
Note: I'm not saying no deity exists, I'm saying that if a deity exists it's probably not the one described by most faiths.

To hold or Refusal to Hold is One Of the Permissions/Rights granted you and no one can take it from you (if you let them that is) but I will not even attempt to interfere with it for I am a lover of Permissions/Rights!

DeusXmachina:

Well it would affect it's monetary value, and I will probably sell to the highest bidder. Jk

That would mean everyone is either lying, or everyone is telling the truth (which is unlikely).
But we can go through a process of elimination and have people making these claims to provide the purchase receipt, describe the device in detail, or present it's serial number. Something along these lines.

You obviously did not understand my question. "Laying Claim" means dragging ownership of the phone with you!

I wonder if your answer would be different from this one up there but be that as it may, I have seen and fought for many many people nearly and almost lost their own possessions, so again if the weight of the point is lost, Its lost and I can move on unlost!

HellVictorinho:

Well, consciousness is the quality of being aware of anything or being exposed to anything.
Therefore,it is not something that literally goes in or comes out.
Ultimately, it's impossible for the universe to be conscious since the universe cannot be aware of anything.

does the universe constitute "God" or made by "God?

TheSourcerer:
You all should be aware you already ruined the purpose of this thread thank you,it was never about the arguments , the arguments are not related to the question at all guys .please

Not to worry people are hungry for that which is True and the posts here provoke the need for light but also darkness too must come to spoil things.

Thank God, That He has said in the New World, Darkness would be expunged only Light and Truth will Remain. Thank you Lord!

TheSourcerer:
which God? It's just that words like 'God ' and ' Lord' are just TITLES
I'm sorry it's just Capitalization of the first G in god doesn't diffrenciate your god from 3800+ gods ,who also have their'Gods' name capitalized in their languages too ,

Which means, I still have the right to believe in whom I believe in, abi?

TheSourcerer:
Yes Religion provides an answer to our reason for existence
But that is only one answer admits hundreds others
But thinking your whole life should be indebted to the worship of a Creator , is not logically the best choice admits other logical ,modern in fact I dare say factual reason for our existence.

Again kind sir why do you still believe in God?

Darn, you no dey taya, lol.

UndauntedYOCA:

Which means, I still have the right to believe in whom I believe in, abi?

of course but which one?

chocboi78:
does the universe constitute "God" or made by "God?

The universe constitutes different things that just exist.

HellVictorinho:

The universe constitutes different things that just exist.

question is still unanswered tho