ascendo:


For my car, Hyundai Tucson 2020 model, for my temperature range...0-50 degrees Celsius, the manufacturer recommends 20W50

Read what it says about hot weather and the prevailing operating temperatures

ascendo:


Read what it says about hot weather and the prevailing operating temperatures

But you use 20w50 for your 2016 camry now , when the manual states 0w20.. I stated that to you , your reply was u don't need to read any manual etc ......but you are willing to read manual for your 2020 Tucson Abi....

If you are willing to follow manufacturers advice on ur tucson ,why not do the same on ur camry ?

Oga, one thing I need to point to you ..not all cars are built the same ,not all engine are built the same.. Some cars are more sensitive than others etc .. Some engines last better than others and built even better... so you can't treat all cars the same etc .......

Example.....when Infinity fx45 came out , people were going crazy etc people loved the car etc .. After sometimes people were complaining that car breaks maintenance is high etc.. You can't abuse those cars like you do other cars like Toyota.... People can't maintain cars. Same with Acura cars ,you can't abuse them anyhow..

Honda civic transmission needs special ATF made ,anything else will damage the transmission ,it might not be immediately ,but overtime it will get damage.....

Bottom line, owners should always read car manual especially when it comes to engine and transmission, other parts of the car you might be able to comprise a bit .......


Just because 2021 car uses 20w50 ,does not mean all cars will use the samething....let's read to understand

dru23:



But you use 20w50 for your 2016 camry now , when the manual states 0w20.. I stated that to you , your reply was u don't need to read any manual etc ......but you are willing to read manual for your 2020 Tucson Abi....

If you are willing to follow manufacturers advice on ur tucson ,why not do the same on ur camry ?

Oga, one thing I need to point to you ..not all cars are built the same ,not all engine are built the same.. Some cars are more sensitive than others etc .. Some engines last better than others and built even better... so you can't treat all cars the same etc .......

Example.....when Infinity fx45 came out , people were going crazy etc people loved the car etc .. After sometimes people were complaining that car breaks maintenance is high etc.. You can't abuse those cars like you do other cars like Toyota.... People can't maintain cars. Same with Acura cars ,you can't abuse them anyhow..

Honda civic transmission needs special ATF made ,anything else will damage the transmission ,it might not be immediately ,but overtime it will get damage.....

Bottom line, owners should always read car manual especially when it comes to engine and transmission, other parts of the car you might be able to comprise a bit .......


Just because 2021 car uses 20w50 ,does not mean all cars will use the samething....let's read to understand

Do you want the manual of the 2016 Camry too?

Toyota products from SA recommends 20W50 through out and SA service African markets.

ascendo:


Do you want the manual of the 2016 Camry too?

Toyota products from SA recommends 20W50 through out and SA service African markets.

Bros, Bros, Bros, how many times did I call you bros? You want to compare Toyota Camry built in SA to the USA built cars etc bros you want fall my hand.....

Another example, Hyundai elantra 07 built in India that coscharis brings, are less inferior than the ones built in the USA...bros ,bros, don't make a mockery of yourself o......


Let's us be fair here, 60% of cars that are shipped to Nigeria come from the USA ,that 60% is me just been conservative.... That been said , the manufacturer of those cars have taken into consideration weather conditions, we have states that are hotter than Nigerian weather or have similar weather patterns, those things the manufacturer will consider before making a car ...


You can't never compare Toyota cars built in SA to USA ...let's us stop this back and fourth.. How many are buying Toyota cars built in SA ? How many do you see on the road..... Lol bro either way owners should follow car manual .......



Modify : Kindly go to ladipo compare Toyota parts from South Africa, Japan , and the USA. ......compare prices and tell me why the prices are different...... Lol

ascendo:


For my car, Hyundai Tucson 2020 model, for my temperature range...0-50 degrees Celsius, the manufacturer recommends 20W50

Now your 2020 Tucson was not built in the USA .. It has a different type engine.. The USA version, which is likely a better version has built in GTi engine..... Pics below sir ..I know this is confusing sir , but if you relax abit you understand..

Those cars u mention are not built in the USA and they have different type of engine.. It is important again to read owners manual .....

GforGee:


Hi, please what's your car make/model and what does the manufacturer say about the engine oil?

His Hyundai was not built in the USA .. His version and the USA have different engine . The USA version has a GTi engine... Unfortunately the guy thinks are cars are built the same ..... The USA version will always be superior than other version..... This is why is always important to read owners manual .. The USA version will cost more in the market

dru23:



Bros, Bros, Bros, how many times did I call you bros? You want to compare Toyota Camry built in SA to the USA built cars etc bros you want fall my hand.....

Another example, Hyundai elantra 07 built in India that coscharis brings, are less inferior than the ones built in the USA...bros ,bros, don't make a mockery of yourself o......


Let's us be fair here, 60% of cars that are shipped to Nigeria come from the USA ,that 60% is me just been conservative.... That been said , the manufacturer of those cars have taken into consideration weather conditions, we have states that are hotter than Nigerian weather or have similar weather patterns, those things the manufacturer will consider before making a car ...


You can't never compare Toyota cars built in SA to USA ...let's us stop this back and fourth.. How many are buying Toyota cars built in SA ? How many do you see on the road..... Lol bro either way owners should follow car manual .......



Modify : Kindly go to ladipo compare Toyota parts from South Africa, Japan , and the USA. ......compare prices and tell me why the prices are different...... Lol

In all these, remember that cars from USA are American specs... it get why!

The orifices for oil passages are same design. Most engines SA use are from Japan which I know quite well. Most parts in Toyota USA are from DENSO...same Denso whose hqtrs is in Japan.

In all these, the flowability at low temperature is very important. The cars should be able to start even at minus 20 degrees.

There is an equipment we call COLD CRANKING SIMULATOR... Marine lubes we blend here in Naija must pass its test as well as pour point test for -35 degrees C.


My last statement on this thread: I appreciate what you do. We must hustle and all is gonna be fine. But if you do mini importation of lubes into the country, you can advertise your lubes without condemning our 20W50. Who knows, you might get to the extent that you have a technical partnership with the Lube manufacturers abroad, you might establish a Plant here. How will you feel if someone tells you that what you produce is rubbish when you have invested in raw material, equipment and staff to produce the best?

Think about it

ascendo:


In all these, remember that cars from USA are American specs... it get why!

The orifices for oil passages are same design. Most engines SA use are from Japan which I know quite well. Most parts in Toyota USA are from DENSO...same Denso whose hqtrs is in Japan.

In all these, the flowability at low temperature is very important. The cars should be able to start even at minus 20 degrees.

There is an equipment we call COLD CRANKING SIMULATOR... Marine lubes we blend here in Naija must pass its test as well as pour point test for -35 degrees C.


My last statement on this thread: I appreciate what you do. We must hustle and all is gonna be fine. But if you do mini importation of lubes into the country, you can advertise your lubes without condemning our 20W50. Who knows, you might get to the extent that you have a technical partnership with the Lube manufacturers abroad, you might establish a Plant here. How will you feel if someone tells you that what you produce is rubbish when you have invested in raw material, equipment and staff to produce the best?

Think about it

Hmmmm

ascendo:


In all these, remember that cars from USA are American specs... it get why!

The orifices for oil passages are same design. Most engines SA use are from Japan which I know quite well. Most parts in Toyota USA are from DENSO...same Denso whose hqtrs is in Japan.

In all these, the flowability at low temperature is very important. The cars should be able to start even at minus 20 degrees.

There is an equipment we call COLD CRANKING SIMULATOR... Marine lubes we blend here in Naija must pass its test as well as pour point test for -35 degrees C.


My last statement on this thread: I appreciate what you do. We must hustle and all is gonna be fine. But if you do mini importation of lubes into the country, you can advertise your lubes without condemning our 20W50. Who knows, you might get to the extent that you have a technical partnership with the Lube manufacturers abroad, you might establish a Plant here. How will you feel if someone tells you that what you produce is rubbish when you have invested in raw material, equipment and staff to produce the best?

Think about it

Am not here to condemn any oil . Again majority of the cars in Nigeria are from the USA , 20w50 engine is not common with USA cars anymore.. The most common oil is 5w30 and car engines are now moving to thinner oil like 0w20 .. These are all facts..... When u talk about the car running tempt.....Texas, Arizona, Las Vegas etc do have the same temperature as Nigeria, so we can't use Nigeria temperature as an excuse to use 20w50.....

As I mentioned to you ,the cars u mention that are built in SA do not have the same engine as the USA spec.. The USA are built better and have better option .. They are much safer and built safer due to the USA strict crash test, other countries don't have that strict crash safety requirements as the USA.. So these cars will cost more ,compare to cars from SA or cars built for African market...

There is a reason why parts of these cars cost much.. Bottom line is owners should read their manual at all times, if it is written in the manual of any particular car that 20w50 is ok to use , than am fine with that .. But if does not state so I advice against it. .. ..

In reality 20w50 sells more than other oil ,it is cheap for a reason..... ..

Na wa o

I wonder why this ascendo guy is just arguing... Manufacturer has told you what to use, just use it. They know better than you do.

Look at the manual photo you posted, you can clearly see the "for middle east" and "for Europe" designations. Those engines are not the same.

Car manufacturers build different engines for different markets. It would be wise to just follow the recommended fluids for your car.

ascendo:


For my car, Hyundai Tucson 2020 model, for my temperature range...0-50 degrees Celsius, the manufacturer recommends 20W50

Since you are following the owners manual (even snapping to show it), then there's no argument with you �

dru23:


His Hyundai was not built in the USA .. His version and the USA have different engine . The USA version has a GTi engine... Unfortunately the guy thinks are cars are built the same ..... The USA version will always be superior than other version..... This is why is always important to read owners manual .. The USA version will cost more in the market

Well, you can force a horse to the river, but not to drink. He has made a decision from his manual, I think we should leave him be.
Others might learn from you, but he won't

GforGee:

Well, you can force a horse to the river, but not to drink. He has made a decision from his manual, I think we should leave him be.
Others might learn from you, but he won't

I think he is bit confuse , which is understandable , is 2020 Tucson is not built for the USA market and 20w50 can be used.. So I guess he thinks that applies to all Tucson......

So the USA Tucson as a totally different engine 2.0gdi and 2.4gdi , I didn't even know that until I read the owners manual ..

I think his own tucson uses different transmission fluid from the USA version..... Unfortunately those cars built for the African market tend not to have the same quality as the USA built..... Elantra built for African market has a 1.6liter engine and the USA version has a 2.0liter engine .. African built engine version don't last too long and they cheaper in the market.. I can go on and on .....


Another example... some Benz built or assemble for the USA market will tend to have recalls due to the point that those parts are coming from different countries .....

But the Benz built in Germany are better built and last longer and will have less issues than the USA counter part.. Same with some Japanese cars ..... All these stuff didn't make sense until an I read an article about it years ago and it made perfect sense ....but if u don't read u won't know

GforGee:

Since you are following the owners manual (even snapping to show it), then there's no argument with you �

He feels that it applies to all Tucson built.... Just because it apples for is own car ,does not mean it will apply to others unless you read owners manual .........

dru23:


I think he is bit confuse , which is understandable , is 2020 Tucson is not built for the USA market and 20w50 can be used.. So I guess he thinks that applies to all Tucson......

So the USA Tucson as a totally different engine 2.0gdi and 2.4gdi , I didn't even know that until I read the owners manual ..

I think his own tucson uses different transmission fluid from the USA version..... Unfortunately those cars built for the African market tend not to have the same quality as the USA built..... Elantra built for African market has a 1.6liter engine and the USA version has a 2.0liter engine .. African built engine version don't last too long and they cheaper in the market.. I can go on and on .....


Another example... some Benz built or assemble for the USA market will tend to have recalls due to the point that those parts are coming from different countries .....

But the Benz built in Germany are better built and last longer and will have less issues than the USA counter part.. Same with some Japanese cars ..... All these stuff didn't make sense until an I read an article about it years ago and it made perfect sense ....but if u don't read u won't know

Well, he may not be in the car business like you. You have a broader knowledge because you engage in a business that makes you learn and know more about cars.

radautoworks:
Na wa o

His car was built for the African market and 20w50 is allowed .. So he thinks that applies to all tucson, but the USA version and SA have different engine ,USA has a GTi 2.0 and 2.4 ,while the SA or African version has a 1.6liter Mpi ....

dru23:


I think he is bit confuse , which is understandable , is 2020 Tucson is not built for the USA market and 20w50 can be used.. So I guess he thinks that applies to all Tucson......

So the USA Tucson as a totally different engine 2.0gdi and 2.4gdi , I didn't even know that until I read the owners manual ..

I think his own tucson uses different transmission fluid from the USA version..... Unfortunately those cars built for the African market tend not to have the same quality as the USA built..... Elantra built for African market has a 1.6liter engine and the USA version has a 2.0liter engine .. African built engine version don't last too long and they cheaper in the market.. I can go on and on .....


Another example... some Benz built or assemble for the USA market will tend to have recalls due to the point that those parts are coming from different countries .....

But the Benz built in Germany are better built and last longer and will have less issues than the USA counter part.. Same with some Japanese cars ..... All these stuff didn't make sense until an I read an article about it years ago and it made perfect sense ....but if u don't read u won't know

Actually they are more expensive than their USA counterpart.

GforGee:

Well, he may not be in the car business like you. You have a broader knowledge because you engage in a business that makes you learn and know more about cars.

Am not a car expert or mechanic, but I know is basic and common sense things... am sure he knows more than me in other area of things.. And I once imported car parts from Japan early 2000 .... And uber business will teach you a lot of things along the line ....I don't claim to know it all ,but if what u telling does not make sense ,I research it to verify

chillex8:

Actually they are more expensive than their USA counterpart.

From experince I totally disagree, we can agree to disagree .......

When we talk parts here we talking about parts that is in high demand for the Nigeria market .. Which is the Japanese parts....to make you laugh small , you will not see an Igbo man going to South African to load container for parts ..lol.


Must parts come from Japan for Japanese cars and the USA too.. Parts from Japan are more expensive than parts in the USA for the same car .. Same engine you buy in USA will cost u more in Japan ... the reason is that the Japanese don't drive their cars for too long and they tend to replace their cars more often, meaning that those engines will have low miles and importantly they are built in Japan ......

If you go ladipo now now , and you want to buy shocks for example they will bring you Japan shocks ,USA shocks and China shocks... the Japanese shocks will cost more ,based on the fact that those shocks are not as badly used as the USA shocks .....I use to import car parts from Japan early 2000 , I did it once and it was a tough market ,tough business.......

If you bring a camry from SA and the one from USA ,which one do u think will go faster ? Same year make and model .....am sure u know the answer to that .. Go and load 40ft container of Japanese cars parts from SA and make I load the same for USA , which one u think will move faster, forget about engine self ,cause those SA engines are different from the Yankee ones .. Yankee are stronger..... Lol

dru23:


From experince I totally disagree, we can agree to disagree .......

When we talk parts here we talking about parts that is in high demand for the Nigeria market .. Which is the Japanese parts....to make you laugh small , you will not see an Igbo man going to South African to load container for parts ..lol.


Must parts come from Japan for Japanese cars.. Parts from Japan are more expensive than parts in the USA for the same car .. Same engine you buy in USA will cost u more in Japan ... the reason is that the Japanese don't drive their cars for too long and they tend to replace their cars more often, meaning that those engines will have low miles and importantly they are built in Japan ......

If you go ladipo now now , and you want to buy shocks for example they will bring you Japan shocks ,USA shocks and China shocks... the Japanese shocks will cost more ,based on the fact that those shocks are not as badly used as the USA shocks .....I use to import car parts from Japan early 2000 , I did it once and it was a tough market ,tough business.......

If you bring a camry from SA and the one from USA ,which one do u think will go faster ? Same year make and model .....am sure u know the answer to that .. Go and load 40ft container of Japanese cars parts from SA and make I load the same for USA , which one u think will move faster, forget about engine self ,cause those SA engines are different from the Yankee ones .. Yankee are stronger..... Lol

Perhaps you misunderstood my post.
I reiterate that, the engines of the African built/spec Elantra( 1.6L motor) is more expensive than its USA spec (2.0L motor).

P.S By saying African built, I am assuming you mean the ones sold at dealerships in Africa as "Brand New".

dru23:


From experince I totally disagree, we can agree to disagree .......

When we talk parts here we talking about parts that is in high demand for the Nigeria market .. Which is the Japanese parts....to make you laugh small , you will not see an Igbo man going to South African to load container for parts ..lol.


Must parts come from Japan for Japanese cars and the USA too.. Parts from Japan are more expensive than parts in the USA for the same car .. Same engine you buy in USA will cost u more in Japan ... the reason is that the Japanese don't drive their cars for too long and they tend to replace their cars more often, meaning that those engines will have low miles and importantly they are built in Japan ......

If you go ladipo now now , and you want to buy shocks for example they will bring you Japan shocks ,USA shocks and China shocks... the Japanese shocks will cost more ,based on the fact that those shocks are not as badly used as the USA shocks .....I use to import car parts from Japan early 2000 , I did it once and it was a tough market ,tough business.......

If you bring a camry from SA and the one from USA ,which one do u think will go faster ? Same year make and model .....am sure u know the answer to that .. Go and load 40ft container of Japanese cars parts from SA and make I load the same for USA , which one u think will move faster, forget about engine self ,cause those SA engines are different from the Yankee ones .. Yankee are stronger..... Lol

Could be one of the reasons why African built/spec parts (engine) are more expensive than their USA counterparts.

chillex8:

Could be one of the reasons why African built/spec parts (engine) are more expensive than their USA counterparts.

For elantra engine ,the African built are the worse ones.. They are more cheaper than the USA built ..USA elantra engines are 2.0liter and the ones built for African market are 1.6liter .... 2.0liter is stronger ... I will call my elantra part dealer and let u known.... Elantra or Hyundai are built in India for the African market

dru23:


For elantra engine ,the African built are the worse ones.. They are more cheaper than the USA built ..USA elantra engines are 2.0liter and the ones built for African market are 1.6liter .... 2.0liter is stronger ... I will call my elantra part dealer and let u known....

2.0 is stronger probably cos it has few add-ons to the engine management system, but 1.6L is a fuel repellent .
You will be surprised.

chillex8:

Could be one of the reasons why African built/spec parts (engine) are more expensive than their USA counterparts.

There are not expensive at all .. There is no demand for them

chillex8:

2.0 is stronger probably cos it has few add-ons to the engine management system, but 1.6L is a fuel repellent .
You will be surprised.

Do u want to bet ....1.6L is junk and cheap.. They do not last at all .. We can 10k naira if u want

dru23:


Do u want to bet ....1.6L is junk and cheap.. They do not last at all .. We can 10k naira if u want

I accept your challenge.

chillex8:

2.0 is stronger probably cos it has few add-ons to the engine management system, but 1.6L is a fuel repellent .
You will be surprised.

Keep in mind the Elantra was design to compete with Corolla, in terms of fuel and durability there is not much difference in the two ..

chillex8:

I accept your challenge.

No problem.... So the challenge here is dru23 says that the Elantra engine 2.0liter engine is more expensive and built better than the 1.6liter engine that was built for the African market..... So we agree now that is what the challenge about.....

0803 378 8932 this number is Mr.Okeye in ladipo he deals with Hyundai parts only, anything korea cars he has it .... So you can call him .....

chillex8:

I accept your challenge.

Deal .....

dru23:


Keep in mind the Elantra was design to compete with Corolla, in terms of fuel and durability there is not much difference in the two ..

Very correct but that doesn't alter the fact that a 1.6L Elantra will burn less fuel than its 2.0L US counterpart. But that's aside.

dru23:



No problem.... So the challenge here is dru23 says that the Elantra engine 2.0liter engine is more expensive and built better than the 1.6liter engine that was built for the African market..... So we agree now that is what the challenge about.....

0803 378 8932 this number is Mr.Okeye in ladipo he deals with Hyundai parts only, anything korea cars he has it .... So you can call him .....

That's the challenge.
Pics 1 & 2 - 1.6L motor
Pics 3 & 4- 2.0L motor